Front Line - 21st Nov 2010 - Toheen e Risalat (S.A.W) Ka Qaanoon

[molson4u]

Thank you brother Bret hawk, I appricate your kind and warm words. Brother these so called uneducated Allama, Mufti and molvi's has destroyed our religion. If saying anything derogatory against our prophet is blasphyme and punishable with death then what should we do with the people who say derogratory things about Allah? Are they also committing blasphyme? What could be more deragotory about Alah then to say He has begotten a son? Should we charge all christians of Pakistani with Blasphyme law?

 

[habib22]

Dr. Khlid Dollar

 

[Abdul Allah]

When prophet mohammad(PBUH) passed from one street at prayer time,one non-muslim lady use to throw garbage on our prophet but our prophet mohammad (PBUH) ,wipe it off ,ignore the incidence and walk away.One day that lady did't throw the garbage on our prophet so our prophet went to inquire what happened,found out that the lady was sick thats why she did't throw the garbage-the lady got so impressed by this gesture that she became muslim right away.Thats what the teachings of islam to be patient not rather become violent and cruel to take someone's life.Sunni council chaiman fazal karim said if govt released Aasia free,we will protest against the govt and Gov. who the hell fazal karim think he is ,does he own the religion of islam and like to see everyone killed who dont agree with him, because of these idiots our country have come on the edge of civil war .He should be treated like the Algerian govt did with those bloody illiterate religious fanatics, eliminate them completely.These fanatics have held the country hostage and unity of the country is in danger because of these B****.No wonder world is so scared from these fanatics.I dont think govt should show any kind of leniency to these fanatics,use the iron fist to shut them up. I also admire the efforts of Mr.salman Taseer to help release aasia.How many muslim countries have adopted "Blasphemy law" ?

Sahi Abu Dawood
(1) Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. (Book #38, Hadith #4348)

 

[Kafanposh]

MUST READ to see the broader picture on current issue..!!

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[Abdul Allah]

Nice..........

 

[babadeena]

I think this is very touchy topic. Quran clearly states the status of those who dishonour
Prophet(PBUH), but seems their matter of punishment is with their Lord.

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00050/prophetopposition/p.html

Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who
oppose Allah and His messenger: even though they be their fathers or, their sons or
their brethren or their clan. .......

57. Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world
and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.

So things stand already decided for all those who "malign" our Prophet(PBUH).

 

[canadian]

The blasphemy law is hypocritical and prejudicial against minorities and most of the times it is used as personal revenge against the opponents.Muslims are also targeted because of personal revenge, i know couple of cases myself which were purely based on personal revenge thats why i am so against it and the targets were none other than muslims .This law was made by Zia ul haq,who pretend to be the supreme commander of the muslims so he got what he deserved.Under this law ,thousands of innocents were tortured and killed by the illiterate religious fanatics who have no knowldge of islam.Abolish this racist law and free Asia, dont make ourselves fool in the eyes of the world who already have negative thinking about pakistanis .we have to separate the religion from politics otherwise innocents will be keep on suffering.Serve the human beings properly and nicely ,thats what the real religion is .

That's very true.It's grossly misused.In religion only " Niat" matters.Anyways,Allah Bari Taala is The final judge !!!

 

[Username]

I think this is very touchy topic. Quran clearly states the status of those who dishonour
Prophet(PBUH), but seems their matter of punishment is with their Lord.

http://www.quraneasyurdu.net/l00050/prophetopposition/p.html

Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last Day loving those who
oppose Allah and His messenger: even though they be their fathers or, their sons or
their brethren or their clan. .......

57. Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in the world
and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained.

So things stand already decided for all those who "malign" our Prophet(PBUH).

none of these ayats r concerned to Toheen-e-Risalat. N dun quote Ayats outta context. If ya wanna quote ayats outta context wat abt d ayat k Qattal kero. Would ya start blood shed frm d next moment ya read it?

 

[Abdul Allah]

none of these ayats r concerned to Toheen-e-Risalat. N dun quote Ayats outta context. If ya wanna quote ayats outta context wat abt d ayat k Qattal kero. Would ya start blood shed frm d next moment ya read it?

What is the punishment for this as per Quran/Hadith???

 

[closedstreet]

Very thoughtful and analytical program - there is strong need to consider all issues like this that portraying us as a extremist in the rest of the world. There is definitely something wrong as we are not the only one muslim country and muslim nation. There are lot but why we are in lime lights. Its a question that needs answer with open minded approach.

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[Username]

What is the punishment for this as per Quran/Hadith???

Quran n Ahadees do nt say anything special treatment with d person who commits Toheen-e-risalat.

For example in Quran Allah talk abt punishments of Zina, Chori etc bt never categorically mentioned abt toheen-e-risalat. Read whole Quran and ya cant find a single ayat mentioning toheen-e-risalat.

Come up with ONE SINGLE ayat or hadees frm Bukhari or Muslim which says that God or Prophet SAW ORDERED d execution of such person n i wuld admit it.

But m nt ready to admit d INFERENCES of Mullahs frm diff ayats n ahadees dat one must b executed, particularly wen i knw hw much sanctity Islam attaches to a life n on hw many occasions Prophet SAW forgave on his Toheen.

Having said dat i do nt advocate dat there shuld b no law on toheen-e-risalat. Bt we must abolish capital punishment or chng d process to stop d misuse just by understanding dat its against Islam n for d raza of our beloved Prophet SAW.

