"Jadeed Tehzeeb Ke Her Cheez Ulti" - Please Must Read Specially Sisters & Modern Aunties

[FaisalKh]

Re: Plz Must Read Specially Sisters & Modern Auntiya

Other than the biological role which is undisputed where has Allah assigned roles to women? please elaborate with qoutes, you will do me a great favor, thankyou.

Assalam o Alaikum May Allah (SWT) forgive me if i m wrong Aameen, a famous Hadith, the nearest meaning of which is that "agar Allah (SWT) ke siwa kisi aur ko sijda jayez hota to mai biwi ko hukum deta ke wo apnay shohar ko sajda karay" Wallahu Aalam. I have replied in another thread that instead of ranting this and that, we should pray to Allah Almighty to increase our knowledge and strengthen our eemaan Aaameen. Instead of asking brother, Why dont u go to some scholar and ask yourself what u wanna know about? I know it is easy to throw questions rather then do some effort and find it urself. U might know very well what parts of body does Islam allow a woman to reveal to others than her husband, so tell me how many women follow it. And when a wife serves her husband, her in-laws etc... she gets reward for it in the form of respect and love and what Allah (SWT) would grant her Allah (SWT) knows best. I hope u would think and read my reply with open mind. Thanks in advance and May Allah (SWT) protect us from wrong doings, increase our knowledge and strengthen our eemaan Aameen

 

[Shariah]

:) pakistani mardoan ka islam ghutnoan se shuru hota hai aur naaf per khatam... in short aurat se shuru and aurat per khatam

(yapping)

tera visa kya lag gaya key tu apni asliat hi bhool gya.

 

[Shariah]

(clap) 100 % agreed. I have also observed the same. You have explained in simple words. In technical terms i will say sex is their favorite topic. We have been taught in school that islam is a complete way of life but common pakistani including mullahs most of the time talk about sex, veil and vulgarity. There are many other evils in pakistan like corruption, killing ,robbery and terrorism. They rarely discuss or raise these issues. Reasons are phychological. I will not go in details.

Here is the detail;
What you have observed is of your(lota party and halva khor) molvis and your friends, get out of that circle and there is a different world.
salaam

 

[adnan_younus]

Idiiots aise hee boltey hein.. visa nahi laga i work in VISA Europe... adnan common naam thaa kuch aur samajh nahi aaya to adnanvisa id bana lee.. jab pakistan mein thaa to adnantps thaa.. tps being my company in pakistan.....

(yapping)

tera visa kya lag gaya key tu apni asliat hi bhool gya.

 

[lotaparty]

Hazrat wala newton sahab, Jee aap ne tau fatwa hee laga diya mujh par.
Let me tell you, i am talking abt. the situation that exists in our colleges, universities and offices and not the hypothetical situation you are talking about.
It would be really gr8 if our women worked in the boundries made by islam. But do they?!? NO, more or less then 95% of our women are without even hijab outside the home, let alone the other issues of them intermingling with males, e.t.c.
IN my class in Alevels none of the girls wore hijab, and 2-3 who did had boyfriends. What is this hypocrisy? I am not blaming her for not donning a hijab or having male friends, but the atmosphere that the parents have given them of riwayati islam, and the role played by the society. ANd without doubt men are to blamed for that, cause Allah has made them incharge of their womenfolk.
In Islam you cant show ur satar,and you know how big a sin it is, so what do you want that we should reach the level of western ***** definition? AUr ****** tau Allah ki inn be parda aurat par hai asal mien, naa key unnn key faail ko bura kehney waaley par.
Besides you know that a womens prayer is better at home, and the best in her room, while mens prayer is not even accepted according to ahadith, if he prays at home nd lives near to a mosque.
This clearly defines the best places for the men and women to be. But if the society really needs the services of some women ( not as receptionists, or male charmers, e.t.c) they are not stopped from going out of thier homes.
The sahaba were the best to understand islam, they even forbade the women from going to mosques. Now what are you talking abt.?

In what part of pakistan do you live? I live in Sialkot and most of the women specially young wear veil.

I also know islam a little bit. Allah prohibits to find faults and pry into others personal life. Don't poke your nose into others personal lives. You had better pay attention to your studies instead counting who has and who has not boyfriends.

