Hindu Pandit: Please God let Hindus go to hell.....

[Nepali Pandit]

I don't use my mind or logic when I think about God, as it is the matter of faith, i only listen to me heart.

Thank you everybody for informative comments. I still believe God is neither Hindu, Christian, Jew or Muslim. I still believe in karma (As You Sow, So You Reap). We are all Gods Creation, he/she loves us all equally. I believe God will not ask me for my Muslim id when I die, he will greet me like my dad or mum as he is my creator. I don't think God cares how I remember or worship him/her. I think wherever there is pure love there is God. I believe there will be a pure love between me and God when we meet after i leave my body.

I never see or think about religion when I see people from any background, I treat them all equally. I become equally happy to be of help to anybody. As we are all Gods creation we are all the same for him.

Above sentiments are not based on any religion and are only my personal feelings.

 

[Nepali Pandit]

@SherKhan:
Now we have 2 separate matters on our hand:

1- Obviously the choices are selected as you described them respectively.

2- But do u think that, Allah don't care how I worship Him ?

1st Kalma:

a- There is no God(Ilah) except Allah (Ilah= Raziq+Malik+Khaliq+Rab and no one is Ilah except Allah)
b- Muhammad Sallallah ho Alahai wa Salm is His prophet (Showing that the only way of living+praying+thanking+worshiping Allah etc is the way the Prophet shows us by his action and the only way of having a successfull here n hereafter is to follow his way of life).

What do you thing that why our Prophet (Sallallah ho Alaihai wa Salam) was praying to Allah to make his uncle (ABu Talib) to accept Islam if its not matter how he worship Him?

Doesn't all the religion say our way is the only way, Why would God be so rigid ? What's wrong If i want to worship God in my way, why is it so important? Do you thinks creator of whole world, all the galaxies and stars would ................

 

[taul]

Doesn't all the religion say our way is the only way, Why would God be so rigid ? What's wrong If i want to worship God in my way, why is it so important? Do you thinks creator of whole world, all the galaxies and stars would ................

---God is never ever rigid,it's humans who stay arrogant and stubborn.Allah ( SWT ) is Most Merciful and Most Loving toward HIS creation and have bestowed everyone with countless bounties as i mentioned earlier even if someone doesn't believe in HIM,HE still provides such persons with bounties of this world..We humans through our weaknesses try to name certain things and think of them in a certain way that they are completely not.You use your mind and brain when it comes to earnings and you strive for the best one,but purposely try to fall short in Acknowledging the truth and accepting it.Treating others in a good way falls under Good morals and Islam has emphasized on it a lot.


--It's of Utmost importance to worship God as required by HIM..You must work in a company and no matter what, you need to abide by their laws or else you're out it's as simple as that,You can't tell your manager you'd wanna come after office hours or wear shorts to work or any such thing that isn't a part of firm's policy!!!!the logic is mere an example for such minds who try to generalize things and get confused...Policies provide uniformity amongst workers and a source of bond and a thing they can relate themselves to,some firms have policy of uniforms and require all employees to wear em...You can't live your life without rules and guidelines either and who better to provide all human beings the guidelines and laws than the Only One Creator HIMSELF..


--Religion has such guidelines that need to be strictly adhered to and Allah ( SWT) provided that in the form of Prophet Moses (Peace be upon him)to Jews in earlier days followed by guidance through Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him) and last of all Guidance for the whole mankind in the form of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)...


--Had we muslims of today's age were present at the time of Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) we were obliged to follow him and considered to be on Right path,similarly those who followed Prophet Jesus ( peace be upon him) after Prophet Moses (peace be upon him ) were righteous ones as Jews were required to follow their teachings of Torah and considered Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) to be the Messiah,some Accepted him while others refused and to this day they are waiting for Messiah to come.After Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) True followers of his teachings became Muslims since it was mentioned in Bible (Original Injeel) that Last of Prophets would come after him named Muhammad (Peace be upon him)..


--All the books in Abrahamic faiths have been revealed in Successions and Seal of Prophethood ended on Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Islam was to be the religion to be followed till the end of times..All the previous books of Jews and Christians have been manhandled and changed over time and lost it's pristine state whereas The Holy Quran have been "Unchanged and in Original form" since then and will remain so till the day of Judgment,as this is the Promise of Allah (SWT)HIMSELF in The Holy Quran that nothing will ever change it, and the world has Witnessed it for over 1400 years now!!


---Your thinking and speculations would not count much just as i gave trivial example of policy of any company earlier but the only thing that would count and matter is how God wanted HIS followers to follow and obey HIM...By following your own instincts rather than what is required by GOD you are not doing anyone harm but your own self...





