Dual Nationality Pakistanis

[gazoomartian]

Re: Dr Tahit Ul Qadri YOU disappointed me why ?

that letter was good by the wayWhere do you stand on this current headline grabber T Qadri I have serious reservations

Hmmm I like this gentleman very much and lot of respect for him. He is educated, smart, and charismatic.

He successfully created a big hype in a very short period of time and arrived at Lahore 2 days ahead of time. Granted it is justified due to security.

He came and then started acting like boss, telling nation what to do etc. What surprises and concerns me that in such a short period of time he was able to pull such a huge crowd, knowing well that he has not been in the political limelight in Pakistan for quite a while. Then who or what is the source of such a huge crowd. I dont buy for a minute that Minhaj members came on their own from four corners of Pakistan.
Another concern that I have and it is definitely a genuine concern, how did the MQM get invited to the show. Why not the other parties such as ANP, JUI, PML, PTI officials? WHY NOT????? Do you know what I am getting at?
Unless the MQMs AH has lot to do with the rally behind the scene. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that AH must have lot to do with it.
If my assumption is true that AH is a partner in crime, then the partnership must have been going for a while, formulating a plan to suddenly attack the hearts and brains of the masses, 180 million of them. MQM has paid for or at least pick up half of the tab for this gathering and Qadri must have signed an agreement to ensure that Altaf gets what he bargained for in support of Qadri.

Alatf must have emphasize on Farooq Sattar and company attending the rally. Their being there has meant to Altaf since every body is after his hide, or at least he must be seeing it that way anyway.

He described the ills of corruptions, corrupt leaders, and the current situation of the country. I have no doubts on these. But the solutions he has given is ridiculous not because it has no merits but its because time given to reform is too little. He seems to think that he is THE BOSS. Reforms will be carried out as he said or else??? He is not even an elected official.
Now, MQM has a lot to gain by installing their visitors at the rally. Assuming that 10, 15 million people have watched the event live or recorded, MQM was projected as being a so good that Qadri invited them. Also, it will give MQM a far n wide exposure to Pakistans 10, 15 million people.

We all know, and I am sure AH knows it too, that all the current problems that MQM is faced with such as summon to AH for Contempt of Court, delimitations in Karachi etc, are perhaps part of a plan written by none other than Zardari to slowly and systematically oust MQM from national politics. I totally believe that behind the scene ANP, PMLN, PPP, PTI, and others were coaxed into filing the world recognized petition. I refuse to believe that Zardari was not involved in the petition.

This is very clever revenge on Zardari from Ah for what, in the eyes if MQM, Zardari has done to AH. AH has outsmarted Zardari ONCE MORE

 

[UKPakistani]

Re: Dr Tahit Ul Qadri YOU disappointed me why ?

Hmmm I like this gentleman very much and lot of respect for him. He is educated, smart, and charismatic.

He successfully created a big hype in a very short period of time and arrived at Lahore 2 days ahead of time. Granted it is justified due to security.

He came and then started acting like boss, telling nation what to do etc. What surprises and concerns me that in such a short period of time he was able to pull such a huge crowd, knowing well that he has not been in the political limelight in Pakistan for quite a while. Then who or what is the source of such a huge crowd. I don’t buy for a minute that Minhaj members came on their own from four corners of Pakistan.
Another concern that I have and it is definitely a genuine concern, how did the MQM get invited to the show. Why not the other parties such as ANP, JUI, PML, PTI officials? WHY NOT????? Do you know what I am getting at?
Unless the MQM’s AH has lot to do with the rally behind the scene. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that AH must have lot to do with it.
If my assumption is true that AH is a partner in crime, then the partnership must have been going for a while, formulating a plan to suddenly attack the hearts and brains of the masses, 180 million of them. MQM has paid for or at least pick up half of the tab for this gathering and Qadri must have signed an agreement to ensure that Altaf gets what he bargained for in support of Qadri.

Alatf must have emphasize on Farooq Sattar and company attending the rally. Their being there has meant to Altaf since every body is after his hide, or at least he must be seeing it that way anyway.

He described the ills of corruptions, corrupt leaders, and the current situation of the country. I have no doubts on these. But the solutions he has given is ridiculous not because it has no merits but its because time given to reform is too little. He seems to think that he is THE BOSS. Reforms will be carried out as he said or else??? He is not even an elected official.
Now, MQM has a lot to gain by installing their visitors at the rally. Assuming that 10, 15 million people have watched the event live or recorded, MQM was projected as being a so good that Qadri invited them. Also, it will give MQM a far n wide exposure to Pakistan’s 10, 15 million people.

