HIndu girls learn to become priests in India

jimpack

Minister (2k+ posts)
gazoomartian said:
Nepali Pandit said:
HINDUISM AND SO MANY GODS

I usually dont reply to Indians but I am tempted at this time.

So when you say 'Oh my God', which of the GOD's do you think of?? [pk flag]

Also, Hinduism doesn't attract me at all


????? ?????????????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ???? ??????

He said: "will ye exchange the better for the worse?

Gooozzzoooo you are fit to be in Zooo

Every post you reply by saying I usually dont reply to Indians but you always reply.

Second thing you have mentioned Hinduism does not attract you who the hell do you think you are and we are thankful we dont have a moron like you who cant even understand his own religion properly first.
 

jimpack

Minister (2k+ posts)
gazoomartian said:
Nepali Pandit said:
HINDUISM AND SO MANY GODS

I usually dont reply to Indians but I am tempted at this time.

So when you say 'Oh my God', which of the GOD's do you think of?? [pk flag]

Also, Hinduism doesn't attract me at all


????? ?????????????????? ???????? ???? ??????? ?????????? ???? ??????

He said: "will ye exchange the better for the worse?

Gooozzzoooo you are fit to be in Zooo

Every post you reply by saying I usually dont reply to Indians but you always reply.

Second thing you have mentioned Hinduism does not attract you who the hell do you think you are and we are thankful we dont have a moron like you who cant even understand his own religion properly first.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Raaz said:
Good girls at least doing some nobel job in this time.

The time has changed, India and Indian woman a lot.

If u watch the movie, Mother India, u will know what is indian woman respect.

She was well covered and well managed , helping lady.

Unfortunately , we have Indian lady here in this forum,
She loves Hinduism but I have not seen her picture in clothes yet.
With due respect..... The culture is ruined .

very true, shame on them :D
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
Good post!
but few questions too .
1. Can u name that Hindu scripture and the verse no. of it ,the lesson of which girls are following.
Girls are doing yoga in the beginning followed by martial arts which is our spiritual heritage. I don't think it has to do anything to do with the scripture. At the end they are reciting VEDAS. I think to become priest you have to learn Vedas and scriptures according to their curriculum.
2.which particular religious book on hinduism u people follow as there are many and they condradict with each other.
4 VEDAS are the original books. If you want to read only 1 books out of 1000's it should be Bhagbat Gita as it is said that in kaliyuga (modern times) people won't be able to grasp(understand) true meaning of VEDAS.
There are many holy scriptures in Hinduism; the Vedas, the Upanishads, etc. However, Srimad bhagwatam and Bhagwad Gita are easily understood by laymen and also, they contain the essence of the Vedas.
Contradiction arises by not knowing or by not understanding scriptures.
3. how do u people know which scripture is the accurate one or u people just pick n choose verses from all scriptures that your experience shows r right ?[/quote]

The first thing is - that Hinduism does not fix any dogmas or rules on its followers. We should do this or that... was never in the philosophy of Hinduism.Hinduism gives us an idea, a philosophy and waits silently... to allow us to take the philosophy as per our own mental evolution. That is precisely the main reason for so many paths and gods in Hinduism.This beauty of Sanatan Dharma is UNIQUE...as no other path /religions gives such freedom and liberty.
So there are scriptures telling us about the rain god, about the wealth goddess or about krishna, shiva, about the formless god, about astronomy, astrology, medicines and everything.... and each one of us chose as per our need and mental standards.
So if we are ready we will be attracted towards the higher philosophies... if not we will chose simple theories (which will later make us worth of higher)
.


Dear Foqia,
I have read some of your post regarding Islam in this past. By which I gather that you are deeply religious and knowledgeable person in Islam. I guess when you are asking me these questions, you are not asking me to understand about my religion as there are number of different portals in internet that gives you all the information regarding Hinduism which you may need. I think you are interested in my understanding of my religion. Hence all my answers are my own, my writing shouldn't be taken as absolute. If there are any Hindus who have good knowledge of religion I urge them to contribute.
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
gazoomartian said:
Raaz said:
Good girls at least doing some nobel job in this time.

