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PakPatriot1

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AHA, ENVIRONMENT? THIS IS MY FAVOURITE SUBJECT MY DEAR. PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST AND THEN DO YOUR FILTHY ANALYSIS ON THIS.
FOR PTHER READERS I GIVEN ALL THE ANSWERS TO ALL OF OF YOUR JAHILANA BAKWAS. READ IN RED PLEASE:
rahat said:
The Mqm was created by the establishment and they only work for them and on their directive. It is evident from his creation that on one day they baycot the nation assembly election on the directive of the agencies and the other day they announce to praticipate in provinical assembly election to fulfill the agenda of the agencies.

I think the supporters of MQM are the only those peoples who has got the big amount in Bhatia, corruption and occupying peoples and public properties in Karachi. I know hundreds of them who were living in one room flat in 1988 and now they own billions and bungalows in defense. They are only making peoples fool. They even do not deserve the reply.
=>THE NUMBER OF supporters of MQM ARE IN MILLIONS. i AM GLAD EVERYONE HAS BANGLOWS IN DEFENSE, GOOD WORK OF MQM THEN

The billion of rupees of hard working peoples money they lavishly spent on the so-called mega projects which were carried out to benefit the privileged classes.
=>KARACHI CONSTITUTES AROUND 1 CRORE AND 70 LAKH POOR AND COMMON PEOPLE, THEY ARE BEING BENEFITTED BY THESE PROJECTS DAILY.
=>I NEVER SEE ANY BOARD ON ANY ROAD THAT SAYS IT IS NOT ALLOWED FOR COMMON AND POOR PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN.
=>BTW, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA FOR YOUR JAAGIRDAR BOSSES, LET THEM KNOW TO IMPLEMENT IT IN THEIR OWN TOWNS AND CITIES. IT IS NOT WORKABLE IN MEGA CITIES LIKE KARACHI AND LAHORE


The Nazim allocated these projects without proper tendering and the quality of work we know. Everyone including the Peer of London get his big shares from it.
=>EVERY PROJECT IS ALWAYS ANNOUNCED AND GIVEN TO THE QUALIFIED CONTRACTOR WITH ALL THE VALID TENDERS.
=>80% OF THESE CONTRACTORS ARE PATHANS AND PUNJABIS. THEY SUPPLY NOT ONLY LABOUR BUT ALSO MATERIAL. ASK ANP KARACHI, SO MANY TIMES THEY HAVE TOLD THIS TO THE MEDIA.


They never carried out any study to determine the real cause of traffic congestion or the transportation issues, but advocated un-necessary bridges and so-called signal free corridors by wasting billions of the poor nation and getting a big share in kick backs. They never went for the environmental assessment for these projects.
=>WHAT AN UNEDUCATED ANALYSIS. DO NOT SHOW IT TO YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, THEY WILL LAUGH ON IT.
=>BRIDGES AND FLYOVER ALWAYS REDUCE THE ENVIRONMENT CONGGESTION IN THE CITIES. HAVE YOU EVER STUDIED THAT IN 3 HOURS TRAFFIC CONGGESTION HOW MUCH GASOLINE BURNS? HOW MUCH PEOPLE WASTE THEIR TIME, WHAT ARE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, SOCIAL AND PHYSICAL IMPACTS ON THE PEOPLE'S LIVES?
=>IF WE REDUCE THIS 3 HOUR CONNGESTION TO HALF HOUR TRAVEL, DO YOU EVER EXPERIENCE THE COMFORT OF IT? ASK MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE TEVELLING ON THESE BRIDGES EVERY DAY. JUST TELL THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE WASTE OF ENVIRONMENT, I AM GOING TO DEMOLISH THEM, AND THEN FACE THEIR REPLY OF THE PEOPLE THEN.
=> MANY INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES ARE INVESTING IN KARACHI, DO YOU THINK THEY ARE ALL STUPID THAT WITHOUT ANY PROPER STUDY THEY WILL PUT THEIR MONEY IN THESE PROJECTS.
=>ISO9002 APPROVED THE QUALITY OF WORK IN 2008, IS THIS NOT A SLAP ON OPPONENTS FACES?


All these bridges they constructed are only facilities 5 % peoples who own cars but they never think or spent any money on the public transportation system.
=>FROM KORANGI TO SURJANI TOWN, FROM KARSAAZ TO SITE AREA, FROM TOWER TO SOHRAB GOTH, ARE THESE AREAS OF PRIVILLAGED CLASSES? DID YOU EVER REALLY LIVE IN KARACHI? THESE ARE THE MAIN ARES OF KARACHI'S POOR POPULATION AND WHERE THE SIGNAL FREE HIWAYS HAVE BEEN BUILT ON PRIORITY

The traffic congestion issues were only resolved by the modern world by establishing an efficient public transportation system which serves to majority of the population.
=>ANOTHER UNEDUCATED ANALYSIS. WHERE DO YOU WANT TO RUN YOUR EFFECIENT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? JUST ON CONGESTED ROADS OR RAPID HIWAYS. PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY WISDOM.
=>WAIT MY DEAR, LET US FINISH PROPER ROAD WORK FIRST. PUBLIC TRANSPORATATIO IS ON THE WAY IN OUR NEXT TENURE.


Another fraud and destroying the environment by The MQM with celebration of Nazim is the illegal allotment of the parks and getting a big money. In this way they did not only destroyed the environment but the main cause of the present day heat waves and increase in the temperature of Karachi.
=>REALLY YOU NEVER HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE OF ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE. PLEASE JUST GOOGLE WITH A KEYWORD "GREEN", YOU WILL BE EDUCATED ENOUGH ON THIS SUBJECT.
=>PARKS ARE THE BEST WAY OF KEEPING THE CITIES ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEAN. OTHERWISE THERE IS NO NEED OF ANY PARK IN ANY OF THE ADVANCED CITY IN THE WORLD
=>DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF ANY ILLEGAL ALLOTMENT OF THE PARKS? OR THIS IS ALSO YOUR BIASED AND BASELESS ALLEGATION
=>TO CLARIFY THE PARKS FROM LAND FROM YOUR LAND MAFIAS AND BUILDING THERE PUBLIC PARKS IS NOT A CRIME. IT IS SERVICE TO THE PAKISTANI PEOPLE.
=> PARK BIN QASIM, JEHANGIR PARK AND JHEEL PARK ARE THE PRIME EXAMPLES OF FREE UP THE LAND FORM MAFIAS.


