Four Questions For Our Shia Friends By A Sunni

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knowledge88 I'm suggesting you as a brother that instead of engaging in religious discussions with the other groups, it's better to spread awareness of your own religion/faith with your words and character. Majority of sunnis today don't know much about their religion. Therefore, leave all others alone, and educate your own community about what you think is the right way of life.

 

[RealPeople]

This is the first Shia response. I think last time I told you that you don't even know about your faith. By the way did you report to Admin when one of your buddies "
Haideriam "was abusing my sahabas a while ago here. Can't handle the response then don't start.

As i stated, very clearly, your daily agenda is based on trouble making. You are yet again ignoring the fact that shias respect all prophets and respected personalities. There is no need to refer to individuals who are disrespectful. Yet YOU ARE DISRESPECTFUL TO THE CORE TO START THREADS LIKE THESE. F ..G SICKO

 

[jani1]

اگر تو یہ سوالات سچ پر مبنی ہیں پھر تو ان کا جواب ملنا چاہیئے۔۔ مگر۔۔
میری رائے میں، ہر ایک کو آزادی ہے، اپنے طور پر اپنے رب کو یاد کرنے کی، یا جسے وہ چاہیں خدا کا درجہ دینے کی۔۔۔
اس سے حقیقت نہیں بدلے گی۔۔۔۔ رب العالمین کے واحد ہونے اور صرف اس کے ہی ہمارے لیئے مددگار ہونے کی حقیقت۔۔​

 

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knowledge88 I'm suggesting you as a brother that instead of engaging in religious discussions with the other groups, it's better to spread awareness of your own religion/faith with your words and character. Majority of sunnis today don't know much about their religion. Therefore, leave all others alone, and educate your own community about what you think is the right way of life.

I am a person of flesh and blood. I got offended by some of the Shia members in this forum abuse on our religious books on our Sahabas.

 

[jani1]

where were you when Haideriam was abusing my Sahabas a while ago on this siasat.pk. Now you came worried about Imran Khan's government. I would not have started this questions if he had not abused my Sahabas on this website. Stay away from my thread.

چاہے کوئی صحابہ کو پیغمبر کو یا پھر اللّٰہ کو جتنا چاہیں، برا کہیں۔۔ کھبی وہ ان کی بے عزتی نہیں کرسکتے۔۔۔کھبی کوئی قرآن کو جلا کر اسکی توہین نہیں کرسکتا۔۔
کیونکہ عزت صرف اللّٰہ دینے والا ہے۔۔جو کسی کے کچھ کہنے کرنے سے نہیں جائے گی ،لہذا اس فکر سے باہر آیئے۔۔۔۔
بس خود حق کی راہ پر قائم رہیں۔۔اور باقیوں کے لیے دعا کیجیئے سیدھے اور ہدایت والے رستے کی۔​

 

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اگر تو یہ سوالات سچ پر مبنی ہیں پھر تو ان کا جواب ملنا چاہیئے۔۔ مگر۔۔
میری رائے میں، ہر ایک کو آزادی ہے، اپنے طور پر اپنے رب کو یاد کرنے کی، یا جسے وہ چاہیں خدا کا درجہ دینے کی۔۔۔
اس سے حقیقت نہیں بدلے گی۔۔۔۔ رب العالمین کے واحد ہونے اور صرف اس کے ہی ہمارے لیئے مددگار ہونے میں۔۔​

All the questions are valid.
Question1 : I gave a video for evidence. I had a good Shia friend who told me that it is a shia belief that on Miraj Prophet Muhammad PBUH heard Allah talking in Hazrat Ali voice
Queation2: IT is evident Shais mostly use Hazrat Ali in their portfolio, why not Allah, isn't it a valid question
Question 3: Why saying Yah Ali when Allah is the most powerful and who promised to help
Question 4: If both Prophet Muhammad PBUH and Hazrat Imam Hussain were martyred (in shia faith) then why mourning Hazrat Imam Hussain martyrdom only ?

They are all valid questions

 

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I am a person of flesh and blood. I got offended by some of the Shia members in this forum abuse on our religious books on our Sahabas.

Well cursing the companions is the part and parcel of their ideology. If they don't curse the first 3 rashidoon caliphs and 2 mothers of believers they can't be shias. You know this, everyone knows this. So what's the point? Let them have any beliefs they want. You can't convert them, they can't covert you.

