Hidden Causes Behind Miracles

kzuhair

Citizen
I am pretty sure people who are negatively commenting did not even listen to the explanation as it requires patience and understanding.

Hamari Jazbaati Qom ka Ulmiya “reach conclusions from gut feeling and no counter answer except use of abusive language”
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I am pretty sure people who are negatively commenting did not even listen to the explanation as it requires patience and understanding.

Hamari Jazbaati Qom ka Ulmiya “reach conclusions from gut feeling and no counter answer except use of abusive language”


azeezam kzuhair sb, deen of islam is based upon the quran alone because only the quran is revelation of God for this era and nothing else. All other sources of information come from people.

This is why none can understand deen of islam properly unless one can understand the quran properly.

None can understand the quran properly unless one knows the proper way of understanding the quran properly.

So what is the proper way of understanding the quran properly?

Speaking from my own life experience I do not think mufti sb knows it. If he does please share and we can take it from there.

As for his concept of miracles they do not and cannot take place in light of the quranic message. Not because God has no power to do so but because they serve no purpose in scheme of God in light of deen of islam but if they do please share that purpose so we could examine it. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran and deen of islam see HERE and HERE


regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

Al Qur'an: The Living Miracle

Dear the choice, the quran is miracle only for those who can understand it properly and not for those who cannot understand it properly.

I find it strange that almost all mullas and their students fail to understand the quran properly therefore they lack proper understanding of deen of islam.

This is the main reason why people who claim to be muslims are fighting each other and have divided into various parties due to differences between them due to their ignorance or lack of learning knowledge due to which they do not have sense of making proper sense of things.

Mullas are only good in memorising quranic and hadis texts. They have no sense how to get information from those texts or how to put that information together in a logically consistent way. This is why they end up creating confusion in the ummah by introducing in ummah unbelievable concepts and unacceptable practices which hinder or prevent ummah from living a normal life in this world. This is why islam of mullas is not islam of the quran.

If you are connected with these mullas in any way then try to get them to discuss the points which i raise from time to time to wake them up.

People should not follow anyone rather they should support anyone who talks sense regarding any issue or subject or matter. This way those people who talk sense will get encouraged and those who talk nonsense will get discouraged.

regards and all the best.
 

AWAITED

Senator (1k+ posts)
azeezam kzuhair sb, deen of islam is based upon the quran alone because only the quran is revelation of God for this era and nothing else. All other sources of information come from people.

This is why none can understand deen of islam properly unless one can understand the quran properly.

None can understand the quran properly unless one knows the proper way of understanding the quran properly.

So what is the proper way of understanding the quran properly?

Speaking from my own life experience I do not think mufti sb knows it. If he does please share and we can take it from there.

As for his concept of miracles they do not and cannot take place in light of the quranic message. Not because God has no power to do so but because they serve no purpose in scheme of God in light of deen of islam but if they do please share that purpose so we could examine it. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran and deen of islam see HERE and HERE


regards and all the best.
What Quran teaches us that Because of Allah willing, Hazrat khizar knew the future and acted accordingly. It teaches how Allah's special people know much more than anyone else
 

kzuhair

Citizen
azeezam kzuhair sb, deen of islam is based upon the quran alone because only the quran is revelation of God for this era and nothing else. All other sources of information come from people.

This is why none can understand deen of islam properly unless one can understand the quran properly.

None can understand the quran properly unless one knows the proper way of understanding the quran properly.

So what is the proper way of understanding the quran properly?

Speaking from my own life experience I do not think mufti sb knows it. If he does please share and we can take it from there.

As for his concept of miracles they do not and cannot take place in light of the quranic message. Not because God has no power to do so but because they serve no purpose in scheme of God in light of deen of islam but if they do please share that purpose so we could examine it. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran and deen of islam see HERE and HERE


regards and all the best.

Sir, I respect your opinion but completely disagree with the conclusion that you have made. My last post, you responded with videos of Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz who rejected Hadith. He had a few followers and you are one of them.

Rather than getting into a debate, I pray to Allah that He gives you strength and wisdom to study the Deen so you believe in the correct message that was brought by Muhammad SAW.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
What Quran teaches us that Because of Allah willing, Hazrat khizar knew the future and acted accordingly. It teaches how Allah's special people know much more than anyone else

azeezam mustfarahan sb, this is the problem that people are quick to quote the quran but have no idea how to understand the text of the quran properly in its own proper context.

If people knew how to understand the quranic text properly in its own proper context then they will have interpreted the quranic text in its proper context in light of real world realities in which there is no room for miracles as imagined by mullas and their followers.