I HAVE GIVEN ALL THESE FACTS AND FIGURES TO LET ALL PAKISTANIS KNOW THE CONPIRACY AGAINST THE DEVELOPMENT WORK IN KARACHI. THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE FOR EACH AND EVERY PAKISTANI. THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS WHO ALWAYS TRY TO MALIGN THESE EFFORTS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT PAKISTAN TO BE DEVELOPED. THEY ARE JUST 2% ELITE CLASS PEOPLE. PLEASE CONSIDER
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
In is unfortunate that peoples like you support MQM blindly due to some personal interests also claimed to be the experts on "environment". But they did not even know the ABC of the subject.

I am quotation only one project of city nazim with the finance of foreign donors, as it evolves big kicks back. The subject project is famous "elevated expx way on shaharih-e-faisal.

Below are the some of the concerns of the reputed professionals related to the field. Hope after reading that no one will try to hide the corruption of MQM being underway:


The News (10-04-2007)
An elevated hazard

If the City District Government of Karachi is to be believed, the planned Karachi Elevated Expressway, to be built in the city's busy business district, will be the best thing to happen for the country's commercial capital. However, the project has earned the severe disapproval of a wide array of architects, environmentalists, engineers and a section of civil society. Their views, expressed at a public hearing organised by the provincial environmental protection department last week, make eminent sense given that the planned project will see an elevated expressway running along Karachi's primary thoroughfare -- Sharea Faisal -- for 25 kilometres, connecting the central business district with the city's outskirts, to the north of its airport. Not only will its construction cause massive disruption to the city's traffic system -- already close to a mess on any given day -- it will be an environmental nightmare and an aesthetic monstrosity. Besides, the choice of an elevated expressway seems a bit odd since the trend all over the world nowadays seems to rely on relatively more environmentally-friendly approaches such as building a subway or improving the whole system of traffic by greater monitoring and regulation of private vehicles and introduction of alternative forms of transport. In fact, the planned route of this particular project is such that it will mar the view of many of the city's major buildings and neighbourhoods, since many lie on or straddle Sharea Faisal.
If the project does go ahead, it also involves several private sector organisations, including some of the city's leading hotels, parting with some of their land (presumably in exchange for compensation). However, and understandably so, the hotel owners have already objected to the project, saying that the last thing their guests needed was to see a massive concrete structure blocking the view from their room's window. One primary argument being used by the backers of the elevated expressway is that it will bring in foreign investment and presumably the government will not be paying much out of its pocket to fund it. However, this approach by the federal and provincial governments in Pakistan needs to be modified because projects should not be blindly built just because they bring in large amounts of foreign investment. Instead, the environmental and long-term effects of these projects should also be considered when such decisions are made, particularly the views and opinions of all stakeholders, especially those who are to be directly affected by a project's construction and eventual completion. Not only that, in this particular instance, once built, the expressway will charge tolls for use so to say that there will be no cost to the general public is entirely misleading.
As for the environmental impact, the CDGK is almost dismissive of such concerns. Its version of the public hearing, which is available on its website, suggests that a decision has already been made to disregard the concerns expressed by civil society to the project with the hearing portrayed as one where it was successfully shown that the expressway would have no adverse environmental impact. Surely, such a stance does not help and only reveals that the CDGK considers the whole process of conducting an environmental-impact assessment (as required by law and pending whose approval no construction can begin) of the project as nothing more than a formality. Also, the project shows a distinct lack of priorities in that the city does not have a fully functioning solid waste management and garbage collection system and its government has ambitions to make an elevated expressway stretching some 25 kilometres. More consideration needs to be given to all those who have disapproved of this idea. It would be better if Sharea Faisal was left alone and if at all such an expressway, linking the city's port with the highways to its north, is to be built, then there are other routes which will cause less social, environmental and aesthetic harm. Also, alternatives such as making the Karachi Circular Rail functional, exploring other rail options and the much-needed streamlining of the overall system of traffic management need to be considered before any hasty decision is made.

DAWN (April 12, 2007)
The Karachi Elevated Expressway
By Arif Hasan
METRO VOICE

THE Karachi City Government has decided to build an elevated expressway, called the Karachi Elevated Expressway (KEE) from Jinnah Bridge to Quaidabad. The Expressway will pass over Moulvi Tamizzuddin Road, Club Road and Sharea Faisal. is to relieve congestion on Sharea Faisal and provide a fast link between Karachi Port and Port Qasim for port related traffic. The narrowest section of the corridor through which the KEE will pass is from the PIDC to Napier Barracks. This stretch is Karachis potential tourist area and contains its main five star hotels, Gymkhana Club, Sindh Club, Quaid-e-Azam Museum and Napier Barracks (which are heritage buildings). Frere Hall is also in close proximity. In this stretch the KEE will cover almost the entire road width. As required under law an Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) has been carried out by consultants hired by the proponent. The EIA findings are that the adverse affects of the KEE are minor and can be mitigated. At a public hearing on the EIA citizens and professional bodies expressed serious concerns on the concept and design details of the KEE. However, the design details and the financial feasibility are of secondary importance. It is the concept of an elevated expressway through the most prestigious corridor in Karachi that needs to be questioned. The EIA has stated that elevated expressways in other countries have solved traffic problems similar to the ones faced by Sharea Faisal and that there is no other solution to these problems apart from constructing the KEE. This view conflicts sharply with a large body of technical and academic literature on transport engineering and with the experience of a number of cities that have constructed elevated expressways through their city centres. Bangkok, Manila, Tehran, Cairo and Dubai have all constructed scores of kilometres of expressways. These expressways have not solved traffic problems and traffic conditions in these cities are far worse than Karachi. Dubai, which is nearest to us in geographical terms, is grid-locked for six to eight hours a day. No country in the developed world today would ever dream of building an expressway to their city centres because of the environmental and aesthetic degradation that they cause. As a matter of fact, San Francisco, New York, Boston, Seoul and Paris have actually demolished their expressways and turned them into public space or housing.
This demolition has relieved traffic congestion because it has been accompanied by better traffic management, the development of a larger traffic and transportation plan, segregation of local and thorough traffic and/or the building of segregated bus ways which have supported people opting for taking the bus rather than using a car. In our case none of these alternatives have been explored and nor is the KEE a part of a larger traffic and transportation plan. This was recognised by the consultants during the public hearing. There are also financial issues that have not been seriously studied. The investment by a foreign company for the KEE is to be recovered by a toll on vehicles using the KEE. At the hearing we were informed that the traffic volume on Sharea Faisal that would use the KEE was not sufficient for the company to recover their investment. As such, it has been decided to divert all port related traffic onto the KEE in spite of the fact that other options such as the very feasible routes of the Southern and Northern Bypasses are available. So we will now have trucks, container vehicles and tankers plying overhead the Sharea Faisal in addition to encroachment on urban space and the denial of sun light in the narrower confines of our most prestigious corridor. Again, this decision conflicts with experience for cities like Bangkok, Seoul and Manila are trying to limit or ban heavy traffic on their inner city expressways. Boston has demolished the expressway carrying heavy traffic and in Riyadh the pollution of the expressway passing through the city was so heavy that they decided to vacate the areas on either side of it and forest them. In addition, the Institute of Architects Pakistan (IAP) has pointed out that for an average toll of Rs 20 per vehicle, 143,835 vehicles per day would be required to use the expressway. Where they will come from is not known. The building of the KEE is an ad-hoc and ill-informed decision. It is the expressed desire of the city government to turn Karachi into a world class city. The building of the expressway will certainly not help in achieving this objective




