Is Collective Supplication (dua) after Fard Prayers is Bid`ah?
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ghair-siasi
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non-issue.
khawaja555
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:jazak: yahi sahih he namaz to khud hi dua he is lie dua khatam kar ke phir dua karna? hamare Pakistani muslim is ko nahin samajte sharing ka buht shukria:jazak:
ambroxo
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1) Abu Umama al-Bahili (Allah be pleased with him) narrates: The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was asked as to which supplication (dua) was most quickly accepted? He replied: “In the middle of the night and after the obligatory (fard) prayers.” (Sunan Tirmidhi, 5/188 with a sound (hasan) chain of transmission).
2) Mughira ibn Shu’ba (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to supplicate three times after every prayer. (Recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his Tarikh al-Awsat)
3) Thawban (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), after completing his prayer, used to seek forgiveness from Allah thrice and say: “O Allah! You are peace, from you is peace, You are exalted through Yourself above all else, O Majesty and Beneficence.” (Sahih Muslim, 5/89)
4) Mughira ibn Shu’ba (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), used to say after completing his prayer: “There is no god but Allah, alone without partner. His is the dominion, His is the praise, and He has power over all things. O Allah, none can withhold what You bestow, none can bestow what You withhold, and the fortune of the fortune avails nothing against You.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, 11/133 & Sahih Muslim, 5/90)
5) Muadh ibn Jabal (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to him: “I advise you O Muadh that you don’t leave the following words after every prayer: “O Allah, assist me in remembering you, showing gratitude to you and worshipping you in a good manner.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/115 & Sunan Nasa’i, 3/53)
The above are just some of the narrations that encourage supplicating to Allah after prayers, both obligatory and optional. There are many other such narrations which I have refrained from mentioning, as not to prolong this article.
Raising the hands whilst supplicating
Raising the hands whilst supplicating is also a Sunnah of our beloved Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace). There are general narrations that indicate that the hands should be raised whilst supplicating, and then there are narrations that specifically relate to raising the hands whilst supplicating after prayers.
Some general narrations:
1) Ali ibn Abi Talib (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Raising the hands (whilst supplicating) is from the humbleness, regarding which Allah Most High said: “We inflicted punishment on them, but they humbled not themselves to their lord, nor do they submissively entreat.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi & Mustadrak al-Hakim)
2) Salman (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Verily Allah is inhibited and too beneficent that when an individual raises his hands, He rejects them empty and deprived.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/1105 & Sunan Tirmidhi, 5/217)
3) Malik ibn Yasar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When you ask Allah, ask Him with the palm of your hands, and don’t ask Him with the back of the hands.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/104, & Musnad Ahmad with a authentic (sahih) chain of transmission)
Narrations specific to raising the hands whilst supplicating after prayer:
1) Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “There is not a servant of Allah who raises his hands after prayer, then says: O Allah, my Lord, Lord of Ibrahim, Lord of Ishaq, Lord of Ya’qub, Lord of Jibril, Lord of Mika’il, Lord of Israfil, I ask You that answer my prayer………….except that Allah takes it upon himself not to reject his (raising) of hands empty.” (Recorded by Ibn Sunni in his Amal al-Yawm wa al-Layla, P. 38)
2) Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) saw a person raising his hands and supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his hands until after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)
3) Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) raised his hands after making salam, and then whilst facing in the direction of the Qiblah, he said: “O Allah, …. liberate the weak Muslims from the hands of the non-believers.” (Recorded by Ibn Abi Hatim & Imam Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir)
4) Abu Wada’ah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “The (optional) prayer of the night should be performed in sets of two Rak’ats, meaning you recite the Tashahhud after every two Rak’ah, express devotion and humility in your supplication, raise your hands and say: “O Allah, forgive me”. Whosoever fails to do so, his prayer will be incomplete.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/40 & Sunan Ibn Majah, 1/419)
2) Mughira ibn Shu’ba (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to supplicate three times after every prayer. (Recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his Tarikh al-Awsat)
3) Thawban (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), after completing his prayer, used to seek forgiveness from Allah thrice and say: “O Allah! You are peace, from you is peace, You are exalted through Yourself above all else, O Majesty and Beneficence.” (Sahih Muslim, 5/89)
4) Mughira ibn Shu’ba (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), used to say after completing his prayer: “There is no god but Allah, alone without partner. His is the dominion, His is the praise, and He has power over all things. O Allah, none can withhold what You bestow, none can bestow what You withhold, and the fortune of the fortune avails nothing against You.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, 11/133 & Sahih Muslim, 5/90)
5) Muadh ibn Jabal (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said to him: “I advise you O Muadh that you don’t leave the following words after every prayer: “O Allah, assist me in remembering you, showing gratitude to you and worshipping you in a good manner.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/115 & Sunan Nasa’i, 3/53)
The above are just some of the narrations that encourage supplicating to Allah after prayers, both obligatory and optional. There are many other such narrations which I have refrained from mentioning, as not to prolong this article.
