laws of thermodynamic broked or not ?

[isbman]

To break one mole of water 285 KJ of energy is required , Go figure how much is released in burning one?

Through electricity we will have to give more energy to water per mole than it will release. Why use water then? WHy can't simply run the car on batteries This is insane.

their are hundreds of us patent awarded to inverters check this file link. www.[B]free[/B]-energy-info.co.uk/Appendix3.pdf

Andrija Puharich, Stanley Meyer also got many us patents regarding water electrolysis with efficiency more than 100%. us patent office thoroughly checked their devices.

Do, you think that all those inventors were fake. and us patent office didn't check their devices and issued the patents for their claim of over 100% efficiency.

Don't tell me that they were involved in frauds. they were declared fruads by the pressure of their governements and oil mafia. many of the inventors mentioned in pdf documents were not involved in any fraud.

 

[jee_nee_us]

their are hundreds of us patent awarded to inverters check this file link. www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Appendix3.pdf

Andrija Puharich, Stanley Meyer also got many us patents regarding water electrolysis with efficiency more than 100%. us patent office thoroughly checked their devices.

Do, you think that all those inventors were fake. and us patent office didn't check their devices and issued the patents for their claim of over 100% efficiency.

Don't tell me that they were involved in frauds. they were declared fruads by the pressure of their governements and oil mafia. many of the inventors mentioned in pdf documents were not involved in any fraud.

Give me one perpetual machine that ever worked?

Or can you prove a mole of hydrogen can produce more energy than breaking it? If yes you won't even need water. Intertia will produce electricity forever.

 

[lurker]

their are hundreds of us patent awarded to inverters check this file link. www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Appendix3.pdf
Andrija Puharich, Stanley Meyer also got many us patents regarding water electrolysis with efficiency more than 100%. us patent office thoroughly checked their devices.
Do, you think that all those inventors were fake. and us patent office didn't check their devices and issued the patents for their claim of over 100% efficiency.
Don't tell me that they were involved in frauds. they were declared fruads by the pressure of their governements and oil mafia. many of the inventors mentioned in pdf documents were not involved in any fraud.

Stanley Meyer's has several patents. The US Patent Office does not verify if a patent really works. It can be awarded even if you never actually MAKE something. And I have worked in the patent office. The US Patent Office is NOT an authority on science and technology. What happens is that when you have a scientific breakthrough you publish your findings in peer reviewed scientific journals. Stanley Meyer did nothing of the sort. His "water fuel cell" was later examined by three expert witnesses in court who found that there "was nothing revolutionary about the cell at all and that it was simply using conventional electrolysis." The court found Meyer guilty of "gross and egregious fraud" and ordered him to repay the two investors their $25,000.

Similarly wasn't Agha Waqar also held for other criminal charges? You notice a pattern here? All these "Free" Energy people end up in world courts and are found guilty of investor fraud. You are jumping around claiming free energy, but refuse to see the elephant in the room. lol. Are you Agha Waqar yourself? LOL.

 

[isbman]

Electret is the material which can produce electric charge for hundreds of years without any input. and also it is also used in microphone and other devices. this also break the law of thermodynamic. now what will you say ?

check those wikipedia links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret

"An electret is a stable dielectric material with a quasi-permanently embedded static electric charge (which, due to the high resistance of the material, will not decay for time periods of up to hundreds of years) and/or a quasi-permanently oriented dipole polarization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electret_microphone

"An electret microphone is a type of condenser microphone, which eliminates the need for a polarizing power supply by using a permanently charged material."

 

[lurker]

Electrets do not produce electric charge. They semi-permanently retain a static electric charge. And the charges that you do say are "Produced" are "Captured" EM waves that are all around us.

 

[isbman]

Electrets do not produce electric charge. They semi-permanently retain a static electric charge. And the charges that you do say are "Produced" are "Captured" EM waves that are all around us.

the same apply to many free energy devices which capture the energy from the environment and add additional energy to the device and then device output is much more than input.

many free energy devices used high frequency pulses to switch on and off the coils. during off position coils get energy of Electromagnet waves from envoirnment which is called Back-EMF. and that energy is added to the device.

 

[lurker]

the same apply to many free energy devices which capture the energy from the environment and add additional energy to the device and then device output is much more than input.

many free energy devices used high frequency pulses to switch on and off the coils. during off position coils get energy of Electromagnet waves from envoirnment which is called Back-EMF. and that energy is added to the device.