DAILY TIMES (21- 02- 2007)

19 reasons why Shahra-e-Faisal shouldnt be destroyed by an elevated expressway: IAP
Staff Report

KARACHI: The Institute of Architects Pakistan (IAP) has listed 19 reasons and concerns about the proposed Elevated Expressway (EE) that the CDGK plans to build over the M.T. Khan Road / Shahrah-e-Faisal corridor, according to a press release Tuesday. On Feb 24, the CDGK is holding a briefing on the project at the AKU at 10:30 a.m., the IAPs Amina Nasim Jan told Daily Times.
According to the press release, the architects and planners are not against development; in fact their business thrives with the development in the country but Shahrah-e-Faisal which has been there since before Partition was never designed to support an elevated expressway.
The project proposes to construct a 24km long, 4 lane expressway which will stretch from Jinnah Bridge at Keamari to Quaidabad in Malir. Vehicles will be required to pay a toll. There will be six entry and exit points; Quaidabad, Star Gate, Karsaz, Shahrah-e-Quaideen, Hotel Metropole, and Jinnah Bridge. The EE will be high enough to clear the existing overpasses and will have toll plazas at intermediate levels at the six entry/ exit nodes. There have been very limited public hearings on this project.
Several prominent members of the architectural and engineering communities have expressed their reservations but their concerns have been brushed aside in the rush to initiate this project in the name of development and foreign investment.
The IAP believes that there are several reasons why this project is conceptually flawed and unfeasible: The EE is being developed to ease the current and projected load on Shahrah-e-Faisal. The project does not take into account the alternative route and the relief that will be provided by the Lyari Expressway nor does it consider any different corridors to divert traffic off of Shahrah-e-Faisal.
The EE is proposed to be a high-speed link for freight and passenger traffic between the airport, Karachi Harbour and the Port Qasim. Realistically, there is very limited traffic between the airport and the two ports. Instead there is much greater freight traffic between the ports and the rest of the country, adequately serviced by the Northern Bypass.
It is also not correct to refer to the EE as the Southern Bypass as has been suggested because it bypasses nothing and ploughs through the densest and most valuable real estate in Karachi. The EE also does not service any of the industrial estates of Karachi. There is no direct access to the EE from Korangi, SITE and North Karachi except through residential neighbourhoods. These areas are much better served by the Northern Bypass and the National Highway.
The project proposes to place a limited access high-speed expressway over the alignment of Shahrah-e-Faisal and M.T. Khan Road. This would mean that the expressway would have the same constraints and limitations as Shahrah-e-Faisal and M.T. Khan Road and will hardly allow expressway speeds. For example, the expressway will travel over the Bridge at PIDC, squeeze between Hotel Pearl

Continental and Hotel Sheraton; curve around Hotel Metropole and past Hotel Avari.
By adding the EE, the volume of traffic that can be handled by the Shahrah-e-Faisal corridor may be doubled but the roads leading into Shahrah-e-Faisal and away from it will remain the same. This will create major congestion on roads feeding Shahrah-e-Faisal. An EE is an expensive and inefficient response to the citys traffic problems. When the volume exceeds the capacity of the EE, it will not be possible to widen it. Therefore, this project will have much shorter productive life span than an on-grade highway.
The EE is being proposed as a 4 lane highway with two lanes traveling in either direction (The 6-lanes claimed in CDGK publications includes entry and exit lanes). There is no provision for a shoulder or emergency lane. A breakdown or accident on the expressway will result in traffic jams of monumental proportions, with no escape for vehicles and no access for fire tenders or ambulances except from the six exit points.
The placement of the six entry and exit points is not rationally based on the requirements of the citys traffic but rather on the limited space available for entry and exit ramps and toll plazas. For example, there is no entry or exit at Jinnah Airport. Airport traffic will exit the EE at Star Gate intersection and merge with Shahrah-e-Faisal traffic till the JIA intersection. There is no interchange at either Rashid Minhas Road or FTC. Residents of Gulshan-e-Iqbal and DHA would have to exit earlier and merge with Shahrah-e-Faisal traffic.
The proposed Master Plan 2020 calls for the development of multiple nuclei, i.e. additional business districts at different locations throughout the city to reduce commuting time and pressure on our roads and other resources. The goal of this proposal is to decrease the dependence on Saddar. This is a commendable proposal in the Master Plan. The EE tends to contradict this goal of the Master Plan as it seeks to concentrate more traffic into Saddar. If this money were applied instead to develop a Central Business District in Port Qasim it would open up jobs there and reduce traffic to Saddar.
Lastly, the increase in the number of cars on the roads in Karachi is not a valid justification for the construction of new highways. The city should not be fascinated by the notion of having an elevated expressway as if such a thing is an achievement that heralds Karachis elevation to a mega city. Elevated expressways are usually the failure of urban planning because they indicate that a city has failed to manage its traffic problems through less dense, less expensive, on-grade solutions.
The construction of the EE will ruin one of the most attractive boulevards in Karachi. Trees along Shahrah-e-Faisal will be lost. It will effectively place a roof over the existing roadway, cutting off sunlight and breezes. Anyone wanting to imagine the ambience of the resulting roadway need only stand under the NIPA flyover or the Liaquatabad Flyover and imagine it extending for 24km.
The increased traffic load on the Shahrah-e-Faisal corridor and the construction of the EE will greatly increase the levels of emissions. The expressway perched above Shahrah-e-Faisal will trap pollution and prevent it from dispersing.
The EE passes through the heart of Karachis thriving commercial, business and tourist districts. Much of its length is over Shahrah-e-Faisal which was recently

