Empirical evidence for the correct transmission of Hadith

[such bolo]

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- Ibn Abi Asim (d. 287 AH) and al-Tabarani (d. 360) narrate with their Isnad going back to the Tabi'ee, Abdir Rahman ibn Yasaar, that he said, I witnessed the death of Umar, and on that day there was a solar eclipse.
[al-Ahad wal Mathani, no. 77, al-Mu'jam al-Kabeer, no. 79]

- It is narrated from another Tabi'ee, Ma'dan ibn Abi Talha, that Umar was stabbed on Wednesday, four days before the end of Dhul-Hijjah. [Musannaf ibn Abi Shaibah (34562), Mustadrak al-Hakim (3/ 90), and others with a Saheeh Isnad]
From many other accounts it is clear that the year was 23 AH, and that Umar ruled for ten years.
- Some narrators and historians mention he died on Wednesday, but others mention that he was in fact stabbed on Wednesday but lived for three days before succumbing to his injuries. [e.g. Abu Nu'aym, Ma'rifat al-Sahabah, no.162]

Since he was stabbed while leading Fajr on Wed, so the three days he lived after it are: Wed itself, Thu, and Fri. But it is not clear whether he died on the third day (i.e. Fri), or lived for three days and died on the fourth (i.e. Sat).
???

Now let us look at empirical data which will corroborate the above quoted accounts, and clear the ambiguity about the day he died, whether it was Friday or Saturday.
Nasa's Eclipse Website mentions that there was a solar eclipse on 5th of Nov. 644 AD.

That corresponds to Friday, as can be checked here:

And in Hijri, it corresponds to the 28th of Dhul Hijjah, 23 AH.

Summing all that up:

Umar was stabbed on Wed, 26th of Dhul Hijjah 23 AH, and he succumbed to his injuries on Friday, the 28th of the month, corresponding to 5th Nov. 644 AD, the day when a solar eclipse took place.
???

Different authors from different regions, living in different eras, narrating from different Shuyookh and chains, going back to different Tabi'een, mentioning different details about a single event; but despite all that their details corroborate each other, and are proven to be empirically correct by astronomical and mathematical evidence.
???

This goes to show that the Isnad was a quite reliable method for documenting events and transmitting them from generation to generation. If the death of 'Umar has been so accurately narrated with different chains of narration, although it is not a part of a Muslim's Deen (belief and practice), then surely the narrators would have transmitted what pertains to their Deen (i.e. Prophetic Hadith) accurately too.

Via Nabeel Nisar Sheikh

 

[Citizen X]

????????? ???????? ??? ??? ??????? ???????????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ?????????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ?????:

- Ibn Abi Asim (d. 287 AH) and al-Tabarani (d. 360) narrate with their Isnad going back to the Tabi'ee, Abdir Rahman ibn Yasaar, that he said, I witnessed the death of Umar, and on that day there was a solar eclipse.
[al-Ahad wal Mathani, no. 77, al-Mu'jam al-Kabeer, no. 79]

- It is narrated from another Tabi'ee, Ma'dan ibn Abi Talha, that Umar was stabbed on Wednesday, four days before the end of Dhul-Hijjah. [Musannaf ibn Abi Shaibah (34562), Mustadrak al-Hakim (3/ 90), and others with a Saheeh Isnad]
From many other accounts it is clear that the year was 23 AH, and that Umar ruled for ten years.
- Some narrators and historians mention he died on Wednesday, but others mention that he was in fact stabbed on Wednesday but lived for three days before succumbing to his injuries. [e.g. Abu Nu'aym, Ma'rifat al-Sahabah, no.162]

Since he was stabbed while leading Fajr on Wed, so the three days he lived after it are: Wed itself, Thu, and Fri. But it is not clear whether he died on the third day (i.e. Fri), or lived for three days and died on the fourth (i.e. Sat).
???

Now let us look at empirical data which will corroborate the above quoted accounts, and clear the ambiguity about the day he died, whether it was Friday or Saturday.
Nasa's Eclipse Website mentions that there was a solar eclipse on 5th of Nov. 644 AD.

That corresponds to Friday, as can be checked here:

And in Hijri, it corresponds to the 28th of Dhul Hijjah, 23 AH.

