IPHONE 6 is an Atheist

[دوسرا_سوال]

A little correction. Atheists do not believe in a God or Gods or Prophets. Not because they cannot "see" them. It is because there is no Proof, theoretical or anything measurable. The argument is a very basic one, Some people don't want to Believe, they want to Know.

So well put.

 

[دوسرا_سوال]

خدا کو سائنس کے اصولوں سے پروو یا ڈس پروو کرنا تو ایک نان ٹریوییل ایکسرسائز ہے، کیونکے سائنس اس پورے کائناتی ڈیزائن کا سب سیٹ ہے - میں تم سے کہتا ہوں کے تم مجھے صرف یہ ثابت کر دو کے ایک اور ایک جمع کریں تو دو ہوتے ہیں. شاباش

اور دوسرے بے شرم کو بھی بے شک اس مہم میں شامل کر لو

ha ha.

If 'iman bin ghaib' satisfies you then good for you. I've no problem with that. You've every right to believe in anything.

Problem arises when you come up with illogics like 'subset' or 1 + 1 = 2 can't be proven. Then clearly someone will call you out for peddling subjective poetry as facts.

Just don't do that. Just say you want to believe in Allah no matter what. No one will stop you. No one will criticise you. No one will have a problem with you.

 

[RustamShah]

غلیظ جانور تو پہلے بھی قرآن اور احادیث کی غلط ٹرانسلیشن یہاں پیش کر چکا ہے بلکے تم غلیظ ترین جانوروں سے بھی بد تر ہو. الله کو نہ ماننے کے بعد اخلاقیات کی تو اہمیت رہ نہی جاتی. حدیث جو تم نے قوٹ کی ہے میں اوتھ دوسروں کے ساتھ وعدہ کرنا نہی بلکے قسم کھانا ہے. یہنی کوئی قسم کھاے کے میں آج کے بعد یہ کام نہی کروں گا. اور اس سے بہتر بات سامنے آ جاے تو کہا گیا ہے کے وہ اپنی قسم توڑ دے اور وہ بہتر چیز اختیار کرے. اور قسم توڑنے کا کفارہ ادا کرے

اہ ہو بیچارہ صبح صبح کریلوں کا ناشتہ کرکے آجاتا ہے، پتر جلیبیاں کھا لیا کر دودھ کے ساتھ تو کچھ افاقہ ہو جائے گا.

ہاں کل تو مجھے کہے میں وعدہ کرتا ہوں کے انسانیت کی عزت کروں گا اور ہر شخس کو انسان سمجھوں گا، قتل و غارت گری سے پرہیز کروں گا اور جو جس جس بھی مذہب کا پیرو کار ہوا، میں اسکی عزت کروں گا، پھر اچانک تجھے الہام ہو کے نہیں نہیں کافروں کو تو مارنا جائز ہے، تو کہنا، ہاں میں نے اپنا وعدہ توڑ دیا ہے کیوں کے مجھے ایک اچھی چیز کی آمد ہوئی ہے.

جیسا دوسرا_سوال نے کہا، تم نے جو کرنا ہے کرو، ہم نے جو کرنا ہے وہ ہم کریں گے، برداشت ہوتا ہے تو کرو، ورنہ ڈگڈگی سے کھیلو.

 

[RustamShah]

ha ha.

If 'iman bin ghaib' satisfies you then good for you. I've no problem with that. You've every right to believe in anything.

Problem arises when you come up with illogics like 'subset' or 1 + 1 = 2 can't be proven. Then clearly someone will call you out for peddling subjective poetry as facts.

Just don't do that. Just say you want to believe in Allah no matter what. No one will stop you. No one will criticise you. No one will have a problem with you.

دوسرے_سوال سے دوسرا_بےشرم ؟ اچھا ہے

:lol:

 

[عام آدمی]

If you think you are a firm believer that a God exists then please before you explain all the complexities around the world, explain why there is a God and then provide some evidences that its Allah ?

Thanks and all the best.

God exists or not.

This question does not matter for many people to continue their routine full of struggle life.

People who happen to be caught by this question find the answer in philosophy and logic rather than in religion or science.

Existence can't be proven and so the non-existence, but when a wandering mind looks around, much in this world seem subject to cause and effect. How come this huge, complex and balanced universe is without any cause or effort. So believing on any abstract force or supreme power is quite logical one.

 

[RustamShah]

God exists or not.

This question does not matter for many people to continue their routine full of struggle life.

People who happen to be caught by this question find the answer in philosophy and logic rather than in religion or science.

Existence can't be proven and so the non-existence, but when a wandering mind looks around, much in this world seem subject to cause and effect. How come this huge, complex and balanced universe is without any cause or effort. So believing on any abstract force or supreme power is quite logical one.

I know what you trying to say and I am glad you can believe what ever you like believe, I have no issues with that. In my view the answer is more complex then simple explanation of cause and effects, I would like you watch this, if you have time, may be it may help you to understand few things. Thanks for your time and reply, really appreciated.

 

[dilavar]

ha ha.

