KP minister rationalises militant attacks

yasirmaliq

Senator (1k+ posts)
PESHAWAR, July 1: The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf openly came forward to justify acts of terrorism in provincial assembly on Monday when one of its ministers instead of condemning the suicide attack by militants in Peshawar tried to rationalise it.

“Mr Speaker, suppose if drone hits the residence of an MPA in this House then what will be his reaction,” said Shah Farman, minister for public health and engineering, while taking the floor on a point of order in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Assembly.

ANP parliamentary leader Sardar Hussain Babak reacted strongly to the minister’s statement and said that the provincial government conveyed to the people that Pakhtuns would die unless federal government formed a policy against terrorism and halted drone strikes. He said that people had been demoralised owing to the defensive policy of PTI. He said that federal and provincial governments were playing blame game. He said that previous government was accused of killing Pakhtuns for the sake of dollars, but the present government did not decline financial assistance from western countries.

“Provincial government at least can stop USAID from running the provincial assembly website and ask it to wind up development projects if it can’t force it to halt drone attacks,” Mr Babak said.

He said that militants had resurfaced in Peshawar, Swat and other areas of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and people were kidnapped for ransom. He said that there was general perception that Taliban were governing the province which might not wrong. Shah Farman, who had served PTI as secretary information, argued that people should know details of women, children and other innocent civilians killed in drone strikes during the past few years.

He said that foreign affairs and defence were federal subjects and PTI would not violate the Constitution. He said that it was responsibility of central government to engage Taliban in negotiation to end militancy. The minister said that provincial government could not halt drone strikes and instead of criticising the government, the opposition should ascertain causes of militancy.

He said that the country was indulged in war 10 years ago to earn dollars and people were used as mercenaries. He opposed deployment of army in Fata and said that the country should pull itself out from the US-led war against terrorism as soon as possible. The minister remarks came in the House when Pakistan People’s Party MPA Nighat Yasmin Orakzai on a point of order condemned car bomb and suicide attacks in Peshawar and Quetta on Sunday that killed over 50 people and wounded more than 100. Deputy Speaker Imtiaz Shahid Qureshi was presiding over the proceeding.

Ms Orakzai suggested that the House should pass unanimous resolution against the barbarism committed by militants. She asked the government to adopt aggressive policy to stop massacre of innocent people. She said that except Punjab, people of other three provinces were at the mercy of terrorists. She said that provincial government instead of waiting for federal government to frame policy on terrorism should take concrete steps against militancy in the province. She staged walkout when the treasury members booed.

Opposition parties in the assembly seem divided over militancy. Awami National Party and Pakistan People’s Party are openly condemning militancy while Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-F and Pakistan Muslim League-N have different approach and do not attack militants openly.
Senior Minister Sikandar Khan Sherpao said that federal government could not absolve itself from its responsibility. He warned that militancy could spell over to other parts of the country.

He said that government had inherited militancy and opposition should not blame it for its flawed policies.
Later, treasury benches brought a resolution against US drone strikes but opposition disagreed with its content. The content of the resolution tabled by the government was that federal government should stop drone attacks, because it was violation of territorial jurisdiction as well as international law.

The treasury had also included the name of JUI-F MPA Mufti Said Janan without his consent. Mufti said that he was tabling resolution in which supply for Nato forces via Khyber Pakhtunkhwa should be linked with cessation of drone strikes. After protest, it was decided that a joint resolution would be tabled in consultation with opposition on Tuesday.

Dawn
 

remykhan

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What ANP achieved in their five years of governance. I think they should sit tite and let the new government implement their policies for terrorism.
 

miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Shia killings are in revenge of drone attacks? Killing people inside mosques is revenge. PTI is political branch of TTP and they both are in power in KPK.

The talibanisation has caused it easy for others to infiltrate in their ranks and carry out such attacks.. But the core issue is the Taliban. If you don't have taliban then you will know your enemy.
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
PTI should compel the central government to take action drone attacks.