Summing all that up:

Umar was stabbed on Wed, 26th of Dhul Hijjah 23 AH, and he succumbed to his injuries on Friday, the 28th of the month, corresponding to 5th Nov. 644 AD, the day when a solar eclipse took place.
???

Different authors from different regions, living in different eras, narrating from different Shuyookh and chains, going back to different Tabi'een, mentioning different details about a single event; but despite all that their details corroborate each other, and are proven to be empirically correct by astronomical and mathematical evidence.
???

This goes to show that the Isnad was a quite reliable method for documenting events and transmitting them from generation to generation. If the death of 'Umar has been so accurately narrated with different chains of narration, although it is not a part of a Muslim's Deen (belief and practice), then surely the narrators would have transmitted what pertains to their Deen (i.e. Prophetic Hadith) accurately too.

Via Nabeel Nisar Sheikh

Imam Bhukhari did a great job and service to the Muslim ummah in collecting and recording these hadiths. Because a lot of things which were not true and even slanderous had started to circulate regarding the prophet, so this had to be done.

The problem arises when people start taking the Hadith as holy scripture and think its gods word and it has to be followed to the dot and anyone who doesn't is a sinner.

Hadith is more of a historical record of the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w, memoirs or third person autobiography if you will. There are no additional commandments in the hadith nor does the hadith abrogate any from the Quran. The Quran is not dependent on the hadith but the hadith is dependent on the Quran.

Another problem is people tend to mix and think Hadith and the sunnah are one of the same, when that is not the case.

And after all being said and done, it is still the work of man more than a 100 years after the death of even the last sahaba. Imam Bhukhari disregarded more hadith than he collected in the collection this just goes to show how fragile they are and cannot be still claimed to be infallible. They are authentic to the best of the collectors ability.

And no human is 100% free from error. That honour was only bestowed on our dearly beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w

 

[Vitamin_C]

People have different opinions about the importance of Sahih Bukhari. For early Muslim they were the most important text in Islam next to only Quran and they followed them like a bible. It was found in every mosque along with the Quran.

Today Muslims find some of the hadiths embarrassing or in contradiction with science.

Most of the original Islamic texts other than the Quran have been lost forever. Ibn Ishaq version of prophets biography is no longer available as later scholars deemed it to be too embarrassing and violent. The watered down version by Ibn Khathir is still very violent. Same goes for hadiths.

I think slowly over time most of the remaining Islamic sources are going to lose favour and even Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslims will be deemed unimportant and unreliable by Muslims. Some Muslims have already started doing that. Most of the original Tafsirs and Translations of Quran have been thrown out.

This is probably a good thing for the clergy and ruling class. If people are ignorant about other sources of Islam that give the context of the verses in Quran. That gives them the freedom to make up their own tafsirs and translations and make whatever meaning out of the Quran that serves their purpose...

Although the actual words in the Quran havent changed. Just compare the original Tafsirs and Translations with the new ones over time and you will see that the meanings have changed.

Imam Bhukhari did a great job and service to the Muslim ummah in collecting and recording these hadiths. Because a lot of things which were not true and even slanderous had started to circulate regarding the prophet, so this had to be done.

The problem arises when people start taking the Hadith as holy scripture and think its gods word and it has to be followed to the dot and anyone who doesn't is a sinner.

Hadith is more of a historical record of the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w, memoirs or third person autobiography if you will. There are no additional commandments in the hadith nor does the hadith abrogate any from the Quran. The Quran is not dependent on the hadith but the hadith is dependent on the Quran.

Another problem is people tend to mix and think Hadith and the sunnah are one of the same, when that is not the case.

And after all being said and done, it is still the work of man more than a 100 years after the death of even the last sahaba. Imam Bhukhari disregarded more hadith than he collected in the collection this just goes to show how fragile they are and cannot be still claimed to be infallible. They are authentic to the best of the collectors ability.

And no human is 100% free from error. That honour was only bestowed on our dearly beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w

 

[Citizen X]

People have different opinions about the importance of Sahih Bukhari. For early Muslim they were the most important text in Islam next to only Quran and they followed them like a bible. It was found in every mosque along with the Quran.

Today Muslims find some of the hadiths embarrassing or in contradiction with science.

Most of the original Islamic texts other than the Quran have been lost forever. Ibn Ishaq version of prophets biography is no longer available as later scholars deemed it to be too embarrassing and violent. The watered down version by Ibn Khathir is still very violent. Same goes for hadiths.

