laws of thermodynamic broked or not ?

[isbman]

EXAMPLE NO. 1

YOU EAT 1 SLICE BREAD IN BREAKFAST AND DO WORK ALL THE DAY. YOUR OUTPUT IS MORE THAN INPUT. IS LAW OF THERMODYNAMIC IS BROKEN ?
WHILE THAT WAS A JOKE BUT LOOK THE SECOND EXAMPLE BELOW.

EXAMPLE NO. 2

OIL COMPANIES EXTRACT THE OIL FROM OIL WELLS ON EARTH.THEIR MACHINE CONSUMES LESS ENERGY THAN THE OUT PUT. I MEAN, THEY USE LESS OIL TO GET MORE OIL FROM EARTH. IS LAW OF THERMODYNAMIC IS BROKEN ?

IF APPLICATION OF LAWS OF THERMODYNAMIC IS NOT APPLIED ON THE BOTH EXAMPLES SPECIALY ON EXAMPLE NO. 2 THEN ?

Well, when oil mafia gets oil from earth, law of thermodynamics is not applicable because they got hidden source of underground oil.

when we do electrolysis of water (hidden source of hydrogen fuel) and consume electricity as input to get hydrogen from water, oil mafia people says that law of thermodynamics is broken. but we forget that while we consume electricity, we also consume water (hidden source of hydrogen fuel) during this process. Electricity is not converted into chemical energy and stored in LED Acid Battery but it is used just to split the water.
input process output
electricity ------> electrolysis ----> H+H+O is Wrong.
electricity + water---> electrolysis ----> H+H+O is Right

water can replace the existing fuel and oil mafia will be drowned if we don't follow their laws of physics.
scientist who follows laws of physics are unable to invent new devices.

scientist who don't follows laws of physics have invented hundreds of new devices which consume less energy and generate more energy. Check this link. "www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Appendix3.pdf"
because they add energy from the environment like water, earth magnetic field around us, or radiant energy around us or zero point energy.
feel free to express your comments on this topic.

 

[jee_nee_us]

One of the dumbest post I have seen lately!

Laws of english are broken in the thread title though.

 

[hassanattique]

The most dump post ever seen. I dnt want to discourage the research but such baseless argument which are visibly wrong is condemn able.

1. When you eat something during morning and do all the work. Had you calculated the energy stored in the body since the the time you were born. Had you calculate the thing you are eating how much energy it contain?

2. You are not creating oil from oil. You are extracting oil from earth. You have not calculated the energy produced from oil to run machine.

These both are the most stupid example to prove a point.

 

[Pak1stani]

آغا وقار کا شاگرد آگیا جی

 

[Sedqal]

Both are incorrect analogies. Oil companies are not making energy they are merely extracting oil. Do you know that this 'water vehicle' drama has been pulled some 12 times all over the world and every single time it was proved to be a topi drama.

 

[nonamina]

you would have not posted all this if you know what is a "closed system " and "open system"....

 

[lurker]

The Laws of Thermodynamics are not broken. Everyone else has explained exactly why.

 

[moazzamniaz]

Man, u broked my brain:).

 

[Liberal Fascist]

Man, u broked my brain:).

Broked: mind your language please !

 

[Niazi Hawk]

One of the dumbest post I have seen lately!

Laws of english are broken in the thread title though.

HAHA,LET IT GO MAN,CHALTI SY MISTAKE HO GAYA HO GA(bigsmile),MERY KHAYAL MEIN YAHI SAHIB HAIN JO KABHI MAGNET AUR BATTERY KY CHAKAR MEIN PARY HTY HAIN:)

 

[Ali raza babar]

Yar water can replace fuel , I agree , But these analogies are hilarious , No offence

 

[isbman]

the most dump post ever seen. I dnt want to discourage the research but such baseless argument which are visibly wrong is condemn able.

1. When you eat something during morning and do all the work. Had you calculated the energy stored in the body since the the time you were born. Had you calculate the thing you are eating how much energy it contain?

2. You are not creating oil from oil. You are extracting oil from earth. You have not calculated the energy produced from oil to run machine.