The time has changed, India and Indian woman a lot.

If u watch the movie, Mother India, u will know what is indian woman respect.

She was well covered and well managed , helping lady.

Unfortunately , we have Indian lady here in this forum,
She loves Hinduism but I have not seen her picture in clothes yet.
With due respect..... The culture is ruined .

very true, shame on them :D

Hello boys,
How much covering is decent. Non of the photos I updated were indecent in my opinion. For some people showing of their hair to too indecent for some its face, for some its legs. For me these are stone age thinking. Hindu women never used to cover themselves but were always decently dressed. I comply with dress code. I dress one way when going to office and another way when going for swimming. If someone will say anything to me regarding by dress up gets will certainly get kicked between the legs.

She was well covered and well managed , helping lady.
Women are not pets who need to be managed. They are not helpers or slaves.

With due respect..... The culture is ruined
With due respect, Cultures that manages women doesn't consider them equal, puts unreasonable restrictions deserves to be ruined.
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
Pakistani1947 said:
What a joke "man and women are equal now" in Hinduism but all humans are not equal!!!

- Islam is the only religion who gave rights to women more than 1400 years ago. Hindus use to bury alive their daughters before Islam.
You are mistaking Arab culture for Hindus culture.
- Islam declared that no white is superior to a black more than 1400 hundred years ago.

- Islam declared that no human race is superior to any other race more than 1400 hundred years ago.
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
karachiwala said:
Now if the first video were of a Muslim Madrassah it would be called ********* TRAINING.

The second video is very diplomatic. I have been friends with a lot of Hindus so I have a little understanding of what the beliefs are (please do not jump the gun here - I have studied 2 years in Indian School in the Gulf). So when someone says we worship LOVE ?!?!?! give me a break man. We are living in the internet age for heavens sake. :lol:
What has love got to do with living in the internet age? Formless god cannot be described in words so the words nearest to describing it /him/her are love and truth.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Nepali Pandit said:
gazoomartian said:
Raaz said:
Good girls at least doing some nobel job in this time.

The time has changed, India and Indian woman a lot.

If u watch the movie, Mother India, u will know what is indian woman respect.

She was well covered and well managed , helping lady.

Unfortunately , we have Indian lady here in this forum,
She loves Hinduism but I have not seen her picture in clothes yet.
With due respect..... The culture is ruined .

very true, shame on them :D

Hello boys,
How much covering is decent. Non of the photos I updated were indecent in my opinion. For some people showing of their hair to too indecent for some its face, for some its legs. For me these are stone age thinking. Hindu women never used to cover themselves but were always decently dressed. I comply with dress code. I dress one way when going to office and another way when going for swimming. If someone will say anything to me regarding by dress up gets will certainly get kicked between the legs.

She was well covered and well managed , helping lady.
Women are not pets who need to be managed. They are not helpers or slaves.

[quote:2dsjrxv0]With due respect..... The culture is ruined
With due respect, Cultures that manages women doesn't consider them equal, puts unreasonable restrictions deserves to be ruined.[/quote:2dsjrxv0]
[funnny] [funnny] [funnny] [funnny]
 

foqia khan

MPA (400+ posts)
@ nepali pandit,
1. The video on girls training was good to see that the things r changing regarding the girls status in society.

2. but u took me wrong I didn't mean to question your level of knowledge and understanding on your religion. in fact I think u have enough knowledge that u not only starting a thread on Hinduism but also feel confident on criticising Islam. anyhow later I 'll definitely like to ask u many question on Hinduism, deliberately ignoring what u wrote about Madrassa and your other views on Islam as this thread should only be on Hinduism.

3. The questions in my previous reply were to realise u that your post on Hinduism is incomplete and worth nothing, u must have quoted the verses of your scriptures that say "man n woman r equal",

4. plus all the videos on hinduism also don't make sense while seeing the hindu traditions in past n present society ,unless u quote some verses of your scriptures that can refute the unhuman traditions of the society and can support the points that Sawami ji is explaining,otherwise all mere game of words that can't convince anyone on almost all topics except that God is love and truth, which is a universal truth for all the followers of the religions.


