It's a propaganda war in South Waziristan

[jimpack]

Does India have a role in restive South Waziristan?

Most experts in Pakistan feel talk about India's alleged role in the trouble-torn area is part of a propaganda war being conducted by the Pakistan army, which is feeling the heat in its battle against the Hakimullah Mehsud-led Tehrik Taliban Pakistan.

Many analysts say the Pakistani forces are resorting to the propaganda war through government-run media -- planting news items like 'Indian arms and ammunition, literature, medical equipment have been recovered from Sherwangi near Kaniguram during search and combing operations' -- to crush the Taliban's image across the country.

Rahimullah Yousafzai, the respected expert on Afghanistan and Pashtun affairs, told, "Pakistan claims it has recovered Indian weaponry and medicines from South Waziristan. But I don't believe such reports. There are no such links between India and the Taliban. Even if India supports militancy, it is not foolish enough to leave the evidence."

Pakistanis prefer comparatively cheaper Indian medicines, which are available throughout the country.

"So if medicines are recovered from Waziristan, one cannot say that it is assistance from Indians to the Taliban," says Rahimullah Yousafzai.

"Pakistan," Yousafzai points out, "says there is concrete evidence but India does not agree. Let a third party decide the matter. Instead of the blame game, the issue should be raised at high-level meetings between the two countries."

Discussing the alleged Indian hand in the trouble-torn region, Syed Saleem Shahzad, chief of bureau, Asia Times Online, says, "Having interacted with militants in tribal areas, I can confirm that the Indian involvement is not possible in such areas."

"In fact," Shahzad adds, "after the Mumbai terror attacks last year, senior Pakistani security officials described Baitullah Mehsud and Mullah Fazlullah as Pakistan's assets while briefing foreign journalists. That was published in all the national newspapers. Hence, calling those militants Indian agents is just propaganda, which is essential during such military operations."

Some analysts claim India is trying to win over some militants groups to its side.

Not buying the argument, Syed Saleem Shahzad says, "If that happens, that group will immediately be isolated from the main Taliban. The United States tried that experiment many times and each time it failed."

Asked if the anti-India propaganda campaign in South Waziristan is a ploy to divert attention from the Mumbai attacks, Shahzad adds, "This is simply an exercise to motivate their men to fight against militants. The Pakistan army is trained to fight against India. Only now are they being asked to fight an enemy which was previously its ally."Pakistan's claims about India's involvement could improve the Taliban's image in the country, argues respected Pakistani defence analyst Dr Ayesha Siddiqa.

"If the Pakistan army has concrete evidence of India's involvement in terrorist attacks in Waziristan, then the matter should be taken up at the highest level," she says.

"Claims about India's involvement are aimed at boosting the Taliban's overall image in Pakistan," Dr Siddiqa adds. "Such news will convey the impression that the Taliban is not behind the violence. This is indeed a good public relations exercise. It is also a signal from the Pakistan army to the Taliban that while Islamabad will fight forces which want to damage the Pakistani State, it is not generally against the Taliban."

Meanwhile, the Pakistani military offensive is making headway with the security forces claiming they have killed at least 450 militants and captured several key Taliban bases.

However, sources tracking the Taliban indicate, "The militants are actually withdrawing from some key areas as part of their strategy. In fact, it is a trap -- letting the army in and then beginning a guerilla war."

 

[justab]

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/arrested-militants-raw-afghan-agency-funding-pakistan-terrorism

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sou ... 21401.html

http://pakistankakhudahafiz.wordpress.c ... raw-cheif/

 

[Paki]

IT IS NOT A PROPAGANDA WAR

As you have said that many of analysts refer to the point that India does not have a hand in supporting talibans in Balouchistan. Im afraid you are completely wrong. many of the defence analyst in Pak such as ZAID HAMID and Retd Lt Gen Hamid Gul former (DG ISI) and many others point out that india does have involvment in Balouchistan.

and the expert that you have pointed out does not even belong to any news agency in pakistan, but Syed Saleem Shahzad, chief of bureau belongs to Asia Times Online this agency is is incorporated and duly registered in Hong Kong. so you cannot say that he is an expert from Pakistan. if he wants to write he should respond via news agencies in pakistan

Coming to the point that INDIA's involvment in terrorism . India is supporting talibans in Pak. if not what is the point of india having so many emabassy in Afghanistan.at the bottom of the page is the link of few indian embassies in Afghanistan with their contact so u can even check it if you have any doubts.:) the address



So now what does INDIA have to do with these and on top of that there is and INDIAN core of engineers in Afganistan present which is used by RAW to fund these talibans brain wash the people to go and create menace in pakistan.where does the arms and other equipment Come from? it comes only through border of Afghanistan.