There has been no drone attack since the last two weeks. It is ridiculous and delusional oversimplification on the part of PTI to say that the whole Taliban phenomena shall cease if drone attacks are halted and if we stop to be an ally of America in the war against terror. Taliban have many isolated demands which will go unaffected by any means that the government takes to stop drone attacks. Taliban want the implementation of Sharia in Pakistan. They don't believe in democracy and reject the constitution of Pakistan. Further , they are not ready to lay down their arms no matter what. Kindly let me know what is PTI's stance regarding these isolated demands and how to cope with them?
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
There has been no drone attack since the last two weeks. It is ridiculous and delusional oversimplification on the part of PTI to say that the whole Taliban phenomena shall cease if drone attacks are halted and if we stop to be an ally of America in the war against terror. Taliban have many isolated demands which will go unaffected by any means that the government takes to stop drone attacks. Taliban want the implementation of Sharia in Pakistan. They don't believe in democracy and reject the constitution of Pakistan. Further , they are not ready to lay down their arms no matter what. Kindly let me know what is PTI's stance regarding these isolated demands and how to cope with them?
The demands you have mentioned are not the primary reasons behind TTPs fight. This was most evident during the elections when only specific political parties were targeted by TTP. If TTP are against democracy why didn't they target PTI, PMLN and other parties during elections? Taliban have also not outright rejected the constitution, they say the constitution should be amended to bring it in line with islam, obviously this is not something me or any other muslim would disagree with, similarly with implementation of shariah, no muslim can oppose it.
 

kakajee

Minister (2k+ posts)
Some terrorist who died in drone strikes

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Even firoun would be ashamed of it but ML(nanagi) league MOFOS will still be barking at this brutality.

Just because someone thinks that drones are as illegal and barbaric as the terrorism of TTP and LeJ, these mofos start shouting against him


Ye Muslamaan hain jinhain dekh ke sharmain Yahood


 
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desan

President (40k+ posts)
Shia killings are in revenge of drone attacks? Killing people inside mosques is revenge. PTI is political branch of TTP and they both are in power in KPK.

Terrorism is quite muddy with numerous players involved.
It can be used as an excuse by forces who in favour of operation in the North, while
operators of drones quite well known....
 

miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
There has been no drone attack since the last two weeks. It is ridiculous and delusional oversimplification on the part of PTI to say that the whole Taliban phenomena shall cease if drone attacks are halted and if we stop to be an ally of America in the war against terror. Taliban have many isolated demands which will go unaffected by any means that the government takes to stop drone attacks. Taliban want the implementation of Sharia in Pakistan. They don't believe in democracy and reject the constitution of Pakistan. Further , they are not ready to lay down their arms no matter what. Kindly let me know what is PTI's stance regarding these isolated demands and how to cope with them?

read some answers in between...
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
The demands you have mentioned are not the primary reasons behind TTPs fight. This was most evident during the elections when only specific political parties were targeted by TTP. If TTP are against democracy why didn't they target PTI, PMLN and other parties during elections? Taliban have also not outright rejected the constitution, they say the constitution should be amended to bring it in line with islam, obviously this is not something me or any other muslim would disagree with, similarly with implementation of shariah, no muslim can oppose it.

Fine. I think that not targeting some parties and targeting the rest was a political and strategic move by Taliban. Just a week before the election , this is what Taliban said.

"In a video message released by the Umar Studio on May 2, TTP spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan has denounced democracy in Pakistan as a tool of the West.

Ehsanullah’s video message is clearly in line with the April 30 letter written by the TTP ameer Commander Hakeemullah Mehsud that his group would continue to jeopardize democracy by hindering the 2013 elections in Pakistan. “As elections are nearing, TTP’s aim would be to end the democratic system.

I, therefore, urge my militants to target senior politicians and leaders, while continuing the battle against the Pakistani security forces. I also appeal to the Pakistani nation not to let the American puppets become the rulers”, Hakeemullah had stated.