designated as a corridor for high rise commercial development. After its completion, traffic on the EE will whiz past the third and fourth floor of these buildings. The high walls of these building will create a canyon-like effect which will trap pollution and amplify noise. The EE will obscure the facades of every building that it will cross, greatly hinder peoples access and will depreciate real estate values.
The price tag for the EE has grown from the initial US$225 million through $250 million to $350 million (Rs 21b). Figures much higher than these have been quoted by independent sources. The feasibility of this project depends on the recovery of the cost through tolls.
The EE project is expected to cost $350 million or Rs 21 billion. The developer is expected to recover their investment by collecting tolls from all vehicles over the first 20 years of its life. This means that the operator will need to collect Rs 1,050,000,000 per year or more than Rs 2,876,000 per day. If the average toll per vehicle per trip is set at Rs 20 that would amount to 143,835 cars per day using the expressway. Divided between the six entry/exit points, that amounts to almost 24,000 cars per exit per day or one car every 3.6 seconds. It would seem unlikely that the CDGKs financial claims about this project will be realized. In which case the foreign developer of the project will claim the CDGKs sovereign guarantee. The construction of the EE will cause severe hardship to the residents of Karachi particularly to the businesses located on Shahrah-e-Faisal. The construction time of 30 months appears to be too optimistic considering the usual pace of construction in Pakistan (foreign developer notwithstanding). The CDGK has not shared any plans with the citizens of Karachi on how it plans to achieve these diversion plans during the construction period and which adjacent neighbourhoods will be affected.
Shahrah-e-Faisal is the main access route to the airport and is heavily used for the movement of VVIPs. How will this access be maintained during construction? What diversionary routes will be used for VVIP traffic at added security risks? There have been no public hearing held to discuss this with residents and businesses along the Shahrah-e-Faisal / M.T. Khan Road corridor.
The EE is not the only solution to the traffic problems of Shahrah-e-Faisal. After its completion, The Lyari Expressway will handle a large volume of traffic currently accessing Shahrah-e-Faisal from the north. The IAP proposes two alternatives: develop an on-grade highway along the Malir River bed and; develop the under-construction road through the Korangi Industrial Area into an expressway. Both proposals can be connected laterally across the Malir River to Shahrah-e-Faisal which will provide a natural detour during VVIP movement. This will allow citizens living south of Shahrah-e-Faisal to use this expressway instead. Both proposals can be connected to Karachi Harbour through limited access corridors through DHA.



A global city vs the environment
By Ardeshir Cowasjee

THE entire civilised world is greatly concerned with where the environment is going and the world with it. The dangers facing are massive. As an entity, the government of Pakistan seems to be oblivious and carries on in its own merry way. However, there are a few of us who realise the implications of global warming and all that goes with it. Credit must be given to one of our private television channels which, on Earth Day, April 22, showed an Urdu translation of former US Vice-President Al Gores award winning documentary, An Inconvenient Truth. Gores message is quite simple: if you and I do not reduce and cut back our consumer oriented and environment unfriendly lifestyles, climate change will overwhelm us and bring unpleasant and radical changes in life as we know it. Knowing the calibre of our home-grown politicians, it is doubtful if any of those who regulate our lives have bothered to watch it. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz was given a copy of the documentary by a delegation of civil society groups, spearheaded by the World Wildlife Federation, who met him a month or so ago to discuss the deteriorating water situation in Pakistan. Has he had time to see this documentary? If by some miracle he has seen it, has it made even a small dent in his resolve to transform Karachi the former Pearl of the East, now flooded with katchi abadis, hard hit by electricity load-shedding, drowning in uncollected garbage, stinking with raw sewage which streams directly into the sea into what he terms a world-class global city? The world-class global city (a concrete unlivable jungle poisoned by pollution) mantra of the federal government has been taken up by the Defence Housing Society of Karachi which is hell-bent on the construction of a 14-kilometer Waterfront Development Project along a public beach that does not belong to it, which will cater to the rich and infamous and be totally awam-unfriendly. On alternate Sunday evenings, concerned citizens have organised demonstrations on the beach road (near McDonalds) which so far have had no impact. The Sindh Environmental Protection Agency continues to ignore the environmental impact assessment of the conversion of the shoreline as ordered by the Sindh High Court. Get-rich-quick schemes are infectious in Karachi, as in all other cities of this blighted country. The concept of beach exploitation, with the prime ministerial blessings, has been picked up by the Dubai-based limitless which proposes to develop a new 68,000 acres city along the Manora, Sandspit, Hawkesbay and French beaches, stretching inland to occupy the coastal fishing villages, KDA Scheme 45 and even PAF Masroor base. An amazing presentation of this Karachi Waterfront can be downloaded from http://www.youtube.com Then we have our local government and its schemes for various elevated expressways, in

particular the one planned to run 24 kilometres from Jinnah Bridge to Quaidabad to which numerous groups and concerned citizens have objected (my column of April 8). The government has heeded some objections. Land is not to be taken away from the Karachi Gymkhana or the posh hotels or the Christian cemetery, all of which lie along its route, and the existing rights of way will be used. A committee of experts (mandatory under the Environmental Act 1997) is being formed to review public comments. The City District Government has cleverly sidestepped several issues raised. Why has a $ 350 million contract been awarded without competitive tendering? What are the financial details of the somewhat murky annuity-based BOT? How does the expressway fit in with the overall traffic management plans for the city? Why is the administration not first tackling the massive violations of traffic rules, unlawful parking, encroachments on our roads, and many other traffic planning-related issues? Why are public/mass transport systems not being given priority? Why is inter-port (Karachi Port Trust/Port Qasim) traffic not being conducted by an economically more sound railway system? Lending credence to the fact that the elevated expressway is already a fait accompli (finders fees have already reportedly been paid), and that the Environmental Impact Assessment is but a window-dressing in pretence of complying with the law, is the fact that the City District Government parks officer, Liaquat Ali Khan of the silken outfits, a couple of weeks ago started chopping and transplanting some 2,000 trees from the centre portion of Sharea Faisal. The Japanese care about the environment and they apparently care more about Karachi than its administration. They are prepared to give us funds to build five steel bridges in the city (runs into billions of rupees) but only if we first conduct an environmental impact assessment. Unlike the City District Government, they do not believe that an EIA is a professional study only professionals should be allowed to participate in professional discussion (a quote from the CDGK response to the Institute of Architects, Pakistan, on the subject of the elevated expressway). At the end of last month, the press reported extensively on the signing of an implementation agreement for a $ 160 million landmark project being set up at Port Qasim, Karachi, that will allow natural gas imports into Pakistan for the first time in the countrys history. The project comprises a floating liquefied natural gas (LNG) re-gasification terminal being set up by Excelerate Energy of Texas, USA, for Pakistan Gasport Limited, a local company whose principal sponsor is the Associated Group, the largest single producer of LPG in Pakistan. The project envisions the berthing of a re-gasification vessel which will be charged through smaller LNG carriers coming up the Korangi Creek, past residential localities, fishing villages and other port traffic. The re-gasification process will convert the liquid gas to high-pressure gas on board the ship and deliver it directly into the Sui Southern Gas Company Limited network. Such a process has numerous environmental downsides, and is fraught with the hazard of an LNG leak forming a vapour cloud whose explosion and fire could destroy habitations and structures many miles away (download LNG Vapour Cloud Danger to our Communities at http://timrileylaw.com to verify the perils).