This is why their interpretations of the quran instead of proving it word of God disprove it. This is why nonmuslims criticise the quran and deen of islam worldwide and none of these people can stand their criticism. So why talk nonsense in the first place about the quran or deen of islam?

We need to realise the fact that this world works according to God set up systems and laws. Most people have no idea what is law in context of natural world. This is why they think things can be made to happen in this world supernaturally by God.

There were only two things as acts of God a)the creation and b)the revelation. Other than that nothing happens in this world supernaturally instead everything takes place according to cause and effect law.

A law is called a law because it is consistent and it is consistent because our observations show that something always happened the same way. Had things happened randomly or haphazardly then we will not be able to make sense of anything at all instead we will become puzzled and confused and fall victim to chaos about everything.

Imagine fire acting strange some times hot and some times cold, if that happened could we use it for anything at all? No. Why not? Could we make weapons using fire and trust them they will do what we want then to do? No. We will use something for one thing but something else will happen instead randomly. This will render us incapable of predicting behaviours of things. Could we then live in this world at all or do anything at all with reasonable certainty? No.

This is why it is wrong to attribute to the quran and deen of islam wrong concepts or beliefs and practices or we end up stuck for answers to objections raised against our such ideas. This is why the quran must be reinterpreted completely by sensible people who know the real world realities as well as the quran and deen of islam properly so that its message becomes clear for humanity. All mulla based mistranslations and misinterpretations of the quran must be replaced worldwide if we are truly interested in the actual message of the quran and deen of islam.

regards and all the best.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Sir, I respect your opinion but completely disagree with the conclusion that you have made. My last post, you responded with videos of Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz who rejected Hadith. He had a few followers and you are one of them.

Rather than getting into a debate, I pray to Allah that He gives you strength and wisdom to study the Deen so you believe in the correct message that was brought by Muhammad SAW.

azeezam kzuhair sb, you have every right to disagree with me I too respect your right to disagree with me. Please be rest assured I have nothing personal against you. All I am doing is drawing yours and others attention to what is not right in my view for attribution to the quran and deen of islam.

Ghulam ahmed parwez did not reject hadis but he accepted only those ahadees which he thought were according to the quran according his understanding of the quran and deen of islam. This is what all mullas do as well including the mufti sb. Ahadees books are works of people not God and ahadees books contain many false reports. Not only that but also many ahadees reports appear to be false because they have been mistranslated or misinterpreted by mullas which show the quran, deen of islam and the messengers of God in bad light.

As for your point that parwez marhoom had a few followers, yes he did and the reason is not because he was necessarily wrong but because he was an educated man whom only educated people supported and they still do. But that does not mean he did not make mistakes, for he did. What he did good was, he tried to remove some very wrong concepts about God , his messengers, the quran and deen of islam due to which nonmuslims of his time raised plenty of objections against God, the quran, deen of islam and the final messenger of God. What you and your mullaans are doing is discrediting the man altogether instead of pointing out his mistakes and correcting them.

Most people in the world are illiterate even today never mind 1500 years back in time. Yet more people lack proper education and training so they cannot think for themselves. Not only that there are more people who are nonmuslim than those who claim to be muslims. So no wonder educated people in the world are far and in between so if less people follow an idea it is only because the rest have not bothered to reach their stage or level of thinking. The day they do they too will say and do the same as a few educated people say and do. Truth about an idea is not deciding on basis of majority and minority but on basis of solid rules of judgement.

I do not follow anyone, not even the final messenger of God let alone parwez sb instead I support the mission with which final messenger of Allah was sent because that is what the quran requires of us human beings. The idea of people following people is result of misinterpretations of the quranic text. Words ITAAT and ITBAA do not mean obeying and following in the context of the quran. They mean mental consistency and physical support.

When the quran tells us for ITAAT of Allah, His messenger and of a person from among ourselves whom we select as a porper human community to manage affairs of ummah it means we all need to be on the same page mentally and must work towards the very same end physically so that the mission Allah assigned to us human beings is fulfilled.

All people who accept mission of Allah and support it to carry it through are party of Allah or supporters of mission of Allah not slaves and masters of each other. All opponents of Allah's assigned mission are called party of shaitan.

The questions are why mullas mistranslated and misinterpreted the quran? When did they do it? How did they do it? Why deen of islam became mazhab of islam? When did this happen? How did it happen? What part did rulers, money lenders, mullas, their touts and supporters played? Why ummah is in current situation? Who is responsible for this state of ummah? How can this state of ummah be changed for the best possible? And this chain of questions carries on and on.