Let me tell you that it was also suggested by the PAK govt that we should mine the border of PAK-Afghanistan but this was not supported by the United States as this would completely not help them portray the Image allegedly with India that PAK is an unsafe country and their Nuclear is unsafe.

Why doesnt the International Media raise the question that Indian Nuclear is unsafe

And here are the reason why indian Nuclear is unsafe

there are Maoist rebels in India who have influence on almost 20 states of india and almost 80,000 tropps have been deployed within India to stop these rebels and at this stage the Indian army is unsuccessful against them where as the pak army is winning the war against talibans.

secondly if you search there was a key indian nuclear scientist who went missing a few days ago as reported by the indian media he knew some important info regarding Indian nuclear programme. What if that falls into the hands of those rebels. the whole world could be unsafe.

All these things are reported by Indian media.you should check this

As of the topic of your post this is not a propganda. please see the pics below how these talibans have treated nationals of our country and army officials who were fighting against them.
if this was a propaganda war then there would not been have circumstance like these

I hope you would have realised that the operation in swat where this happened was completely necessary and is not a propganda and we need to support our GLORIOUS pakistan army and we will win the war against the bastard who are not muslims.


India Indian Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan
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City: Kabul
Phone: 00-873-763095560
Fax: 00-873-763095561
Web Site: http://meakabul.nic.in/
Email: [email protected]


India Indian Consulate in Herat, Afghanistan
Consulate of India in Herat, Afghanistan
Herat, Afghanistan
City: Herat
Phone: 00-873-763095871
Fax: 00-873-763095872

India Indian Consulate in Jalalabad, Afghanistan
Consulate of India in Jalalabad, Afghanistan
Jalalabad, Afghanistan
City: Jalalabad
Phone: 00-873-763096146
Fax: 00-873-763096147



India Indian Consulate in Kandhar, Afghanistan
Consulate of India in Kandhar, Afghanistan
City: Kandhar
Phone: 00-873-763095996
Fax: 00-873-763095995


India Indian Consulate in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan
Consulate of India in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan
Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan
City: Mazar-e-Sharif
Phone: 00-873-763095867
Fax: 00-873-763095858

 

[taggtow]

Pakistani Army is fighting its own people for Dollars. Understand it. ISI directs those bomb blast in city markets to get some more dollars.
These terrorists were created by ISI and Pak Army. Thats a fact. No matter what you write does not change the fact. Even in Wazaristan, Pak Army will not finish the job of clearing Taliban, I bet. They will keep them around to do more bomb blast and other terrorism, so that US will give Pak some more $$$$.

 

[sher_khan]

Does India have a role in restive South Waziristan?

Most experts in Pakistan feel talk about India's alleged role in the trouble-torn area is part of a propaganda war being conducted by the Pakistan army, which is feeling the heat in its battle against the Hakimullah Mehsud-led Tehrik Taliban Pakistan.

Many analysts say the Pakistani forces are resorting to the propaganda war through government-run media -- planting news items like 'Indian arms and ammunition, literature, medical equipment have been recovered from Sherwangi near Kaniguram during search and combing operations' -- to crush the Taliban's image across the country.


Asked if the anti-India propaganda campaign in South Waziristan is a ploy to divert attention from the Mumbai attacks, Shahzad adds, This is simply an exercise to motivate their men to fight against militants. The Pakistan army is trained to fight against India. Only now are they being asked to fight an enemy which was previously its ally."Pakistan's claims about India's involvement could improve the Taliban's image in the country, argues respected Pakistani defence analyst Dr Ayesha Siddiqa.