It may be of interest to the citizens of Karachi to know that the California Coastal Commission unanimously rejected a proposed $ 800 million Cabrillo Port 72-million gallon floating LNG terminal approximately 14 miles off the coast of Malibu. The final environmental impact statement for the project acknowledges that it will cause significant impact to air and water quality, public safety, marine wildlife, views, recreation, noise and agriculture impacts that cannot be mitigated or avoided. Residents of coastal California have been lobbying for months against the venture. The citizens of Boston are fighting to end the dangerous passage (commercial traffic, roads and bridges are closed during this time) of LNG tankers into Bostons inner harbour. These LNG tankers have been termed floating bombs vulnerable to terrorist action. Excelerate Energy is now constructing a deepwater port 12 miles outside Cape Ann in Massachusetts (outside US territorial waters). Why cant our gas port be built far away from human habitation? A Japanese-type environmental impact assessment needs to be conducted for the entire project. It should be clear that many of the tensions and conflicts that exist in Pakistan are related to environmental problems generated by islands of prosperity in oceans of poverty, to quote from an address made by President General Pervez Musharraf in February this year. As is being increasingly perceived around the world, especially in the European Union, climate change, brought about by destruction of the environment and progressive decimation of living species, is no longer merely an economic or environmental issue. Margaret Beckett, the first woman foreign secretary of the UK, recently stated, Anyone wanting to trace the links between what science is telling us about physical impacts and the broader ramifications for our security would do well to read a startling report that appeared last Monday. The Military Advisory Board is a group of the most respected retired Admirals and Generals in the United States. . . . They are about as far as you can get from the old stereotype of a tree-hugging environmentalist. And yet in that report they state, categorically, that projected climate change poses a serious threat to Americas national security. It is, they say: a threat multiplier for instability in some of the most volatile regions of the world. In other words, an unstable climate will make the very kinds of tensions and conflicts that the Security Council deals with, day in day out, yet more frequent and even more severe. Now, who, repeat who, amongst what is erroneously known as the ruling elite is capable of heeding all that we read and know? Regrettably all are selfish and all adhere to their individual one point agendas. [email protected]


DAWN APRIL 20, 2007
Letters to the Editor
KEE: a project we can live without

THIS has reference to the Karachi elevated expressway issue which has been covered by news reports in your esteemed daily. There are several lessons that can be learnt from the various other contexts which had built expressways in anticipation of solving traffic problems. Many of those city administrations have already demolished them. The historic city of Boston, Massachusetts, is a prominent mention. An elevated central artery was inaugurated as early as in 1959 to ease the traffic flow. Soon it was realised that it was doing more harm than good. After careful thinking and consequent planning, a massive $14.6 billion project was launched to replace the six-lane elevated highway with an eight- to-10-lane underground tunnel which is regarded as a civil engineering marvel of the present century. Bostonians have since been celebrating the cultural and social union of the city which was separated by an ugly-looking transport corridor. Likewise, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, has demolished its Pak East Freeway for similar objectives. In Seoul, South Korea, a 3.7km stretch of expressway has been demolished to revive the cultural activities and spaces on the River Cheonggyecheon edge. Many more examples can be cited. It is most unfortunate that while the other cities are learning from mistakes of yore and rectifying them, we are committing fatal mistakes without even a reason for them. The Karachi elevated expressway is an undesirable project which will ruin the traffic, aesthetics and social structure of this unfortunate city. I hope that the good sense will prevail and the regime will reconsider its decision. DR NOMAN AHMED Department of Architecture & Planning, NED University of Engineering & Technology, Karachi
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BESIDES your timely editorial, Karachi elevated expressway (April 8), several articles have appeared on the subject recently by eminent experts like Ardeshir Cowasjee, Arif Hasan, Mukhtar Alam, indicating that the project awarded to IJM Malaysian firm without inviting competitive tenders at a cost of $225m, rising to $350m or $500m, is badly flawed. It is claimed to require 142,835 vehicles daily, including cars and heavy trucks, paying Rs20 to 40 per trip, to retrieve the cost in about 20 years. The toll will be taken away in

foreign currency by the investors. Only experts can judge how it compares with debt-servicing the taxpayers will have to pay for a long time. Most of the concerns of the writers include environmental pollution of air, noise, restricting access to sunlight, view, higher congestion at inlet and exit points causing gridlocks, besides accident hazards by heavy trucks, trailers, oil and hazardous cargo tankers, using the elevated expressway, apart from heavy dislocation due to construction activity on roads for several years. The technical, economic and financial feasibility has not been prepared and the route is also not the most congested one, as compared to other routes like TowerSohrab Goth priority #1, Cantonment-Orangi priority #2, Nazimabad-North Karachi priority #3, and forms only priority #4 of the 1991 approved Mass Transit Master Plan. Boston, New York, Seoul, Paris and San Fransisco have dismantled such elevated structures due to similar reasons. This route can be easily served at a fraction of cost, little environmental hazards, by implementing the railways century-old plan to add two more tracks from the KPT to Pipri, with modern signalling, to operate more efficient freight and fast, economical metro rail for commuters, with improved access to stations, helping drastic reduction of cars, the main culprit for congestion. Extra land is available since 1860s. This will permit all the cargo traffic off Karachi roads, easing congestion, besides saving losses of the Pakistan Railways, reducing highway wear, and saving a billion dollars of fuel imports. This has proved that even on other high priority corridors, instead of elevated structures and flyovers, the best option is the basement level subway metro plan of Rapid Transit Cell, presented to the CCI in December 1975, in which the entire construction activity was proposed under the movable rail-mounted ramp-bridge through subway by rail, without affecting road traffic.