Are you jealous?

مجھے ساری سمجھ آ رہی ہے. در اصل تمہیں کسی نے لفٹ نہیں کرائی ہے

And i have a story for you.

Live and Let Live

Enjoy!
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[Shariah]

In what part of pakistan do you live? I live in Sialkot and most of the women specially young wear veil.

I also know islam a little bit. Allah prohibits to find faults and pry into others personal life. Don't poke your nose into others personal lives. You had better pay attention to your studies instead counting who has and who has not boyfriends.

Are you jealous?

مجھے ساری سمجھ آ رہی ہے. در اصل تمہیں کسی نے لفٹ نہیں کرائی ہے

And i have a story for you.

Live and Let Live

Enjoy!
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Salaam
KYA ghalazat likh rahey ho, BHai sahab.
I live in Karachi. Maybe in Sialkot its like that but not in Karachi or Lahore.
You have a nice double policy, on one hand you preach me that its not good to point out evil in others and on the other you have an accusation on me, for which you have no proof. Is that what you have learned in islam. And before that you also had some points against maulvis. And what you pointed out in me is also according to your own mentality, the way you think you judge others.

And I am not finding faults in individuals, we are talking abt a social malady.
The Prophet pbuh had also said(approx. meaning), that if one sees an evil he should try to stop it with his hands, and if he cant with hands then he should stop with his tongue, and if he cant do that also he should think of it as bad in his own heart.
And now if you have an argument, that we should correct ourselves and then correct others. I tell you, the one who says he is correct, is the most corrupt of all. Because the prophetpbuh had said to the sahabas r.a (so approx.) that you all have faults, and the best one of you is he who makes tauba.

And after all to err is human, we are neither Prophets nor Angels. Now my brother if we have faults, that doesn't mean we should let corruption grow. We have to correct ourselves and the society at the same time. And the wisdom in this is, that when we have faults ourselves we will never be haughty in dealing with other ppl.
ANd if in Sialkot its like what you say, then I congratulate you and your people.

 

[Newt0n]

@Shariah ------ Bro, First.... the ***** is not on women, its on men who accuse them.... Secondly, v r not talking about women going to mosque!! dont divert what i said...

U r ryt, tht women shud remain within limits (islamic that is) everyone is saying that and that v shud promote it, so whats the dispute here? it comes with the basic training of ur child.... like u i can also tell stories of women who study in co-edcation but follow their hijab limitations... The case that u r mentioning if someone has friends alright that is not allowed in Islam but it doesnt means u can call every one a ***** like u did in ur previous post for this u have to provide 4 witnesses and thats the rule of Quran... if u cant and u r totally working on assumptions than plz keep them to urself... not every girl who talks to guys has an sexual relation... but yes in Islam it is not allowed... segregation of sexes is needed in Pakistan... (if this is what u r saying than, ok, i m with u)

The men who r incharges are not u plz try to understand this... for ur classmates the men incharge are their spouses, fathers and brothers not u.... u r not the one who shud define their dress codes for them... if their parents are allowing it u cant do anything but to talk to them and tell them whats ryt and whats wrng... unfortunately i have also seen cases in which the women who follows hijab instead of being appreciated they are the ones who are alienated by the group... this is a wrong mental approach...

like i said all of us are forgetting our limits and duties... v r only ordered to lower our gazes the aayats for women are for them to follow (or their incharges could enforce them) but not u... u cud only enforce the same on ur sisters and wife... this is urs and my limit...

 

[lotaparty]

Salaam
KYA ghalazat likh rahey ho, BHai sahab.
I live in Karachi. Maybe in Sialkot its like that but not in Karachi or Lahore.
You have a nice double policy, on one hand you preach me that its not good to point out evil in others and on the other you have an accusation on me, for which you have no proof. Is that what you have learned in islam.

I was not blaming you. I was just kidding.

And before that you also had some points against maulvis. And what you pointed out in me is also according to your own mentality, the way you think you judge others.

What is this???

Besharmi ka gazoo ne iqrar kiya hai

You are way off topic. compare your post with others.

What you are calling evil in my point of view it is not evil at all.

There are also other things that you do not know are very important.