"Claims about India's involvement are aimed at boosting the Taliban's overall image in Pakistan," Dr Siddiqa adds. "Such news will convey the impression that the Taliban is not behind the violence. This is indeed a good public relations exercise. It is also a signal from the Pakistan army to the Taliban that while Islamabad will fight forces which want to damage the Pakistani State, it is not generally against the Taliban."
Meanwhile, the Pakistani military offensive is making headway with the security forces claiming they have killed at least 450 militants and captured several key Taliban bases.

However, sources tracking the Taliban indicate, "The militants are actually withdrawing from some key areas as part of their strategy. In fact, it is a trap -- letting the army in and then beginning a guerilla war."

I am pretty sure that you have not provided the source of this article because it is most likely from ICP (Indian Crap Press).

Firstly, Pakistan's media is not government run. If you watch a single political show, you will learn that Pakistan's media is hated by the Pakistani government.

Secondly, If you watch any of the political shows or read any articles, you will learn that almost all the analysts point out the indian involvement.

Thirdly, the analysts mentioned in this article have contradicting points of view. Yusufzai thinks that Talibans are not involved in any foreign attacks on the other hand shahzad thinks they are. The article's logic does not even flow.

Fourthly, I am pretty sure that Dr. Siddiqa is misquoted in the article. Her comments posted here seem to be shooting in the dark at best. She is a professional analyst and backs up her comments with evidence. Her mention in the article seems as if she is projecting without credible assumptions. It's very unlike her.


This article is definitely from ICP. What's the source?

Since the author of the article and you respect YusufZai so much, I thought you would like to learn what he thinks of the current situation in India and its democracy in general. Here is one of his articles:



The 'tornado' awaiting India



Tuesday, October 27, 2009
By Rahimullah Yusufzai

"I fear there will be a bloody revolution in India," a retired Indian military officer remarked to this writer and other guests during a recent visit to New Delhi. It was shocking to hear the comment from a soldier, in a country that supposedly had given a voice to its huge population and was believed to be all-inclusive.

It is obvious that India's much-praised democracy hasn't brought any real change in the lives of millions of Indians. That some of the poorest men and women are now up in arms in parts of India is evidence enough that democratically elected governments must do more to provide rights and justice to the rural poor and ensure even-handed development in different parts of the country.

The Naxalite violence in India has caused pain to most thinking Indians. For them it is a matter of anguish that a growing number of Indians are disillusioned with their country's democracy and see no hope of benefiting from India's steady economic progress. They have picked up the gun to fight for their rights.

The Maoist-linked violence is spreading and engulfing new places. The vast region affected by the insurgency include the states of Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Bihar and West Bengal and runs south through Orissa, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh. It is usually called the "Red Corridor" because the leadership for the rebels is provided by communist cadres labelled as Maoists. The Communist Party of India (Marxists-Leninists), despite suffering splits, is still the standard-bearer of the rebels.

According to reports in the Indian media, more than 220 districts in 20 or so states are now affected by Maoist-linked violence. Indian intelligence agencies believe the movement has at its disposal 20,000 armed cadres and over 50,000 regular members. Apart from the rural poor, indigenous tribes such as the Girijans in Andhra Pradesh and Santhals in West Bengal have been flocking to the Naxalite movement. The movement has appeal for the dispossessed and the under-privileged. In the words of its present leader, Mupalla Laxman Rao, in hiding somewhere in eastern India and better known as Ganapathi, his party's influence has grown stronger and it was now the only genuine alternative before the people of India.

The Naxalite movement began as a peasants' uprising in May 1969 in the village of Naxalbari in West Bengal. It was initially led by 49-year-old Charu Mazumdar and its aim was to seize power through an agrarian revolution by overthrowing the feudal order. Mazumdar died in police custody 12 days after his arrest in Calcutta in 1972 and became a hero to Maoist cadres that have increased in number and strength over the years despite splits in the movement. The Naxalite insurgency has sprouted after every defeat and is now stronger than ever.

India's share of the world's poorest people has increased to 39 percent from 25 percent in 1980. In comparison, the Below Poverty Line population worldwide has decreased from 1,470 million to 970 million. There are reportedly 301 million Indians below the poverty line, just 19 million less than in 1983. The Human Development Report by the UN has been ranking India among the lowest 60 or 65 countries in the list of 193 nations that are part of the annual study. India's poor performance on this score was in spite of the around nine percent growth rate in its GDP. There are reports in the media about farmers committing suicide or selling their wives to pay mounting debts. Though the recorded figures of such cases aren't high in a big country such as India with 1.17 billion people, it still indicates the desperate state of certain communities.