Like I said this problem only arises because of taking the Hadith for holy scripture. If you read the hadith for what they actually are then there is no problem. But since Muslims are an emotional lot specially when it comes to the Prophet s.a.w they go above and beyond in all aspects

Just to put it into perspective. Its not even been a 100 years since Hitler died but even then with all our record keeping and advances and technology we do not have a 100% accurate record of his life, there are still things, events and sayings that are disputed as to whether Hitler did do or say such things.

So now you can imagine how hard must have been for people like Imam Bhukhari 1200 years ago to collect and authenticate information about a person who had passed away more than 200 years ago. But even then he did a marvelous job and no matter how much you praise him, its not enough. But still we have to keep that window open that at the end of the day it is still a work of man and not infallible

 

[Raziacanada]

Imam Bhukhari did a great job and service to the Muslim ummah in collecting and recording these hadiths. Because a lot of things which were not true and even slanderous had started to circulate regarding the prophet, so this had to be done.

The problem arises when people start taking the Hadith as holy scripture and think its gods word and it has to be followed to the dot and anyone who doesn't is a sinner.

Hadith is more of a historical record of the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w, memoirs or third person autobiography if you will. There are no additional commandments in the hadith nor does the hadith abrogate any from the Quran. The Quran is not dependent on the hadith but the hadith is dependent on the Quran.

Another problem is people tend to mix and think Hadith and the sunnah are one of the same, when that is not the case.

And after all being said and done, it is still the work of man more than a 100 years after the death of even the last sahaba. Imam Bhukhari disregarded more hadith than he collected in the collection this just goes to show how fragile they are and cannot be still claimed to be infallible. They are authentic to the best of the collectors ability.

And no human is 100% free from error. That honour was only bestowed on our dearly beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w

People have different opinions about the importance of Sahih Bukhari. For early Muslim they were the most important text in Islam next to only Quran and they followed them like a bible. It was found in every mosque along with the Quran.

Today Muslims find some of the hadiths embarrassing or in contradiction with science.

Most of the original Islamic texts other than the Quran have been lost forever. Ibn Ishaq version of prophets biography is no longer available as later scholars deemed it to be too embarrassing and violent. The watered down version by Ibn Khathir is still very violent. Same goes for hadiths.

I think slowly over time most of the remaining Islamic sources are going to lose favour and even Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslims will be deemed unimportant and unreliable by Muslims. Some Muslims have already started doing that. Most of the original Tafsirs and Translations of Quran have been thrown out.

This is probably a good thing for the clergy and ruling class. If people are ignorant about other sources of Islam that give the context of the verses in Quran. That gives them the freedom to make up their own tafsirs and translations and make whatever meaning out of the Quran that serves their purpose...

Although the actual words in the Quran havent changed. Just compare the original Tafsirs and Translations with the new ones over time and you will see that the meanings have changed.

I am unable to find such a English translated Bukhari or Muslim which shows the complete chain of narrators at the start of the Hadis. Just like Bukhari or Muslim in Arabic shows complete chain. Can someone help find it.

It is so strange that translators don't translate an impressive part of a Hadith which would certainly inspire the English readers.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I am unable to find such a English translated Bukhari or Muslim which shows the complete chain of narrators at the start of the Hadis. Just like Bukhari or Muslim in Arabic shows complete chain. Can someone help find it.

It is so strange that translators don't translate an impressive part of a Hadith which would certainly inspire the English readers.

MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED RAWAYAAT OR AHDEETH. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE QURAN AND IMPLEMENT IT IN YOUR LIFE. SLOWLY BUT SURELY PEOPLE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THE NON-QURANIC LITERATURE AND MOVING TOWARDS QURAN ALONE COMMUNITY.

 

[Vitamin_C]

If you made that statement 1000 years ago you would be hanged for blasphemy.

Islam is a different religion now than it was before.

People already discrediting sahih hadith. Its only a matter of time when people will start discrediting certain verses of the Quran aswell.

MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU DON'T NEED RAWAYAAT OR AHDEETH. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE QURAN AND IMPLEMENT IT IN YOUR LIFE. SLOWLY BUT SURELY PEOPLE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM THE NON-QURANIC LITERATURE AND MOVING TOWARDS QURAN ALONE COMMUNITY.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Have you checked Sunnah.com?