In his May 2 video message, Ehsanullah Ehsan spoke on the same lines.

Over the past several weeks, the TTP has carried out several deadly terrorist attacks against the candidates of the liberal and moderate PPP, ANP and MQM, killing at least 50 people since April 1.

TTP spokesman has already declared that selective targeting of the political parties and candidates was the decision of the Taliban Shura which decided to target all those liberal parties that were part of the previous coalition government and had backed the military operations in Swat, Malakand, FATA and other areas of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

On the other hand, the TTP has already named Nawaz Sharif, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Prof Munawwar Hassan as guarantors for holding peace talks with the government.

While the coalition governments of the PPP, ANP and the MQM in Islamabad, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa took a tough stand against the TTP-sponsored terrorism, the Punjab government of Shehbaz Sharif was accused of pursuing a policy of appeasement towards the TTP-linked anti-US, anti-Shia and anti-India jehadi extremist organisations which were allegedly allowed to operate openly and move freely across the province.

Nawaz Sharif’ decision not to condemn the Taliban attacks against the PPP, ANP and MQM candidates made these parties to label the TTP as the military wing of the PML-N, a charge which has been refuted strongly by the party leadership."

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-175482-TTP-vows-to-sabotage-elections-derail-democracy




As far as the constitution is concerned , it is of no worth for a person or a group who rejects democracy and vows to thrash the democratic system of Pakistan. Specifically , i think you must be aware of the famous booklet penned by Aiman-al-zawahiri , the head and ideologue of militants around the globe , justifying wagging Jihad against the state of Pakistan due to its "infidel constitution". If not , you can read bits of it here
http://images.thenews.com.pk/25-06-2011/ethenews/t-6999.htm



The point is not whether a Muslims would dispute the implementation of Sharia or not but where does PTI stand on the demand of implementation of Sharia (or call it the Islamification of the constitution if you wish)?
 
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Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
Fine. I think that not targeting some parties and targeting the rest was a political and strategic move by Taliban. Just a week before the election , this is what Taliban said.

"In a video message released by the Umar Studio on May 2, TTP spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan has denounced democracy in Pakistan as a tool of the West.

Ehsanullahs video message is clearly in line with the April 30 letter written by the TTP ameer Commander Hakeemullah Mehsud that his group would continue to jeopardize democracy by hindering the 2013 elections in Pakistan. As elections are nearing, TTPs aim would be to end the democratic system.

I, therefore, urge my militants to target senior politicians and leaders, while continuing the battle against the Pakistani security forces. I also appeal to the Pakistani nation not to let the American puppets become the rulers, Hakeemullah had stated.

In his May 2 video message, Ehsanullah Ehsan spoke on the same lines.

Over the past several weeks, the TTP has carried out several deadly terrorist attacks against the candidates of the liberal and moderate PPP, ANP and MQM, killing at least 50 people since April 1.

TTP spokesman has already declared that selective targeting of the political parties and candidates was the decision of the Taliban Shura which decided to target all those liberal parties that were part of the previous coalition government and had backed the military operations in Swat, Malakand, FATA and other areas of the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

On the other hand, the TTP has already named Nawaz Sharif, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Prof Munawwar Hassan as guarantors for holding peace talks with the government.

While the coalition governments of the PPP, ANP and the MQM in Islamabad, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa took a tough stand against the TTP-sponsored terrorism, the Punjab government of Shehbaz Sharif was accused of pursuing a policy of appeasement towards the TTP-linked anti-US, anti-Shia and anti-India jehadi extremist organisations which were allegedly allowed to operate openly and move freely across the province.

Nawaz Sharif decision not to condemn the Taliban attacks against the PPP, ANP and MQM candidates made these parties to label the TTP as the military wing of the PML-N, a charge which has been refuted strongly by the party leadership."

