Four Questions For Our Shia Friends By A Sunni

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Before the Prophet of Islam, the Pagans had turned Kabah into a temple. There were 360 idols inside and they performed tawaf without any clothes on. Could there be anything more disrespectful than this?

They did not call themselves Muslims-

 

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They did not call themselves Muslims-

And can you stop people from calling themselves whatever they like?

We tried to do that against Qadianis because we perhaps nipped the evil before it was too strong. But shias are a reality. They have been there since the age of Safavid rulers (in their present form). I still believe unity is possible between shias and sunnis. They both have the same Prophet, same Book, same God. If sincere leaders in both communities sit together they can find a solution to this mess.

 

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I feel, sunnis and shias both need to sacrifice for the unity of ummah.

We can survive without Abu Bakr, they can survive without Ali.

Isn't Muhammad s.a.w enough for us?

 

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I feel, sunnis and shias both need to sacrifice for the unity of ummah.

We can survive without Abu Bakr, they can survive without Ali.

Isn't Muhammad s.a.w enough for us?

you wrote that "We can survive without Abu Bakr, "
I don't think I can comment on that - - -

 

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Show me the evidence of disrespect - and i will reply to those personally. On behalf of ALL EDUCATED SHIAS i again reiterate that we respect all islamic personalities but reserve the right to mourn the DIRECT family of The Prophet SAW.

see the link

https://siasat.pk/forums/threads/%DA%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%B5%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%A8%DB%81-%DA%A9%D9%88-%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%86%DB%8C-%DA%A9%DA%BE%D9%84%DB%8C-%DA%86%DA%BE%D9%88%D9%B9-mufti-zubair-speech.764769/

and see how Haideriam used sarcasm against Hazrat Aysha.

I am the only sunni who go offended and came with a response. And here Sunni are calling me Hindu or calling me to shut up. Why didn't they ask Haideriam to shut up. Mine was a reaction .

 

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There were disputes among the sahabah, there were controversies. They differed with each other, some even fought against each other in the times of fitnah. It happened because they were human beings. None of them was chosen by God like Muhammad peace be upon him. Shias need to admit this fact that Ali was not chosen by God. Abu Bakr and Umar were also not chosen by God.

You can't place a man next to Muhammad peace be upon him.

And if you insist upon making someone equal to or a partner with Muhammad, sorry you're not a Muslim.

Sunni ulema don't speak the truth. They become so much diplomatic to the level of hypocrisy. Shia ulema are not different. Both of them live in the state of denial.

 

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you wrote that "We can survive without Abu Bakr, "
I don't think I can comment on that - - -

Well, when I go to my grave, Allah will not ask me if you believed in Abu Bakr or Ali.

They were great people, companions of the Prophet pbuh, they served Islam, I love them.

But for the sake of uniting people, which is holier than anything else, we may stop glorifying any of them, we may just focus on the teachings of Quran and the life of Prophet without exalting the status of any particular companion.

Allah said in Quran that there's no differentiation among the Prophets, then why we have differentiation among the companions? We should respect and love all sahaba equally.

 

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Well, when I go to my grave, Allah will not ask me if you believed in Abu Bakr or Ali.

They were great people, companions of the Prophet pbuh, they served Islam, I love them.

But for the sake of uniting people, which is holier than anything else, we may stop glorifying any of them, we may just focus on the teachings of Quran and the life of Prophet without exalting the status of any particular companion.

Allah said in Quran that there's no differentiation among the Prophets, then why we have differentiation among the companions? We should respect and love all sahaba equally.

you wrote " We should respect and love all sahaba equally. "

I fully agree with that. And this is my point.

 

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you wrote " We should respect and love all sahaba equally. "

I fully agree with that. And this is my point.

You know there are some facts that nobody can change. The fact that Abu Bakr took over the Islamic empire after the Prophet, and that Umar and Usman played their part later. And only an ignorant fool can deny that these 3 companions built a great Empire before Usman was killed by the enemies of the state. Usman was killed because the enemies wanted a halt in the expansion of the Muslim empire.

Only a fool can deny that Umaiyads had not expanded the Muslim empire from Spain to Sindh, and it was the largest Empire of the time, larger than the Roman empire at that time.

These political facts prove that Abu Bakr till Usman and Umayyads were great rulers/administrators. We may discuss their achievements and their failures too.

But discussing their mutual disagreements and conflicts, like those between Muawiyah and Ali must be banned, punishable by life imprisonment. And this will happen only when sunni and shia ulama sit together in search of peace and stability in the Muslim world.