S.M.H. RIZVI Karachi
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
rahat said:
In is unfortunate that peoples like you support MQM blindly due to some personal interests also claimed to be the experts on "environment". But they did not even know the ABC of the subject.
I am quotation only one project of city nazim with the finance of foreign donors, as it evolves big kicks back. The subject project is famous "elevated expx way on shaharih-e-faisal.
Below are the some of the concerns of the reputed professionals related to the field. Hope after reading that no one will try to hide the corruption of MQM being underway:


Send Something Of 2009. And also explain, how you can say there is kick backs in the project. Kick back can be taken in any project. To stop kick back, we should stop development?
I wish you showed same enthusiasm,
in exposing Northern Punjab, where people are crying for New Province.

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PakPatriot1

Senator (1k+ posts)
@ Rahat:

I never said I am an expert in environmental science. How about if I say the cricket is my favorite sports. Will it make me a test cricketer?
Your attitude just shows your tunnel vision for those people of Pakistan who want to bring decency in the lives of common Pakistanis.
I wish all the development projects could have been under gone with JI or PTI or PMLN or PPP then you would have been dancing on the streets because there is a huge amount of money would be available to all you guys. But unfortunately, the money is in safer hands now and is being spent properly. It is not available to you to make palaces in and out of Pakistan.

Now come to the point.

I have read all of the articles you posted. I admit here you have good knowledge of how to use google to search and bring other peoples work on the table. Is there anything that you by yourself can produce in your favor?
These articles were written in 2007. They are just technical issues raised by some critics. Thats normal for any mega project. I never saw any project that has gone through without any objection. In this particular project, all the valid issues have been removed and now the project is on the way successfully and no one went to the court against it. It means they have no objection any more.

The five star hotel chains giants like Hashwani Group, Cristian communit, Parsi community and so on are all keeping themselves quite now, means they have agreed on the feasibility of the project. Otherwise, if the project was impacting the business of Sheraton Hotel, or PC etc. then these are well established to go to the court and can receive the stay order on the project. This is very common practice in Pakistan.

Now look at the other side, what city nazim says on the project:
an agreement was signed with a Malaysian firm, IJM, for the first elevated expressway last week, bids would be called for the second one as well, and the company qualifying this process would be awarded the contract. Mustafa said the city government had adopted a policy of public-private partnership. He said IJM will also bring finances for the expressway connecting Airport with the Jinnah Bridge and, in return, will collect toll tax for 15 years.

He said Karachi, with a population of 14 million, is spread over 1800 square kilometers and has a long network of main roads, arteries and sub-roads. With a burgeoning population, the number of vehicles is also increasing by the day.

It may be mentioned that traffic jams on Shahra-e-Faisal have become a routine as the key artery is often used for VVIP movement. Traffic volumes on various intersections of Shahra-e-Faisal vary from 1,21,641 vehicles to 2,58,005 vehicles during the daytime. At peak hours, most intersections reach saturation levels.

All the traffic emanating from, or heading towards, Port Qasim, Pakistan Steel, and Export Promotion Zone use Shahra-e-Faisal, putting added pressure on the already clogged road. The situation becomes miserable for motorists at intersections where it takes quite long for snarl-ups to clear.

Most mega cities of the world have one or more signal-free corridors to allow travel without interruption. "We are trying to reduce traveling time of citizens," Mustafa said. Once the signal-free corridor from Jinnah Bridge to Quidabad is complete, it will take 40 percent less time than it does now to travel between the two points. He said elevated expressway from New Karachi to Merewether Tower will also reduce traveling time to a large extent and ease pressure on their wallets.
Replying to a question, he said the two elevated expressways, once commissioned, will provide employment to a large number of skilled and unskilled people.

He said all encroachments coming in the way of expressways would be removed. A survey in this regard was being carried out.

He said the two expressways would be included in the City Master Plan of 2020 which is under preparation. Underground utility lines are the biggest hurdle in the way of its completion. "But we have resolved the matter and very soon the master plan would be in place with its digital maps," he said.

He said the only solution of traffic congestion in the city was a mass transit programme.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
It is quite clear that you have nothing to do with the technical experts and their findings. I listed the views of all the reputed related professional and stake holders. I being a professional of the related field quite agreed with their views. The views of the professionals are still valid but wherers are the personal interests involved no one of our "ruling elite" including the nazim cares them.

One of the interested things of the project was the award of the contract to the Malaysian firm without proper processing tendering. In this regard the Transparency International put remarks on the ranking of Malaysia due to unfair and non transparent manner. Every one know who (Nazim) has links and assets in Malaysia.

Furthermore, some one pointed out the signal free corridors to which the city government is expending billions of rupees to facilitate the public. I can say that these are the wastage of public money on the rubbish projects and only interests are the kick back. There is no professional study conducted to find the ways to tackle the situation. In the modern worlds all the arteries are signal free with the signals and without expending a single penny the system is upgraded for its intelligence and efficient traffic flow. I have some expertise on the issue and we asked several times to set the teams of experts for the evaluations and solutions but a non technical expert nazim and all his picked professional in the city government are most corrupt peoples of the Pakistan. They all own billions of assets and protection from MQM to flourish corruption. No doubt the same elements are present in most of the governments agencies and they have protection for their corruptions from different political groups.

So don't involve yourself to promote corruption but try to expose all of them, no mater who they are from which party or group they belongs.

If we will keep silence on these big sins against the poor and deserved peoples of Pakistan, then God will never forgive us.
 

mazharjp

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
PakPatriot1 said:
mazharjp said:
@ Rahat

Please contact to my e-mail : [email protected] if its fine with you.
I am working on to expose MQM corruption and terrorism in Karachi with credible evidence.
We may help each other by shearing Information.

Peace
O! ho
Another pile of Raddi paper is on the way.
To help you out I advice you to to ask Naseer Ullah Baber, Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif also. They are the best source of this waste of time.
Or you are already working for them, arn't you?

I am proud to be against all these pathetic Politicians and their stupid followers like you.
I believe Urdu speaking people of Karachi and all over Pakistan is the most peaceful and Intelligent people
hijack by the Terrorist Group MQM.

Just wanted to prove my point that All the Urdu speaking people are not Terrorist, As MQM is
Until now Urdu speaking people didn't had a choice, but now they do.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
Another example of corruption carried out by the MQM (both groups, Haqqaqi and Altaf) is the illegal allotment, abuse and depriving peoples from their assets is the famous "GUTTAR BAGACHA" land.

