KP minister rationalises militant attacks

[Taimur.javed]

PTI anti terror policy is stupid and not based on reality. Imran Khan is deluded to think that if their are no drones TTP will stop. They will continue with same vigor if not increase their activities. Imran Khan was against military operation in Swat in 2009. Does anyone really believe that Swat would be free from those a-holes if Pak army hadn't kicked their butts.

BTW, I am a PTI voter, member and Imran Khan is my leader but I have no qualms in saying that his anti-terror policy is idiotic.

 

[ARYAN ALI]

PESHAWAR, July 1: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf openly came forward to justify acts of terrorism in provincial assembly on Monday when one of its ministers instead of condemning the suicide attack by militants in Peshawar tried to rationalise it.

http://dawn.com/news/1022214/kp- [h=1]KP minister rationalises militant attacks[/h]
Published 2013-07-02 08:13:09


PESHAWAR, July 1: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf openly came forward to justify acts of terrorism in provincial assembly on Monday when one of its ministers instead of condemning the suicide attack by militants in Peshawar tried to rationalise it.
Mr Speaker, suppose if drone hits the residence of an MPA in this House then what will be his reaction, said Shah Farman, minister for public health and engineering, while taking the floor on a point of order in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly.
ANP parliamentary leader Sardar Hussain Babak reacted strongly to the ministers statement and said that the provincial government conveyed to the people that Pakhtuns would die unless federal government formed a policy against terrorism and halted drone strikes. He said that people had been demoralised owing to the defensive policy of PTI.
He said that federal and provincial governments were playing blame game. He said that previous government was accused of killing Pakhtuns for the sake of dollars, but the present government did not decline financial assistance from western countries.
Provincial government at least can stop USAID from running the provincial assembly website and ask it to wind up development projects if it cant force it to halt drone attacks, Mr Babak said.
He said that militants had resurfaced in Peshawar, Swat and other areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and people were kidnapped for ransom. He said that there was general perception that Taliban were governing the province which might not wrong.
Shah Farman, who had served PTI as secretary information, argued that people should know details of women, children and other innocent civilians killed in drone strikes during the past few years.
He said that foreign affairs and defence were federal subjects and PTI would not violate the Constitution. He said that it was responsibility of central government to engage Taliban in negotiation to end militancy.
The minister said that provincial government could not halt drone strikes and instead of criticising the government, the opposition should ascertain causes of militancy.
He said that the country was indulged in war 10 years ago to earn dollars and people were used as mercenaries. He opposed deployment of army in Fata and said that the country should pull itself out from the US-led war against terrorism as soon as possible.
The minister remarks came in the House when Pakistan Peoples Party MPA Nighat Yasmin Orakzai on a point of order condemned car bomb and suicide attacks in Peshawar and Quetta on Sunday that killed over 50 people and wounded more than 100.
Deputy Speaker Imtiaz Shahid Qureshi was presiding over the proceeding.
Ms Orakzai suggested that the House should pass unanimous resolution against the barbarism committed by militants. She asked the government to adopt aggressive policy to stop massacre of innocent people.
She said that except Punjab, people of other three provinces were at the mercy of terrorists. She said that provincial government instead of waiting for federal government to frame policy on terrorism should take concrete steps against militancy in the province. She staged walkout when the treasury members booed.
Opposition parties in the assembly seem divided over militancy. Awami National Party and Pakistan Peoples Party are openly condemning militancy while Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-F and Pakistan Muslim League-N have different approach and do not attack militants openly.
Senior Minister Sikandar Khan Sherpao said that federal government could not absolve itself from its responsibility. He warned that militancy could spell over to other parts of the country.
He said that government had inherited militancy and opposition should not blame it for its flawed policies.
Later, treasury benches brought a resolution against US drone strikes but opposition disagreed with its content. The content of the resolution tabled by the government was that federal government should stop drone attacks, because it was violation of territorial jurisdiction as well as international law.
The treasury had also included the name of JUI-F MPA Mufti Said Janan without his consent. Mufti said that he was tabling resolution in which supply for Nato forces via Khyber Pakhtunkhwa should be linked with cessation of drone strikes. After protest, it was decided that a joint resolution would be tabled in consultation with opposition on Tuesday.

