IPHONE 6 is an Atheist

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Liberal.Punjabi

Senator (1k+ posts)
why do imbeciles make such videos which do not serve the purpose. the crux of the argument of atheists is that they do not believe in a god because nobody can see god. seeing is believing for them. steve jobs can be seen but not god
 
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Liaqat Hussain

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Liberal.Punjabi said:
why do imbeciles make such videos which do not serve the purpose. the crux of the argument of atheists is that they do not believe in a god because nobody can see god. seeing is believing for them. steve jobs can be seen but not god
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Atheists do not believe in a god. What you are referring is called agnostic as far I understand. Agnostics say that we won't believe it unless we see a proof until then we have an open mind
 
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Liberal.Punjabi

Senator (1k+ posts)
Bleed Green said:
Atheists do not believe in a god. What you are referring is called agnostic as far I understand. Agnostics say that we won't believe it unless we see a proof until then we have an open mind
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atheists outrightly refute the existence of god and to support their argument cite the absence of any visual proof of god. agnostics do not outrightly reject the existence of a god even in the absence of visual proof
 
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cms123

Minister (2k+ posts)
Bleed Green said:
Atheists do not believe in a god. What you are referring is called agnostic as far I understand. Agnostics say that we won't believe it unless we see a proof until then we have an open mind
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What is Atheist or agnostics mean.........being atheist and agnostics are run away arguments.........
 
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k.a.kiani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Ask athiest one questions
do you deny existence of God
they will say yes
then tell them why they have to deny existence of someone who don't even exist

fact of the matter is God is biggest reality of human beings and 90% of the world still believe that there is God in one way or other. I think this is biggest proof of God existence.
 
jangjoo786

jangjoo786

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Let's name this atheist Fone.
but before naming,we should determine its gender.
so.........
if it is a male ,then we should call him mr najam sethi.
if it is a female,then she is asma Jehangir.
both are the fuel of fire in HELL ,IN SHA ALLAH.
 
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دوسرا_سوال

Minister (2k+ posts)
Liberal.Punjabi said:
why do imbeciles make such videos which do not serve the purpose. the crux of the argument of atheists is that they do not believe in a god because nobody can see god. seeing is believing for them. steve jobs can be seen but not god
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Bleed Green said:
Atheists do not believe in a god. What you are referring is called agnostic as far I understand. Agnostics say that we won't believe it unless we see a proof until then we have an open mind
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Guys, your curiosity is genuinely appreciable. As the resident 'mulhid' of this forum let me respectfully add on to your understandings...

First, read a bit about what defines as being an Atheist, by reading here, and then what being an Agnostic is by reading here.

Then, without throwing a childish-brainwashed-tantrum or emotionally blowing up like some kind of intellectual-suicide-bomber, try to think why such concepts need to exist.

Atheism and Agnosticism are broad concepts and try to understand what they mean rather than just blindly writing them off. (especially when understanding something doesn't mean you have to believe in it, so you have nothing to lose).

One thing I noted from your opinions is that you guys think that a person can either be an Agnostic or an Atheist, but not both. That's not true. For example, personally, I am purely Atheistic to any Islam-o-Christian-o-Jude-o-Hindu-o-Greek concept of God(s), because to my rationale there isn't enough merit in believing in them - especially when these are usually based on Iman-bil-ghaib kind of beliefs.

And, at the same time, I am purely Agnostic about my views about the reality of what lies beneath / under / behind the existence of this universe - i.e. I am totally silent, non pre-judgmental or pre-believer in such truth and will form an opinion when enough evidence that satisfies my rationality comes to exists.

So, a person can both be an Atheist about something and Agnostic about something when talking about the concept of God(s) - because it is a complex concept.

Also, one more thing, you talked specifically that Atheists or Agnostics are differentiated based on visual proof... Well, to slightly correct your opinion, I would say that they are both equally looking for rational proofs (not just visual proofs) and that while doing so, one actively rebut the man-made descriptions of God(s), therefore called an Atheist and the other just remain silent about it, neither refuting or accepting such man-made descriptions of these said God(s) and therefore is called an Agnostic.