 

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Arabs and Iranians have been rivals since the time Persia was captured by the companions. Earlier, before Islam, the Arabs were nobody. They were just ignorant wanderers and tribals without any civilised way of life. Islam changed them, made them the most civilised nation on the face of earth, the leaders of the world. And from that point, the Persians saw them as their opponents. This rivalry was coupled with Islam which Persians believed had been imposed on them. Sunnis are fools who say that before the Safavids, Persia/Iran was sunni. If it was sunni then why the most troublesome incident of Karbala took place on their land, which has divided the Ummah into two large factions?

Today the Western world is using Iranians and Arabs both to keep this ummah disunited politically. On one hand they encourage Iranians to keep pressurising and attacking the Arabs, and on the other hand they are getting the Arabs to make peace with Israel and fight the shias. This joke must stop somehow. Nobody will come from outside and fix this. Sunnis and Shias have to sit together and struggle for peace and unity.

 

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This man is spreading hatred,I don;t even think he is Muslim because he doesn't know any thing about Islam.

 

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This man is spreading hatred,I don;t even think he is Muslim because he doesn't know any thing about Islam.

No Shame, Came here to doubt my faith.
See what this Shia did , can you see the sarcasm towards our mother Hazrat Aysha and towards Hazrat Asma bint Abu bakar and Hazrat Abu bakar Siddique?
This happened today few hours ago. Us waqat tery gharat nahee jaagee ? who started spreading hatred first ? Only a non Muslims will not be offended which definitely you are.
dekh Haideriam nay kya likha hay? Is Haideriam kay musalman honay per tujh koh koee doubt nahee hogah .

 

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There are the 4 questions, which bother me about Shia and I am unable to find the answers.

I would like any Shia to respond to these 4 questions.


Responding to questions with questions will not help. Also responding with abuse would mean Shia’s don’t have the answer, because when one resort to abuse, it means one doesn’t have the answer.



Here are my 4 questions :

Every Shia believes that When Prophet Muhammad PBUH went to Miraj and spoke to Allah , he heard Hazrat Ali voice .

Watch this video here

Question 1: Is this not Shirk to say Allah speaks in Hazrat Ali voice?



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Most of the Sunni will want to use either Allah or Muhammad PBUH as their portfolio on social media. A small minority may use Sahaba names. BUT

Most of the Shia use Hazrat Ali or Imam Hussain name for their portfolio, only a minority may use Allah or prophet Muhammad PBUH.


Question 2: Is Hazrat Ali or Hazrat Imam Hussain more respectable than Allah and Prophet Muhammad, if not then why ignoring them , and preferring Hazrat Ali name . Why not Allah or Prophet Muhammad name in the portfolio used by the majority?

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We seek help from Allah who doesn’t need help. He is all-powerful . In every rakaat of namaaz we recite surah Fatiha in which Allah taught us to ask only from him.

But Shia seek help from Hazrat Ali by saying Yah-Ali, who was NOT ALL powerful like Allah, I will show you here.

Hazrat Ali was martyred by Abd al-Rahman. Hazrat Ali died two days later on 21 Ramadan .

He was in deep agony for two days because of the wounds before he passed away. Surrounded by his closest family members Hazrat Ali (a.s) in one of his last wills said; “Until yesterday I was your Ameer (leader), today I am only an object from whom you can take lessons and warnings, and tomorrow I shall part company with you”.

He could not help himself when he was in deep pain, so how could he help anyone today ? Also Shias believe (It is a Shia belief not mine) that when Hazrat Fatima was attacked by Hazrat Umar, Hazrat Ali could not help her because Hazrat Abu bakar was in power , he was a Khalifa. So Hazrat Ali was helpless when Hazrat Fatima was martyred by Hazrat Umar (Shia belief not mine) . Don’t you think he should have saved her? He could not save her.


Question 3: Why do Shias seek help from someone who could not help his wife from being martyred and could not help himself when he was attacked ? How can he help them today ? Isn’t it better to instead ask help from Allah only who is present everywhere and who is ALL POWERFUL.

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Shias believe Prophet Muhammad demise was not natural but he was martyred . surprisingly they do not mourn prophet Muhammad martyrdom, but they mourn Hazrat Imam Hussain martyrdom .

Question 4: If Prophet Muhammad PBUH is more respected and more important than Hazrat Imam Hussain for every Muslim then why Shia mourn Hazrat Imam Hussain martyrdom but ignore Prophet Muhamad martyrdom, doesn’t that prove Shias love Hazrat Imam Hussain more than Prophet Muhammad PBUH ?​

I asked Shias these 4 questions because it looks as if Shias's worship Hazrat Ali not Almighty Allah. respond to my above 4 questions and prove me wrong.

Whoever Allah guides no one can misguide, whoever Allah misguide no one can gudie.

May Allah protect our eiman and love of Last and final Prophet Muhammad peace be upon on him.