5. Now when u have started a thread on hinduism then plz reply to the member's criticism with reasons n logic in the light of hinduism ,don't reply them by attacking on Islam .

6. Questions:
(a).worship means respect then why there is caste system in your society.

(b). why marriages between upper and lower caste r not allowed.

(c). how will you justified "sati ".

(d). if Hinduism respect the status of women then why and for what reason there is FEMALE INFANTICIDE.

(e). "The law of Manu"
Purification;women:148. In childhood a female must be subject to her father in youth to her husband when her lord is dead to her sons a woman must never be independent. what does this mean ?



(f). I still have many more questions but like u to answer the above all first and as soon as I'll get time ,I 'll quote verses of your scriptures that either refute the explainatons of sawami ji or u have to justified them if u think that contradiction means misunderstanding.


note: quote verses of your scriptures with each video that can support Sawami's points and can make the explainations authentic, or else don't waste time of all members on your useless efforts.
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
foqia khan said:
@ nepali pandit,
1. The video on girls training was good to see that the things r changing regarding the girls status in society.
It only been 60 odd years since our society was free. Earlier we were under colonalism or under muslim rule. I am happy to see the improvement in women rights and our culture in this short period.
2. but u took me wrong I didn't mean to question your level of knowledge and understanding on your religion. in fact I think u have enough knowledge that u not only starting a thread on Hinduism but also feel confident on criticising Islam. anyhow later I 'll definitely like to ask u many question on Hinduism, deliberately ignoring what u wrote about Madrassa and your other views on Islam as this thread should only be on Hinduism.
Sure my comments on madrassh was out of place and totally uncalled for. I just wanted to put some point as joke but it didn't come out right. I don't know when i criticized Islam but yeah i do criticize some traditions in Muslim societies. what i view to be wrong I usually say out loud. I have seen level 2 girls waring burka in school. I think that is disgusting but for you it might be normal. I like to see internet as democracy if i don't like any aspect of any culture including mine i will say out loud. I don't comment about Islam as my knowledge about Islam is nil and my knowledge about my religion is quite limited too. So i comment about Muslim societies not Islam.

3. The questions in my previous reply were to realise u that your post on Hinduism is incomplete and worth nothing, u must have quoted the verses of your scriptures that say "man n woman r equal",
In the beginning i wanted to post just one video regarding inclusion of women as priest, which i thought was right and positive development. after some comment i decided to give short info about my religion because we are asked these questions frequently i this forum. This guy gave short and precise answer which i liked so i uploaded these videos. Hinduism is very old and complex religion, so obviously by uploading 5 min video you can't explain Hinduism. It would be hard to quantify the worth of my posts. Lets say knowledge is free. If i start putting verses from scriptures for everything i post then it will be very time consuming. Few minutes that i spend posting things in siasat.pk is not long enough to be too precise. However in future I will try to do so. If i search i can verify all the things he said and link them to our scripture. In other words what ever this guy is saying, he is saying according to his scripture and can be verified.

4. plus all the videos on hinduism also don't make sense while seeing the hindu traditions in past n present society ,unless u quote some verses of your scriptures that can refute the unhuman traditions of the society and can support the points that Sawami ji is explaining,otherwise all mere game of words that can't convince anyone on almost all topics except that God is love and truth, which is a universal truth for all the followers of the religions.

Hindus don't want to convince anyone. We don't believe in conversion. Hinduism is knowledge, some have lots of it some have none some have little. I agree that there are lots of inhuman traditions in our society but i thought religion and traditions are separate things. There are lots of things added on our religion later on which creates confusion. Therefore it is best to stick to bhagbat gita as it explains veda in layman terms. Are Muslim societies perfect?
5. Now when u have started a thread on hinduism then plz reply to the member's criticism with reasons n logic in the light of hinduism ,don't reply them by attacking on Islam .

