Great news for all Pakistanis : کرم، شیعہ سنی بھائی بھائی کے نعرے

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Logical

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A SLAP in the face of enemies of unity!
A SLAP in the face of foreign agents who want to WEAKEN Pakistan by inciting HATRED!

یہ وہ لوگ ہیں جنہوں نے ایک دوسرے کے گلے کاٹے ہیں فرقہ واریت کے نام پے
میں ایک فرقے کے بات نہیں کرتا، دونوں نے زیادتیاں کی ہوں گی - مگر آخر کار شیطانی سازش ناکام ہوئی
جو لوگے پاکستان میں فرقہ واریت کی آگ بھڑکانا چاہتے ہیں آج وہ بہت مایوس ہوں گے!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2011/02/110209_kurum_agency_fz.shtml

پاکستان کے قبائلی علاقے کرم ایجنسی میں شیعہ اور سنی قبائل کے ایک مشترکہ امن جرگہ کی کوششوں سے علاقے میں تقریباً چار سال سے بند تمام سڑکیں پہلی مرتبہ عام ٹریفک کےلیے کھول دی گئی ہیں۔

اس فیصلے سے پوری ایجنسی میں جشن کا سماں ہے اور مخالف قبائل نے ایک دوسرے کو پھولوں کے ہار پہنا کر مبارک باد دی جبکہ شیعہ سنی بھائی بھائی کے نعرے بھی لگائے گئے۔

امن معاہدے کے بعد منگل کو پہلی مرتبہ تقریباً پچاس سے ساٹھ گاڑیوں پر مشتمل امن قافلہ قبائلی جرگہ اور مقامی حکام کے ہمراہ پشاور سے سڑک کے ذریعے صدر مقام پارہ چنار پہنچ گیا ہے۔

یہ قافلہ ہزاروں افراد پر مشتمل تھا جن میں اکثریت ان افراد کی تھی جو پچھلے تین چار سال سے سڑکوں کی بندش کی وجہ سے پشاور اور دیگر علاقوں میں پھنسے ہوئے تھے۔

اس قافلے میں شامل قبائلی جرگہ کے ایک رکن اور پیپلز پارٹی فاٹا کے صدر ملک وارث خان آفریدی نے بی بی سی کو بتایا کہ شیعہ سنی مشران اور حکومت کی کوششوں سے علاقے میں تقریباً چار سال سے بند ٹل پارہ چنار شاہراہ اور دیگر سڑکیں عام ٹریفک کےلیے کھول دی گئی ہیں۔
 

tajammulali

Councller (250+ posts)
شیعہ سنی تو پہلے بھی بھائی بھائی تھے -مسلہ صرف خوارج کا تھا -جو ان دونوں کے درمیان پیاراور محبت نہیں دیکھ سکتے تھے
 

molson4u

Senator (1k+ posts)
Shukar Alhamid Ul Lila... I hope they stay together and see the salfi and Kwarji's are the reason for their fight.
 

armani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Idiots killed each other for 4 years. When their asses got tired now they went dancing chanting Bahi Bahi. It's not happening for the first time nor will it stop here. They will do it again. It's just a mater of time. Idiots are idiots and they can't be fixed, period.
 

Logical

Voter (50+ posts)
Idiots killed each other for 4 years. When their asses got tired now they went dancing chanting Bahi Bahi. It's not happening for the first time nor will it stop here. They will do it again. It's just a mater of time. Idiots are idiots and they can't be fixed, period.
armani

you got it man, they were being IDIOTS when they were giving in to Shaitani hatred.

as well-wishers of Pakistan, we can only HOPE they will have learned their lessons.

Both Shias and Sunnis are the guardians of Pakistan's borders - idealogical and physical. I'm sure you know that MAJORITY of Pakistan Army's Northern Light Infantry Brigade jawans are Shias (mostly from Gilgit Baltistan). This CRAP that was going on in Kurram agency was only weakening Pakistan's BORDERS by pitting brother against brother, not strengthening them..


