Is it real ? Please Answer this question regarding "Miracles" in 1965 war.

[samar]

There is NO way to confirm or deny any of these miracles?? All I know is that Islam says 'without confirming if you propagate something it is equivalent to lying'. So better keep quite than lie

yes there is ................ meet those who really participated in the war.............i have already mentioned about it in my previous post.

 

[TruPakistani]

Miracle never happened and will never happen ever. Religions claim miracle to increase popularity and mystery around them. Do you think, moon broke into two pieces? Do you think, Noah gathered all spices on his boat? Do you think Abraham was saved from fire? What about Moses, did the put water of red sea apart? These are mere claim, no reality my friends.

Reality is only little, we will die, and we will shatter in dust of this earth, which is 4 Billions years old. How old are religions? Not more than 4000 years....so there is no match.

:naooz: (omg) Your disregarding the Holy Quran. May ALLAH :subhanahu: bless you with Hidayat.

 

[engr_aarmaan]

assalam o alaikum to all,
some people are saying that you cannot see Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in your Dreams or even if you


see then it might be satan because you cannot recognize our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. Its a very very very big lie. i hate siyasat, i


registered on this website just inorder to correct your people. Alhamdulilah I saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in my dreams four time.


my father also saw him in dreams three times. one of my uncle saw him in dream 2 or 3 times. my aunt, cousin and sister also saw him


in dreams. so now its a very very very big mis-conception that you cannot see our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in dreams now a days. My


father once saw him with all the four companions, i.e Hazrat Abu-Bakar, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali MASHAHALLAH. my


father saw face of our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H very clearly. when i saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H for the first time i recognize him but


still didn't saw his face, i dont how to explain it. but after i awoke i was very very very happy like God has blessed me. my english


is not that good that why i want to explain in urdu plz dont mind. phir kuch weeks bad mai nai Allah sai dua mangi k kash mai bhi


apnai abu ki tarha apnai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.W.W ka chehra daikha pata. kuch months bad mai nai phir apnai Pyarai Nabi S.A.A.W.W ko


khawab me daikha. is bar mai nai kafi kareeb sai daikha unhai. un k sir pai safeed rumal sa tha. mai nai unko salam kia, me un k


bilkul kareeb khara tha, meri height un sai kam thi. magar phir bhi un k noorani chehrai ki taraf daikh nahi paya. mere Allah nai


mere dil ilham daal dia k tumhara eman abhi tumhai abu jinta nahi k unka chehra mubarak daikh pao. us din k bad phi kabhi mai nai


Allah sai unka chehra daikhne ki shikayat na ki. mere abu batatai hain k jub unho nai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.A.W.W ko khawab mai


daikhnai k bad jag gye to un ka jism kamp raha tha, aur kafi phasina a raha tha.


MUJHE BOHT AFSOS HOA K YAHA LOG BOHAT AJEEB AJEEB BATAI KER RAHAI HAIN PYARAI NABI K KHAWAB MAI ANAI K BARAI ME. INKO ALLAH SAI DERNA


CHAHIYE. PEHLAI KISI CONFIRM TO KER LAITAI. APNI TARAF SAI FATWAI JARI NA KARO. ALLAH AP SUB KI ISLAH KARAI, AGAR PHIR BHI NAHI


MANTAI TO ALLAH AP SUBKO DONO JAHANO ME RUSWA KARAI. KYU AP LOG BOHAT BARA FITNA PHELA RAHAI HO.


AGAR KOI SAWAL HO TO MERE EMAIL PAI AP CONTACT KER SAKTAI HO, I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO CORRECT YOUR CONCEPTS REGARDING DREAMS OF


HOLY PROPHET P.B.U.H. [email protected]

 

[engr_aarmaan]

Yeh intahaee afsos ki baat hai keh ham log itna bhi nahi jaante keh saboot kia hota hai aur daleel kis cheez ka naam hai. behs braye behs main qeemti waqt zaaya kiye jaa rehe hen.

Does anyone know what is difference between fact, evidence, proof, witness, theory, argument and explanation? It is because people have no idea what these terms really mean that they keep on going in circles.

Proof is an explanation that explains related facts without any flaws and contradictions. That is all. These facts could be self evident or reported facts. Self evident facts could be witness based or circumstantial.

All explanations that are sensible can only and only be rational and logical. Any baseless jumble of words put together that make no sense due to flaws and contradictions are therefore no proof whatsoever for any claim rather such wording may well disprove the claim instead of leaving the claim unproven.