In any case, seeking and requiring satisfying rational evidence is far more logical and appropriate for a man of 21st century than relying on centuries old, obsolete and outdated type of thinking of 'Iman-bil-ghaib' over such concepts. We don't use Iman-bil-ghaib in any aspect of modern life, whereas such level of superstitious kind of thinking was prevalent in every aspect of life up until not very long ago - so, 'evidence demanding' kind of thinking trumps 'iman bil ghaib' kind of thinking and therefore should not just be dissed just because your Islamiyat teacher told you so.

All of this sounds pretty complex, I know, but when you take off the prejudiced spectacles of Atheists and Agnostics being 'bay-sharam, bay-haya dushmanan-e-Islam' and look at just the concepts in an intellectually fair manner, then you'd get it pretty easily.

Thanks for bearing with me for the long post.
 
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دوسرا_سوال

Minister (2k+ posts)
cms123 said:
What is Atheist or agnostics mean.........being atheist and agnostics are run away arguments.........
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...then what are religious beliefs?

are they not an organised ways of using naivety of regular folk for minting some money while asserting power and control over them with an aim to establish an empire of some sorts?

this has worked in historical times very well. but doesn't anymore. modern man who can land and remote control a drone on Mars needs a bit more than such pre-dated and rationally unsound descriptions of existence which we call religious beliefs...

calling atheism or agnosticism 'runaway arguments' is the level of thinking which you expect, for argument's sake, from 'shah dola kay choohay' if asked to calculate speed of light... and honestly dude, like those poor unfortunate tortured people, i really don't blame you for your simpleton's world view.
 
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desicad

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Lol..........
دوسرا_سوال said:
guys, your curiosity is genuinely appreciable. As the resident 'mulhid' of this forum let me respectfully add on to your understandings...

First, read a bit about what defines as being an atheist, by reading here, and then what being an agnostic is by reading here.

Then, without throwing a childish-brainwashed-tantrum or emotionally blowing up like some kind of intellectual-suicide-bomber, try to think why such concepts need to exist.

Atheism and agnosticism are broad concepts and try to understand what they mean rather than just blindly writing them off. (especially when understanding something doesn't mean you have to believe in it, so you have nothing to lose).

One thing i noted from your opinions is that you guys think that a person can either be an agnostic or an atheist, but not both. That's not true. For example, personally, i am purely atheistic to any islam-o-christian-o-jude-o-hindu-o-greek concept of god(s), because to my rationale there isn't enough merit in believing in them - especially when these are usually based on iman-bil-ghaib kind of beliefs.

And, at the same time, i am purely agnostic about my views about the reality of what lies beneath / under / behind the existence of this universe - i.e. I am totally silent, non pre-judgmental or pre-believer in such truth and will form an opinion when enough evidence that satisfies my rationality comes to exists.

So, a person can both be an atheist about something and agnostic about something when talking about the concept of god(s) - because it is a complex concept.

Also, one more thing, you talked specifically that atheists or agnostics are differentiated based on visual proof... Well, to slightly correct your opinion, i would say that they are both equally looking for rational proofs (not just visual proofs) and that while doing so, one actively rebut the man-made descriptions of god(s), therefore called an atheist and the other just remain silent about it, neither refuting or accepting such man-made descriptions of these said god(s) and therefore is called an agnostic.

In any case, seeking and requiring satisfying rational evidence is far more logical and appropriate for a man of 21st century than relying on centuries old, obsolete and outdated type of thinking of 'iman-bil-ghaib' over such concepts. We don't use iman-bil-ghaib in any aspect of modern life, whereas such level of superstitious kind of thinking was prevalent in every aspect of life up until not very long ago - so, 'evidence demanding' kind of thinking trumps 'iman bil ghaib' kind of thinking and therefore should not just be dissed just because your islamiyat teacher told you so.

All of this sounds pretty complex, i know, but when you take off the prejudiced spectacles of atheists and agnostics being 'bay-sharam, bay-haya dushmanan-e-islam' and look at just the concepts in an intellectually fair manner, then you'd get it pretty easily.

Thanks for bearing with me for the long post.
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