@ sher_khan


--We Muslims are blessed to have been born as followers of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and it's our duty to convey the message of Truth to all our fellow human beings,,conveying the message in it's true spirit is a must and any dilution of it from our part would be not just an act of sin but we'd be double guilty of further alienating others. Spreading the word of truth is our duty and rest we should pray that May Allah (SWT) guide them.

--In this modern age and time i believe the message has been reached to everyone so it has become far much easier for all to come to know their True Creator and we being Muslims need to keep straight heads to be able to make things easy for our fellow humans.

 

[nabeel117]

Doesn't all the religion say our way is the only way, Why would God be so rigid ? What's wrong If i want to worship God in my way, why is it so important? Do you thinks creator of whole world, all the galaxies and stars would ................

Worship is etymologically derived from Old English words meaning "worth-ship". Giving worth to something/someone.....

What do u think if you want to give worth to some one and he do not like the way u r doing then it will be a Worship or disgrace????

Can I praise you by offering you non-veg as a token of my appreciation or disgracing you (knowing or unknowing that u don't like non-veg)?

 

[taul]

@ duke london



--First and foremost one must never ever quote a verse out of context since the whole purpose of the meaning is lost and secondly one should always look at the commentary of as to what was being said and meant.let me clarify regarding the Chapter 2 verse 61- 62 ...Chapter 2;verse 62 and Surah 5, Verse 69 bear the same meaning with the same context...There simply is NO contradiction at all in any of the following verses here...


2:61-And remember ye said: "O Moses! we cannot endure one kind of food (always); so beseech thy Lord for us to produce for us of what the earth groweth, -its pot-herbs, and cucumbers, Its garlic, lentils, and onions." He said: "Will ye exchange the better for the worse? Go ye down to any town, and ye shall find what ye want!" They were covered with humiliation and misery; they drew on themselves the wrath of Allah. This because they went on rejecting the Signs of Allah and slaying His Messengers without just cause. This because they rebelled and went on transgressing.

2:62- Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.








---Apart from the explanation of this verse i'll simply quote another 2 verses from Chapter 3: Verse 19 and Verse 85.


3:19 -The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.


3:85-If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah., never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).


--We need to be extremely careful in Presenting the verses from The Holy Quran.

 

[sher_khan]

@SherKhan:
Now we have 2 separate matters on our hand:

1- Obviously the choices are selected as you described them respectively.

2- But do u think that, Allah don't care how I worship Him ?

1st Kalma:

a- There is no God(Ilah) except Allah (Ilah= Raziq+Malik+Khaliq+Rab and no one is Ilah except Allah)
b- Muhammad Sallallah ho Alahai wa Salm is His prophet (Showing that the only way of living+praying+thanking+worshiping Allah etc is the way the Prophet shows us by his action and the only way of having a successfull here n hereafter is to follow his way of life).

What do you thing that why our Prophet (Sallallah ho Alaihai wa Salam) was praying to Allah to make his uncle (ABu Talib) to accept Islam if its not matter how he worship Him?

You have not answered my question. Please kindly provide me with the answer.

You have responded to my question via a question of yours. Hence prolonging the argument. I think that my question is a simple one and its only fair to expect an answer from you.

As far as your question is concerned, please show me a list of your "Gunah Kabirah/Major sins" which will not be forgiven by Allah. All the other sins are forgivable by God if we behave properly. There are different lists spread out. When you quote a list, please provide me with the name of the author/scholar and his date of birth. That is after how many years he/she was born after the passing away of Huzoor (SAW).

I have a list of my from an interpretation of Quran and would like to post it on the forum. I'll ask Taul how he posted his pages on the forum.

Thanks.

 

[PATRIOTIC_PAKISTANI]

Guyzzzzzzzzz...
Any one disObeying Allah Subhan O talahs Kalaam( The quran) will taste the core of the hell , unless blessed & forgiven by ALLAH..(ALLAH have already told the procedure > Takwa & Prays for forgiveness)...
I think instead of thinking if hindus or sikhs or follower of any other religion are going to hell ,, rather we should think whether "my direction is right or not ?" " Either angels are issueing tickets to hell for me or not "
May ALLAH Provide us with the quality googles to watch truth... Read & Follow Quran , Learn Sunnah.

. Jazak Allah.

 

[sher_khan]

@ sher_khan


--We Muslims are blessed to have been born as followers of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and it's our duty to convey the message of Truth to all our fellow human beings,,conveying the message in it's true spirit is a must and any dilution of it from our part would be not just an act of sin but we'd be double guilty of further alienating others. Spreading the word of truth is our duty and rest we should pray that May Allah (SWT) guide them.