 

[pakistanikhan]

just shame on him

 

[jerry719964]

That's BUSH mentality Either you are with us or against us , If someone gives a reason of terrorism that why a person agrees to blow himself? our liberal extremists start calling them terrorists supporters

 

[jerry719964]

At least PTI have a policy , you can agree or disagree with it , There are two ways to fight this terrorism , one is to just fight and kil as many and as much as you can which we are doing for so many years and the result we are getting is getting worst day by day , 2nd is that of IK ,that talk to them separate them eliminate JIHAD concept so that we can get rid of suicide attacks and then go for a kill against those hardcore terrorists who can't be negotiated , now if you hate IK policy still it has a point , i.e it has never been tested , so atleast one cannot say it's a failed policy

PTI anti terror policy is stupid and not based on reality. Imran Khan is deluded to think that if their are no drones TTP will stop. They will continue with same vigor if not increase their activities. Imran Khan was against military operation in Swat in 2009. Does anyone really believe that Swat would be free from those a-holes if Pak army hadn't kicked their butts.

BTW, I am a PTI voter, member and Imran Khan is my leader but I have no qualms in saying that his anti-terror policy is idiotic.

 

[adnan_younus]

making stupid reasons which makes no sense equate to justifying it.. hazara suiide bombing is because of drones? sindh judge attak was because of drones?.. PTI just finds easy scape goat and blames drones instead of these mullaz let lose in their madarsaas teaching if u kill ull get jannah.... they shud openly say who ever thinks they will go to jannah by killing otehrs is totally utterly stupid... rest Allah knows

These idiots need to understand that pointing out the reasons behind attacks does not equate to justifying the attacks.

 

[Unlettered]

That's BUSH mentality Either you are with us or against us , If someone gives a reason of terrorism that why a person agrees to blow himself? our liberal extremists start calling them terrorists supporters

Its really a shame to call such people liberals. Only those who agrees with a certain religious philosophy / party policy or blinded by the sponsored propaganda can be that self proclaimed liberal who can justify any kind of killings of innocent people. Accross the world the leftist liberals are against the war on terror because of the killings.

How can a liberal be pro war is beyond my understanding, specially a war that was not started by the people who are blamed by these 'so called liberals'.

 

[jerry719964]

That's Pakistani liberals , In Pakistan Being Liberal means to say YES to what ever WEST say , HATE Islam and Culture and Do everything to please White Skin , Then You'll be called Liberal in Pakistan

Its really a shame to call such people liberals. Only those who agrees with a certain religious philosophy / party policy or blinded by the sponsored propaganda can be that self proclaimed liberal who can justify any kind of killings of innocent people. Accross the world the leftist liberals are against the war on terror because of the killings.

How can a liberal be pro war is beyond my understanding, specially a war that was not started by the people who are blamed by these 'so called liberals'.

 

[Mullah Omar]

making stupid reasons which makes no sense equate to justifying it.. hazara suiide bombing is because of drones? sindh judge attak was because of drones?.. PTI just finds easy scape goat and blames drones instead of these mullaz let lose in their madarsaas teaching if u kill ull get jannah.... they shud openly say who ever thinks they will go to jannah by killing otehrs is totally utterly stupid... rest Allah knows

all reasons are stupid to blind mushy supporters. He is talking about insurgency against state, not Hazara or other sectarian killings.

 

[adnan_younus]

all are same.. all have nexus with one another.... these are religiouly turned crazy ppl by our mullas and bogus madarsaaas.... instad of talking abt crackdown of madarsaas spreading hate materials.. AMREEKA AMREEEKA AMREEEEKA....

all reasons are stupid to blind mushy supporters. He is talking about insurgency against state, not Hazara or other sectarian killings.

 

[Mullah Omar]

all are same.. all have nexus with one another.... these are religiouly turned crazy ppl by our mullas and bogus madarsaaas.... instad of talking abt crackdown of madarsaas spreading hate materials.. AMREEKA AMREEEKA AMREEEEKA....

seperate issues, one is sectarian and the other is an insurgency against the state. Ofcourse for a blind secular like you every religious person is the same. I'm surprised you haven't said all madrassas teach Quran so Quran should be banned.

 

[adnan_younus]

im not a secular.. im a liberal... the insurgency is done by our own peopple with a mindset of implement what ever transformed version of islam theyve got.... teh same transformed version which taliban implemented in afghanistan..... eitehr u comply to their version or be killed...

seperate issues, one is sectarian and the other is an insurgency against the state. Ofcourse for a blind secular like you every religious person is the same. I'm surprised you haven't said all madrassas teach Quran so Quran should be banned.

 

[Mullah Omar]

im not a secular.. im a liberal... the insurgency is done by our own peopple with a mindset of implement what ever transformed version of islam theyve got.... teh same transformed version which taliban implemented in afghanistan..... eitehr u comply to their version or be killed...

Yes you are secular just like your leader Musharraf. What type of islam should be implemented in Pakistan then? let's ask the ulema, shall we? Didn't you say before that Taliban shariah was real shariah but you are not ready to accept shariah?