Human Rights
Freedom

People do not like others interfering in their personal lives. They will find you irritating and try to avoid you. Don't worry about the society. You correct yourself it is enough for you.

 

[Shariah]

I was not blaming you. I was just kidding.



What is this???

Besharmi ka gazoo ne iqrar kiya hai

You are way off topic. compare your post with others.

What you are calling evil in my point of view it is not evil at all.

There are also other things that you do not know are very important.

Human Rights
Freedom

People do not like others interfering in their personal lives. They will find you irritating and try to avoid you. Don't worry about the society. You correct yourself it is enough for you.

salaam. I thought we could come into some common terms, but i dont see anything of that sort in my sight.
Sur, You are no one to decide what is enough for me and what not.
And I also very well know how to choose my company.
ANd what you consider evil or not has no value in the sight of anyone,except yourself and btw who are you to make such decisions?!?
Mr. first of all you come up with an accusation against me, then you say you are kidding, and thirdly you are acting like some MR. BIG TALK..Thinking globally, farting.....sorry:lol:....acting locally. And you top it up with an advice for me, as if you are well acquainted with me, or someone with high(actually very low) personal assessment skills.
Well I have an advice for you, khalifa giri chohr dey.
ANother accusation you have against me is that, i am off the topic, as if you with your accusations and third class advices are on BULL'S EYE. applause for you dude(clap):lol:
Go and learn something instead of buckoffying here.(thumbsdown)

 

[Shariah]

@Shariah ------ Bro, First.... the ***** is not on women, its on men who accuse them.... Secondly, v r not talking about women going to mosque!! dont divert what i said...

U r ryt, tht women shud remain within limits (islamic that is) everyone is saying that and that v shud promote it, so whats the dispute here? it comes with the basic training of ur child.... like u i can also tell stories of women who study in co-edcation but follow their hijab limitations... The case that u r mentioning if someone has friends alright that is not allowed in Islam but it doesnt means u can call every one a ***** like u did in ur previous post for this u have to provide 4 witnesses and thats the rule of Quran... if u cant and u r totally working on assumptions than plz keep them to urself... not every girl who talks to guys has an sexual relation... but yes in Islam it is not allowed... segregation of sexes is needed in Pakistan... (if this is what u r saying than, ok, i m with u)

The men who r incharges are not u plz try to understand this... for ur classmates the men incharge are their spouses, fathers and brothers not u.... u r not the one who shud define their dress codes for them... if their parents are allowing it u cant do anything but to talk to them and tell them whats ryt and whats wrng... unfortunately i have also seen cases in which the women who follows hijab instead of being appreciated they are the ones who are alienated by the group... this is a wrong mental approach...

like i said all of us are forgetting our limits and duties... v r only ordered to lower our gazes the aayats for women are for them to follow (or their incharges could enforce them) but not u... u cud only enforce the same on ur sisters and wife... this is urs and my limit...

Salaam.
Sir, I respect your thoughts. But as i said earlier, you are playing the role of a mufti here. You cant pass judgments, you can just ask me as to why did I write that word.
Well, I didnt use it against, the whole women folk, only for those who deserve it, and I have my proof through ahadith for that, for e.g the hadith that forbids women to use perfume in front of na mahram, it follows: It was narrated from Abu Moosa (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a woman puts on perfume and passes by people so that they can smell her fragrance, then she is such and such,” and he spoke sternly - meaning an adulteress. Narrated by Abu Dawood (4173) and al-Tirmidhi (2786); classed as saheeh by Ibn Daqeeq al-Eid in al-Iqtiraah (126) and by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

So, my brother I hope you understand my point. I am accusing no one, only calling a spade, a spade.
We should be just, its not about women or men, The Prophet pbuh had said(approx.) that he wouldn't even stop himself from cutting the hand of Fatima r.a if she committed a robbery. So who are we to question Islam.

 

[wanderer]

This topic is turning around in circles. As always both sides can't seem to reason with the other. Nor can they agree on any one point, IRRELEVANT to the fact that both parties say " sir I understand your point".

What's ironic about this whole discussion or rather silly is, respect women. Everyone has their own "aamal's" to justify and answer. If someone decides to do things / acts that are forbidden (we are talking of sane adults) condemning it ONLY does not solve the solution.