6. Questions:
(a).worship means respect then why there is caste system in your society.

There are different school of thoughts regarding caste system. Veda gives respect to all caste. Brahmin's are misusing and misquoting this for centuries for their benifit. In Vedic culture, everyone is considered to be born as Shudra. Then based on his or her education, one becomes a Brahmin, Kshatriya or Vaishya. This completion of education is considered to be a second birth. Hence these three Varnas are called Dwija or twice-born. But those who remain uneducated for whatever reasons are not discarded from society. They continue as Shudra and perform support-activities for the society.
If you want to know more about what page of veda says what follow this link:
http://agniveer.com/caste-vedas/


7.

(b). why marriages between upper and lower caste r not allowed.

This is the problem of society. Veda has no problem with it. Many of the scriptures were written by non Brahmin's. So if they can write scriptures why can't they marry.

(c). how will you justified "sati ".

Sati means =virtuous woman--does NOT mean "widow-burning"--There is NO Sanskrit word for Widow burning at all. In the medival periods(after 1000A.D.) in some parts of India (like Rajputaana) bordering other nations,Religious marauders were frequently raiding,looting and plundering and arresting women (who have lost their husbands in the war) and taking them away as slaves.Then the ladies started the practice of entering the Funeral Pyres secretly in the night time and then in day light.This practice was stopped by sri.Raja Ram Mmohan Rai's bill.In South India below Maharashtra this practice was NEVER there in the last 10,000 years or before.If it was a Religious dictun they should have also followed.this horrondous practice.

(d). if Hinduism respect the status of women then why and for what reason there is FEMALE INFANTICIDE.
Wow this is a stupid question, what has this modern day practice got any thing to do with my religion. This is same as honor killing.
(e). "The law of Manu"
Purification;women:148. In childhood a female must be subject to her father in youth to her husband when her lord is dead to her sons a woman must never be independent. what does this mean ?



less than half (around 1/3rd)of the 2,685 verses of manusmriti can authenticated by vedas. Go and read this texts which explains women right in manusmirti:
http://www.salagram.net/Women-and-the-Laws-of-Manu.html


(f). I still have many more questions but like u to answer the above all first and as soon as I'll get time ,I 'll quote verses of your scriptures that either refute the explainatons of sawami ji or u have to justified them if u think that contradiction means misunderstanding.
I nearly spent half an hour to reply to your questions. It was so boring, Please don't ask anymore questions regarding religion. There are some good Hindu websites and organization who would be more than happy to answer all your questions providing all the link and quotes from vedas and bhagbat gita. I come to this site for entertainment but if i start answering all your questions i will spend whole day reading hundreds of Hindu scriptures and then typing for hours. After i finished that next week some on else will ask me similar questions and the same cycle. Even if I convince you that Hinduism is a right what is the point? I still haven't paid off my mortgage of my house I am living in and just bought another house as investment. If i spend time explaining religion then who will pay my mortgage? Lets not make it debating competition between Islam and Hinduism. If Hinduism was week it would have died long time ago like many other faiths. There is reason why it still thrives even after 700 years of Islamic rule and 300 years of Christian rule. Hinduism doesn't need to be defended by force as it is truth. I found one interesting answere regarding survival of hinduism which i am posting below.
note: quote verses of your scriptures with each video that can support Sawami's points and can make the explainations authentic, or else don't waste time of all members on your useless efforts.
 

Nepali Pandit

MPA (400+ posts)
How in the world did Hinduism survive 800 yrs of Muslim rule, then 250 yrs of Christian rule? what's next?

[quote:3sbv7njr]despite caste, regional, and language differences, how did Hindus maintain their faith under tremendous external pressure. this hammering at the door continued for about a 1000 yrs non-stop. most other cultures/religions elsewhere died in shorter timespans, or would've died under similar conditions. so what kept the flame burning? more importantly, will Vedic philosophy survive the 21st century?



