Dual Nationality : YES or NO ?

[aq.inqalabi]

Our constitution doesn't allow dual national to be a member of parliament which I 100% agree.
Plus as you have seen in the past, politicians do corruption here and build there properties and businesses abroad so when they are not in power they start living abroad to escape accountability. So if you are loyal to Pakistan and want to serve this country than why having businesses and lavish properties in Chelsea, Kensington and park lane. There should be a limit to the assets , you can have abroad.

And Zardari is not dual national, his loyalty by passport and oath is to Pakistan only, but do you actually believe that he is even 1% loyal to this country?

u got my point bro :) , zardari , shareefs , etc they all have big business outside country but on paper they r not dual nationals so "on paper" they are loyal to Pakistan, which every sane person will say NO they are not!

on the other hand those hard working pakistanis who worked abroad only for their families or studies in advanced fields need to become national after certain amount of time to be lawfully citizen of tht country on paper! but every tom,**** n harry member parliament will waist not a single minute to question the loyalty of those hard working pakistanis!

dont allow dual nationals to be member parliament fine BUT atleast dont question their loyalty or their right of asking questions!

 

[kayawish]

in germany there is NO dual nationality option either keep Pakistani passport with perminant resident permit on it or either take German passport.

 

[aq.inqalabi]

thnx to @ADMIN for starting the polls (clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

 

[indigo]

Nothing wrong with dual nationality... but interfarance in politics military or national interests is non of their business .. I would like Qadri sb try this in his other country for example Canada... SC decision should be respected...

 

[ammar26]

In my opinion it should't be allowed to keep dual nationalities.

 

[sabir1]

no. example would be of India where dual citizenship is not allowed and are doing very good all over the world

 

[zshan1]

u got my point bro :) , zardari , shareefs , etc they all have big business outside country but on paper they r not dual nationals so "on paper" they are loyal to Pakistan, which every sane person will say NO they are not!

on the other hand those hard working pakistanis who worked abroad only for their families or studies in advanced fields need to become national after certain amount of time to be lawfully citizen of tht country on paper! but every tom,**** n harry member parliament will waist not a single minute to question the loyalty of those hard working pakistanis!

dont allow dual nationals to be member parliament fine BUT atleast dont question their loyalty or their right of asking questions!

Two hundred percent agree with you.

 

[hawkeyeblue]

I ask you guys one question, look at the top top leadership of our country (e.g. Zardari, Altaf and Musharraf etc.) and quite a few of them never been dual-national do you think their loyalty intact and and not questioned under the supreme court pretext on the issue?

If loyalty is the concern then dual-nationality is not the issue it is something else. People who are with tarnished loyalty to state of Pakistan does not need to be dual-national and yet can harm Pakistan. I rest my case.

 

[hawkeyeblue]

Comments of Moeed Pirzada


Debate in Supreme Court is sending very confusing signals: Dr. Tahir ul Qadri may be a controversial character working on an agenda of his own megalomania or someone else, but the issues being raised have larger implications: It appears that we are differentiating between "good & bad" on the basis of nationality; are we now arguing that Pakistanis with dual nationalities cannot file Public Interest Petitions? Does that mean that they are not interested in the Public Good and Welfare of Pakistan? If that is so then how do we explain the strong bonds, sentiments and emotions of those countless millions of Pakistani Diasporas who worked day and night to send billions into Pakistan during crises like Earthquake in 2005 or Floods in 2010? what about those who throng western streets and capitals to raise Pakistani voices? Why do we talk of Pakistani lobbies in the US or UK? What about those millions spread from Norway to France to Italy and Sweden? Lawyers, Politicians and Judges need to be careful when they shape arguments with wider implications for the state of Pakistan in the beginning of 21st century.