 

[adnan_younus]

here we go again then... taliban sharya is the real sharya but i dont want any one forcing that on mee.. when i wish i will comply. tat is b/w me n Allah.... and thats is teh diofference b/w liberals and seculars... secular totally negates religion... liberals say dont impose religion on us....

n i dont care abt ulemas.. they r scumbags of this society... we dont need their services.. they shud be retired or exiled to afghanistan...

understand teh difference b/w ;ebrals and secualrs... and abt the type os islam to be imple,ented in paksitan. what ever plp want shud be impleemnted.. if majority wants parda by force then be it.. ... we shudnt impose religion on people..

Yes you are secular just like your leader Musharraf. What type of islam should be implemented in Pakistan then? let's ask the ulema, shall we? Didn't you say before that Taliban shariah was real shariah but you are not ready to accept shariah?

 

[Mullah Omar]

here we go again then... taliban sharya is the real sharya but i dont want any one forcing that on mee.. when i wish i will comply. tat is b/w me n Allah.... and thats is teh diofference b/w liberals and seculars... secular totally negates religion... liberals say dont impose religion on us....

n i dont care abt ulemas.. they r scumbags of this society... we dont need their services.. they shud be retired or exiled to afghanistan...

understand teh difference b/w ;ebrals and secualrs... and abt the type os islam to be imple,ented in paksitan. what ever plp want shud be impleemnted.. if majority wants parda by force then be it.. ... we shudnt impose religion on people..

and here we again with your confusion. So basically you hate Taliban because they want to implement shariah and you are agreeing then that Taliban version of shariah is correct so why did you call it "transformed verison" before? as if Taliban have some heretical interpretation of shariah which you don't agree with. Secularism negates religion but also seeks to confine religion at home. This is exactly what you are saying. You are advocating secularism. It comes as no suprise you don't care about ulema because what you advocate is downright kufr and most ulemas will probably declare you an apostate.

 

[adnan_younus]

transformed version as in implementation if teh text book sharyaa by force is correct.....

and here we again with your confusion. So basically you hate Taliban because they want to implement shariah and you are agreeing then that Taliban version of shariah is correct so why did you call it "transformed verison" before? as if Taliban have some heretical interpretation of shariah which you don't agree with. Secularism negates religion but also seeks to confine religion at home. This is exactly what you are saying. You are advocating secularism. It comes as no suprise you don't care about ulema because what you advocate is downright kufr and most ulemas will probably declare you an apostate.

 

[Mullah Omar]

transformed version as in implementation if teh text book sharyaa by force is correct.....

So what I can understand from your comments is that Taliban shariah is correct but you simply don't want shariah because you're a secular person, this also explains why you hate religious people whether they be Taliban, ulema or religious parties.

 

[adnan_younus]

u jsut wont udnerstand or want to twist my words... i dont want some bearded dumb head to force it on me ..... forget sharyaa.. prayers are farz 5 times.. how many muslim wud deny tat.. but how many actually pray 5 times??? so when i say i dotn want any one forcing me to pray doesnt mean i dont agree with praying 5 times.....

So what I can understand from your comments is that Taliban shariah is correct but you simply don't want shariah because you're a secular person, this also explains why you hate religious people whether they be Taliban, ulema or religious parties.

 

[Mullah Omar]

u jsut wont udnerstand or want to twist my words... i dont want some bearded dumb head to force it on me ..... forget sharyaa.. prayers are farz 5 times.. how many muslim wud deny tat.. but how many actually pray 5 times??? so when i say i dotn want any one forcing me to pray doesnt mean i dont agree with praying 5 times.....

I understand what you're saying....So all islamic punishments are wrong (including the ones described in Quran) because they are akin to forcing someonr e.g. some people were punished by Prophet Mohammad pbuh for drinking alcohol and hence shariah was forced upon them, which is in your view a wrong thing to do?

 

[Taimur.javed]

At least PTI have a policy , you can agree or disagree with it , There are two ways to fight this terrorism , one is to just fight and kil as many and as much as you can which we are doing for so many years and the result we are getting is getting worst day by day , 2nd is that of IK ,that talk to them separate them eliminate JIHAD concept so that we can get rid of suicide attacks and then go for a kill against those hardcore terrorists who can't be negotiated , now if you hate IK policy still it has a point , i.e it has never been tested , so atleast one cannot say it's a failed policy

Our military effort has been half hearted at best. I am not doubting the effort of our brave soliders who have laid their lives but as a nation we have been half hearted at best and people like Imran Khan, PML-N, Maulana Hazrat and most other parties have contributed towards the confusion. Do you seriously think that the deal made by ANP in swat with Taliban would've worked. In 2004, Government had made peace deal with militants and during that time all Maliks and notables (mostly pro Pakistan/governement) were killed by Taliban. That created a vaccum.

These are inconvenient truths that don't fit into Imran Khan's overly simplified theory.