Deen if isalm is all about human brotherhood under rule of law of God as revealed to his final messenger in form of the quran. Anyone who accepts any other ruler than Allah becomes a mushrik according to the quran.

Deen of islam is all about bringing about a proper human community in the kingdom of God called the universe. Where did the concept of money based business dealing come from in deen of islam which is based upon foundation of profit and loss when deen of islam strictly forbids people from inflicting loss upon each other?

Deen of islam is supposed to be understood by all people from the quran and there is no concept of mullaiyat in the quran so where does that come from into this ummah? Who created mullaism and for what reason or how?

As for you praying for hidayat of people that is nothing more than a good wish, however, it is time to start working on things I have pointed out because that is what all the messengers of God did ie they wroked hard for making their God given missions a success. Mere praying to God does not produce results unless the related work is also carried out for which one is praying. When we will think in a critical way we will come to realise what actual deen of islam or what real message of the quran is and I am hopeful all people like your good self will do that.

May God bless all of us with proper understanding of his message and help us succeed is fulfilling his assigned mission.

regards and all the best.
 
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AWAITED

Senator (1k+ posts)
azeezam mustfarahan sb, this is the problem that people are quick to quote the quran but have no idea how to understand the text of the quran properly in its own proper context.

If people knew how to understand the quranic text properly in its own proper context then they will have interpreted the quranic text in its proper context in light of real world realities in which there is no room for miracles as imagined by mullas and their followers.

This is why their interpretations of the quran instead of proving it word of God disprove it. This is why nonmuslims criticise the quran and deen of islam worldwide and none of these people can stand their criticism. So why talk nonsense in the first place about the quran or deen of islam?

We need to realise the fact that this world works according to God set up systems and laws. Most people have no idea what is law in context of natural world. This is why they think things can be made to happen in this world supernaturally by God.

There were only two things as acts of God a)the creation and b)the revelation. Other than that nothing happens in this world supernaturally instead everything takes place according to cause and effect law.

A law is called a law because it is consistent and it is consistent because our observations show that something always happened the same way. Had things happened randomly or haphazardly then we will not be able to make sense of anything at all instead we will become puzzled and confused and fall victim to chaos about everything.

Imagine fire acting strange some times hot and some times cold, if that happened could we use it for anything at all? No. Why not? Could we make weapons using fire and trust them they will do what we want then to do? No. We will use something for one thing but something else will happen instead randomly. This will render us incapable of predicting behaviours of things. Could we then live in this world at all or do anything at all with reasonable certainty? No.

This is why it is wrong to attribute to the quran and deen of islam wrong concepts or beliefs and practices or we end up stuck for answers to objections raised against our such ideas. This is why the quran must be reinterpreted completely by sensible people who know the real world realities as well as the quran and deen of islam properly so that its message becomes clear for humanity. All mulla based mistranslations and misinterpretations of the quran must be replaced worldwide if we are truly interested in the actual message of the quran and deen of islam.

regards and all the best.
I worries me that people want to change islam according to their will. What will you call Hazrat Suleman A. S? What will you call the miracle of Hazrat Eisa A. S and dreams of surat Yusuf?
Same sahaba who safe guarded Quran, kept ahadeeth too. Hadderh is first hand experience of sahaba that what's been said and done by Hazoor e pak.
You don't follow Quran if you don't follow Rasool e pak. This is what قرآن teaches. Do you think you know Quran and understand it better than prophet himself? Why you trust same Rasool e pak when you were told that this hadeeth and this is quran.
Pervaz was biggest hypocrite. He could fix his toothache with his mental exercise but he let it happen because he thought it was wrong way to fix it. He talks about science but don't encourage research in the realm of spirituality or in his words mentalism or will power.
Surar Alkafiroon has decided, you do your thing and I do mine. Let judgement day unveil who is true. But remember if you are watching the world by putting green shades then whole world will look green.
 

Mughal1

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I worries me that people want to change islam according to their will. What will you call Hazrat Suleman A. S? What will you call the miracle of Hazrat Eisa A. S and dreams of surat Yusuf?
Same sahaba who safe guarded Quran, kept ahadeeth too. Hadderh is first hand experience of sahaba that what's been said and done by Hazoor e pak.
You don't follow Quran if you don't follow Rasool e pak. This is what قرآن teaches. Do you think you know Quran and understand it better than prophet himself? Why you trust same Rasool e pak when you were told that this hadeeth and this is quran.
Pervaz was biggest hypocrite. He could fix his toothache with his mental exercise but he let it happen because he thought it was wrong way to fix it. He talks about science but don't encourage research in the realm of spirituality or in his words mentalism or will power.
Surar Alkafiroon has decided, you do your thing and I do mine. Let judgement day unveil who is true. But remember if you are watching the world by putting green shades then whole world will look green.

azeezam mustfarhan sb, no one can change deen of islam because it is in the quran and the quran remains the same as it was revealed and that is a verifiable fact. Not only that but all the needed information relating the quran also exists, which is also verifiable fact. However the information which helps understand the quran became muddled up as time passed due to negligence of muslim masses who did not pay sufficient attention to things after the death of the final messenger of Allah. This is why kingdom based upon guidance of Allah that was brought about and maintained by messenger of Allah with help and support of his companions till his passing away fell apart not very long after him.