A proof is only proof because it does not contradict itself nor realities of real world that is why it is proof.

Talking about proof and not taking real world realities in to account means one is talking nonsense.

So we must try and sort out our confusions about terminology. The quran and hadith quotations will make little sense unless we ourselves educate ourselves to make sense of them.

This is why we have problems because our mullahs themselves do not know these terms and they do not teach them either because they lack understanding themselves.

They think they can control people by force of arms rather than power of logic and rationality. It will be foolishness on our part as well if we too did not bother to learn things for our own good.

We must accept that death is death and life is life and the processes, mechanism and phenomena are clear. It is silly to create make beliefs and then try to attribute them to the quran and the authentic hadith. If we can explain the quran and hadith texts logically and rationally then where is sense in turning them deliberately into fiction, myth, mystery and superstition? We may be able to fool the ignorant amongst us at best but all educated and thinking people would know we are talking nonsense and are fooling ourselves at worst.

The quran was sent to bring us out of darkness into light not the other way round. So anything that makes sense is light and anything that makes no sense is darkness. We should head for light not for darkness. Being logical and rational is being enlightened and being illogical and irrational is to be darkened wandering about in blindness and confusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZQyBdTfYo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCSdmi08Z8c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bifu5Hi5Jhw&feature=related

I also had heard all these words before so many times but i have no idea about it because i have never met any of the man who were witnessing all these things but its up to u believe or not.....

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet ??? ???? ???? ???? ????) saying, Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape. Abu Abdullah said, Ibn Sirin said, Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape. (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)

why you give wrong meaning to clear words............
who sees me that is present tense this event happens before the other event which is will see me which is a futre prediction for the one you has seen HIM s.a.w in dream will see him in wakefulness........

if it was for sahaba r.a then it would have been "those who have seen me in wakefulness will see me in dreams" but there is no such condition.............

there is also no such condition that " those who have not seen me in wakefulness cannot see me in dreams".........come up with a single hadyt which says that...

who the hell are you to give wrong meaning to a clear hadyt ?????????????

what about the questions in grave where a glimpse of the holy prophet s.a.w would be shown and the person would be asked can you recognize who this person is ????????

why the angels are asking this question from people who haven't seeen him s.a.w in wakefulness ?????????? answer this

And can you ask me when an ordinary man dies following path of Mohammad s.a.w he is declared shaheed Why ??????????

Why Allah orders us to call a dead person alive ????????? answer this Mr. copy paste

If for that person Allah orders us not to call him/her dead then how dare can you use such word for that person on whose orders they gave their life ????????

jiskey hukam pe jaaan deney se shaheed ho jata he marr kr b zinda ho jata he usko murda keh rahey ho ............ sharam karo.....

us ayat ko ghore se parh lena agar kuch tkleef copy paste k ilava b krtey ho to.

baki tumharee adat he deen me takhreeb kari krna fitna gari phelana in baatoon ka jawab me de chuka hoon lakin tum phir fitna garee kr rahey ho jb b ao gey me yaheeen ho meri jaaan teree ye kalabazian nhi chalaingeee...............

Allah se tauba karo hadyt ko tore maroor k paish krney valey.............kahan "have seen him" likha he ????
tumhain kis ne ikhteyaar diya he hadyt me milavat krney ka????

clearly likha he "will see me in future"""

ore us hadyt ka b jawab do jb qabar me Hazur s.a.w ki shabih dikaee jaey gee ore pocha jaey ga btao ye kon hain ?????

kuch parh k jawab diya karo kionkey yahan copy paste nhi chaley gee!!!!!!!!!

Miracle never happened and will never happen ever. Religions claim miracle to increase popularity and mystery around them. Do you think, moon broke into two pieces? Do you think, Noah gathered all spices on his boat? Do you think Abraham was saved from fire? What about Moses, did the put water of red sea apart? These are mere claim, no reality my friends.

Reality is only little, we will die, and we will shatter in dust of this earth, which is 4 Billions years old. How old are religions? Not more than 4000 years....so there is no match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmr5T9IoGYY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utLK8JAAArg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AIovkxDQ54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEpYVtDpNww

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/talktojazeera/2011/10/2011102813360731764.html

Can you define reality ????

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???? ????? ???? ???? ( 5729 )??

