International Defence Expert exposed Indians Lies About Downing PAF F-16

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck

March 2, 2019 By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki

On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.
The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.
File picture of cross section of F16 engine and wreckage of downed Pakistani F16 jet pic.twitter.com/Mq78QkLTz9
— ANI (@ANI) February 28, 2019
step to confirm that its a F16 debris
1. check box no. in 1st img.
  1. search it in F16 database, link below.https://t.co/gDFvtzHOmj
  2. It's Jordan F16. How it's reached Pak, link below.https://t.co/MoPrm8bfWX
credit of info- @SamStein357 #Abhinandan pic.twitter.com/ICZLHKfcQf
— Tuku (@tukupanti) February 28, 2019

The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.
pak-compare.jpg

A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)

The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 engine found on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:
d0zi8lqx4aeyqyb-300x225.jpg

If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.
mig-21-side.jpg

For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.
hatch.jpg

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.
thermocouple.jpg

In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.
hatch-detail.jpg

So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.
But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.
f-16-mig.jpg

Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.
yugo-mig21.jpg

In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
 
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منتظر

Minister (2k+ posts)
Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck

March 2, 2019 By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki

On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.
The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.

step to confirm that its a F16 debris


The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.
pak-compare.jpg

A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)

The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 engine found on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:
d0zi8lqx4aeyqyb-300x225.jpg

If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.
mig-21-side.jpg

For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.
hatch.jpg

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.
thermocouple.jpg

In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.
hatch-detail.jpg

So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.
But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.
f-16-mig.jpg

Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.
yugo-mig21.jpg

In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
وڑائچ صاھب زائد حامد صاحب کا کوئی بیان کے کب غزوہ ہندہ شروع ہو گا ؟
 

GreenMaple

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
So if the wreckage and the dead pilot of allegedly downed F-16 landed in Pakistan side, how did India get such high resolution pictures of the wreckage, and more importantly how did they know name of the pilot?
As far is known the inventory count of F-16's that PAF has is still the same what it was two weeks ago, so which F-16 did they shoot. It could be one of their own.
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Russian don't want thiers MiG 21 humiliation in the world after it shoot down by JF17 Thunder purely becoz of incompetent of IAF pilot..One Russian Rtrd Army analysis said..It's doesn't much matter what jet you flying.. It's more matter what pilot is flying it..If a bandar on board in F 16.This F16 can be shoot down by a ordinary Drone..Russian expected a big arms deals with IAF on latest MiG series..
But Russian should get gaurantee from India that thiers planes must fly by professional pilots not Bandars..
 

thinking

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Just now..Modi crying if we would have Rafael Jets...the situation will be different...Can any one tell this Chaya Wala duffer.. again I said.Army is not all about hi tech weapons..planes...without passion..devotion.. skills..all high tech weapons can't save you...
 

asifA1

Minister (2k+ posts)
You have no idea what the world forums & discussion websites are saying anti Pakistan
and every link is from Indian origin who the world is recognizing.
It seems the victory is short lived for Pakistan which is Indias long term goal !!!
To defeat Pakistans victories in internet and social media simply.
 

Khan125

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Ye aik video hi kaafi hey.... inka sara propaganda khaak me milaney k liey...
I THINK PAKISTANIO ko b kehna chahey ab khul k key ham ne inka SU 30 GIRAYA hey. Jo border k us paar gira hey....
RANDIANS ne ye jhooti khabar hr jaga phelaee hoee hey....
Mujhey samaj nhi aa raha hey hamari ISPR ne categorically kion nhi kahan k JF 17 ne planes giraey hain....
 

Khan125

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So if the wreckage and the dead pilot of allegedly downed F-16 landed in Pakistan side, how did India get such high resolution pictures of the wreckage, and more importantly how did they know name of the pilot?
As far is known the inventory count of F-16's that PAF has is still the same what it was two weeks ago, so which F-16 did they shoot. It could be one of their own.
They took our pictures of their mig 21 wreckage, and are using it to fulfill their propaganda.
These pictures of mig21 were also shared on this forum.
Even their expert exposed their propaganda live.
 

Khan125

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You have no idea what the world forums & discussion websites are saying anti Pakistan
and every link is from Indian origin who the world is recognizing.
It seems the victory is short lived for Pakistan which is Indias long term goal !!!
To defeat Pakistans victories in internet and social media simply.
Aint ka jawab pathar se do merey bhai.. you are a cyber warrior of pakistan.
 

Liberal 000

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
So if the wreckage and the dead pilot of allegedly downed F-16 landed in Pakistan side, how did India get such high resolution pictures of the wreckage, and more importantly how did they know name of the pilot?
As far is known the inventory count of F-16's that PAF has is still the same what it was two weeks ago, so which F-16 did they shoot. It could be one of their own.

Am wondering too, the video at 2:18 -22 and the pic with the general has lot of differences if seen keenly
 

hkniazi

Minister (2k+ posts)
You have no idea what the world forums & discussion websites are saying anti Pakistan
and every link is from Indian origin who the world is recognizing.
It seems the victory is short lived for Pakistan which is Indias long term goal !!!
To defeat Pakistans victories in internet and social media simply.
world forums like what?
plz attach
 

Nadir Bashir

Minister (2k+ posts)
I do not know why PAF is not cleaning this proganda by india...................It should have been cleared until now..................

In any case, we are not going to get anymore F-16. Americans will only think to provide if Indian does not choose f-21.

 

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