Raising the hands whilst supplicating
Raising the hands whilst supplicating is also a Sunnah of our beloved Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace). There are general narrations that indicate that the hands should be raised whilst supplicating, and then there are narrations that specifically relate to raising the hands whilst supplicating after prayers.
Some general narrations:
1) Ali ibn Abi Talib (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Raising the hands (whilst supplicating) is from the humbleness, regarding which Allah Most High said: “We inflicted punishment on them, but they humbled not themselves to their lord, nor do they submissively entreat.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi & Mustadrak al-Hakim)
2) Salman (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Verily Allah is inhibited and too beneficent that when an individual raises his hands, He rejects them empty and deprived.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/1105 & Sunan Tirmidhi, 5/217)
3) Malik ibn Yasar (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When you ask Allah, ask Him with the palm of your hands, and don’t ask Him with the back of the hands.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/104, & Musnad Ahmad with a authentic (sahih) chain of transmission)
Narrations specific to raising the hands whilst supplicating after prayer:
1) Anas ibn Malik (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “There is not a servant of Allah who raises his hands after prayer, then says: O Allah, my Lord, Lord of Ibrahim, Lord of Ishaq, Lord of Ya’qub, Lord of Jibril, Lord of Mika’il, Lord of Israfil, I ask You that answer my prayer………….except that Allah takes it upon himself not to reject his (raising) of hands empty.” (Recorded by Ibn Sunni in his Amal al-Yawm wa al-Layla, P. 38)
2) Abdullah ibn Zubayr (Allah be pleased with him) saw a person raising his hands and supplicating before he completed his prayer. When he ended his prayer, he said to him: “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) never used to raise his hands until after completing his prayer.” (Recorded by Tabrani in his al-Mu’jam, and authenticated by al-Haythami in Majma’ al-Zawaid)
3) Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) raised his hands after making salam, and then whilst facing in the direction of the Qiblah, he said: “O Allah, …. liberate the weak Muslims from the hands of the non-believers.” (Recorded by Ibn Abi Hatim & Imam Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir)
4) Abu Wada’ah (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “The (optional) prayer of the night should be performed in sets of two Rak’ats, meaning you recite the Tashahhud after every two Rak’ah, express devotion and humility in your supplication, raise your hands and say: “O Allah, forgive me”. Whosoever fails to do so, his prayer will be incomplete.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, 2/40 & Sunan Ibn Majah, 1/419)
insaf-seeker
Minister (2k+ posts)
Very well explained!! Jazak Allah for sharing
Amna_Amo
Councller (250+ posts)
as long as ppl remain in darkness their job is to bring ppl in out of that darkness
khawaja555
Councller (250+ posts)
swal haath uthaane ya na uthaane ka nahin main adab se guzarish karta hoon swal ye he kia NABI-E-KAREEMpbuh ne namaz ke baad dua nahi kee jaisa ke aam tor par Pakistan me log namaz ke baad dua karte hain jo sahi nahin agar koi sahi baat ki taraf bulaye to momin ko maan lena chahie :jazak:
ambroxo
Minister (2k+ posts)
to phir dusroon ko kiun is ki takeed farmayi ..ager khud ap aysa nahi kartay thy ?
1) Abu Umama al-Bahili (Allah be pleased with him) narrates: The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was asked as to which supplication (dua) was most quickly accepted? He replied: “In the middle of the night and after the obligatory (fard) prayers.” (Sunan Tirmidhi, 5/188 with a sound (hasan) chain of transmission).
1) Abu Umama al-Bahili (Allah be pleased with him) narrates: The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was asked as to which supplication (dua) was most quickly accepted? He replied: “In the middle of the night and after the obligatory (fard) prayers.” (Sunan Tirmidhi, 5/188 with a sound (hasan) chain of transmission).