--In this modern age and time i believe the message has been reached to everyone so it has become far much easier for all to come to know their True Creator and we being Muslims need to keep straight heads to be able to make things easy for our fellow humans.

There is more to what you have stated. I don't think that the verbal/sound byte invitation is good enough. In majority of the history, Islam has been spread because the non-muslims were impressed by the conduct of Muslims. For example, equal treatment of all the people, respect and rights of women, quick and fair justice system,welfare state, etc. Hence simple invitation to Islam is not considered enough. You have to display the superiority of Islam by your behavior.

It should be mentioned that Islam's invitation was given to all the societies that conducted their daily businesses through unfair means. Do you have an example of a society which had all the attributes of Islam, except for the way we pray. Furthermore, we know that Quran does not explicity tell people the mechanics of our prayers. However, it concentrates a lot and speaks volumes on how should we treat other people and how should we conduct our daily business. Does this not mean that the our attitude towards other people has superiority over our prayers for God? I think that good attitude towards God's creatures is a superior prayer to our five time mechanical prayers for Allah. I don't think that the message of Islam is daily five time prayers. Instead it is respecting and helping other people.

In contemporary times, there are cultures and societies in the world that are more Islamic in conduct than the Muslim countries. For example Canada has better minority rights, better financial assistance welfare system, better free health care system than Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Do you think that all the people of these countries will go to hell because they don't pray five times a day ? Even though they have preserved some major aspects of Islamic attributes which muslim states have failed to maintain?

Indeed five time prayers are important for the spiritual appetite and reinforcements of our believes so that we don't get lost. It is a factual history that man/woman has the tendency to get lost morally. We should always encourage the Islamic prayers. However, I don't understand the logic of spiritual persecution of people who don't agree with everything we say but still carry on the duties assigned by the God of all humanity to help the fellow-men. Are not all humans equal in the eyes of God when they are born? If yes, then why would the onus of discovering God via Islam will be on people of non-muslim origin?

The above statements are not my effort to continue a debate and prove myself right. Instead I am just thinking out loud. What do I know about God?.....Absolutely nothing. However, Allah has given me a mind which raises questions. I may be right but for sure and definitely I could be absolutely wrong.

Lastly, NP mentioned that he has two masters degrees. I think that one of them is in Psychology. He just wants to create a conflict among us Pakistanis. Just kidding.
:lol: :lol: :lol:


PS: In this thread you have posted some pages from a book. How did you do that?

 

[taul]

@ sher_khan



--I never disputed the fact about personal conduct and certainly that being the corner stone of Islam and should be reflected in Every Muslim's life and we all know Islam has stressed and emphasized so much on "Morals"..Even to this level that if someone's parents are Non-Muslims,still that does not give him/her the right to raise his/her voice in front of them and be always kind and have a soothing tone while addressing them.

--I clarified that while doing so we can't cross the boundaries of "Islam" and always state what is truth that being the Status of God as it is.. :)

 

[foqia khan]

Re: aRe: Hindu Pandit: Please God let Hindus go to hell.....

Very interesting post,I wonder what dialogs wouldbe there between nepali pandit and God .but this post gives the impression that God in muslim's faith is unfair or unjust. I have few Questions in mind , not meant to take side of my muslim God (bcuz I have not enough knowledge) just want to share my Questions ,that if u find their answers then plz share them with all of us ,may be your answers can help us too while presenting our cases, but before I write my Question ,I want u to share two small stories.

first story to give u idea what good deed means to God in muslim faith and second story about a person who wanted to enter the heaven on the base of his good deeds.


STORY NO.1)
The Tale of Torch and Water
one day,Rabia Basari the prominent name in female Sufi mystics, was seen carrying a torch in one hand and a bucket of water in the other hand in the street of Basara.when asked why she is carrying two opposite things in hands ,she said:
I want to put out the fires of Hell, and burn down the rewards of Paradise. they block the way to God. I do not want to worship from fear of punishment or for the promise of reward, but simply for the love of God.


STORY No. 2)
Angel Jibrail (as) told Rasulullah (peace be upon him) the follwing incident about a man in the past who worshipped Allah Ta'ala continuously for 500 years. He was granted a shelter on top of a mountain that was surrounded by salty water. However, Allah caused a stream of sweet water to flow through the mountain for that individual. The man would drink from this water and use it to make ablution. Allah Ta'ala also raised a pomegranate tree from which the man would eat one fruit every day.

One day, this person supplicated to Allah that, "Oh Allah, bring my death while I am in the state of prostration." Allah accepted this dua of his. Whenever Jibrail (as) came down to the Earth, he found this man prostrating to Allah. Jibrail (as) said that on the day of Judgement, Allah will tell the angels to take this individual to Paradise through His mercy. However, this man will insist that he should enter paradise through the good deeds that he had performed.