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[HI]such bolo[/HI] [HI]cefspan[/HI] [HI]Pakistani1947[/HI]

There is NO way to confirm or deny any of these miracles?? All I know is that Islam says 'without confirming if you propagate something it is equivalent to lying'. So better keep quite than lie

assalam o alaikum to all,
some people are saying that you cannot see Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in your Dreams or even if you See then it might be satan because you cannot recognize our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. Its a very very very big lie. i hate siyasat, I registered on this website just inorder to correct your people. Alhamdulilah I saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in my dreams four time.

my father also saw him in dreams three times. one of my uncle saw him in dream 2 or 3 times. my aunt, cousin and sister also saw him in dreams. so now its a very very very big mis-conception that you cannot see our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in dreams now a days. My father once saw him with all the four companions, i.e Hazrat Abu-Bakar, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali MASHAHALLAH. my father saw face of our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H very clearly. when i saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H for the first time i recognize him but still didn't saw his face, i dont how to explain it. but after i awoke i was very very very happy like God has blessed me. my English is not that good that why i want to explain in urdu plz dont mind. phir kuch weeks bad mai nai Allah sai dua mangi k kash mai bhi apnai abu ki tarha apnai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.W.W ka chehra daikha pata. kuch months bad mai nai phir apnai Pyarai Nabi S.A.A.W.W ko khawab me daikha. is bar mai nai kafi kareeb sai daikha unhai. un k sir pai safeed rumal sa tha. mai nai unko salam kia, me un k bilkul kareeb khara tha, meri height un sai kam thi. magar phir bhi un k noorani chehrai ki taraf daikh nahi paya. mere Allah nai mere dil ilham daal dia k tumhara eman abhi tumhai abu jinta nahi k unka chehra mubarak daikh pao. us din k bad phi kabhi mai nai Allah sai unka chehra daikhne ki shikayat na ki. mere abu batatai hain k jub unho nai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.A.W.W ko khawab mai daikhnai k bad jag gye to un ka jism kamp raha tha, aur kafi phasina a raha tha.

MUJHE BOHT AFSOS HOA K YAHA LOG BOHAT AJEEB AJEEB BATAI KER RAHAI HAIN PYARAI NABI K KHAWAB MAI ANAI K BARAI ME. INKO ALLAH SAI DERNA CHAHIYE. PEHLAI KISI CONFIRM TO KER LAITAI. APNI TARAF SAI FATWAI JARI NA KARO. ALLAH AP SUB KI ISLAH KARAI, AGAR PHIR BHI NAHI MANTAI TO ALLAH AP SUBKO DONO JAHANO ME RUSWA KARAI. KYU AP LOG BOHAT BARA FITNA PHELA RAHAI HO.
AGAR KOI SAWAL HO TO MERE EMAIL PAI AP CONTACT KER SAKTAI HO, I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO CORRECT YOUR CONCEPTS REGARDING DREAMS OF HOLY PROPHET P.B.U.H. [email protected]

 

[engr_aarmaan]

assalam o alaikum to all,
some people are saying that you cannot see Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in your Dreams or even if you See then it might be satan because you cannot recognize our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. Its a very very very big lie. i hate siyasat, I registered on this website just inorder to correct your people. Alhamdulilah I saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in my dreams four time.

my father also saw him in dreams three times. one of my uncle saw him in dream 2 or 3 times. my aunt, cousin and sister also saw him in dreams. so now its a very very very big mis-conception that you cannot see our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in dreams now a days. My father once saw him with all the four companions, i.e Hazrat Abu-Bakar, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali MASHAHALLAH. my father saw face of our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H very clearly. when i saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H for the first time i recognize him but still didn't saw his face, i dont how to explain it. but after i awoke i was very very very happy like God has blessed me. my English is not that good that why i want to explain in urdu plz dont mind. phir kuch weeks bad mai nai Allah sai dua mangi k kash mai bhi apnai abu ki tarha apnai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.W.W ka chehra daikha pata. kuch months bad mai nai phir apnai Pyarai Nabi S.A.A.W.W ko khawab me daikha. is bar mai nai kafi kareeb sai daikha unhai. un k sir pai safeed rumal sa tha. mai nai unko salam kia, me un k bilkul kareeb khara tha, meri height un sai kam thi. magar phir bhi un k noorani chehrai ki taraf daikh nahi paya. mere Allah nai mere dil ilham daal dia k tumhara eman abhi tumhai abu jinta nahi k unka chehra mubarak daikh pao. us din k bad phi kabhi mai nai Allah sai unka chehra daikhne ki shikayat na ki. mere abu batatai hain k jub unho nai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.A.W.W ko khawab mai daikhnai k bad jag gye to un ka jism kamp raha tha, aur kafi phasina a raha tha.