Islam teaches us all of that, ways, words, acts, etc etc . Im sure all agree. If that has been established why is it easy for both MEN and WOMEN to judge and justify verbally, mentally or physically abusing women. If those gentlemen on this forum that wholeheartdly uphold the Islamic point (of how a women should exist) in their discussion or argument VERBALLY abuse them ?? why ??

This discussion will go no where, until and unless those that cushion on Islam for their abuse or those that fly the flag of modernism understand the meaning of Respecting women.
Instead of judging them on why they work, where they work maybe try looking it from their point of view, what could be the reason they are doing what they are doing.

There is always a story behind.....

 

[Newt0n]

@Wanderer ----- Agreed

 

[Shariah]

@Wanderer ----- Agreed

Rafidi kaa tau koi deen nahin hota. Tum apna yeh kazzab aur gustakhana moon sey kiss tarah deeni masail par behns kartey ho.
Idhar aurton ki izzat ki baatien kartey ho, aur doosri taraf ummahat ul mominin hazrat ayesha siddiqa radiallah anha ki shaan me gustakhi aur tauhmatien tumhara deen hai.
Sharam aur haya se tum khali insaan, dushman e asahab e rasool allah pbuh ho.

 

[Newt0n]

Rafidi kaa tau koi deen nahin hota. Tum apna yeh kazzab aur gustakhana moon sey kiss tarah deeni masail par behns kartey ho.
Idhar aurton ki izzat ki baatien kartey ho, aur doosri taraf ummahat ul mominin hazrat ayesha siddiqa radiallah anha ki shaan me gustakhi aur tauhmatien tumhara deen hai.
Sharam aur haya se tum khali insaan, dushman e asahab e rasool allah pbuh ho.

:-) I am beginning to like u, khush raho mere dost.... jo sochna hay socho.... aur behas karni hay to kisi doosray forum per aajao mere bhai. agar aap k dil may koi pareshani hay to insha Allah baat ki jasakti hay....

 

[Shariah]

:-) I am beginning to like u, khush raho mere dost.... jo sochna hay socho.... aur behas karni hay to kisi doosray forum per aajao mere bhai. agar aap k dil may koi pareshani hay to insha Allah baat ki jasakti hay....

Yaani tum apni gandi harkaton ka jawaz pesh karna chahtey ho, koi thread shuroo karo, phir mien tumhey bataoon ga key pareshan kun mamla ziyada kiss ka hai.

 

[Shariah]

ghantey bhar mien tau tum do lines likhtey ho newton sahab, aur baatien tumhari do ropey ki bhi nahin hoti, muqamal waqt ka zaya aur kuch nahin.
bhai mujhey koi shauq nahin hai aap logon se behns karney ka, kiyun key sach baat maantey nahin ho koi argument bus naya ley aatey ho.

 

[Newt0n]

Yaani tum apni gandi harkaton ka jawaz pesh karna chahtey ho, koi thread shuroo karo, phir mien tumhey bataoon ga key pareshan kun mamla ziyada kiss ka hai.

bro.... iss forum per in maamlo ki ijazat nahi hay... isliay hat-ul-imkaan parhaiz kartay hain sub.... aur me on the whole in maamlaat say duur rehta hu... but aap pehlay nahi ho jis say meri baat hui ho in topics per....

 

[Newt0n]

ghantey bhar mien tau tum do lines likhtey ho newton sahab, aur baatien tumhari do ropey ki bhi nahin hoti, muqamal waqt ka zaya aur kuch nahin.
bhai mujhey koi shauq nahin hai aap logon se behns karney ka, kiyun key sach baat maantey nahin ho koi argument bus naya ley aatey ho.

jazbaati mut ho mere dost... abhi say yeh haal hay to aagay ja kar to buhat mushkil hojaye gi... aur abhi to me nay baat shru b nahi ki :).... aap kisi aur site per aajao... orkut per account hay aap ka?

maazrat late reply karnay k liay but me office may hota hu... isliay koi post hoti hay to reply kar k signout hojata hu aur ghar per b kum hi bethta hu... behrhaal aap kisi auur site per aao ya personal message bhejo uss say yeh hoga k agar late reply b karu to kum say kum post gum nahi hogi... and once again, hosla karo thora mere dost....