Imran Riaz Khan and TLP

[stargazer]

I would like to bring to attention of Mr. Imran Riaz that he is not presenting truth about TLP.
1-TLP is a declared banned tehreek.
2--TLP has brought firearms to their so called protests
3-- TLP has killed 9 police officers
4--TLP has abetted and aided in the creation of disorder on streets.
5--TLP is refusing to submit to authority of government
6-- TLP is using the name of our beloved Prophet and this is a façade to fool people.
7--TLP is causing obstruction to justice by refusing to accept ruling of the court
8--TLP is going against the teachings of our prophet altogether and killing and destroying property of their Muslim brothers.
9--TLP has gone back on their commitment 3 times and that is totally against the teachings of Islam.
10--Who will be held responsible for the deaths of police officers and damage to the property of innocent citizens?
11--Why has TLP not been able to provide any evidence of their claims of their workers have been hurt or killed. They are liars also. Liars can not be following the path of our Prophet
12--Does TLP think that they are the only lovers of the Prophet?
13--How come TLP always becomes active whenever FATF is to be reviewed??
14--Government has reported connection of Indian aid to TLP, now TLP needs to answer instead of issuing threats.


Please respond if you have a response.

 

[Okara]

I would like to bring to attention of Mr. Imran Riaz that he is not presenting truth about TLP.
1-TLP is a declared banned tehreek.
2--TLP has brought firearms to their so called protests
3-- TLP has killed 9 police officers
4--TLP has abetted and aided in the creation of disorder on streets.
5--TLP is refusing to submit to authority of government
6-- TLP is using the name of our beloved Prophet and this is a façade to fool people.
7--TLP is causing obstruction to justice by refusing to accept ruling of the court
8--TLP is going against the teachings of our prophet altogether and killing and destroying property of their Muslim brothers.
9--TLP has gone back on their commitment 3 times and that is totally against the teachings of Islam.
10--Who will be held responsible for the deaths of police officers and damage to the property of innocent citizens?
11--Why has TLP not been able to provide any evidence of their claims of their workers have been hurt or killed. They are liars also. Liars can not be following the path of our Prophet
12--Does TLP think that they are the only lovers of the Prophet?
13--How come TLP always becomes active whenever FATF is to be reviewed??
14--Government has reported connection of Indian aid to TLP, now TLP needs to answer instead of issuing threats.


Please respond if you have a response.

1-TLP is a declared banned tehreek.
Do we have any proof that TLP is banned? They are contesting elections under TLP. Newspaper statements of ministers are not a proof.
2--TLP has brought firearms to their so called protests
They must be doing legally. If they were acquiring weapons illegally then surely government of Pakistan might go against them.
3-- TLP has killed 9 police officers
I will blame Policemen trying to stop the protest. If TLP had done a crime, trust me government won't be negotiating with criminals rather putting them behind bars and letting law to decide about their fate.
4--TLP has abetted and aided in the creation of disorder on streets.
They must be doing according to law, if was illegal govt might have already taken action.
5--TLP is refusing to submit to authority of government
I doubt it as government has no problem with authority. If you remember, when USA was doing drone attacks, Sir Musharraf used to take responsibility and PPP/PMLN used to give statement against those drone attacks but behind closed doors had no issues with those attacks.
6-- TLP is using the name of our beloved Prophet and this is a façade to fool people.
Its very normal in Muslim world.
7--TLP is causing obstruction to justice by refusing to accept ruling of the court
Are u blaming TLP for the world ranking of our justice system. Alhamd u Lillah our Muslim Judges are self sufficient. Over two years of court proceeding our SCP given historical judgment that no one has right to investigate but Allah.
8--TLP is going against the teachings of our prophet altogether and killing and destroying property of their Muslim brothers.
Again its very normal in whole Muslim world that our actions don't match with our claims.
9--TLP has gone back on their commitment 3 times and that is totally against the teachings of Islam.
As per the great thinker of Pakistan Sir Asif Ali Zardari told us Promises are not Quran or Hadith and are meant to break.
10--Who will be held responsible for the deaths of police officers and damage to the property of innocent citizens?
The ones injured or killed.
11--Why has TLP not been able to provide any evidence of their claims of their workers have been hurt or killed. They are liars also. Liars can not be following the path of our Prophet
Give me example where someone provided a proof of their claims so why u want something different from TLP? The P in TLP is Pakistan.
12--Does TLP think that they are the only lovers of the Prophet?
Is this not normal for us Pakistani believing we are the only ones?
13--How come TLP always becomes active whenever FATF is to be reviewed??
Its FATAF not TLP whose review is coincided with TLP agitation. So blame FATAF
14--Government has reported connection of Indian aid to TLP, now TLP needs to answer instead of issuing threats.
Just a claim and claim has no value without action. For action you need evidence and it looks like government has no evidence to initiate criminal proceedings.

 

[pinionated]

Mullah gardi naheen chaleygi….

 

[nasir77]

TLP KO QADO LANGAY RIZVI K PAS PHENCHO. IN KO YAHAN SKOON NAHIN MIL NA ....

 

[taban]

Mullah gardi naheen chaleygi….