Then, Allah will tell the angels to compare his good deeds with the blessings that were given to him in the world. It will be seen that 500 years of his worship does not even equal to the gift of eye sight that was given to him by Allah. The angels will be asked to take him towards the hell fire. Then the man will plead, "Oh Allah! Enter me into Paradise only through Your mercy." At that point, the following discussion will take place between Allah and that man.

Allah: Oh my servant, who created you?

The worshipper: Oh Allah, You have created me.

Allah: Were you created because of the good deeds you have done or because of My mercy?

The worshipper: Because of Your mercy.

Allah: Who granted you the ability to worship for 500 years?

The worshipper: Oh the Almighty! You have granted me that ability.

Allah: Who placed you on the mountain surrounded by the ocean? Who caused a stream of sweet water to flow in between the salty water? Who caused a pomegranate tree to grow for you? Who granted you death while in the state of prostration?

The worshipper: Oh the Sustainer of the Worlds! You have done all of these.

Then Allah will say, "All these have happened due to My mercy and you too will enter Paradise only through My Mercy."

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Now lets say your case starts , u explain your whole story ,how u spend your life in doing good things... and then u ....yourself request God to throw u in hell (bcuz to u he seems unjust)...and it is bcuz that you don't believe in Absolute Oneness of Him ,so all your countless good deeds meant nothing ,to save u ,your parents and ancestors from hell ,so u don't care for the heaven. and I 'm sure that without giving u the justification God will never throw u in hell .

Now the Questions that I would like u to think and answer ,

let start from the oneness of God that what if he ask u that :
Q.1) What justification do u have when u knew that ultimately all religions believed that there is "One God" and the confussion was only in the explaination of oneness, where they all differ.I send my messangers time to time to correct the defination of oneness and to tell u that this is the only thing I hate most and can't compromise for it, so why didn't u use your intellectuality and time to sort out this confussion that what Oneness meant and what very basic right I expected from u that I sent so many messegers and Prophets to the world.

Q .2) after reading the second story ,don't u think that God has already paid u more than the good deeds u can ever do in your life ?

Q.3) Don't u think whatever you have and u love is not yours but the blessings of God,all your intectuality ,wealth,health,abilities ,relations like mother father ,aunties uncles are not something of your own but given to u as blessings of life from God , do u think they would worth more than Prophet Muhammed's(pbuh) parents and ancestors ? or worth more than Prophet's(pbuh) uncle whom he loved?

Q.4) after reading the second story, Do u still believe that your good deeds are enough for raising your head in front of God and u would not ask for his mercy ?

Q.5) do u still want to go to hell ? or like to restudy your case ?



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Exception :
(1) There are some peoples who have not been reached by the message of the Prophet of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace) that we must worship the One God alone, associating nothing else with him. Such people are innocent, and will not be punished no matter what they do. Allah says in surat al-Isra',

"We do not punish until We send a messenger"
(Quran 17:15)

 

[nabeel117]

You have not answered my question. Please kindly provide me with the answer.

You have responded to my question via a question of yours. Hence prolonging the argument. I think that my question is a simple one and its only fair to expect an answer from you.

As far as your question is concerned, please show me a list of your "Gunah Kabirah/Major sins" which will not be forgiven by Allah. All the other sins are forgivable by God if we behave properly. There are different lists spread out. When you quote a list, please provide me with the name of the author/scholar and his date of birth. That is after how many years he/she was born after the passing away of Huzoor (SAW).

I have a list of my from an interpretation of Quran and would like to post it on the forum. I'll ask Taul how he posted his pages on the forum.

Thanks.

:)
I have already answered urs, however for ur convin.... I will pick options in order 1,2 n 3 given by u (my opinion) :)

As far as Gunah Kabirah....

In Islam, shirk is the greatest sin. It is the only sin that cannot be forgiven by Allah (s.w.t.) on the Day of Judgment. As said in the Qur'an:

Verily, Allah forgives not that rivals should be set up in the worship with Him. He forgives save that (anything else) to whom He pleases and whoever set up rivals with Allah he has indeed done a tremendous sin. (Al Nisa:48)

But my point was ......

*[3. Surah Aal-e-Imran : Ayah 19] *

Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them,
out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning.

*[3. Surah Aal-e-Imran : Ayah 20]*

But if they dispute with you, say: I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and (so) every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people: Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back,
then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants.

*[3. Surah Aal-e-Imran : Ayah 85]*

And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.


Surah (Aal-E-Imran) Ayah Number 67

Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allah's (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.