 

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چاہے کوئی صحابہ کو پیغمبر کو یا پھر اللّٰہ کو جتنا چاہیں، برا کہیں۔۔ کھبی وہ ان کی بے عزتی نہیں کرسکتے۔۔۔کھبی کوئی قرآن کو جلا کر اسکی توہین نہیں کرسکتا۔۔
کیونکہ عزت صرف اللّٰہ دینے والا ہے۔۔جو کسی کے کچھ کہنے کرنے سے نہیں جائے گی ،لہذا اس فکر سے باہر آیئے۔۔۔۔
بس خود حق کی راہ پر قائم رہیں۔۔اور باقیوں کے لیے دعا کیجیئے سیدھے اور ہدایت والے رستے کی۔​

True. Some westerners are makings cartoons of our Prophet, others are torching Quran. We can't stop them. We are not powerful enough to do it. Best is to ignore them, leave them alone.

 

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Well cursing the companions is the part and parcel of their ideology. If they don't curse the first 3 rashidoon caliphs and 2 mothers of believers they can't be shias. You know this, everyone knows this. So what's the point? Let them have any beliefs they want. You can't convert them, they can't covert you.

They can curse in their own majlis or in their homes. But the cursing took place in response to a sunni question to a Sunni on a forum which is used by both Shia and Sunni.

 

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True. Some westerners are makings cartoons of our Prophet, others are torching Quran. We can't stop them. We are not powerful enough to do it. Best is to ignore them, leave them alone.

but we can respond to them in words with arguments, this is what I am doing. What is wrong with that? I am not cursing anyone.

 

[RealPeople]

I am a person of flesh and blood. I got offended by some of the Shia members in this forum abuse on our religious books on our Sahabas.

Show me the evidence of disrespect - and i will reply to those personally. On behalf of ALL EDUCATED SHIAS i again reiterate that we respect all islamic personalities but reserve the right to mourn the DIRECT family of The Prophet SAW.

 

[shah_G]

Boss G it's very easy questions I think AP ksi Shia k pas gy hi nahi kbi pochny ye questions ghr Mai bethy rhy ho ye soch kr k inn bataou ka koi jawab nahi Dy sakta in sawalo k jawab b BHT sari ahdees e Mubaraka Hain ye batien khd sy nai banai gaien apka ilm abi sirf web site jitna hai apko Aram sy Beth k samjhna pry ga Inka jawab

 

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All the questions are valid.
Question1 : I gave a video for evidence. I had a good Shia friend who told me that it is a shia belief that on Miraj Prophet Muhammad PBUH heard Allah talking in Hazrat Ali voice

There are some sunnis with deviant beliefs who have uploaded their videos on YouTube. What if a shia refers to them and question's your beliefs?

Shias are also found in various colours. They have more sects than sunnis have. Besides each sect has got people with a unique mindset, so you may see variations even among the 12ers. And this thing is present among sunnis too. I have met some very decent shias who don't get involved in such shitty stuff. They do criticise some companions, even Aisha r.a but don't use verbal abuse. I think they are very balanced and good people.

 

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but we can respond to them in words with arguments.

We can rebuke them with our good character that we have learnt from our Prophet and from our religion. If we are showing a bad character to the whole world, how can we just stop them by being violent and taking to the streets in protests?

 

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There are some sunnis with deviant beliefs who have uploaded their videos on YouTube. What if a shia refers to them and question's your beliefs?

Shias are also found in various colours. They have more sects than sunnis have. Besides each sect has got people with a unique mindset, so you may see variations even among the 12ers. And this thing is present among sunnis too. I have met some very decent shias who don't get involved in such shitty stuff. They do criticise some companions, even Aisha r.a but don't use verbal abuse. I think they are very balanced and good people.

you wrote " but don't use verbal abuse. "
I have not used any verbal abused to a Shia.

 

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They can curse in their own majlis or in their homes. But the cursing took place in response to a sunni question to a Sunni on a forum which is used by both Shia and Sunni.

To stop them from cursing the companions you have only two options which are hard to achieve.

1. Get some legislation and arrest everyone who criticises a companion or a religious personality of any faith including Christians/Hindus.

2. Enforce Islamic laws in your country and throw the slanderers in jails.

 

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We can rebuke them with our good character that we have learnt from our Prophet and from our religion. If we are showing a bad character to the whole world, how can we just stop them by being violent and taking to the streets in protests?

I am against the street protest. But I don't think there is anything wrong with responding to their allegations with arguments.

 

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you wrote " but don't use verbal abuse. "
I have not used any verbal abused to a Shia.

No, I was saying that some shias don't use verbal abuse against the sahaba. Not everyone is born with an abusive tongue.

 

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I am against the street protest. But I don't think there is anything wrong with responding to their allegations.

Before the Prophet of Islam, the Pagans had turned Kabah into a temple. There were 360 idols inside and they performed tawaf without any clothes on. Could there be anything more disrespectful than this?

The Prophet tolerated that for 23 years. He waited, struggled, until he acquired the power and strength to stop that.

Aren't we to follow this way?

We need to be strong first.

 

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No, I was saying that some shias don't use verbal abuse against the sahaba. Not everyone is born with an abusive tongue.

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