Will Pakistan be an isolated island in a globalized world of integration and interdependence? In UK one of the most prominent politicians who has always criticized the governments is Lord Nazir Ahmed who holds dual Pakistani citizenship, the new Governor of the Bank of England - an institutions that shapes monetary policy and affects the fate of Britain - is a Canadian who has previously headed the Bank of Canada...Air lines like Emirates have scores of Europeans heading key positions but Emirates has emerged as the leading airline of the European skies, in Pakistan if a government will think of appointing a Britisher or German or Turk or Malaysian as Head of PIA, we will declare this a conspiracy against the national interest...time has arrived where we may need to define issues on their merit; stinking corrupt men have ruled Pakistani institutions without adding any value to Public Interest; PIA is a classic example of that, today people are afraid of taking a flight. We need to define "national interest" and "public welfare" or "public interest" in a new globalized integrated global village; definitions of 19th century laced with biases and prejudices of 15th century will only make us a poor, underdeveloped nation; I will love to fly in PIA headed by a competent, hard working, honest, conscientious "John Smith" from UK or "Abuja Abuja" from Africa or " Ocalan Hazlan" from Turkey instead of a Pakistani who can give us an airline whose planes are considered unsafe while taking off or landing..we need to define our laws in a way that helps us to interpret "public interest" in a broad modern way instead of narrow inward world of primitive backwardness.....looking forward to your views!

 

[Adeel]

If you want to participate in Pakistani elections. You must abandon your other nationalities. Thats my opinion.

What if you go on a war with the same country. Who would you support?

 

[A.Chaudhry]

Dual nationality is a problem and what would you like to say about transferring money to foreign accounts and establishing businesses there?

 

[Respect]

dual nationals should be allowed to vote in Pakistan, they are funding pk economy, majority of zakat comes from there.

there is a huge amount of bloggers in this forum that are dual national, even PTI and Shaukuat Khanum receive money from dual nationals.

our media received 50 million from Obama saab.

U are allowed to vote and I think a member of parliament in UK if you are dual national. Then what is the problem being a dual national living in Pakistan?

I do agree that you should not be allowed to run for elections being a dual national in Pakistan, because of all the problems in Pakistan relating to corruption and money laundaring, the dynamics are different, however I think a lot of people are making too much out of it.

Need to relax a bit, there are more important issues in hand

Like getting rid of status quo mafia parties
Getting out of this so called war in terror, that has crumbled our economy.

 

[aq.inqalabi]

Comments of Moeed Pirzada


Debate in Supreme Court is sending very confusing signals: Dr. Tahir ul Qadri may be a controversial character working on an agenda of his own megalomania or someone else, but the issues being raised have larger implications: It appears that we are differentiating between "good & bad" on the basis of nationality; are we now arguing that Pakistanis with dual nationalities cannot file Public Interest Petitions? Does that mean that they are not interested in the Public Good and Welfare of Pakistan? If that is so then how do we explain the strong bonds, sentiments and emotions of those countless millions of Pakistani Diasporas who worked day and night to send billions into Pakistan during crises like Earthquake in 2005 or Floods in 2010? what about those who throng western streets and capitals to raise Pakistani voices? Why do we talk of Pakistani lobbies in the US or UK? What about those millions spread from Norway to France to Italy and Sweden? Lawyers, Politicians and Judges need to be careful when they shape arguments with wider implications for the state of Pakistan in the beginning of 21st century.

Will Pakistan be an isolated island in a globalized world of integration and interdependence? In UK one of the most prominent politicians who has always criticized the governments is Lord Nazir Ahmed who holds dual Pakistani citizenship, the new Governor of the Bank of England - an institutions that shapes monetary policy and affects the fate of Britain - is a Canadian who has previously headed the Bank of Canada...Air lines like Emirates have scores of Europeans heading key positions but Emirates has emerged as the leading airline of the European skies, in Pakistan if a government will think of appointing a Britisher or German or Turk or Malaysian as Head of PIA, we will declare this a conspiracy against the national interest...time has arrived where we may need to define issues on their merit; stinking corrupt men have ruled Pakistani institutions without adding any value to Public Interest; PIA is a classic example of that, today people are afraid of taking a flight. We need to define "national interest" and "public welfare" or "public interest" in a new globalized integrated global village; definitions of 19th century laced with biases and prejudices of 15th century will only make us a poor, underdeveloped nation; I will love to fly in PIA headed by a competent, hard working, honest, conscientious "John Smith" from UK or "Abuja Abuja" from Africa or " Ocalan Hazlan" from Turkey instead of a Pakistani who can give us an airline whose planes are considered unsafe while taking off or landing..we need to define our laws in a way that helps us to interpret "public interest" in a broad modern way instead of narrow inward world of primitive backwardness.....looking forward to your views!

very balanced analysis! i dont know instead of judging on petition the CJ is implying all the dual nationals as traitors!