When a people stop paying their full attention to something of vital importance for them, they lose its benefits. Since then ummah has been going downhill from bad to worse due to ending up living by way of life other than proper deen of islam.

For many centuries people who claim to be muslims have been neglecting actual deen of islam which is truly based upon the quran. Odd people have risen among muslims telling them what deen of islam actually is but most of the people hardly bothered to listen to them instead people lived on as they saw fit. That is exactly what people are doing even today. Hardly anyone learns or teaches the quran for its proper understanding. People just live to eat and eat to live. That is all their life has become for various reasons.

Ask anyone if one knows the right way of understanding the quranic text properly? Almost none of the people who claim to be muslims have the answer. In fact you can ask this question of anyone whom you consider a highly learned person about deen of islam and then you can share that information with me and rest of people here.

In fact you yourself are saying people misinterpret the quran or deen of islam as they like. Ask yourself why do they do that? My answer is because they do not know the proper way to interpret the quran properly. If they knew the right way of doing that and yet misinterpreted the quran then that will be a deliberate act of kufar and such people will be considered enemies of God and humanity.

Why will they be considered enemies of God and humanity? It is because the quran shows humanity the proper way for living in this wold properly and if that way is deliberately masked by people by their misinterpretations to hide it from each other then human beings will keep on harming and destroying each other forever, so it will be a biggest crime against God as well as humanity by such people ie an unforgivable crime. Also if anyone knew the quran is word of God through its proper interpretation for sure then how could such a person deliberately misinterpret it? Will you do that yourself? I do not think so, so its wrong to say others misinterpret the quran deliberately. Only unaware, ignorant or people lacking in proper knowledge make mistakes and do silly things. This is why we need to help them correct themselves.

However before we could correct anyone about anything we ourselves need to know what the correct things is or why it is correct or how. This is why it is of vital importance to know the right way for interpreting the quran correctly and then interpret the quran correctly and then try to correct others through that.

I do not think anyone ever misinterpreted the quran deliberately rather it was done by people out of love for God and humanity but they did not have sufficient sense of making proper sense of things. The main blame rests on masses themselves who rather believe and do anything but not learn the essential knowledge for proper interpretation and understanding of the quran. This is why almost all people in the world are confused about the quran be they muslims or nonmuslims.

What has happened is that some people misinterpreted the quran due to lack of proper knowledge and rest did not bother to do any better so it was kept that way till today. Even if odd person came up with something he was discouraged and even opposed or persecuted. All because most people are not bothered with proper understanding of the quranic text. The way things ended up regarding the actual message of the quran that is how it suited all involved and so it will remain till people reach a stage where at they either become aware enough that they see the need for guidance from God or they become totally stuck and end up in a situation where at they are over taken by a bloody revolution. Only God knows for sure when things will change to what they are supposed to be.

As for spiritualism, it is nothing at all other than proper understanding of the quran. So those who do not understand the quran properly cannot be spiritualists at all. Ask anyone whom you consider top most spiritual person to explain to you the proper way for understanding the quran properly. If one tell us then I can accept him as such not otherwise.

The other main point you need to understand is that any wrong interpretation of the quran can be found out. This is why people who misinterpret the quran cannot get away with it. However the question is how? I let you explain that for me and others who may be interested in learning these things.

I hope you try and understand what I am trying to explain.

Meanwhile regards and all the best.
 
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AWAITED

Senator (1k+ posts)
Two rules are used normally. If it is in spirit of Islam and the continuity of message and isn't in conflict with previously said then it's right. Number 2 is that it should be logical. But here comes the question. If your base of knowledge is flawed and your judging from a logic which in itself is flawed then your judgment of version will be flawed. For example scientists cannot tell difference between living things and non living things. Living things consume oxygen is one of characteristics and that's why we look for water on other stars and planets. But what 8f there is life which is not dependent on oxygen and has different structure and needs. But we thinking scientifically will call it illogical til proven otherwise. That's why I follow the prophet as he knows much more than anyone else
 

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