MUJHE BOHT AFSOS HOA K YAHA LOG BOHAT AJEEB AJEEB BATAI KER RAHAI HAIN PYARAI NABI K KHAWAB MAI ANAI K BARAI ME. INKO ALLAH SAI DERNA CHAHIYE. PEHLAI KISI SAI CONFIRM TO KER LAITAI. APNI TARAF SAI FATWAI JARI NA KARO. ALLAH AP SUB KI ISLAH KARAI, AGAR PHIR BHI NAHI MANTAI TO ALLAH AP SUBKO DONO JAHANO ME RUSWA KARAI. KYU AP LOG BOHAT BARA FITNA PHELA RAHAI HO.
AGAR KOI SAWAL HO TO MERE EMAIL PAI AP CONTACT KER SAKTAI HO, I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO CORRECT YOUR CONCEPTS REGARDING DREAMS OF HOLY PROPHET P.B.U.H. [email protected]

 

[zhohaq]

Total Non-sense and rubbish. Let us put the facts to their real perspective:
a) 1965 war or any other wars with India were never "Jehad Fee Sabil Lillah". We wish
to camouflage it with these sacred words, because we have nothing else. Therefore, the
element of "religion" should be taken out from these conflicts.

b) All wars were for political and territorial and personal agendas of few;

c) 1965 war was started by Pakistan, Operation Gibraltor type of things are no more a secret.

d) This is a myth that Pakistan defeated India in 1965. The reality is written in M.B.Khalid
book "Ten years in Presidency". He was Private Secretary to Presidents;
e) The earth was being withdrawn from beneath our feets in 17 days. There was not even
petrol to run the military vehicles.

f) The economic disaster of this "personally-motivated-war-by few (three)" is immense
the ramifications are still felt.

g) Let us stop once and for all to label everyone the word "shaheed".

h) India planned and took the opportunity and exploited it in 1971. a scar on our face
we shall never eliminate.
These are few but little realities. Let us face them and be realistic. Self-imaginary bravery
is stupidity.
Perhaps many will not like my post, but the fact is fact and spade is a spade.

Thank you first sensible post.
Let me just add:

1/ 5000 volunteers died in Operation Gibraltor and were left at the Mercy of the Indians. Same way our Genrals abandoned our boys in Kargil who later were found with Grass in there stomachs.

2. 1965 was a disaster. C&C Musa Khan was a poor tactition with no strategy. ZAB was the one to nudge Ayub(who was cnfident after Rann of Kutch success) towards Operation Gibraltor and 1965 war and then used Tashkent to gain Mileage.

3. Most of the citiation for Medals and even Nishan e Haider are based on fabricated accounts (e.g Story of Aziz Bhatti)

4. Individual bravery by Individuals working independent from GHQ saved Pakistan from a very humiliating defeat.

5. Most Pak Army Historians agree with the consensus it was a complete failure. Mostly a Military failure.

6. Pak Army in many battle fronts was better armed and had even had Numericle advantages but were let down by shoddy tactics and planing. Indian Army was severly downsized by Nehru. Only after 1962 after Sino-Indian war did they arm. ZAB and other Hawks saw Pakistan losing its advantage and pushed Ayub to go to war. Ayub had not followed the Chinese advise in 1962 to attack Kahmir under US pressure and deeply regretted that decision. Thats why he went along with the lunacy in the end.

7. PAF did perform well a fact acknowledged by Indian authors. And Pakistan had Air superiority due to better training and comparable equipment.

7. All these stories of Miracles etc is pure proparganda.

Here is an Extract from an article by Major Retd HA Rahim in the official publication of the Command and Staff College Quetta, The Citadal No.2/98. So the criticism is very mild. Other srious Historian are far more uncompromising.

1965 War
The 1965 War was a comical affair! Civilians at the foreign ministry assessed that theIndians could be knocked out at the strategic level while soldiers at the highestmilitary level and political level, the president being a soldier were not interested inany military adventure. The civilian hawks led by Bhutto, however, were in leaguewith a group of generals and brigadiers within the army and finally succeeded inpersuading the president(famous for tactical timidity in Burma) into embarking on a military adventure.