All energy is captured from the environment. Oil is in the environment. Wind is in the environment. Water is in the environment. These are still not considered "FREE" Energy. You have to be able to explain WHERE are you getting your excess energy from. In Excess of 100% efficiency. The device Output is NEVER going to be more than the Total Input because you are not counting the Energy input from the environment. You are only counting the input from whatever fuel you are burning or used to Store the energy. It's like having a Gasoline + Solar Car. You STILL don't reach even close to 100% efficiency with both combined. Not even 40%.

 

[isbman]

I am saying about the magnetic field of earth or magnet which can add energy to the device. i am not saying about oil, gas or fuel.
if our devices capture the magnetic field which is free for us than the output will be more than the paid input.

normal devices
input (100 w) ----> process -----> output (<100 w)

special free energy devices
input (100 w) + environmental energy (100 w) ----> process -----> output (140w~180w)
input (100 w) + environmental energy (200 w) ----> process -----> output (240w~280w)
input (100 w) + environmental energy (500 w) ----> process -----> output (540w~580w).

so looking to total input+environmental energy output will be less than 100%
But if environmental energy is free than we don't count it. if we count only the input 100 w which we pay than the output is more than what we pay. paid input energy 100w is just used to capture the free environmental energy. and free environmnetal energy is added to output.
as a result we get more energy output than we pay as input.

for example we don't pay continuously for wind, water and solar energy which is captured free. off course we pay first time for the device but that is only one time investment.
the same is applied on free energy devices which capture the free magmatic field or other free available energy from the environment.

i think you understand my point of view.

 

[lurker]

I am saying about the magnetic field of earth or magnet which can add energy to the device. i am not saying about oil, gas or fuel.
if our devices capture the magnetic field which is free for us than the output will be more than the paid input.

normal devices
input (100 w) ----> process -----> output (<100 w)

special free energy devices
input (100 w) + environmental energy (100 w) ----> process -----> output (140w~180w)
input (100 w) + environmental energy (200 w) ----> process -----> output (240w~280w)
input (100 w) + environmental energy (500 w) ----> process -----> output (540w~580w).

so looking to total input+environmental energy output will be less than 100%
But if environmental energy is free than we don't count it. if we count only the input 100 w which we pay than the output is more than what we pay. paid input energy 100w is just used to capture the free environmental energy. and free environmnetal energy is added to output.
as a result we get more energy output than we pay as input.

for example we don't pay continuously for wind, water and solar energy which is captured free. off course we pay first time for the device but that is only one time investment.
the same is applied on free energy devices which capture the free magmatic field or other free available energy from the environment.

i think you understand my point of view.

Your efficiency is still very high. Which I doubt. You do not pay Continuously for Wind power, but it does not come to you continuously either. Similarly for Water and Solar. I can give you a really good example. Geothermal Power stations function in a very similar fashion and infact operate at very minimal input. They use Energy from the Earth's core to heat water to steam which they use to turn turbines to produce electricity. You can even say the input is negligible compared to the output produced. However this is not considered FREE perpetual energy. And the Thermodynamic laws still hold because you are never able to extract even near 100% energy from the steam. And the energy may seem free to you, but in actual fact it is not. It is the Earth's finite energy. Some of it is renewed due to radioactive decay. There are geothermal wells that have lost heat capacity over the years. Drilling costs are very high making initial investment very big.

In the Geothermal case you may use only a couple Kilowatts for powering pumps to send water down one borehole and sometimes if you have natural aquifer you don't even need that. You get steam from the other borehole. The result would be like your example. But that is not how we calculate efficiency of a Power generator. You have to calculate the input energy of the Steam and the output of the Generator.

There is another aspect of Geothermal that is being currently researched. It is the electrolysis of Steam. The hydrogen released would actually have MORE energy than the energy expended to separate Steam. But this does not break the thermodynamic Laws because when you take into account the energy used by the Earth to make the steam and the energy used by you to Separate hydrogen from the steam it all falls into place and the output is again LESS than the total input energy.

Free Energy by definition is "Free" energy. There should be No Input and only output and it should be perpetual. Perpetual means forever until the device breaks.

 

[Omar.]

Today I drank one cup of coffee and peed two cups of piss.
LAW OF FLUID DYNAMICS IS BROKENED.

 

[lurker]

Today I drank one cup of coffee and peed two cups of piss.
LAW OF FLUID DYNAMICS IS BROKENED.

You've done it! Give this man a Nobel Prize! (clap)