 
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Logical

Voter (50+ posts)
w-a-n-t-e-d
I can suggest is that you BHAI-BHAI time (it is Rabi` ul Awwal afterall!) !!!
 
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Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Idiots killed each other for 4 years. When their asses got tired now they went dancing chanting Bahi Bahi. It's not happening for the first time nor will it stop here. They will do it again. It's just a mater of time. Idiots are idiots and they can't be fixed, period.

And your problem is ?
Are we to understand that you are disappointed by this show of unity or have lost faith in the goodness of people?
 

babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
I do not think that in the Last Sermon of our Prophet(PBUH), something is addressed like this:

OH Sunni & Shias, listen I have delivered you the message of my Lord. Can someone correct me,
that it was not like this?
 

armani

Minister (2k+ posts)
And your problem is ?
Are we to understand that you are disappointed by this show of unity or have lost faith in the goodness of people?

My problem is neither one of your suggested assumptions.
Inface it's not a problem but a reailty that I was born and raised in this city. I know every bit of it, every corner, every mind. Since 47 people have been killing each other for being Shia and Sunni in this city. Every time they kill each other they come with Bahi Bahi slogans and a meaningless agreement. After sometime they get bored and give it another go followed by another agreement and some new slogans.

How would a father go back to his house in parachinar where his kids were burnt alive by his neighbours few years ago? How would he share a wall with the same people who raped and cut his daughters into pieces. I can never expect it happening from any breed of human, let alone HARDCORE TRIBAL PASHTOONS.

I wish they prove me wrong. I want to see a show of unity. I wish goodness of people. But this unity and goodness of people is merely a mirage in a barren land of ignorance.
 

Logical

Voter (50+ posts)
I do not think that in the Last Sermon of our Prophet(PBUH), something is addressed like this:

OH Sunni & Shias, listen I have delivered you the message of my Lord. Can someone correct me,
that it was not like this?

babadeena,

I can't understand which side are you on?
Did the Prophet(saw) suggest that we start killing each other and do takfir?
Did the Prophet(saw) suggest that we DO NOT embrace each other in brotherhood?

I get your point that firqas are unislamic. But at the same time, I don't agree that 'takfir' is the 'akseer' to our problems either!
I say 'brotherhood' is the akseer.

Those who suffer at the hands of firqay-baazi will have horror stories to tell. Those like you who sit in the comfort our their bedrooms/basements should try to minimize the hatred, rather than to flame it. Is it that hard to understand???
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
babadeena,
I can't understand which side are you on?
I am on right side!!!
Did the Prophet(saw) suggest that we start killing each other and do takfir?
He did not either ordered us to identify ourselves as "Shias & Sunnis", isnt?
Did the Prophet(saw) suggest that we DO NOT embrace each other in brotherhood?
He conveyed that "Allah(SWT) has granted you identification as being "Muslims", did we
comply it either?
Here is reply in your own words:
I get your point that firqas are unislamic.[/QUOTE]
So then what else is left to discuss?

BTW if u r in the country of Alvares Cabaraal or Luis Camoes, that is really
fantastic country with lot of "saudades"
 

Logical

Voter (50+ posts)
I am on right side!!!
What does it mean, it means practically *nothing* to claim it.
Tell me of a single religious group in the world that claims 'I am on the wrong side'.

So then what else is left to discuss?
Every firqa claims that we are on the right path. Every one says 'it is the OTHER SIDE ' that created firqa parasti.

so what's left to discuss is 'how the avoid exterminating those who you think are on the wrong path'..

BTW if u r in the country of Alvares Cabaraal or Luis Camoes, that is really
fantastic country with lot of "saudades"

Actually I am just a fan of Brazilian soccer.
 