India's poor and marginalised groups have on occasions showed their anger through the power of the ballot. This happened in the 2004 and also in the 2009 national elections. The Hindu nationalist BJP tried to seek votes by coining the slogan, India Shining, in the 2004 Lok Sabha elections as part of its claim that its coalition government had brought prosperity during its five-year rule. But the electorate thought otherwise as the majority, particularly the poor and rural voters, the lower castes and minorities hadn't benefited from the progress that had mostly made the rich richer. Their verdict in the polls was against the BJP-led NDA alliance and in support of the Congress and its allies. The Congress won again in 2009 despite the incumbency factor because it was largely seen as the party that cared more for the rights of the poor and the rural voters and was conscious of the concerns of the minorities, particularly Muslims.

However, it is the ruling Congress now that is confronted with the challenge of responding to the needs of India's restless rural poor and tribal communities. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh recently described the Naxalite insurgency as the single greatest threat to India's internal security. Rahul Gandhi, son of Congress head Sonia Gandhi and the rising star of Indian politics, has been focusing on the vast Indian hinterland, visiting the under-developed rural villages and spending nights at the homes of Dalits, often termed the poorest and most oppressed people in the country. This cannot be enough to calm down the Naxalites, who are convinced that only force could win the Indian people their rights.

A showdown between the Indian government and the Naxalites is now imminent. The Congress-led government is mobilising hundreds of thousands of security personnel, mostly police and paramilitary forces, to launch an offensive against the Maoists mostly likely in November. It has ruled out the use of the military, but the operation will be coordinated from New Delhi as part of a central government initiative. Indian analysts and foreigners knowledgeable about India have pointed out that the country lacked a cohesive strategy to deal with the insurgency. The ruling elites have also been criticised for being slow in responding to the needs of the poorest communities, who were then easily recruited by the Maoists.

Such is the hatred of the Naxalites for the ruling elite that their leader Ganapathi, a former schoolteacher, branded Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Home Minister P Chidambaran as "terrorists." In a recent interview at his secret jungle hideout with the weekly magazine Open, he said "the people will rise up like a tornado under our party's leadership to wipe out the reactionary blood-sucking vampires ruling our country." At another point, the 59-year old Ganapathi declared: "Those (government) sharks want to loot the wealth and drive the tribal people of the region to further impoverishment."

By threatening to unleash a "tornado" of violence if the Indian government went ahead with its planned large-scale offensive against his insurgent forces, Ganapathi has made the intentions of the Maoists obvious. Already, his men, and even some women cadres, have carried out actions that are now normally associated with the Taliban. They have kidnapped and beheaded government officials, blown up electricity and telephone towers, destroyed roads and railway tracks, killed political opponents and attacked police stations and other official installations. The offensive against the Naxalites will certainly weaken and deprive them of some of their bases and hideouts, but the issue cannot be resolved by the use of force alone. Many members of the Indian intelligentsia sympathise with the cause of the Maoists and objective analysts see it as an economic issue and one concerning lack of justice. The Indian ruling elite needs to tackle the root-cause of the insurgency instead of applying force through the state apparatus to crush the rebels.



The writer is resident editor of The News in Peshawar. Email: rahimyusufzai@yahoo .com

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=205338

 

[Paki]

oh so now thats all you have to say " army is fighting for dollar" i guess you should understand that whatever you say is not a fact. if you want to prove something you have to provide some evidence. I guess you are not aware of the situation that there is not only 1 type of taliban present in pak. PAK army created the taliban who are still sincere to pak and do not bomb in pak and even if they want to what is the point of killing innocent people women and children. They were used against russians to defend pak thats why they were created.

PAK army was successful in clearing Sawat which provides the proof that wazirstan is not impossible. and for god sake your saying that ISI encourages these bomb blast this surely gives me an impression that you are definately not a pakistani and are among others who provide disinformation as you are our enemies.

what proof hav u got that ISI does these bomb blast?