چل تو رہی ہے

 

[Okara]

چل تو رہی ہے

Kehnay mein kia hay?

 

[taban]

Kehnay mein kia hay?

ہاں یہ تو ہے

 

[ts_rana]

اس جاہل اینکر کے مطابق پولیس کے مرنے والے بھی شہید ہیں اور ٹی ایل پی کے دہشت گرد بھی شہید ہیں۔ پی ٹی آئی کے اینکرز بھی بے چارے بہت کنفیوز ہیں کہ کیا کریں ، نام نہاد عاشق بنیں یا گستاخوں کے گروہ میں کھڑے ہوں۔

 

[waseem137]

پاکستان میں زیادہ تر لوگ ٹی ایل پی کے خلاف بات کرنے سے پہلے قسمیں قرآن اٹھا کر اس بات کی یقین دہانی کرواتے ہیں کہ وہ سچے عاشق رسول ہیں۔ اور کچھ ایسے ہیں جو بلکل بھی خلاف بات نہیں کرتے کہ کہیں گستاخی یا گناہ نا ہو جائے ، شیخ رشید اور عمران ریاض خان اسی گروپ میں شامل ہیں۔

 

[stargazer]

1-TLP is a declared banned tehreek.
Do we have any proof that TLP is banned? They are contesting elections under TLP. Newspaper statements of ministers are not a proof.
2--TLP has brought firearms to their so called protests
They must be doing legally. If they were acquiring weapons illegally then surely government of Pakistan might go against them.
3-- TLP has killed 9 police officers
I will blame Policemen trying to stop the protest. If TLP had done a crime, trust me government won't be negotiating with criminals rather putting them behind bars and letting law to decide about their fate.
4--TLP has abetted and aided in the creation of disorder on streets.
They must be doing according to law, if was illegal govt might have already taken action.
5--TLP is refusing to submit to authority of government
I doubt it as government has no problem with authority. If you remember, when USA was doing drone attacks, Sir Musharraf used to take responsibility and PPP/PMLN used to give statement against those drone attacks but behind closed doors had no issues with those attacks.
6-- TLP is using the name of our beloved Prophet and this is a façade to fool people.
Its very normal in Muslim world.
7--TLP is causing obstruction to justice by refusing to accept ruling of the court
Are u blaming TLP for the world ranking of our justice system. Alhamd u Lillah our Muslim Judges are self sufficient. Over two years of court proceeding our SCP given historical judgment that no one has right to investigate but Allah.
8--TLP is going against the teachings of our prophet altogether and killing and destroying property of their Muslim brothers.
Again its very normal in whole Muslim world that our actions don't match with our claims.
9--TLP has gone back on their commitment 3 times and that is totally against the teachings of Islam.
As per the great thinker of Pakistan Sir Asif Ali Zardari told us Promises are not Quran or Hadith and are meant to break.
10--Who will be held responsible for the deaths of police officers and damage to the property of innocent citizens?
The ones injured or killed.
11--Why has TLP not been able to provide any evidence of their claims of their workers have been hurt or killed. They are liars also. Liars can not be following the path of our Prophet
Give me example where someone provided a proof of their claims so why u want something different from TLP? The P in TLP is Pakistan.
12--Does TLP think that they are the only lovers of the Prophet?
Is this not normal for us Pakistani believing we are the only ones?
13--How come TLP always becomes active whenever FATF is to be reviewed??
Its FATAF not TLP whose review is coincided with TLP agitation. So blame FATAF
14--Government has reported connection of Indian aid to TLP, now TLP needs to answer instead of issuing threats.
Just a claim and claim has no value without action. For action you need evidence and it looks like government has no evidence to initiate criminal proceedings.

And all that you have done in this reply is make CLAIMS.
Quite a ridiculous argument trying to justify TLPs wrongs by asking for proofs from others! Twisted perverted logic.
So much for the post!

 

[Hussain1967]

This anchor ( along with GHQ, ISI, and PTI) used to support TLP in its dharna of 2017 against PMLN. Now he is opposing TLP dharna against PTI.

 

[stargazer]

This anchor ( along with GHQ, ISI, and PTI) used to support TLP in its dharna of 2017 against PMLN. Now he is opposing TLP dharna against PTI.

It is a sign of intelligence to know the difference. Which will expalin to you here.
In 2017 Pml-n changed the Khatm-e-Nabbuvat kanoon WITHIN Pakistan and EVERY ONE was supporting TLP for this.
Today TLP is killing, destroying and damaging it's own people because France did something horrible. Per jadhoon kisee da Kaan he chitta huway tay fir key keray koi.

 

[Okara]

And all that you have done in this reply is make CLAIMS.
Quite a ridiculous argument trying to justify TLPs wrongs by asking for proofs from others! Twisted perverted logic.
So much for the post!

Why do we want TLP to follow law of land voluntarily?
Keep in mind LAW is implemented with force.
Change the name of TLP with our COAS and see if he is willing to follow Law?
Change the name of TLP with Lawyers and see if they wanted to follow Law?
In short if you replace name of TLP with anyone in Pakistan who is powerful and result is the same.
If our SC is saying judge can't be investigated on any corruption charges then what else you expect from TLP? Can our judges punish TLP kind of criminals?