Musa the army chief had little strategic insight and was against any military adventure in which he may be forced to exercise his qualities of leadership! Musa had rudimentaryunderstanding of strategy and tank warfare since he was a political choice appointedmore because he was seen as politically no threat rather than for any militarystrategic or operational talent!

The Pakistani offensive plan i.e. a thrust against Indian line of communication at Akhnur in case of a limited war in Kashmir or/and against Indian line of communication between Indian Corps holding Ravi-Sutlej Corridor at Jandiala Guruon Amritsar-Jullundhur road in case of an all out war was brilliant in conception. Thiswas so because if successful any of the two plans would have forced the Indians tosue for peace at best and to surrender at worst. No less an authority than the IndianWestern Command C in C Harbaksh Singh thus confessed “A Blitzkrieg deep into our territory towards the Grand Trunk Road or the Beas Bridgewould have found us in the helpless position of a commander paralysed into inactionfor want of readily available reserves while the enemy was inexorably pushing deepinto our vitals. It is a nightmarish feeling even when considered in retrospect at thisstage”.To the Pakistan Army’s misfortune a plan which was brilliant at the strategic andoperational level failed simply because those who were leading the military machineat the highest level lacked the strategic insight as well as resolution! The firstopportunity was thus missed in Chamb-Jaurian Sector, when even a foreigner i.e.Chinese Foreign Minister visiting Pakistani thought that Akhnur5 was the key!

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The second and most serious operational failure occurred in Khem Karan.This hadmore to do with poor execution at the divisional and brigade level and poor initialhigher organization and composition of troops at the divisional level. The first beingan operational failure and the second being an organizational failure at the highercommand level.At the operational and tactical level three events stand out in the war i.e. the Grand Slam Operation in Chamb-Jaurian, blunting of Indian offensive at Chawinda at Gadgoron 8th September when one lone tank regiment gave a severe mauling to two tankregiments out of a total available Indian force of an armoured division, and a brigadelevel counter attack in Lahore Sector.Grand Slam failed because of change of command! Not because Akhtar Malik was better than Yahya but because one man either Akhtar or Yahya should have conducted the whole operation! The Indians admitted that their position was saved because of the pause of 48 hours, which occurred at Tawi after the Pakistani Chief Musa ordered change of horses in the mid stream!

Now the battle of Gadgor. Technically Gadgor was 24 Infantry Brigade Group versus1st Indian Armoured Division. In reality the contest was 25 Cavalry versus Poona andHodsons Horse since 24 Brigade Commander told Colonel Nisar to “do something”6the vaguest order of 1965 War! Nisar had no idea of what was in front but by autflank the Pakistaniposition! Gadgor was a psychological defeat inflicted on K.K Singh by Nisar with Nisarnot knowing what was in front of him and K.K Singh over estimating three times whatwas really in front of him. Thus in cognitive terms, at Gadgor was a tank regimentcommander who did not know what was in front of him against a tank brigadecommander who was overawed by what he assessed was in front of him and wasreduced into a state of total inertia and indecision. The important factor in this decisive battle was the fact that tangibly K.K Singh had the third tank regiment aswell as three uncommitted squadrons within his two committed tank regiments withwhich he could have easily outflanked Nisar and got to his rear! Nisar had tangibly noreserves with which he could have countered K.K’s outflanking manoeuvre.

The counter attack of Brigadier Qayyum Sher in Lahore Sector was a successfuldivisional battle ordered by Major General Sarfaraz MC and executed by BrigadierQayyum Sher most resolutely! It produced a crisis on the Indian side and threw theIndians off balance! Both retired in the same rank sometimes after the war.

 

[engr_aarmaan]

Dreaming of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) is a very serious and important aspect of Islam. Even some of the Muslim sects are being authenticated indirectly by a dream.
assalam o alaikum to all,
some people are saying that you cannot see Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in your Dreams or even if you See then it might be satan because you cannot recognize our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. Its a very very very big lie. i hate siyasat, I registered on this website just inorder to correct your people. Alhamdulilah I saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in my dreams four time.

