Imran khan and Tahir ul Qadri revolutions are non starters , there are better ways to improve things

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
Revolution in Pakis tan is an impossibility ,what people generally mean by revolution here is an improvement in an already semi functional existing system in a rapid radical way .

In a country where People start fighting with you if you ask them to not smoke in your nose or not to spit right and left or not to urinate here and there , what is the chance that one day they just get up from bed purified from all ills . Then there is a million ,army ,police ,civil servants each ,with interest in the system ,will they just stop breathing or become immobile and allow a singing and dancing Imran khan to reform them . This is unlikely .


Revolutions occur in societies where there are wealthy people counted on fingers with property and means and millions left out ,if there were indeed such circumstances they were between 1947 and 1978 , and militarycoups spoiled that chance .Now even though there is poverty but property owners are in tens of millions , no socialist revolution is possible . No matter how hard street hooligans like to kill and destroy , no matter how hard a lesson in lawlessness is given by TUQ and IR , they will be lynched . That type of scenario even if Imran khan and shaikh rasheed try hardest to create , which before them Bhutto and khar tried to create will not occur but they will be actually hanged if they do that .

So by revolution is it meant that better deal for village folks , then allow me to say that democracy has worked to detriment of urban lot and favoured unjustly the rural lot , see every government office of federal or provincial government or police , almost 90% posts are occupied by villagers , how were they placed , did they beat urban boy with urban education in competitive exams , no ,they were recruited in droves with low merit by local politicians by subsequent waves of democracy , they then helped each other rise due to
sifarish culture deeply embedded in in our rural folks

Apart from sifarshi recruitment these feudal rural politicans did not work very seriously in improving villages and made palatial houses in their villages where they come to govern for a few days and live in Karachi ,Lahore and islamabad etc themselves . Imran khan will neither win in villages and neither did he win in last elections , if he brings merit it will be resisted by rural folks but that means that people from good colleges ,often in cities will get everything . Crime is a sport for some in our rural areas and local politicians main task is to get their boys released .


funds for social services dissappear because WAPDA benefits not only itself , but gives to energy industry and pashtuns as well as army , there is steel mill to be looted by MQM and Zardari ,there is PIA to benefit PPP and retired officers ,all subsidy if stopped and the monopoly finished will bring at least 200 billion for social support for poor . Then there are overinflated weapons procurement systems ,then there is a non functional judiciary . These are small moves but poor can benefit . Why do not we allow banks to stabilize food prices , why can we invest in agriculture . These moves do not require revolution , Why we allow selling of plots ,this raises urban living cost as they increase in price with every changing hand .

I regard the investment plan of Nawaz from china and middleast a good plan but not enough , IK and TUQ will not be able to bring that type of wealth in the country as they are not experienced ,they are social workers who get money via donations ,they essentially are a type of tax men not creators of wealth , Pakistan needs creators of wealth ,we are already oversupplied with political slogans and tax men and orators .
 
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salaudin

Senator (1k+ posts)
Rule of Law;

that is all this revolution is about. The members of Status Quo should be under the law and the implementation of the law (i.e. execution) should be just.

It is not some sort of a socialistic revolution.
 

rtabasum2

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Nawaz Shareef is a security risk with his contacts with US n India ur beloved Army does not want him, he is going out whatever u call this revolution n they r going to do it through supreme court, as I told u a few months ago. SC is going to listen to the biggest Gullu Butt and that is Army so don't get surprised if u get revolutionary decision in coming weeks from SC. Big indicator of judicary working for revoloutionary was today when on Sunday that is no working day Islamabad high court from home ordered freeing of PTI workers from jail, u shud see in which direction the wind is blowing.
 
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Ghaffar Alvi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
well what experiance you are talking about? Its not experiance its vision that takes to development. Mahtir mohammed had no experiance when he came to power, Gamal abdul nasir had no experiance in running government but you will never find a leader like him who had done momentous jobs for ppl in arab world. Ayub khan did not had experiance but he had done so much in 10 years that last 40 years our rulers have not done even 50%. Quadiazam had no experiance ofbeing a counceler before becoming governor general. Its vision not experiance. If any idiot belives that Noora has vision i have a bridge to sell.
You are right system will not change untill ppl like you do not change your mentality and believe in themself that they can.
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
rtabassum2478 said:
Nawaz Shareef is a security risk with his contacts with US n India ur beloved Army does not want him, he is going out whatever u call this revolution n they r going to do it through supreme court, as I told u a few months ago. SC is going to listen to the biggest Gullu Butt and that is Army so don't get surprised if u get revolutionary decision in coming weeks from SC. Big indicator of judicary working for revoloutionary was today when on Sunday that is no working day Islamabad high court from home ordered freeing of PTI workers from jail, u shud see in which direction the wind is blowing.
Yes I have noticed the IHC order . See my thread about it . I also indicated much before these dharnas started insome reads that Nawaz should its utmost to remove kasi and siddiqui from IHC otherwise they will stab in the back . There are pending supreme judicial council complaints against them .