I am unable to find such a English translated Bukhari or Muslim which shows the complete chain of narrators at the start of the Hadis. Just like Bukhari or Muslim in Arabic shows complete chain. Can someone help find it.

It is so strange that translators don't translate an impressive part of a Hadith which would certainly inspire the English readers.

 

[Wake up Pak]

If you made that statement 1000 years ago you would be hanged for blasphemy.

Islam is a different religion now than it was before.

People already discrediting sahih hadith. Its only a matter of time when people will start discrediting certain verses of the Quran aswell.

You will still get hanged in this day and age for my statement as it hurts the mullahs Islam.

Only non-Muslims will discredit the Quranic verses.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Its already happening. Modern translations and tafsirs of Quran are different from the original ones. People have been changing the meanings of the verses since they cant completely remove the verses yet.

You will still get hanged in this day and age for my statement as it hurts the mullahs Islam.

Only non-Muslims will discredit the Quranic verses.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Its already happening. Modern translations and tafsirs of Quran are different from the original ones. People have been changing the meanings of the verses since they cant completely remove the verses yet.

Getting a different meaning of the Arabic word does not mean you are changing the original text. In the Arabic Lexicon, you can get several meanings of a word.

 

[Raziacanada]

Have you checked Sunnah.com?

It's same there. I have pasted. English text does not have

check this link

Or see below

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me. -1. Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey. -2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum, therefore anyone of my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due. -3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. -4. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection). -5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سِنَانٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، ح قَالَ وَحَدَّثَنِي سَعِيدُ بْنُ النَّضْرِ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا سَيَّارٌ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ ـ هُوَ ابْنُ صُهَيْبٍ الْفَقِيرُ ـ قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا جَابِرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ أُعْطِيتُ خَمْسًا لَمْ يُعْطَهُنَّ أَحَدٌ قَبْلِي نُصِرْتُ بِالرُّعْبِ مَسِيرَةَ شَهْرٍ، وَجُعِلَتْ لِيَ الأَرْضُ مَسْجِدًا وَطَهُورًا، فَأَيُّمَا رَجُلٍ مِنْ أُمَّتِي أَدْرَكَتْهُ الصَّلاَةُ فَلْيُصَلِّ، وَأُحِلَّتْ لِيَ الْمَغَانِمُ وَلَمْ تَحِلَّ لأَحَدٍ قَبْلِي، وَأُعْطِيتُ الشَّفَاعَةَ، وَكَانَ النَّبِيُّ يُبْعَثُ إِلَى قَوْمِهِ خَاصَّةً، وَبُعِثْتُ إِلَى النَّاسِ عَامَّةً ‏"‏‏.‏

Reference	: Sahih al-Bukhari 335
In-book reference	: Book 7, Hadith 2
USC-MSA web (English) reference	: Vol. 1, Book 7, Hadith 331

 

[Raziacanada]

Like I said this problem only arises because of taking the Hadith for holy scripture. If you read the hadith for what they actually are then there is no problem. But since Muslims are an emotional lot specially when it comes to the Prophet s.a.w they go above and beyond in all aspects

Just to put it into perspective. Its not even been a 100 years since Hitler died but even then with all our record keeping and advances and technology we do not have a 100% accurate record of his life, there are still things, events and sayings that are disputed as to whether Hitler did do or say such things.

So now you can imagine how hard must have been for people like Imam Bhukhari 1200 years ago to collect and authenticate information about a person who had passed away more than 200 years ago. But even then he did a marvelous job and no matter how much you praise him, its not enough. But still we have to keep that window open that at the end of the day it is still a work of man and not infallible

And that's the point. If we don't tell English community how Sahi Bukhari or Muslim came to our hand in the form of a book, we will be missing a lot.
And by not showing the Sanad in English translation, we are lacking to show the authenticity of these books .

 

[Citizen X]

And that's the point. If we don't tell English community how Sahi Bukhari or Muslim came to our hand in the form of a book, we will be missing a lot.
And by not showing the Sanad in English translation, we are lacking to show the authenticity of these books .