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-175482-TTP-vows-to-sabotage-elections-derail-democracy




As far as the constitution is concerned , it is of no worth for a person or a group who rejects democracy and vows to thrash the democratic system of Pakistan. Specifically , i think you must be aware of the famous booklet penned by Aiman-al-zawahiri , the head and ideologue of militants around the globe , justifying wagging Jihad against the state of Pakistan due to its "infidel constitution". If not , you can read bits of it here
http://images.thenews.com.pk/25-06-2011/ethenews/t-6999.htm



The point is not whether a Muslims would dispute the implementation of Sharia or not but where does PTI stand on the demand of implementation of Sharia (or call it the Islamification of the constitution if you wish)?

I know that TTP are against democracy but that is not the reason of their armed conflict. During the elections TTP targets were strictly limited to those parties who have supported military operations. If democracy was the real issue then whole scenario would have been different and TTP would have used violence against EVERY party and there should have been bomb blasts in as many polling stations as possible in order to derail democracy but even on the election day there was not a single terror related incident on the polling stations (except an attack on ANP office). There has never been shariah in Pakistan so why did thousands of people suddenly decide to wage war against the state 2004 onwards? Clearly our policy in this WoT has been the primary reason in this conflict.
 

usm100

Minister (2k+ posts)
Talibains are killing Pakistanis. And they are terrorist and there is and will be no justification.
 

Democratic

Senator (1k+ posts)
I know that TTP are against democracy but that is not the reason of their armed conflict. During the elections TTP targets were strictly limited to those parties who have supported military operations. If democracy was the real issue then whole scenario would have been different and TTP would have used violence against EVERY party and there should have been bomb blasts in as many polling stations as possible in order to derail democracy but even on the election day there was not a single terror related incident on the polling stations (except an attack on ANP office). There has never been shariah in Pakistan so why did thousands of people suddenly decide to wage war against the state 2004 onwards? Clearly our policy in this WoT has been the primary reason in this conflict.

I have ceded the point that Pakistan's contribution in War against terror is one of the important and vital stimuli behind TTP phenomena. It is also true that Taliban have not waged an all around war with the state just because they don't believe in democracy. Its also not argumentative as to why Taliban have specifically targeted some political parties and have left the other. My question is that when a delegation shall meet Taliban , what shall be the demands that they Taliban shall shall put forth for the truce? Shall they lay down the arms and stop stop attacking the state just for the reason that Pakistan pulls out of WOT and drone attacks are stopped? If not and Taliban put forth the condition of implementation of Sharia , changes in the constitution , uprooting democracy then what shall be the stance of PTI?
 

Mullah Omar

Minister (2k+ posts)
I have ceded the point that Pakistan's contribution in War against terror is one of the important and vital stimuli behind TTP phenomena. It is also true that Taliban have not waged an all around war with the state just because they don't believe in democracy. Its also not argumentative as to why Taliban have specifically targeted some political parties and have left the other. My question is that when a delegation shall meet Taliban , what shall be the demands that they Taliban shall shall put forth for the truce? Shall they lay down the arms and stop stop attacking the state just for the reason that Pakistan pulls out of WOT and drone attacks are stopped? If not and Taliban put forth the condition of implementation of Sharia , changes in the constitution , uprooting democracy then what shall be the stance of PTI?
Change in foreign policy and end of military operations will be their major demand. I don't see any of their other demands being an issue, Pakistans constitution is already considerably islamic so at best it may require minor amendments. As for uprooting democracy I don't think this demand will stand when it comes to negotiating tables, TTP probably has no viable alternative to democracy and to say democracy is unislamic this is debatable. Given the tribal culture laying down of arms is a silly demand so the state should focus on ending the armed conflict and let them keep their weapons. I think PTI is already aware that this type of complete disarmament isn't possible. All in all I think a solution is possible if the government is sincere in solving it.
 

Humi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I don't think he is justifying anything...he was giving a possible reason...there are reasons for all terrorist attacks out there...sure, we do not agree or relate to them...but understanding them might help us solve the problem...
 

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