 

[moazzamniaz]

میری ناقص راے میں
١- پاکستان کے مسلم و غیر مسلم لوگوں میں اس بات کا عمومی شعور پیدا کیا جائے کہ مسلمانوں کے لیے خدا، رسول پاک ، قرآن پاک اور اہل بیت و صحابہ کرام کس قدر مقدس اور حساس ہستیاں ہیں

٢- اگر پھر بھی کوئی بد بخت ایسی کسی گستاخی کا مرتکب ھو تو اس کو کمیونٹی سروس کی سزا کے مترادف تین سے چھ ماہ کی سزا دی جائے. جس میں اسے ان شخصیات کی زندگی، دوسرے مذاہب کا احترام اور مسلمانوں میں ان موضوعات کی حساسیت کے بارے میں کلاسز لینے کا پابند بنایا جائے. اگر کوئی مسلمان بھی ایسی حرکت کرے تو اسے بھی یہی سزا دی جائے . مجھے امید ھے کہ یہ سب کچھ جاننے کے بعد کوئی دوبارہ ایسی حرکت نہیں کرے گا. شکریہ

 

[Abdul Allah]

Quran n Ahadees do nt say anything special treatment with d person who commits Toheen-e-risalat.

For example in Quran Allah talk abt punishments of Zina, Chori etc bt never categorically mentioned abt toheen-e-risalat. Read whole Quran and ya cant find a single ayat mentioning toheen-e-risalat.

Come up with ONE SINGLE ayat or hadees frm Bukhari or Muslim which says that God or Prophet SAW ORDERED d execution of such person n i wuld admit it.

But m nt ready to admit d INFERENCES of Mullahs frm diff ayats n ahadees dat one must b executed, particularly wen i knw hw much sanctity Islam attaches to a life n on hw many occasions Prophet SAW forgave on his Toheen.

Having said dat i do nt advocate dat there shuld b no law on toheen-e-risalat. Bt we must abolish capital punishment or chng d process to stop d misuse just by understanding dat its against Islam n for d raza of our beloved Prophet SAW.

Ok let me start with Hadith
Sahi Muslim
It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like)....... (Book #019, Hadith #4436)

So in that Hadith you may find what you ask for. one may say that It was not the only fault of Kaab it was also something else.
then READ THIS.


Sahi Abud Dawood
(1) Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. (Book #38, Hadith #4348)

So did you read. He did not say that You did a wrong thing . If that is not the punishment

I hope now it is clear for you(and others)

And if someone think that why this "harsh" punishment well think yourself if cant find then i have an answer

 

[babadeena]

none of these ayats r concerned to Toheen-e-Risalat. N dun quote Ayats outta context. If ya wanna quote ayats outta context wat abt d ayat k Qattal kero. Would ya start blood shed frm d next moment ya read it?

you did not read what I wrote in the opening sentences:

think this is very touchy topic. Quran clearly states the status of those who dishonour
Prophet(PBUH), but seems their matter of punishment is with their Lord.

There is nowhere in Quran it is explicitly mentioned that "one who does Toheen-Risalat" should be killed/hanged. The
members have quoted Hadiths, you can check with them. The purpose of my writing the post and giving
the link was that "The punishment rests with Allah only". You took them out of context without any reason.

 

[Username]

Ok let me start with Hadith
Sahi Muslim
It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like)....... (Book #019, Hadith #4436)

So in that Hadith you may find what you ask for. one may say that It was not the only fault of Kaab it was also something else.
then READ THIS.


Sahi Abud Dawood
(1) Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said: Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. (Book #38, Hadith #4348)

So did you read. He did not say that You did a wrong thing . If that is not the punishment

I hope now it is clear for you(and others)

And if someone think that why this "harsh" punishment well think yourself if cant find then i have an answer

First hadees is nt abt Toheen-e-Risalat cause its contextual and as ya urself has mentioned nt limited to toheen-r-risalat only.

Second hadees is not SAHIH. It has very weak Rawis. Read its authenticity in the tafseer.

Do ya think a human being should be killed based on a weak hadees?

 

[atensari]

All who are arguing against punishment of Blasphemy?

What about other un-Islamic Laws and practices which are practiced more frequently? Will you argue to review each and every existing Law to bring it under Islamic rulings?

 

[Abdul Allah]

First hadees is nt abt Toheen-e-Risalat cause its contextual and as ya urself has mentioned nt limited to toheen-r-risalat only.

Second hadees is not SAHIH. It has very weak Rawis. Read its authenticity in the tafseer.

Do ya think a human being should be killed based on a weak hadees?

Definitely not. But you must mention that on what basis you declared it Weak.
any way
Few more for you.

Abud Dawood
Book 38, Number 4349:
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib:
A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

And this
Abu dawood
Book 38, Number 4350:
AbuBarzah said: I was with AbuBakr. He became angry at a man and uttered hot words. I said: Do you permit me, Caliph of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), that I cut off his neck? These words of mine removed his anger; he stood and went in. He then sent for me and said: What did you say just now? I said: (I had said) Permit me that I cut off his neck. He said: Would you do it if I ordered you? I said: Yes. He said: No, I swear by Allah, this is not allowed for any man after Muhammad (peace_be_upon_him).