The Arabic side on Sunnah.com has the sanad in grey. I'm sure one is able to at least read the names. if not you can even try google translate. I tried one and it came out alright

Book of revelation hadith no 1

"Tell us Hamidi Abdullah bin Zubair, said to us Sufian, said Yahya bin Saeed Ansari, said Mohammed bin Ibrahim told me Taymi, he heard Alqamah Bin Waqas Laithi, says I heard Omar ibn al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him on the pulpit said: I heard the Messenger of Allah Upon him say"

 

[Citizen X]

Its already happening. Modern translations and tafsirs of Quran are different from the original ones. People have been changing the meanings of the verses since they cant completely remove the verses yet.

Yes true, people have done that like Ghulam Ahmed Perwez and the Quranist movement but failed miserably and by and large rejected by the Muslim umma at large save for a tiny minority. And the Arabic text is always there which is impossible to change now, with the millions of copies around the world to compare with and probably the only book in the world that 1000s if not millions have memorized by heart.

 

[such bolo]

Imam Bhukhari did a great job and service to the Muslim ummah in collecting and recording these hadiths. Because a lot of things which were not true and even slanderous had started to circulate regarding the prophet, so this had to be done.

The problem arises when people start taking the Hadith as holy scripture and think its gods word and it has to be followed to the dot and anyone who doesn't is a sinner.

Hadith is more of a historical record of the times and life of the Prophet s.a.w, memoirs or third person autobiography if you will. There are no additional commandments in the hadith nor does the hadith abrogate any from the Quran. The Quran is not dependent on the hadith but the hadith is dependent on the Quran.

Another problem is people tend to mix and think Hadith and the sunnah are one of the same, when that is not the case.

And after all being said and done, it is still the work of man more than a 100 years after the death of even the last sahaba. Imam Bhukhari disregarded more hadith than he collected in the collection this just goes to show how fragile they are and cannot be still claimed to be infallible. They are authentic to the best of the collectors ability.

And no human is 100% free from error. That honour was only bestowed on our dearly beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w

Your total argument is flawed due to baseless misconceptions:

Note down these things and remember forever, and if you are sincere enough I hope you will not repeat them again at any level:

1) Collecting/remebering/transmitting and acting upon the sayings and instructions of Prophet Muhammad sallil laahu alaihi wasallam was part of every muslim's life at the time of Sahaba...and Sahaba were the first muhaddith of this ummah and they also used to write those hadeeth as well. They did so due to the understanding of true meaning of Islam as well as they had the instructions of Pophet Muhammad sallil laahu alaihi wasallam to do so.
2) Imam Bukhari was not the only Muhaddith of this Ummah who collected hadeeth...There has been hundred of thousands of ulema in Islam who have been serving this noble science of collecting hadeeth.
3) For last more than 1400 year the whole ummah is agreed upon the authority of Hadith as Allah himself has commanded to follow your Rasool.
4) For last 1400 years there has never ever been any notable personality who had claimed that collecting hadeeth is just for the purpose of collecting history...no, every segment of muslim ummah has always considered it as authority in Islam.
5) Hadeeth do add in Islam as the saying of Prophet sallil laahu alaihi wasallam in the matters of deen was from revelation, hadeeth commands muslims how to pray how to do business how to pay zakah how to celeberate eids how to perform hujj Nikah death birth etc etc. So your saying that it adds nothing is just a GHAMDI chawal and nothing else.

Modern day rejector of hadeeth are of many types: like ghulam ahmed pervaiz, tamanna amaadi and Jawed ahmed ghamdi. They all have tried to change the basic principle of islam with regard to Hadeeth. But have failed miserably and will keep failing in sha Allah.

 

[Citizen X]

The instant someone challenges your beliefs all your civility and manners go out the window, well done!

1) Collecting/remebering/transmitting and acting upon the sayings and instructions of Prophet Muhammad sallil laahu alaihi wasallam was part of every muslim's life at the time of Sahaba...and Sahaba were the first muhaddith of this ummah and they also used to write those hadeeth as well. They did so due to the understanding of true meaning of Islam as well as they had the instructions of Pophet Muhammad sallil laahu alaihi wasallam to do so.

Then shouldn't there be more Hadith from the closet Sahaba of Rasool s.a.w like Abu Bakr r.a who spent the most time with the prophet s.a.w yet there are less than 50 hadith narrated from him and while there are 1000s of hadith narrated from Sahaba like Abu Huraira who spent less than 25 years with The Prophet s.a.w.