If 'iman bin ghaib' satisfies you then good for you. I've no problem with that. You've every right to believe in anything.

Problem arises when you come up with illogics like 'subset' or 1 + 1 = 2 can't be proven. Then clearly someone will call you out for peddling subjective poetry as facts.

Just don't do that. Just say you want to believe in Allah no matter what. No one will stop you. No one will criticise you. No one will have a problem with you.

بھائی تو پروو کر دو نا - مینے تم لوگوں سے مسلہ فیصہ غورس تو ثابت کرنے کو نہی کہا. تمھارے لیول کی چیز پوچھی ہے ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

 

[dilavar]

I know what you trying to say and I am glad you can believe what ever you like believe, I have no issues with that. In my view the answer is more complex then simple explanation of cause and effects, I would like you watch this, if you have time, may be it may help you to understand few things. Thanks for your time and reply, really appreciated.

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[عام آدمی]

I know what you trying to say and I am glad you can believe what ever you like believe, I have no issues with that. In my view the answer is more complex then simple explanation of cause and effects, I would like you watch this, if you have time, may be it may help you to understand few things. Thanks for your time and reply, really appreciated.

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[ZenoInTheZoo]

Zeno ji, really, why are you wasting yours and our energies ? :)

All of your Pseudo-scientific-intellectual-knowledge is not making any sense and more you drag this nonsense further, it will be more confusing, do us all a favor, keep the rule of KISS maintained all the time, meaning, Keep It Simple Stupid.

I am a simple person, please be simple with me and answer few simple questions.

If you think you are a firm believer that a God exists then please before you explain all the complexities around the world, explain why there is a God and then provide some evidences that its Allah ?

Thanks and all the best.

I knew sooner or later you would jump in and come to the help/rescue of your protege.......because it was/is too tempting and and sitting on the ring-side was unbearable.

BTW who are these 'our'? I was just talking to Sawal.....

But you step in on a wrong foot......you started by indirectly calling me a stupid...........this is not the best of ways to start a dialogue, especially when the sole purpose is to increase understanding of respective positions.........at least for me it is that way.

The other wrong of your entry is that its heavily opinionated....oozing with a clear bias when you say "your Pseudo-scientific-intellectual-knowledge is not making any sense and more you drag this nonsense". This is what your rationalism is all about? This is how you start a dialogue?

You have already gone through all of my posts on this thread, can you find a single instance where I was derogatory or opinionated about or called any name to my
opponent?

Would you like to apologize for both the wrongs? Once you do that, then we shall start on the points you raised........

Sawal: If you are reading this, I'll come back on your post, hopefully tomorrow...

 

[Ali raza babar]

atheists outrightly refute the existence of god and to support their argument cite the absence of any visual proof of god. agnostics do not outrightly reject the existence of a god even in the absence of visual proof

Visual Proof? Bloody Idiots , cant even see their own wifi they are using and want to see GOD ............ Wow , Just WOW.......
Visual Proof , Buaahahhahahah.

 

[دوسرا_سوال]

I knew sooner or later you would jump in and come to the help/rescue of your protege.......because it was/is too tempting and and sitting on the ring-side was unbearable.

BTW who are these 'our'? I was just talking to Sawal.....

But you step in on a wrong foot......you started by indirectly calling me a stupid...........this is not the best of ways to start a dialogue, especially when the sole purpose is to increase understanding of respective positions.........at least for me it is that way.

The other wrong of your entry is that its heavily opinionated....oozing with a clear bias when you say "your Pseudo-scientific-intellectual-knowledge is not making any sense and more you drag this nonsense". This is what your rationalism is all about? This is how you start a dialogue?

You have already gone through all of my posts on this thread, can you find a single instance where I was derogatory or opinionated about or called any name to my
opponent?

Would you like to apologize for both the wrongs? Once you do that, then we shall start on the points you raised........

Sawal: If you are reading this, I'll come back on your post, hopefully tomorrow...

No problem sir.

And... Hey! Everybody, please extra respect for @ZenoInTheZoo - for (1) he always talks with utmost respect to everyone, even people younger than him and (2) well, because he is a nice guys and (3) he talks very much like my dad does, and just for that I respect him more (even though I bitterly disagree with me dad too, just like with @Zeno)...

 

[دوسرا_سوال]

Visual Proof? Bloody Idiots , cant even see their own wifi they are using and want to see GOD ............ Wow , Just WOW.......
Visual Proof , Buaahahhahahah.

Firstly, this and then this.

Who's the bloody something-something now?

 

[Ali raza babar]

Firstly, this and then this.

Who's the bloody something-something now?

Its not the Real Wifi dumbo , It re produced Colored Patterns to make a Visual Experience , Wifi is not in Visible Light Band.......... Ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

What and who am i talking to ............

Summing up ,

Anything outside the visual light band is INVISIBLE. you can SEE ONLY VISIBLE LIGHT......

 

[دوسرا_سوال]

Its not the Real Wifi dumbo , It re produced Colored Patterns to make a Visual Experience , Wifi is not in Visible Light Band.......... Ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

What and who am i talking to ............