SC might have played a more active role if IK million march had materialized but not now , it will act via IHC as it did today . We regard IK and TUQ as hundred times more security risk than Nawaz . Shah mahmood is in my view already prepared for post IK PTI scenario in Sindh .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
well what experiance you are talking about? Its not experiance its vision that takes to development. Mahtir mohammed had no experiance when he came to power, Gamal abdul nasir had no experiance in running government but you will never find a leader like him who had done momentous jobs for ppl in arab world. Ayub khan did not had experiance but he had done so much in 10 years that last 40 years our rulers have not done even 50%. Quadiazam had no experiance ofbeing a counceler before becoming governor general. Its vision not experiance. If any idiot belives that Noora has vision i have a bridge to sell.
You are right system will not change untill ppl like you do not change your mentality and believe in themself that they can.
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The examples you have quoted as inexperienced men is not correct , they were all experienced in one or the other services , if there is really a good example of inexperienced person it was Benazir Bhutto .
 

Islamabadi1

Minister (2k+ posts)
as long as the protesters remain peaceful....there will be no change of government...sooner or later violence will erupt...untill then nothing....nearly 1000 egyptians died in tahrir square and im afraid we will need that type of level of violence before any change is expected....
 

umerazam

MPA (400+ posts)
what experience you are talking about.....You have no idea what you are talking about....

the biggest agreements are done between governments like atomic energy , weapons and bigger stuff that PM is involved in ......baki choti investments k liye investment boards, people making policies and others are responsible.......
Nawaz Shareef apne bhateeje le k investment apne business k liye lene jata ha.....Not for this nation

China has interest in us that is why that are investing in us....Irrelevant of government they will invest if we give them ample opportunities and friendly policies but then again what about local industry,......china ki investment k peeche ab apni industry ko bilkul band nae krwana...let them invest in energy
 

Ghaffar Alvi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
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The examples you have quoted as inexperienced men is not correct , they were all experienced in one or the other services , if there is really a good example of inexperienced person it was Benazir Bhutto .

I think you have memory problem you have said noora has more experiance, and imran has no experiance you moron!
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
what experience you are talking about.....You have no idea what you are talking about....

the biggest agreements are done between governments like atomic energy , weapons and bigger stuff that PM is involved in ......baki choti investments k liye investment boards, people making policies and others are responsible.......
Nawaz Shareef apne bhateeje le k investment apne business k liye lene jata ha.....Not for this nation

China has interest in us that is why that are investing in us....Irrelevant of government they will invest if we give them ample opportunities and friendly policies but then again what about local industry,......china ki investment k peeche ab apni industry ko bilkul band nae krwana...let them invest in energy
. The PTI ,PAT people are really biased bunch ,they see experience in inexperience ,they see inexperience in experience . These boards of investment full of civilian government servants are nothing morean report producer , I have known several such top civil servants ,average is the word , unless there is a strong business leadership ,a military and civil strategic leadership behind it no investment can come , will TUQ bring investment , he can bring more murreeds that I do not doubt .
 

shaikh

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think you have memory problem you have said noora has more experiance, and imran has no experiance you moron!
It is already showing , IK has agencies , SC , shias , MQM , large part of young urban population , part of pashto on population ,media on his side apart from US yet he is rotting in contaimer for last 30 days , Bussiness community is fed up with him , police ask every day their officers to finish this rebellious bunch and let thm go home ,why this tamasha, there are those egotistic songs , run short of variety . Mao tse tung type personality cult . See the sober Nawaz , doing his job silently , he too was a good orator but he has put Imran and TUQ on display to public to decide , he hardly talks or airs programmes , he knows that if powers are not with IK ,he cannot get anything except his sweat out of it .
 

Ghaffar Alvi

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
It is already showing , IK has agencies , SC , shias , MQM , large part of young urban population , part of pashto on population ,media on his side apart from US yet he is rotting in contaimer for last 30 days , Bussiness community is fed up with him , police ask every day their officers to finish this rebellious bunch and let thm go home ,why this tamasha, there are those egotistic songs , run short of variety . Mao tse tung type personality cult . See the sober Nawaz , doing his job silently , he too was a good orator but he has put Imran and TUQ on display to public to decide , he hardly talks or airs programmes , he knows that if powers are not with IK ,he cannot get anything except his sweat out of it .
Noora is good orator? what a joke? and what business pakistan has and what economy? noora hamesha noora hota hai...Jitni nufrat ub log nooray say kartay hain shahid he pehlay kisi ruler se itni nufrat loogon nay ki hai.
 
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kammi_kameen

MPA (400+ posts)
You are the best political analyst of this forum hands down . Again very well written . You hit the nail in the head . Very impartial and always thoughtful . Well done
 
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