If this was such a critical issue shouldn't it be the other way round?

2) Imam Bukhari was not the only Muhaddith of this Ummah who collected hadeeth...There has been hundred of thousands of ulema in Islam who have been serving this noble science of collecting hadeeth.

Considered the most authentic from the six major books hence example given.

3) For last more than 1400 year the whole ummah is agreed upon the authority of Hadith as Allah himself has commanded to follow your Rasool.

But which Hadith? Many Shia don't accept Sunni Hadith and many Sunnis don't accept Shia hadith. So there is no agreement of the ummah on this.

4) For last 1400 years there has been never ever any notable personality who had claimed that collecting hadeeth is just for the purpose of collecting history...no, every segment of muslim ummah has always conisdered it as authority in Islam.

Doesn't matter but thats what they are.

5) Hadeeth do command muslims how to pray how to do business how to pay zakah how to celeberate eids how to perform hujj Nikah death birth etc etc.

No it doesn't. Hadith doesn't and cannot command anything. It is not scripture revealed from God but work of men. What you are referring to is sunnah, which is passed on through generations through Sunna tawatur, i.e continuous practice. Example salah, Quran does not specify how to pray but yet entire Muslim community regardless of sect basically pray the same way and 5 times a day even though they don't believe and accept each others hadith. Because the sunnah is not something new brought by Prophet Muhammad s.a.w but is Sunna Ibrahimi r.a as mentioned in the Quran. "I have decreed fasting on you as I had decreed fasting for the people before you" 2:183 Meaning this was already happening from before.
The problem is some, like you think Sunnah and Hadith are one of the same, when they are not. Hadith how ever does have a record how our Prophet s.a.w would carry out practice the sunnah but there are no extra commands in the hadith which are not in the Quran

And why would Allah s.a.w leave out his commands from his revealed book of which there is no doubt and leave it in the hands of man 100s of years after the passing of his last prophet.
Just doesn't make sense.


And if we believe you, we are to believe Muslims did not now how to pray, fast, do hajj properly before the hadith were complied some 200 years after the Prophet s.a.w passed away?
Again doesn't make sense.

So your saying that it adds nothing is just a GHAMDI chawal and nothing else.

How is it possible that out of 10 commands the Prophet s.a.w told 9 to people publicly and then told 1 to just one person or to a few? How can Khabr-e-wahid be a command ?

Nice language btw

The only scripture revealed by Allah s.w.t and Allah s.w.t himself has promised will remain free from corruption till the end of time is the Quran. He has made no such promises or claims about anything written by man and he has said follow the Quran and Sunnah, not hadith. Once again I repeat the problem is some, like you think Sunnah and Hadith are one of the same, when they are not.

This is the same problem the Christians fell into, they mixed the hadith of Prophet Isa into the holy scripture. What are the books of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John in the Bibile if not Hadith of Prophet Isa?

If Allah s.w.t had not protected the Quran people like you would have done the same and added the Hadith and made it a part of the Quran too.

So think logically with your head and not emotionally with your heart.

 

[Citizen X]

P.S : People like Ghulam Ahmed Perwez have nothing to do with Hadith they have turned the Quran into a book of fantasy with their nonsensical translations.

Also Ghamdi has never denied the hadith or rejected it. He has just put into perspective of what Hadith really is. All his books quote heavily from the Hadith.

 

[There is only 1]

بخاری صاحب اپنی کتاب کے دیباچے میں رسول پاک صلی الله علیہ والہ وسلم کے بارے میں جو خرافات لکھ چکے ہیں اس کے بعد کوئی احمق ہی ہو گا جو ان کی کتاب کو درست مانے ​

 

[Vitamin_C]

Yeah and if you use a meaning that is incorrect, you are changing the meaning of the quran.

For example in English ball can mean a toy or a dance party.

The two words have completely different meaning so if you replace one with the other you are ineffext, changing the meaning of the text.

But this is not even the main issue. As you know languages change and evolve and Arabic is no different. Some of the meanings of words were created hundreds of years after the Quran was published. If you add those new meanins, you are literally changing and rewritting the Quran.

Getting a different meaning of the Arabic word does not mean you are changing the original text. In the Arabic Lexicon, you can get several meanings of a word.