 

[Okara]

This anchor ( along with GHQ, ISI, and PTI) used to support TLP in its dharna of 2017 against PMLN. Now he is opposing TLP dharna against PTI.

What is stance of PMLN and PPP on their current and past violent activities in the PTI rule? Basically we are short sighted people on the face of this planet.

 

[such786]

just just ko be riasat yah establishment nie Pala hie usi nie Pakistan ki economy, establishment and riasat ki gaand mein danda dia hie.

 

[Hussain1967]

What is stance of PMLN and PPP on their current and past violent activities in the PTI rule? Basically we are short sighted people on the face of this planet.

They are quite in current situation. They are supporting neither government nor TLP. This is not ideal but much better than what PTI did in 2017. They could have easily taken advantage of current situation and sided with TLP as PTI and Sheikh Rasheed did in 2017 against PMLN.

What PTI and Sheikh Rasheed ( he needs to be mentioned again n again because he is now interior minister) did in 2017 can be searched on YouTube with very little effort. ISPR’s press releases of those days can be searched on Google.

The then Chairman PEMRA ( Absar Alam) said it on record that he banned TV channels from covering TLP protest in 2017 but then received calls from GHQ and ISI to lift the ban. Currently, PEMRA has banned the TV coverage of TLP protest, and apparently, PEMRA hasn’t received any call from Generals. Now you might ask me if Generals are doing good by not asking PEMRA to lift this ban, my answer would be that they are doing good. But, then I would ask my question why they were playing dirty game in 2017.

 

[Hussain1967]

just just ko be riasat yah establishment nie Pala hie usi nie Pakistan ki economy, establishment and riasat ki gaand mein danda dia hie.

Military is not Riasat. It isn’t even the fundamental pillar of riasat. It is a an institution of the Executives ( also known as Government).

 

[Rafique Ahmed]

اس جاہل اینکر کے مطابق پولیس کے مرنے والے بھی شہید ہیں اور ٹی ایل پی کے دہشت گرد بھی شہید ہیں۔ پی ٹی آئی کے اینکرز بھی بے چارے بہت کنفیوز ہیں کہ کیا کریں ، نام نہاد عاشق بنیں یا گستاخوں کے گروہ میں کھڑے ہوں۔

It is quite precarious for all minsters, other govt officials and even journalists to either clearly support the government or TLP/other religious groups. If they openly go against the TLP then their lives are at a great risk. Because of the risk to life they try to make both the government and TLP happy.

 

[Okara]

They are quite in current situation. They are supporting neither government nor TLP. This is not ideal but much better than what PTI did in 2017. They could have easily taken advantage of current situation and sided with TLP as PTI and Sheikh Rasheed did in 2017 against PMLN.

What PTI and Sheikh Rasheed ( he needs to be mentioned again n again because he is now interior minister) did in 2017 can be searched on YouTube with very little effort. ISPR’s press releases of those days can be searched on Google.

The then Chairman PEMRA ( Absar Alam) said it on record that he banned TV channels from covering TLP protest in 2017 but then received calls from GHQ and ISI to lift the ban. Currently, PEMRA has banned the TV coverage of TLP protest, and apparently, PEMRA hasn’t received any call from Generals. Now you might ask me if Generals are doing good by not asking PEMRA to lift this ban, my answer would be that they are doing good. But, then I would ask my question why they were playing dirty game in 2017.

Keep in mind Sh Rasheed is still a different party and confused like before. I am PTI supporter and if anyone from PTI support an illegal activity I will not support.
In terms of Absar Alam not sure when he given statement that it was GHQ/ISI calling him but lets assume, GHQ/ISI was approaching him for an illegal task why he didn't resisted or resigned? Like most of us are blaming either courts or GHQ for the escape of convicted criminal but buck stops at PM. So no matter who made decision but will be treated the decision of PM.
Do you remember the time of Raymond Davis, AAZ was president, Shahbaz was CM and Nawaz opposition leader. We know Gen Pasha brokered the deal but we can't blame him but the political leadership where Nawaz was sick and CM of Punjab went outside to see his sick brother.
I still believe, our Generals are playing dirty games but we can't blame them as we don't elect them but our leaders.

 

[stargazer]

Why do we want TLP to follow law of land voluntarily?
Keep in mind LAW is implemented with force.
Change the name of TLP with our COAS and see if he is willing to follow Law?
Change the name of TLP with Lawyers and see if they wanted to follow Law?
In short if you replace name of TLP with anyone in Pakistan who is powerful and result is the same.
If our SC is saying judge can't be investigated on any corruption charges then what else you expect from TLP? Can our judges punish TLP kind of criminals?

It is tragic that you are using all the wrong examples from a rotten system to justify the acts of a Jamaat which Claims to be protecting the sacred blessed name of RehmatulAlimeen who taught us to stand up to Injustice NOT join the cruel.
If TLP is using the same argument that any political party does then why are they should be dealt with in the same manner and those following TLP must understand that this march is not for religious reasons but purely material gains and power.
That sir is evident from your own post that you understand the real reason for this Fitna.