khawaja555
Councller (250+ posts)
agar main is lie aap ko jawab doon ke aap lajawab ho jain to mera ye maqsad nahin na hi me aalim hoon main koshish karta hoon ke jo main ne kaha us ka pas manzar kia he piyare bhai jab muslim namaz parte hain to wo haath utha kar ye zahir karte hain ke main dunya ko is waqt chor raha hoon aur ALLAH ke hazur main paysh ho raha hoon namaz ke baare main kaha gia he ke aise pari jaye ke aap ye mahssos karen ke aap ALLAH ko dekh rahe hain ya ALLAH aap ko dekh raha he yahi waq dua ka he salam phairne ke baad aap kehte hain main dunya main phir wapis aa gia hoon us waqt dua ka ziada faida he jab tak ek insan ALLAH ke darbar me he pata nahin me apni baat sahi tara keh saka hoon ya nahin ALLAH TALA sab ko sahi rasta sahi baat samajne ki tofiq ata farmaye(amen)
ambroxo
Minister (2k+ posts)
mujay bhi ap ko lajawab nahi karna
main nay saboot kay sath cheezain post kar di hain .. ager chatay hain to or bi kar skta hoon, baki zair hay apki marzi ... zara aik dafa ghor say par lain bus yahi darkhost hay
Erfurt ki masjid main aik slafi alim sahib ay sham say tashreef lay, un say mulaqat hoi, wo yah bat man gy thay kah her nimaz kay bad dua jaiz hay
aik baat zaror apko bata doon,is waqt Alhamdolillah pakistan kay madaris mian jitna ilm isteza kay pass hay, itna puri dunia main or kahin nahi hay, our us ki waja hay, kah jo tahqeeq arab main hoti wo bi wahan ponch jati hay, lakin pakistan say koi cheez translate ho kar arab main nahi jati
main nay saboot kay sath cheezain post kar di hain .. ager chatay hain to or bi kar skta hoon, baki zair hay apki marzi ... zara aik dafa ghor say par lain bus yahi darkhost hay
Erfurt ki masjid main aik slafi alim sahib ay sham say tashreef lay, un say mulaqat hoi, wo yah bat man gy thay kah her nimaz kay bad dua jaiz hay
aik baat zaror apko bata doon,is waqt Alhamdolillah pakistan kay madaris mian jitna ilm isteza kay pass hay, itna puri dunia main or kahin nahi hay, our us ki waja hay, kah jo tahqeeq arab main hoti wo bi wahan ponch jati hay, lakin pakistan say koi cheez translate ho kar arab main nahi jati
Yeah, this is the most serious issue facing the muslim ummah today - good luck being stuck in trivial matters - enjoy!
I did not say what you are saying. Dua mangoo apnay rab say direct, and everytime, before prayer
after prayer, walking, working etc. etc. I do not know why you drew that conclusion from my post???
Assalaamualaikum wrwb. brother brox.....what you have quoted are the Azkaar which are told by our Holy prophit SAW ,and these are the azkaar which each and every muslim does after praying Farz salaat, as told by our holy prophit saw in many ahaadeeth,some of which you have quoted here.
And these Azkaar are done individually not collectivelly or togather by all prayees(namaazees).please consult books of Ahaadeeth,you have written Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to supplicate three times after every prayer. (Recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his Tarikh al-Awsat)
this shows this supplication was individually not collective.
check out other Ahaadeeth and We are asked to do these azkaar .
Now come to matter of collective dua or ijtamaaee dua.
We will do it or consider it if this is done by our holy prophit saw and you will see that this is found very less in the life of our holy prophit saw.
like there are some ahaadeeth that some one asked Holy prophit saw after farz prayer to offer dua for rain then this dua was done collectively.and this is right methode to offer collectively dua.like if im sick ill ask imam after farz prayer that please offer dua for all sick people and then its right of imam to offer ijtamaaee dua.
otherwise every person can individually make dua after azkaar.
now a days this biddat is very common in most of masjids that after each farz sallaat all people including imaam just raise hands just after salaam and offer dua.
which was not done by our holy prophit saw and most of the people dont do azkaar which are told by our holy prophit saw and which have great values and which should be done just after sallaam.
JazzakAllahu khair for reading my points may Allah give us all hadaya and unerstanding of our religioun aameen
And these Azkaar are done individually not collectivelly or togather by all prayees(namaazees).please consult books of Ahaadeeth,you have written Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to supplicate three times after every prayer. (Recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his Tarikh al-Awsat)
this shows this supplication was individually not collective.
check out other Ahaadeeth and We are asked to do these azkaar .
Now come to matter of collective dua or ijtamaaee dua.
We will do it or consider it if this is done by our holy prophit saw and you will see that this is found very less in the life of our holy prophit saw.
like there are some ahaadeeth that some one asked Holy prophit saw after farz prayer to offer dua for rain then this dua was done collectively.and this is right methode to offer collectively dua.like if im sick ill ask imam after farz prayer that please offer dua for all sick people and then its right of imam to offer ijtamaaee dua.
otherwise every person can individually make dua after azkaar.
now a days this biddat is very common in most of masjids that after each farz sallaat all people including imaam just raise hands just after salaam and offer dua.
which was not done by our holy prophit saw and most of the people dont do azkaar which are told by our holy prophit saw and which have great values and which should be done just after sallaam.
JazzakAllahu khair for reading my points may Allah give us all hadaya and unerstanding of our religioun aameen
Amna_Amo
Councller (250+ posts)
just read Quran with translation and you will find the reference about suppication.... and one thing there is a huge difference between prayer and supplication....
prayer is Fard and supplication is the key of prayer.......
for your consideration... read Surah, Ibraheem, Baqarah, Imran, Ina'am and many more........
(i have one question to all scholars those say that prayer is supplication.......... if prayer is supplication then why prayer is Fard?)