my father also saw him in dreams three times. one of my uncle saw him in dream 2 or 3 times. my aunt, cousin and sister also saw him in dreams. so now its a very very very big mis-conception that you cannot see our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in dreams now a days. My father once saw him with all the four companions, i.e Hazrat Abu-Bakar, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali MASHAHALLAH. my father saw face of our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H very clearly. when i saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H for the first time i recognize him but still didn't saw his face, i dont how to explain it. but after i awoke i was very very very happy like God has blessed me. my English is not that good that why i want to explain in urdu plz dont mind. phir kuch weeks bad mai nai Allah sai dua mangi k kash mai bhi apnai abu ki tarha apnai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.W.W ka chehra daikha pata. kuch months bad mai nai phir apnai Pyarai Nabi S.A.A.W.W ko khawab me daikha. is bar mai nai kafi kareeb sai daikha unhai. un k sir pai safeed rumal sa tha. mai nai unko salam kia, me un k bilkul kareeb khara tha, meri height un sai kam thi. magar phir bhi un k noorani chehrai ki taraf daikh nahi paya. mere Allah nai mere dil ilham daal dia k tumhara eman abhi tumhai abu jinta nahi k unka chehra mubarak daikh pao. us din k bad phi kabhi mai nai Allah sai unka chehra daikhne ki shikayat na ki. mere abu batatai hain k jub unho nai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.A.W.W ko khawab mai daikhnai k bad jag gye to un ka jism kamp raha tha, aur kafi phasina a raha tha.

MUJHE BOHT AFSOS HOA K YAHA LOG BOHAT AJEEB AJEEB BATAI KER RAHAI HAIN PYARAI NABI K KHAWAB MAI ANAI K BARAI ME. INKO ALLAH SAI DERNA CHAHIYE. PEHLAI KISI CONFIRM TO KER LAITAI. APNI TARAF SAI FATWAI JARI NA KARO. ALLAH AP SUB KI ISLAH KARAI, AGAR PHIR BHI NAHI MANTAI TO ALLAH AP SUBKO DONO JAHANO ME RUSWA KARAI. KYU AP LOG BOHAT BARA FITNA PHELA RAHAI HO.
AGAR KOI SAWAL HO TO MERE EMAIL PAI AP CONTACT KER SAKTAI HO, I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO CORRECT YOUR CONCEPTS REGARDING DREAMS OF HOLY PROPHET P.B.U.H. [email protected]
We know that there is Sahih Hadith that Only those person could see the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in their dream who had seen him in wakefulness, i.e. in real life. Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) saying, Whoever sees me in a dream will see me in his wakefulness, and Satan cannot imitate me in shape. Abu Abdullah said, Ibn Sirin said, Only if he sees the Prophet in his (real) shape. (Sahih Bukhari Book #87, Hadith #122)

There is no dispute that Satan can not imitate Prophet Muhammad صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). But Satan can disguise into Saint like appearance (anybody other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)). Now tahir-ul-qadri never saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) alive then how can tahir-ul-qadri claim with 100% confidence that he actually saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم)??

Let me explain this topic with an example. Lets assume two scenarios below:

Scenario#1:

During the time when Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) were alive, any Shabi (RA) who knew the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), upon seeing Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his (RA) dream he (RA) could recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) and could say with 100% confidence that he (RA) actually saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream on the basis of Hadith that Satan could not imitate the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Scenario#2:

Now, 1000 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream than his claimed can not be accepted with 100% confidence because that person was unable to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream.

Conclusion:

In Scenario#1, If any Sahabi (RA) saw Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream could declare it with 100% confidence.

In Scenario#2, 1000 years after death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم), if somebody claims that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream then his claim can not be accepted with 100% confidence. He might have seen or might not have seen.

I do not say whoever saw Prophet Muhammad in their dream after the death of Prophet is Kazab. My point is that one can not claim with 100% confidence that he has actually seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream. He might have seen or might not have seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) . Because (say 100 years after the death of Prophet (PBUH)) nobody was able to recognize the face of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). As 100 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) no survivor can claim that he can recognize Prophet Muhammad if he sees him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم). There were no pictures of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) available. Satan can not come in the shape of Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) but Satan can certainly come in the shape of a saint and can make that person believe that he has seen Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream.


Sultan Noor Ud Din Zangi had a dream in which he saw the Prophet asking him to save him (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) from the conspiracy of two men also shown to him in the dream. He saw this dream repeatedly and immediately returned to Medina where scrutiny of the matter ultimately transpired the two persons involved in the conspiracy of removing the body of the prophet. Based upon this incident some people deduct that the person of Muhammad is alive and still guides his ummah through dream.

The corpus of Islamic beliefs and practices is not based upon dreams of ordinary people like the referred Sultan. On the contrary, it is based upon the clear and unadulterated teachings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم).