Summing up ,

Anything outside the visual light band is INVISIBLE. you can SEE ONLY VISIBLE LIGHT......

:doh:

Right, so your God (supposing that Muslim God is that ultimate truth) created such 'perfect' beings that can only see between 390 - 700 nanometers of wavelengths only and are blind in all other ranges, and you're somehow calling out Atheists / Agnostics for that?

:doh: :doh: :doh:

 

[Ali raza babar]

:doh:

Right, so your God (supposing that Muslim God is that ultimate truth) created such 'perfect' beings that can only see between 390 - 700 nanometers of wavelengths only and are blind in all other ranges, and you're somehow calling out Atheists / Agnostics for that?

:doh: :doh: :doh:

Look son , Its not My God or the God or Muslim God, I just call HIM for the sake of my own convenience , He does not fit in any Gender nor Any specifications.
Secondly He didnt make us Perfect.

I really Pity the Atheists specially , so hell bent , on the denial of the Creator , And they cant even explain Why Grass grows or When and HOW it first Grew?

And supposedly they are at the cutting edge of technology? And cant Replicate an ACCIDENT that happened Millions of years ago when a single Life Form just Happened?

Tell me something. We have created Artificial Black holes in CERN , Yet , why cant we Create a SINGLE LIVING ORGANISM out of NOTHING. ?

Han?

 

[badmaash kantutta]

The idiots who have made this video, just check them out, they most surely used an Apple computer to compile and film the animation, and are proud owners of Atheist phone,.[hilar]

 

[RustamShah]

دوست میں کوشش کرونگا ویڈیو دیکھنے کی، مگر آپکے کیپ اٹ سمپل اصول کا تقاضا یہ تھا کہ آپ اس ویڈیو کا معافی الضمیر اپنے الفاظ و خیالات کے ذریعے بیان کرتے، میرے خیال میں اخلاص کا تقاضہ یہ ہے کہ سوال بندے کے اپنے ہوں اور جواب بھی اپنے ہوں

دوست اسی بات کو ذھن میں رکھ کر آپکو یہ ویڈیو دیکھنے کا کہا تھا، وہ کہتے ہیں نا کے تصویر ہزار الفاظ سے بہتر ہوتی ہے، سو آپ سے کہا دیکھ لیں، مجھ سے اچھا بیان کردیا ہے موصوف نے خود.

مجھے پوری امید ہے کا جب اسکو دیکھ لیں گے کے تو کچھ سوالوں کا جواب مل جائے گا، اب آپ ان سے متفق ہوتے ہیں یا نہیں، یہ آپ
پر منحصر ہے.

 

[RustamShah]

I knew sooner or later you would jump in and come to the help/rescue of your protege.......because it was/is too tempting and and sitting on the ring-side was unbearable.

BTW who are these 'our'? I was just talking to Sawal.....

But you step in on a wrong foot......you started by indirectly calling me a stupid...........this is not the best of ways to start a dialogue, especially when the sole purpose is to increase understanding of respective positions.........at least for me it is that way.

The other wrong of your entry is that its heavily opinionated....oozing with a clear bias when you say "your Pseudo-scientific-intellectual-knowledge is not making any sense and more you drag this nonsense". This is what your rationalism is all about? This is how you start a dialogue?

You have already gone through all of my posts on this thread, can you find a single instance where I was derogatory or opinionated about or called any name to my
opponent?

Would you like to apologize for both the wrongs? Once you do that, then we shall start on the points you raised........

Sawal: If you are reading this, I'll come back on your post, hopefully tomorrow...

I am happy you replied ! Just to clear the record, I don't think that you are stupid, you just need some attention time to time, that's all. Nothing wrong with it. I wish you all the best.

 

[دوسرا_سوال]

Look son , Its not My God or the God or Muslim God, I just call HIM for the sake of my own convenience , He does not fit in any Gender nor Any specifications.
Secondly He didnt make us Perfect.

I really Pity the Atheists specially , so hell bent , on the denial of the Creator , And they cant even explain Why Grass grows or When and HOW it first Grew?

And supposedly they are at the cutting edge of technology? And cant Replicate an ACCIDENT that happened Millions of years ago when a single Life Form just Happened?

Tell me something. We have created Artificial Black holes in CERN , Yet , why cant we Create a SINGLE LIVING ORGANISM out of NOTHING. ?

Han?

First of all, most of your questions are wrong, for example, asking why grass grows is as silly as asking why blue is not yellow.

And secondly, not having the answer to all of you childish questions and some examples of black holes, doesn't mean we throw caution to wind and just start believing in man-made fiction (aka religion) willy nilly.

All Atheists / Agnostics say is to believers is to bring a valid scientific proof of their claims. But it seems like believers are more worried about retro-fitting an obsolete myth to proven science just to seek some validation of some sort.

One thing I've noted talking about such topics over the years is that people, on either side of the debate, who through CERN randomly into this kind of conversation are just hopeless and they do so just for the sake of name-throwing, rather than anything else.