KPK a step forward - PTI govt trails biometric system in LB polls

[Nice2MU]

I don't think it gona work because if one has to use that same stupid ballot paper, then what is the use of this machine?

I am confused about this machine (at least in this video) that if even Nadra verify one person, but by force the gangsters can cast the fake votes in the old fashion.

 

[samkhan]

I don't think it gona work because if one has to use that same stupid ballot paper, then what is the use of this machine?

I am confused about this machine (at least in this video) that if even Nadra verify one person, but by force the gangster can cost the fake votes in the old fashion.

پنجاب، سندھ اور کراچی میں پچھلے ٣٠ سال سے شریف خاندان، زرداری خاندان اور ایم کیو ایم کی حکومت ہے. الیکشن کا عملہ سرکاری ملازمین پر مشتمل ہوتا ہے اور تقریبا تمام کے تمام سرکاری ملازمین کسی نہ کسی پارٹی ہی کی جانب سے بھرتی ہوتے ہیں اور اس لیے ان جماعتوں کے لیے نرم گوشہ رکھتے ہیں. اس بات کی کوئی گارنٹی نہیں کہ یہ سرکاری عملہ اپنی وفاداری ثابت کرنے یا کسی لالچ یا جبر کے تحت ان لوگوں کو بھی بیلٹ پیپر پر مہر لگانے دے جن کی اس مشین کے زریعہ تصدیق نہ ہوتی ہو. ویسے کچھ دن پہلے ایک اور ویڈیو میں الیکٹرونک مشین تھی جس میں تمام پارٹیوں کہ انتخابی نشانات بنے ہوۓ تھے ووٹر کسی بھی انتخابی نشان کو پریس کرتا تھا وہاں سے ایک پرچی یا بیلٹ پیپر نکلتا تھا جس کو ووٹر بکس میں ڈال دیتا تھا

 

[Zoaib]

It will improve transparency. In a neutral admin this would work really well in not allowing fake votes/voters. In a biased admin, there may be manipulation in manual voting (stuffing etc) but simple tally with verification data at time of counting or after wards will help in detecting and eliminating rigging. As for the complete EVM system introduced by NADRA, it's a recent thing...will take some getting used to by the people. In stages hopefully...

 

[ali-raj]

This system is only for controlling fake voting. You got to have the person and cnic on hand to cast the vote. the system will check both with NADRA database and churn out the slip for vote. It will help in cutting down those 60k-70k fake casted votes as stated by Ch. Nisar.

Anyway. atleast PTI is doing somthing for the good of Pakistan.

For NaySayers.

قافلہ چلتا رھتا ھے
کتا بھونکتا رہتا ھے

 

[miafridi]

I don't think it gona work because if one has to use that same stupid ballot paper, then what is the use of this machine? I am confused about this machine (at least in this video) that if even Nadra verify one person, but by force the gangster can cost the fake votes in the old fashion.

I think its better this way for following reasons.


1)The ballot papers are generated on demand(by putting your thumb impression) and it saves millions of ballot papers because using the old method you always have to print ballot papers prior to elections using your best guess, so when there is low turn out there are many many ballot papers which are left without being used.


2)It is more transparent this way, because they could have easily said that they will use a database to register votes, but this way if someone had access to the database could artificially compromise the vote count data, but using this type of technique it will be same as a ballot paper which will later be counted manually.


3)A person will not be able to get two or more ballot papers for the same thumb(and even if he gets multiple ballot papers by playing with the machine then read point 5)


4)When you will put your thumb on the machine it will generate a ballot paper which will contain an encryption code.


5)If someone files a case that the constituency was rigged then all the votes would easily be verifiable since each vote(ballot paper that the machine will generate) will contain an encryption code against a thumb impression. And that encryption code will locate easily who casted this vote. and in case if an encryption code doesn't lead to a thumb impression(a genuine person) you will mark it as fake/bogus vote, and if it leads to someone even then you can programe the machine to locate if any other vote has also been casted by this person, if yes then it will also locate the fraud easily.