 

[actnow]

Is this the reward of endless contributions of Pakistani expats?

If they stop sending their money to Pakistan for only 3 months, everyone would see the importance of their remittances.

 

[hawkeyeblue]

If you want to participate in Pakistani elections. You must abandon your other nationalities. Thats my opinion.

What if you go on a war with the same country. Who would you support?

Dr. Shahid Afridi (OBL fame) was Pakistani and NOT a dual national and he technically fought against Pakistan and I can give many more examples.

 

[hawkeyeblue]

Dual nationality is a problem and what would you like to say about transferring money to foreign accounts and establishing businesses there?

Zardari and Nawaz familes and many many more people (families) with no dual national status have international declared and (more) undeclared assets, this has nothing to do with Dual-National or NOT

 

[LoveIcon]

OP -Let me clarify few things for you. There is hell of difference between dual national politician and common dual national Pakistani. Any Pakistani who is interested to become part of govt. and serve the country is free to give-up other nationality and IF someone is since & honest for this purpose than this shouldn't bother him/her. But the reality is a common dual national like a common Pakistani is busy in his/her professional & domestic life and not interested in going back to Pakistan and contest election. So, I don't think banning dual national from holding public office have any impact on common dual national.

Regarding Forex:
1. Go and check the facts & figures - major of remittances comes from GCC countries (KSA & UAE specially) and those people are not dual national.
2. The Dual National politicians cause Outflow of Forex not Inflow. So, don't disrespect a common Patriotic dual nationals by putting them in same line with corrupt politicians.

 

[aq.inqalabi]

OP -Let me clarify few things for you. There is hell of difference between dual national politician and common dual national Pakistani. Any Pakistani who is interested to become part of govt. and serve the country is free to give-up other nationality and IF someone is since & honest for this purpose than this shouldn't bother him/her. But the reality is a common dual national like a common Pakistani is busy in his/her professional & domestic life and not interested in going back to Pakistan and contest election. So, I don't think banning dual national from holding public office have any impact on common dual national.

Regarding Forex:
1. Go and check the facts & figures - major of remittances comes from GCC countries (KSA & UAE specially) and those people are not dual national.
2. [HI]The Dual National politicians cause Outflow of Forex not Inflow. So, don't disrespect a common Patriotic dual nationals by putting them in same line with corrupt politicians.[/HI]

kindly tell this to CJ who is implying all dual nationals r ******* traitors!

Gulf countries r doing right thing by not giving their nationalities, 1st i used to think they r racists thts why, BUT now i know actually they know us more than us so they dont want us to be called ******* traitors by our own higher courts!

 

[LoveIcon]

kindly tell this to CJ who is implying all dual nationals r ******* traitors!

Gulf countries r doing right thing by not giving their nationalities, 1st i used to think they r racists thts why, BUT now i know actually they know us more than us so they dont want us to be called ******* traitors by our own higher courts!

Cheap Justice is king ba$$tards and most dishonest person and far dangerous for Pakistan as compared to Zardari or Nawaz. People don't realize it.

Not just GCC many countries don't allow dual nationality - even India don't give this option. But if you compare the remittances and investment of Indian dual national with Pakistan's you will be surprised.

 

[aq.inqalabi]

Cheap Justice is king ba$$tards and most dishonest person and far dangerous for Pakistan as compared to Zardari or Nawaz. People don't realize it.

Not just GCC many countries don't allow dual nationality - even India don't give this option. But if you compare the remittances and investment of Indian dual national with Pakistan's you will be surprised.

thts y said in starting tht finish it of totally , y this "aadha tetar aadha batair"