These both are the most stupid example to prove a point.

i already told you that laws are not applicable neither broke in these examples ? I think you didn't read full post.
Laws of physics are not broken in electrolysis also. Because We don't create hydrogen from electricity. we just extract hydrogen from water source. You just consider electricity input. Why don't you consider water which is consumed? electricity is not converted into hydrogen. water is converted into hydrogen.

if laws are not broken in oil extraction from earth then is it also not broken in water electrolysis also.
this confusion (electricity converts into hydrogen) is created . because we spend excessive and useless electricity more than the output. while hydrogen can be generated in other efficient methods.

 

[jee_nee_us]

A water car basically runs on electricity , pani ko badnaam na kerein.

 

[hassanattique]

oh man. Everybody know law of physics is not broken in electrolysis itself. Because the amount of energy required to break the bond would ideally be equal to the amount of electricity produced(Which is not possible in the real world due to loses) and if you have learn physics then now tell me the net electricity produced =0. you consume electricity you make electricity even less amount of electricity. The 2 example you have given are having no match with your example of electrolysis. You are not producing oil from oil and in human body you are not only consuming energy from the piece of food you have eaten in day time only.

i already told you that laws are not applicable neither broke in these examples ? I think you didn't read full post.
Laws of physics are not broken in electrolysis also. Because We don't create hydrogen from electricity. we just extract hydrogen from water source. You just consider electricity input. Why don't you consider water which is consumed? electricity is not converted into hydrogen. water is converted into hydrogen.

if laws are not broken in oil extraction from earth then is it also not broken in water electrolysis also.
this confusion (electricity converts into hydrogen) is created . because we spend excessive and useless electricity more than the output. while hydrogen can be generated in other efficient methods.

 

[jee_nee_us]

To break one mole of water 285 KJ of energy is required , Go figure how much is released in burning one?

Through electricity we will have to give more energy to water per mole than it will release. Why use water then? WHy can't simply run the car on batteries This is insane.

 

[GreenMaple]

Whatever; Mr. Einstein (resurrected)....

 

[pakistani_12345]

Aaala

I don't know,, should I laugh or cry on this post. But this can not beat the moment when agha Waqar spoke in capital talk about free energy and resonance.

 

[pinionated]

Do u belong to PMLN. If not, maybe you should... your research and logic surely implies that u two are a good match

 

[isbman]

oh man. Everybody know law of physics is not broken in electrolysis itself. Because the amount of energy required to break the bond would ideally be equal to the amount of electricity produced(Which is not possible in the real world due to loses) and if you have learn physics then now tell me the net electricity produced =0. you consume electricity you make electricity even less amount of electricity. The 2 example you have given are having no match with your example of electrolysis. You are not producing oil from oil and in human body you are not only consuming energy from the piece of food you have eaten in day time only.

that what i wanted to say exactly that you mentioned. we don't get oil from oil. the same case applied on water. in electrolysis of water we don't convert electricity into hydrogen. Electricity is used to extract the hydrogen from water like oil is used to extract oil.

Electrolysis is not "LED acid battery proceeded" where electricity is stored in battery and converted into chemical energy and battery provides this stored electricity for later usage. In electrolysis we can't store the energy but it is used to split the water.

 

[isbman]

oh man. Everybody know law of physics is not broken in electrolysis itself. Because the amount of energy required to break the bond would ideally be equal to the amount of electricity produced(Which is not possible in the real world due to loses) and if you have learn physics then now tell me the net electricity produced =0. you consume electricity you make electricity even less amount of electricity. The 2 example you have given are having no match with your example of electrolysis. You are not producing oil from oil and in human body you are not only consuming energy from the piece of food you have eaten in day time only.

that what i wanted to say exactly that you mentioned. we don't get oil from oil. the same case applied on water. in electrolysis of water we don't convert electricity into hydrogen. Electricity is used to extract the hydrogen from water like oil is used to extract oil.

Electrolysis is not "LED acid battery proceeded" where electricity is stored in battery and converted into chemical energy and battery provides this stored electricity for later usage. In electrolysis we can't store the energy but it is used to split the water.