Thus, if the Qur'anic teachings do not require Muslims to ascribe to the belief of the continuity of the Prophet's life - as they, in fact, do not - then no dream of an individual can render it a belief of Islam.

Furthermore, even Sultan Zangi's argument does not proves that if somebody claims to have seen our beloved prophet Mohammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) in his dream then his claim may be accepted with 100% confidence. In the best interest of Muslim ummah it is better to close this door which often leads to innovation in Shariah, following of fake peer, fake faqeer and fake wali like, Yousuf Kazab.

Reference: http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthread.php?34771-Official-Response-of-Dr.-Tahir-Ul-Qadri-on-Objections-about-his-Dreams!!!&p=168731#post168731

assalam o alaikum to all,
some people are saying that you cannot see Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in your Dreams or even if you See then it might be satan because you cannot recognize our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. Its a very very very big lie. i hate siyasat, I registered on this website just inorder to correct your people. Alhamdulilah I saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in my dreams four time.

my father also saw him in dreams three times. one of my uncle saw him in dream 2 or 3 times. my aunt, cousin and sister also saw him in dreams. so now its a very very very big mis-conception that you cannot see our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in dreams now a days. My father once saw him with all the four companions, i.e Hazrat Abu-Bakar, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali MASHAHALLAH. my father saw face of our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H very clearly. when i saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H for the first time i recognize him but still didn't saw his face, i dont how to explain it. but after i awoke i was very very very happy like God has blessed me. my English is not that good that why i want to explain in urdu plz dont mind. phir kuch weeks bad mai nai Allah sai dua mangi k kash mai bhi apnai abu ki tarha apnai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.W.W ka chehra daikha pata. kuch months bad mai nai phir apnai Pyarai Nabi S.A.A.W.W ko khawab me daikha. is bar mai nai kafi kareeb sai daikha unhai. un k sir pai safeed rumal sa tha. mai nai unko salam kia, me un k bilkul kareeb khara tha, meri height un sai kam thi. magar phir bhi un k noorani chehrai ki taraf daikh nahi paya. mere Allah nai mere dil ilham daal dia k tumhara eman abhi tumhai abu jinta nahi k unka chehra mubarak daikh pao. us din k bad phi kabhi mai nai Allah sai unka chehra daikhne ki shikayat na ki. mere abu batatai hain k jub unho nai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.A.W.W ko khawab mai daikhnai k bad jag gye to un ka jism kamp raha tha, aur kafi phasina a raha tha.

MUJHE BOHT AFSOS HOA K YAHA LOG BOHAT AJEEB AJEEB BATAI KER RAHAI HAIN PYARAI NABI K KHAWAB MAI ANAI K BARAI ME. INKO ALLAH SAI DERNA CHAHIYE. PEHLAI KISI CONFIRM TO KER LAITAI. APNI TARAF SAI FATWAI JARI NA KARO. ALLAH AP SUB KI ISLAH KARAI, AGAR PHIR BHI NAHI MANTAI TO ALLAH AP SUBKO DONO JAHANO ME RUSWA KARAI. KYU AP LOG BOHAT BARA FITNA PHELA RAHAI HO.
AGAR KOI SAWAL HO TO MERE EMAIL PAI AP CONTACT KER SAKTAI HO, I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO CORRECT YOUR CONCEPTS REGARDING DREAMS OF HOLY PROPHET P.B.U.H. [email protected]

 

[sarmadsl]

i can't say anything
but i just want to tell you one thing that Old river jhelum bridge was attacked by indians many times but not even a single bomb hited on bridge and all went to river..........this all thing was seen by thousands of people during war and apparently th reason is that there is Darbar on this bridge and that is said to be many cebturies old and many people tell some very sofi is buried there due to this all happened.during english era when this bridge was being made when they reched near this darbar according to plan this was to be destroyed but some 10 meters before dabar all the machinery got stck and when some offical came to know this he got angry and himself tried to destroy but failed and then a curve was made that is still there and my grand father worked in that constrction so he used to tell this that this is true
ALLAH knows Better

 

[sarmadsl]

assalam o alaikum to all,
some people are saying that you cannot see Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in your Dreams or even if you See then it might be satan because you cannot recognize our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. Its a very very very big lie. i hate siyasat, I registered on this website just inorder to correct your people. Alhamdulilah I saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in my dreams four time.