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babadeena

Minister (2k+ posts)
Every firqa claims that we are on the right path. Every one says 'it is the OTHER SIDE ' that created firqa parasti.
so what's left to discuss is 'how the avoid exterminating those who you think are on the wrong path'..
قُلْ هُوَ الْقَادِرُ عَلَىٰ أَنْ يَبْعَثَ عَلَيْكُمْ عَذَابًا مِنْ فَوْقِكُمْ أَوْ مِنْ تَحْتِ أَرْجُلِكُمْ أَوْ يَلْبِسَكُمْ شِيَعًا وَيُذِيقَ بَعْضَكُمْ بَأْسَ بَعْضٍ ۗ انْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُصَرِّفُ الْآيَاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَفْقَهُونَ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{65**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 6:65] Say: He has the power that He should send on you a chastisement from above you or from beneath your feet, or that He should throw you into confusion, (making you) of different parties; and make some of you taste the fighting of others. See how We repeat the communications that they may understand.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 6:65] Say: He is able to send punishment upon you from above you or from beneath your feet, or to bewilder you with dissension and make you taste the tyranny one of another. See how We display the revelations so that they may understand.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 6:65] Say: "He hath power to send calamities on you, from above and below, or to cover you with confusion in party strife, giving you a taste of mutual vengeance - each from the other." See how We explain the signs by various (symbols); that they may understand.[/SIZE]
وَكَذَّبَ بِهِ قَوْمُكَ وَهُوَ الْحَقُّ ۚ قُلْ لَسْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ بِوَكِيلٍ [FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]{66**[/FONT]
[SIZE=-1][Shakir 6:66] And your people call it a lie and it is the very truth. Say: I am not placed in charge of you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Pickthal 6:66] Thy people (O Muhammad) have denied it, though it is the Truth. Say: I am not put in charge of you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][Yusufali 6:66] But thy people reject this, though it is the truth. Say: "Not mine is the responsibility for arranging your affairs;[/SIZE]

Dear you can see, it is clearly written that "behave well", otherwise HE(the LORD) will then act. so what
happened or is happening or going to happen, it is clear. The choice is very clear.

For me the Day "O Junior" with Zico retired from Brazil team, it never recovered though.
 

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
My problem is neither one of your suggested assumptions.
Inface it's not a problem but a reailty that I was born and raised in this city. I know every bit of it, every corner, every mind. Since 47 people have been killing each other for being Shia and Sunni in this city. Every time they kill each other they come with Bahi Bahi slogans and a meaningless agreement. After sometime they get bored and give it another go followed by another agreement and some new slogans.

How would a father go back to his house in parachinar where his kids were burnt alive by his neighbours few years ago? How would he share a wall with the same people who raped and cut his daughters into pieces. I can never expect it happening from any breed of human, let alone HARDCORE TRIBAL PASHTOONS.

I wish they prove me wrong. I want to see a show of unity. I wish goodness of people. But this unity and goodness of people is merely a mirage in a barren land of ignorance.

If it can happen in Mecca, and South Africa in modern times thenit can haooen in Pakistan.
Once again do you have a better suggestion or the above mentioned statement is the best you can do?
 

Logical

Voter (50+ posts)
Dear you can see, it is clearly written that "behave well", otherwise HE(the LORD) will then act. so what
happened or is happening or going to happen, it is clear. The choice is very clear.
babadeena

sorry man, this is a totally bogus conclusion you just drew.

There are many other countries where sectarian strife isn't as severe: I will give you two examples - Turkey and Kuwait. Just last muharram Erdogan visited Ashura juloos, as a show of solidarity. Now tell me, how did the Turks 'BEHAVE WELL', that led to this prosperity and clam in their lands?
Kuwait is another example. Relatively peaceful , with a sizable Shia minority - you don't the majority there trying to eliminate the minority.
Even Indian muslims are pretty cohesive within themselves. There's occasional shia sunni fasad, but compared to Pakistan, it's NOTHING!

So...all these examples, where do you put them: these are people who are NOT suffering Allah's Azab because they did something right? or these are followers of Shaytan who somehow loves to see people live in peace and harmony??
 
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