The some of the details are :


What is Gutter Baghicha
Plot No. K. 28/108


Gutter Baghicha forms the lungs of old karachi, the largest continuous open green space in this city of 13 million people. Located in SITE Town along the Manghopir Road, the most densely populated part of Karachi, Gutter Baghicha is a public amenity space, and it is used to be bigger - 1017 acres of greenery in the pre-independence Trans-Lyari area.
If we do not act now, we will lose what is left of this Baghicha - approximately 480 acres. With this will go the opportunity of reviving the only open space in old Karachi that can be redeveloped as a green area and made into a recreation space for generations to come. Every moment is vital.
What it Was
A Karachi Municipality map of 1892 shows that Plot No. K 28/108 is 113 years old and its surrounding area was transferred to the Karachi Municipality by the British Crown free of cost.

Its appellation of 'gutter' originated from storm drainage channels of Lyari River known as the Shone Drainage System. Later these channels also took the sewerage water, originating in the adjoining built up areas, which was then used to grow cereals, green fodder and vegetables. It later came to be known as the Sewage Farm.

At the time of partition, the Baghicha was referred to as 'the largest urban forest in Karachi'. Apart from the cultivated area, there were also large tracts of natural vegetation. Old inhabitants speak of deer roaming freely and of an abundance of flora and fauna. It was a place of natural beauty, recreation, peace and quiet.

In 1969 map of Karachi, Gutter Baghicha is shown as a 'Municipal Garden' spread over an area of 1016.76 acres. Technically, it is still all government land, meant for public recreation.

What it Has Now Become

In the past three decades Gutter Baghicha has become less and less of a 'baghicha' and more and more of a 'gutter'. According to the karachi Building and Town Planning Regulations (part II) of 1979 (page 61) and 2002 ( Reg. 19-3-4) plots like Gutter Baghicha can only be utilized for common public welfare. Growing population, unauthorized housing and the failure of government to provide sanitation systems has led to sewage from large parts of the city pouring into the Baghicha. A treatment plant, developed in 1961 to treat the sewage water, is no longer in working condition. However the storm water channels built by the British are still being used to bring water from Lyari River and wastewater from the Site industrial area and this mixed untreated water, unfit for human consumption, is illegally used for cultivation.
Memories of an Old Man
Fateh Muhammad Nazar is 75 years old. A native of old Golimar (near the Gutter Baghicha). He remembers Gutter Baghicha as a place of comfort and recreation.

" Gutter Baghicha was like a jungle while I was a child. A very beautiful jungle. We used to sit under the trees. People who came from remote places, after long journeys on foot, used to take rest under the shady trees of Gutter Baghicha before continuing to their destinations. There were also deer in the area. I remember the shooting of two films, Ladla and Jaag Utha Insaan at this location.



Story of Gutter Baghicha
The story of Gutter Baghicha is a story of greed, connivance, and land grabbing by some citizens and officials of this city, and a story of apathy and indifference by the rest of us who call this city our home. A story where the poor have had no voice and a story of deafening silence in the corridors of power.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
Lets see the latest drama of Altaf. Below is the letter, which he published in media addressed to Chief Justice of Pakistan. He asked him to take suo-moto action against the loan defaulters. He praised his struggle for the provision of justice to the peoples, independence of Judiciary, combat corruption and against the dictatorial actions of the rulers.

How strange it is and how he changes color at all the occasions, it is amazing. He was in the power for the most of the times since the MQM came to existence, but he never taken any such steps to the benefits of the peoples. The reason is oblivious he is the agent of the ruling privileged classes.

He was one of the biggest supporters of the dictator Musharraf, and committed a brutal blood shed of the innocent peoples who joined Chief justices struggle against the dictator Musharraf on May 12, 2007. It is a historical evidence that MQM was strongly resistance to the restoration of the Chief Justice, as being the agent of privileged ruling elite, it was is duty to protect their interests.

But now the peoples are aware with the Altafs lies and no one will even pay attention to his lies.
 

londoner71

New Member
IF PEOPLE WANTS TO KNOW ABOUT MQM, JUST LOOK FOR FEW OF THE THINGS WHICH MQM HAS BEEN DOING SINCE THEY CAME INTO GOVERNMENT/POWER, FEW MONTHS BACK THIS PIG ALTAF HUSSAIN ANNOUNCED THAT KARACHI's MAYOR HAS BEEN NOMINATED AS THE 2ND BEST MAYOR OF THE WORLD, THAT WAS THE BIGEST LIE OF ALL TIME, THERE IS NO PROOF OF SUCH NOMINATION, AS A MATTER OF FACT KARACHI WAS NOMINATED INTO 2 CATOGORIES BUT IN 57 AND 69th POSITION, CLICK ON THIS LINK AND CHECK FOR YOUR SELF http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/200 ... of_karachi ..................
THE GOVERNOR OF SIND, ISHRAT UL IBAD, HE USED TO TAKE INCOME SUPPORT AND COUNCIL BENIFITS FROM BRITISH GOVERNMENT, HE GOT CALLED FROM DICTATOR MUSHRAF AND INSTATED AS GOVERNOR OF SIND, ISN'T IT SAID THAT MQM IS THE ONE WHO ALWAYS SUPPORTED DECTATOR SHIP WHILE ITS TRAITOR LEADERS BLAMING OTHERS OF DOING SO. WHY ALTAF HUSSAIN IS STILL LIVING IN UK, WHY DOESNT HE GO BACK TO PAKISTAN, IF HE LOVE HIS COUNTRY, HE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE COUNTRY, OH NO, YEH HE LOVE HIS COUNTRY, HE LOVES ENGLAND, THATS HIS COUNTRY, HOW CAN HE LEAVE HIS BELOVED COUNTRY, PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE, WAKE UP, THINK, HOW WAS KARACHI BEFORE MQM, KARACHI WASNT THAT BAD, SINCE MQM CAME TO EXISTENCE KARACHI IS IN TROUBLE, THINK THINK AND REFUSE MQM, TELL THEM TO GO TO HELL, AND INSHA ALLAH THEY WILL AFTER KILLING SO MANY INNOCENT YOUNG AND OLD PEOPLE, TELL ALTAF HUSSAIN TO GO TO HELL........................AND ONE MORE THING IF SOME ONE IS SAYING SOMETHING THEN LISTEN TO HIM/HER 1ST AND THEN TALK, IN THE VIDEO CLIPS ABOVE YOU JUST PICKD ONE SENTENCE U SHUD LISTEN COMPLETELY AND ONLY THEN COMMENT.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
rahat said:
Lets see the latest drama of Altaf. Below is the letter, which he published in media addressed to Chief Justice of Pakistan. He asked him to take suo-moto action against the loan defaulters. He praised his struggle for the provision of justice to the peoples, independence of Judiciary, combat corruption and against the dictatorial actions of the rulers.