But yes i must say that you are right about someone forcing you at gun point to cast vote for him, but this is already happening isn't it? You cannot stop such practice but this type of force vote can account only 5 to 10 percent of total elections, but the greater part of the election can be made secure with electronic voting i guess.This analysis is only according to my understanding. I think things will be much clear once ECP gives its conclusion regarding this system on 31st december.

 

[motasimmasood]

But does it only verify the identity of voter or the actual vote is being casted through the machine? Because this gentleman is saying that he verifies the identity and forward the voter to the election commission staff.

 

[Nice2MU]

I think its better this way for following reasons.


1)The ballot papers are generated on demand(by putting your thumb impression) and it saves millions of ballot papers because using the old method you always have to print ballot papers prior to elections using your best guess, so when there is low turn out there are many many ballot papers which are left without being used.


2)It is more transparent this way, because they could have easily said that they will use a database to register votes, but this way if someone had access to the database could artificially compromise the vote count data, but using this type of technique it will be same as a ballot paper which will later be counted manually.


3)A person will not be able to get two or more ballot papers for the same thumb(and even if he gets multiple ballot papers by playing with the machine then read point 5)


4)When you will put your thumb on the machine it will generate a ballot paper which will contain an encryption code.


5)If someone files a case that the constituency was rigged then all the votes would easily be verifiable since each vote(ballot paper that the machine will generate) will contain an encryption code against a thumb impression. And that encryption code will locate easily who casted this vote. and in case if an encryption code doesn't lead to a thumb impression(a genuine person) you will mark it as fake/bogus vote, and if it leads to someone even then you can programe the machine to locate if any other vote has also been casted by this person, if yes then it will also locate the fraud easily.


But yes i must say that you are right about someone forcing you at gun point to cast vote for him, but this is already happening isn't it? You cannot stop such practice but this type of force vote can account only 5 to 10 percent of total elections, but the greater part of the election can be made secure with electronic voting i guess.This analysis is only according to my understanding. I think things will be much clear once ECP gives its conclusion regarding this system on 31st december.

If it generates its own ballot paper, then that's fine. If this machines is used only for the verification of voter and the same printed ballot paper is used, then it is useless because the Gangsters can hijack the polling station and they can cost fake votes with fake thumb impressions.

Plus it would be better if the vote is casted electronically as well.

 

[miafridi]

If it generates its own ballot paper, then that's fine. If this machines is used only for the verification of voter and the same printed ballot paper is used, then it is useless because the Gangsters can hijack the polling station and they can cost fake votes with fake thumb impressions.

Plus it would be better if the vote is costed electronically as well.

The machine which was exhibited by Tariq Malik was able to generate its own Receipt(after putting thumb impression) with an encryption code which according to him could then be used to cast the vote for the desired candidate. But still if it is only used for verifying a voter(and saving his records) it could help significantly in curbing rigging because if the vote count is larger than the number of people verified by the machine then it will show at once that there is either false counting or rigging.

The thing which you are concerned about(means force voting for a desired candidate) cannot be addressed by any system of the world and as i said such force votes can only be as much as 5 to 10 percent no matter if you use old system or biometric its not going to change because if you have gun on your head then how come you vote for someone else? but still this system will reduce the multiple votes cast by a single person and also will ensure that each vote is verifiable because in the current system they purposely put faint thumb impression(to make it unrecognizable) and they can easily put the blame on ECP and say the vote is not fake but its not verifiable.

 

[Nice2MU]

The machine which was exhibited by Tariq Malik was able to generate its own Receipt(after putting thumb impression) with an encryption code which according to him could then be used to cast the vote for the desired candidate. But still if it is only used for verifying a voter(and saving his records) it could help significantly in curbing rigging because if the vote count is larger than the number of people verified by the machine then it will show at once that there is either false counting or rigging.

The thing which you are concerned about(means force voting for a desired candidate) cannot be addressed by any system of the world and as i said such force votes can only be as much as 5 to 10 percent no matter if you use old system or biometric its not going to change because if you have gun on your head then how come you vote for someone else? but still this system will reduce the multiple votes cast by a single person and also will ensure that each vote is verifiable because in the current system they purposely put faint thumb impression(to make it unrecognizable) and they can easily put the blame on ECP and say the vote is not fake but its not verifiable.