my father also saw him in dreams three times. one of my uncle saw him in dream 2 or 3 times. my aunt, cousin and sister also saw him in dreams. so now its a very very very big mis-conception that you cannot see our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H in dreams now a days. My father once saw him with all the four companions, i.e Hazrat Abu-Bakar, Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman and Hazrat Ali MASHAHALLAH. my father saw face of our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H very clearly. when i saw our Holy Prophet P.B.U.H for the first time i recognize him but still didn't saw his face, i dont how to explain it. but after i awoke i was very very very happy like God has blessed me. my English is not that good that why i want to explain in urdu plz dont mind. phir kuch weeks bad mai nai Allah sai dua mangi k kash mai bhi apnai abu ki tarha apnai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.W.W ka chehra daikha pata. kuch months bad mai nai phir apnai Pyarai Nabi S.A.A.W.W ko khawab me daikha. is bar mai nai kafi kareeb sai daikha unhai. un k sir pai safeed rumal sa tha. mai nai unko salam kia, me un k bilkul kareeb khara tha, meri height un sai kam thi. magar phir bhi un k noorani chehrai ki taraf daikh nahi paya. mere Allah nai mere dil ilham daal dia k tumhara eman abhi tumhai abu jinta nahi k unka chehra mubarak daikh pao. us din k bad phi kabhi mai nai Allah sai unka chehra daikhne ki shikayat na ki. mere abu batatai hain k jub unho nai Pyarai Nabi Pak S.A.A.W.W ko khawab mai daikhnai k bad jag gye to un ka jism kamp raha tha, aur kafi phasina a raha tha.

MUJHE BOHT AFSOS HOA K YAHA LOG BOHAT AJEEB AJEEB BATAI KER RAHAI HAIN PYARAI NABI K KHAWAB MAI ANAI K BARAI ME. INKO ALLAH SAI DERNA CHAHIYE. PEHLAI KISI CONFIRM TO KER LAITAI. APNI TARAF SAI FATWAI JARI NA KARO. ALLAH AP SUB KI ISLAH KARAI, AGAR PHIR BHI NAHI MANTAI TO ALLAH AP SUBKO DONO JAHANO ME RUSWA KARAI. KYU AP LOG BOHAT BARA FITNA PHELA RAHAI HO.
AGAR KOI SAWAL HO TO MERE EMAIL PAI AP CONTACT KER SAKTAI HO, I WILL TRY MY LEVEL BEST TO CORRECT YOUR CONCEPTS REGARDING DREAMS OF HOLY PROPHET P.B.U.H. [email protected]

yes this is true many people who are infact most luck see these type of deams but many people here just are spreading false things.

 

[aq.inqalabi]

[HI]"Another imprisoned Pilot told: We came to attack Dwarka, weather was clear, situation was perfect but when we reached Dwarka, a heavy cloud suddenly jumped from nowhere and covered Dwarka"[/HI]

This perticular statement is totally wrong I think, because Dwarka is an Indian city then why would Indian pilot would like to attack it ??????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka#IndoPak_War_1965
"Dwarka saw the 1st use of Naval power in any of the Indo Pak Conflict.On the night of September 7 1965 Pakistan Navy launched its assault on Western Indian shores named Operation Somnath (named after a much praised Hindu Idol broken by Afghan Conqurer Mahmud of Ghazni). Dwarka was chosen for its proximity (200 km from Karachi Port. At around 2355 hours, the Pakistani vessels fired over the main temple of Dwarka for more than 20 minutes. The ships fired around 50 shells each. An Indian AirForce Radar Installation, Railway infrastructure, light house, cement factory and barracks of Indian Navy coastal guards were hit and totally destroyed. Pakistani Ships however left the scene undetected."

 

[Smiling Tears]

Follow this link. you can read much about it.

http://spiritual-pakistan-future.blogspot.se/2011/09/spiritual-forces-events-of-1965-war.html

 

[Unicorn]

all true and i know this through anecdotal reference from people who were there in those days as well as some indian soldiers also confessed it which is present in their documents.

Remember it will be ghazwa e hind at the end, not jihad e hind so ghazwa were the battles in which Muhammad pbuh himself participated, rest you can understand.

I heard from Zaid Hamid that horsemen attacked Indian solders. Indian solders shot at them but it had no effect on them therefore Indian solders ran and the horseman stopped at the boundary. The horsemen were respectful of international boundaries. Its just Ayub Khan did not get this information in time. Zaid Hamid must be right.