How strange it is and how he changes color at all the occasions, it is amazing.He was in the power for the most of the times since the MQM came to existence, but he never taken any such steps to the benefits of the peoples. The reason is oblivious he is the agent of the ruling privileged classes.

He was one of the biggest supporters of the dictator Musharraf, and committed a brutal blood shed of the innocent peoples who joined Chief justices struggle against the dictator Musharraf on May 12, 2007. It is a historical evidence that MQM was strongly resistance to the restoration of the Chief Justice, as being the agent of privileged ruling elite, it was is duty to protect their interests.

But now the peoples are aware with the Altafs lies and no one will even pay attention to his lies.

In terms of votes, MQM represents 10%. In terms of assembly MQM represents 7%.
Now, it is said, judiciary is independent and free. So, he should take action. As in letter, it was requested to convert it in a petition.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
There is no need to say how the elections are being conducted in Karachi / Hyderabad. The reports of independent observers including European Union are a logical answer of it. So the claims that MQM got 10% of total votes can be analysis in that context. I myself is the witness of all these bogus and fraud voting in Karachi. The peoples of Karachi are now feel themselves hostages to the MQM.

If, now Altaf is sincere to accountability, lets ask him to start from himself. He should declare all of his present assets and what belongs to him at the time of launching MQM. In this way he should demonstrate the assets of all of the prominent leaders/ ministers. MNAs/ MPAs / senators of MQM.

Yes Altaf work 16 hours, to accumulate the wealth and to plan new ways in order to keep peoples hostages, to flourish corruption and criminalize.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
rahat said:
There is no need to say how the elections are being conducted in Karachi / Hyderabad. The reports of independent observers including European Union are a logical answer of it. So the claims that MQM got 10% of total votes can be analysis in that context. I myself is the witness of all these bogus and fraud voting in Karachi. The peoples of Karachi are now feel themselves hostages to the MQM.
If, now Altaf is sincere to accountability, lets ask him to start from himself. He should declare all of his present assets and what belongs to him at the time of launching MQM. In this way he should demonstrate the assets of all of the prominent leaders/ ministers. MNAs/ MPAs / senators of MQM.
Yes Altaf work 16 hours, to accumulate the wealth and to plan new ways in order to keep peoples hostages, to flourish corruption and criminalize.


In 1993 General elections held in Pakistan, MQM boycotted the National Assembly elections as the Agencies not allowing MQM to contest on many seats of Karachi, So it was the chance for Jamat e Islami to show their strength and power in Karachi,

Qazi Hussain Ahmed the then Ameer of Jamat e Islami and Munawwar Hassan the current Ameer of Jamat e Islami took part in Elections from Karachi and both Contested for the National Assembly Seats.

This was the time when the Brave People of Karachi shows their Loyalty to MQM and Altaf Hussain and Spit on the Munafiq face of Jamat e Ismai.

Here is what both of them get from Karachi

Qazi Hussain contested from NA-191 and got 8,452 votes and Lost.

Munawwar Hassan contested from NA-193 and got only 8,550 votes and lost as well.


The percentage of votes they got from their constituencies are merely 2-3% votes, mind it no MQM in the field, Army on the streets of Karachi doing operation against MQM on the charges of Jinnah Pur and Jamati Munafiqs lost the elections and their Ameer and Secretary General both got only 2-3 % votes.

So the people who blame MQM especially outsiders who dont live in Karachi and Jamat e Islami mouth Piece on internet, can tell us why people rejected the Jamat e Islami and didnt vote for them when there was no rigging and no MQM contesting the Elections?

I Salute Brave people of Karachi who spit the Munafiqs on the face in 1993 Elections and shows the world that people of Karachi Hate Jamat e Islami who signed the Notorious Quota System that causes the Financial Massacre for the Urban Sindh People
 

MHASHMI

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
After looking into the few replies of MQM paid agents, I can only pray to Allah to give them the courage to forgive the innocent peoples of Pakistan.

Please dont protect the crimes of Altaf and MQM committed against the humanity. Do away with the personal interests and find some respectable way of living instead of living with as paid agent of criminals. It will give you peace here and in the life after death.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
MHASHMI said:
After looking into the few replies of MQM paid agents, I can only pray to Allah to give them the courage to forgive the innocent peoples of Pakistan.

Please dont protect the crimes of Altaf and MQM committed against the humanity. Do away with the personal interests and find some respectable way of living instead of living with as paid agent of criminals. It will give you peace here and in the life after death. [/

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MYCOUNTRY

Minister (2k+ posts)
Mustafa Kamal key kia khoub tarbiat training key haay Queid e Tehreek naay.......Kia Ghulamana andaz sekhaya hay,,,,,,,,,,,,que jab ex president Clinton saay shekayat laga raha tha tab bhee our Abb Canada kay Mr.Nicholas Coghlan saay bhee kaisi Ghlamana/ Khoshamdana/Fidwiyana andaz apnaya haay Magar jab eak Ghareeb Khatton apny walid kay lia baat karti hay to badmash ban jata haay.............Aur ab MQM kay ghulam M.K kay phot kis fakar say arsaal kar rahain hain................SHARM TUM KO MAGAR NAHI ATI.................
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
People like Nawaz Sharif, Imran, Qazi, etc. should have raised this issue, but they didn't.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
We dont have any hope from the people like Altaf, Zardari, Nawaz, Qazi, Asfander Yar Wali, Maulana Fazular Rehamn etc. who are only protecting the Ruling elite privileged classes.

The peoples of Pakistan only trust Imran Khan for his clear vision and commitment to establish a fair and system based on justice and welfare.
We should sacrifice our personal interests to support the corrupt leaders and support Imran Khan the noble cause.
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
rahat said:
We dont have any hope from the people like Altaf, Zardari, Nawaz, Qazi, Asfander Yar Wali, Maulana Fazular Rehamn etc. who are only protecting the Ruling elite privileged classes.
The peoples of Pakistan only trust Imran Khan for his clear vision and commitment to establish a fair and system based on justice and welfare.
We should sacrifice our personal interests to support the corrupt leaders and support Imran Khan's noble cause.

It has been decided, in the election, who people are trusted.
It will decide again in the next election.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
It is a moral crime to just watch what these exploiters are doing with the nation and keep silence. But it is the duty of everyone to raise their voice and expose these culprits and exploiters. It is the only way to save the nation from these elements and to play our due role as a sincere and honest Pakistanis.
Hope no one now will protect these corrupt rulers and their agents.
 
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