Sir gee PILDAT has already shown in many polling stations that polled votes were higher than the total votes, but what is action? If ECP doesn't take action against people then what is the purpose of this machine? I don't think it should be used for verification only. I am not saying that I is 100% useless but its benefit would be hardly 5% in this case.

 

[miafridi]

Sir gee PILDAT has already shown in many polling stations that polled votes were higher than the total votes, but what is action? If ECP doesn't take action against people then what is the purpose of this machine? I don't think it should be used for verification only. I am not saying that I is 100% useless but its benefit would be hardly 5% in this case.

I won't comment on that Pildat Survey because they showed excuses like it was a human error and that no constituency exceeded its limit etc etc.

Look brother, in the old system voters are registered first. So lets say they have a data of 100 people in an area, Now what actually happened was that they had all the data of people, and the only thing they required was a thumb impression. Lets suppose only 40(40%) people came to vote. So if someone wanted to rigg(because somehow he came to know that his votes are less) then all he had to do was take some ballot papers and put a rubber stamp finger print/Faint(unrecognizable) finger print, on the ballot paper and write the other details of at least 20(20%) people of the remaining 60(60%) voters who didn't come to vote and cast vote to the desired candidate.... This way they showed that the turnaround was 60%(while the actual turnaround was 40%).. This is what has happened and now they are saying that the votes which are not verifiable doesn't mean that they are fake votes which is a lame excuse.

Now in the current system They won't be able to add a voter whose data isn't collected by the machine and therefore if there is 60% turnaround but the machine shows 40% people came then this will be a clear sign of either false counting or rigging, which will make the investigation into the matter a necessity without any doubt. and another good thing will be that all the 40% will be easily(and quickly) identifiable leaving very less data to investigate.

 

[Nice2MU]

I won't comment on that Pildat Survey because they showed excuses like it was a human error and that no constituency exceeded its limit etc etc.

Look brother, in the old system voters are registered first. So lets say they have a data of 100 people in an area, Now what actually happened was that they had all the data of people, and the only thing they required was a thumb impression. Lets suppose only 40(40%) people came to vote. So if someone wanted to rigg(because somehow he came to know that his votes are less) then all he had to do was take some ballot papers and put a rubber stamp finger print/Faint(unrecognizable) finger print, on the ballot paper and write the other details of at least 20(20%) people of the remaining 60(60%) voters who didn't come to vote and cast vote to the desired candidate.... This way they showed that the turnaround was 60%(while the actual turnaround was 40%).. This is what has happened and now they are saying that the votes which are not verifiable doesn't mean that they are fake votes which is a lame excuse.

Now in the current system They won't be able to add a voter whose data isn't collected by the machine and therefore if there is 60% turnaround but the machine shows 40% people came then this will be a clear sign of either false counting or rigging, which will make the investigation into the matter a necessity without any doubt. and another good thing will be that all the 40% will be easily(and quickly) identifiable leaving very less data to investigate.

Agreed....... but I wanted it to be more than for just verification that's it.

 

[octopus]

Nooras aur ppp walay aur baki tumam parties tu is ko kabi be kabool nahi keray gay

 

[frenes]

Weldone PTI these types of improvements can cut the hands of corruption.

 

[Zindabad4u]

Well done KPK govt. But is it going to work in KPK and the politicians going to put the innovating system no way they will not give the funds for these biometric android tablets... Its just a dream but anyway good achievement from IK.. keep it up bcoz strom coming tomorrow ;) TUQ

 

[Imranpak]

I am rapidly losing faith in the PTI. Do acknowledge that they are doing some good work.

 

[Star Gazer]

Re: KPK a step forward

Now the cost of this process ?

Cost is, Freedom from Nooras,PPP,JUI-F,mqm and that is sweeeeet!

 

[jee_nee_us]

If these elections are held without any fuss and issues then this will be a foundation of naya kpk. Without a functional local body sytem government cant run well.