Often it has been wondered in discussion groups, media about the reason for the existence of Hinduism, and the reason it has survived the incessant attacks. The other major religions of the world, Judaism, Zorastriarism (religion of Parsees) and infinite others which existed in the past are either extinct now or have to lead a meagre survival. For more than 1000 years, India, the home of Hinduism was ruled by non-Hindus for the major part, yet the flame of Hinduism didnt burn out! Hinduism still has its flag high up, making the name 'Sanatana Dharma' given to it very apt.

But what is the reason behind this greatness of Hinduism. Mind you, it is not just a religion in the sense that people follow certain religious practices, go to temples etc. So far, in some form or another, the Hindu way of life has survived not just in India but beyond. True that it has got mixed with the other cultures it came in contact with, has trasnformed with the necessities of time, but still it continues to add its own favor in the places where a Hindu goes.

So what makes Hinduism unique? Is it the Vedas, Upanishads and Gita? But hardly a percent of Hindus read any one of them in their entirety! Also, the possibility of a book of such stature as a Veda or an Upanishad being lost in say a Babylonian culture cannot be denied. Is it the philisophy? For ages, people have kept thinking about ways of explaining nature; and have created philosophies in that attempt! Is it the Indian science, culture, arts and architecture which preserved Hinduism? But there are the pyramids, the whole of Mayan artefacts and the Roman collosium. There was Greek geometry, Roman science and amazing artforms all over the world. The fact that Indians were good at each of these things hardly explain the survival of Hinduism.

I had been thinking about this for a while now, and the answer came in an indirect manner in one of Swami Vivekananda's lectures! It is amazing how whenever I feel down or disturbed, opening a page in the sayings of the great man makes all my agonies unreal and trivial! The words have such energy that inspiration flows into a person by simply reading them!

The lecture I read was the one titled 'My Master', which is his discourse on life and teachings of Ramakrishna Paramhamsa. Of the hundreds of lectures SV gave since his historical speech at Chicago, this probably is the only one where he speaks of his Guru's personal life! The reason behind this is that he wanted to spread his guru's teachings, not his guru's fame!

In the course of his description of his Guru, he starts with first explaining what India stands for, what India means! He says that the basic soul of Hinduism and of India, the one common thread that binds the hundreds of sects in Hinduism together is this, 'There is a certain higher principle which is unmanifest, which exists in a dimension higher than the ones that are manifest; and the sole aim of human life is to realize that principle'. He says it is around this principle that the whole of Indian life revolves, the understanding of this higher principle! Indians can call it with multiple names such as moksha, mukti, nirvana, atma-dnyaan, they all mean the same thing, realizing the truth of life!

And therein lies the secret of Hinduism's survival! The sole aim is realization, for which a book, a messenger, a prophet, or even a son of God is not needed. For this, a clergy is not needed! Neither is the knowledge of a particular language required! One does not even have to be a genius to understand the truth! All that is needed is a pure heart and an intense desire to know the truth! Swamiji explains that as a boy, his guru, Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, naturally possessed these qualities, and that they truly signify the defining characteristic of a true Hindu!

So how could Hinduism be destroyed! The invaders came and plundered. They destroyed the temples and the idols! But that was simply the 'body' of Hinduism, the external visible part! They destroyed the books, mistranslated and misprojected them! They even tried to burn the great libraries, which were 'mind' of Hinduism. The books simply stated the truths, they were not the truths! The last attempt, the one done by Western education was to play with the 'intellect', where the young minds were systematically taught to hate their religion and culture. But alas! They missed the important thing, the 'soul' of Hinduism! The Hindu declares that the body,mind and intellect of a person are mere the projections, the manifestations! The real nature of a man is his soul! So is it with a religion. The soul of Hinduism is in realization and that is as strong as ever!

Can this soul ever be destroyed? No! It is a basic nature of humans to enquire, to ask about what is beyond to try to find out what the beginning and the end of the existence is! Until this nature exists, such a question will always come up, "What is beyond?" and until such a question rises, noone can


http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 905AA6U89l[/quote:3sbv7njr]
 

Back
Top