We all know, and I am sure AH knows it too, that all the current problems that MQM is faced with such as summon to AH for Contempt of Court, delimitations in Karachi etc, are perhaps part of a plan written by none other than Zardari to slowly and systematically oust MQM from national politics. I totally believe that behind the scene ANP, PMLN, PPP, PTI, and others were coaxed into filing the world recognized petition. I refuse to believe that Zardari was not involved in the petition.

This is very clever revenge on Zardari from Ah for what, in the eyes if MQM, Zardari has done to AH. AH has outsmarted Zardari ONCE MORE

AH is "using" T Qadri to outsmart AAZ ?

Gazoo yar some will not buy that and consider it far fetched

"Truth is stranger than fiction" comes to mind

but you know my views on "foreign" hands in Pak politics and elsehwere in pak

 

[darkinsky]

Re: Dr Tahir ul Qadri YOU disappointed me why ?

Forget the Canadian Passport your get out of jail card
Forget the Countless millions it must have cost for your Jalsa

IF you have faith in the Almighty and that he decides all things then why did you need
a bullet proof and bomb proof box to say what you had to say

Fear of what and whom ? Worldly powers over the Almighty (Toba)
Are you a coward what do you fear that you need to sit in a box to protect you,
whilst those around you may get blown to bits.
What is this hypocracy,
you are more important to the world than the 1/2 a million who came to support you

I wonder what you think of yourself, and what you think of your minnions and supporters

Sorry but you disappoint me with your (in)security and your fear.
Allah Almighty will decide your fate not you, so whats with the bullet/bomb proof stuff,
were you also wearing a bullet proof jacket under your other garb ?
cowards and kafirs with no faith do that stuff

PS I wonder do you also carry a little hidden gun for self defence ...................

abe mere bhai what have the non canadian passport holders done any good to our country

oo bhai wake up, the winds of change are near, the drums of revenge, for justice has started to shake our pakistan

this is the most important time for our country since 65

dont be deaf dumb and blind and support the guy who has made a loud voice and brought some balls in the house

stop thinking of your pity self interest PTI this PTI that and start supporting the noble cause of throwiing out these scums who are taking turns after turns

our country cant bear another turn of a corrupt government, and imran cant form the government

go out and make your voices loud

start voicing for reforms, this is the only way out of misery for pakistan

clean and honest setup can only create new pakistan

 

[darkinsky]

Re: Dr Tahit Ul Qadri YOU disappointed me why ?

A brave person is called leader not bullet proof
ik is 100% fit as our leader

right but he did take qurashi and javed hashmi and other countless opportunist lotas didnt he?

bhai stop you dreams about the one and only imran khan, all forces of change whether mullah like qadri or brainless like imran needs to unite

it is said that one guy who is blind and another guy who is mute, one becomes the eyes, and another becomes the tongue of other if they work together..

 

[Pracha]

Re: Dr Tahit Ul Qadri YOU disappointed me why ?

right but he did take qurashi and javed hashmi and other countless opportunist lotas didnt he?

bhai stop you dreams about the one and only imran khan, all forces of change whether mullah like qadri or brainless like imran needs to unite

it is said that one guy who is blind and another guy who is mute, one becomes the eyes, and another becomes the tongue of other if they work together..

Com'on bro. Keep your AH with you. We are happy with our "blind/deaf" leader. At least he is honest, sincere, and patriotic. We will become his eyes, ears, and brains. This is called open source solution. Power of collective wisdom.

 

[Pracha]

Sorry, I beg to differ. Elections on time is the only solution. Instead of wasting our time, we have to focus our energies into making sure that these elections are free and fair. I know it's a tall order but unfortunately, there is no other solution. "Care taker" set up suits status quo and establishment. They want to delay these elections as long as possible. They are scared of PTI's popularity and they don't want any changes and do not want to reform current system. They are running out their old tricks. I consider TUQ is another trick of establishment mafia.

(Very True Pracha Bhai. You have raised the very right point. In such a scenario - how can you expect free and fair elections? How can democracy prevail when the underlying people are corrupt. While I have no other to support but IK - if elections happen - but I must say its is not going to be easy for IK and PTI to become the ruling party - We need time and some patriotic caretaker government so that this "Gund Bala" can be cleaned. Then only we can expect desirable results.)

 

[_Hope786]

We should be careful when we talk about why so and so went to a different country. The person who this whole nation celebrates his birthday today. Wasn't he a gora? He spent his life as an Englishman, he joined the congress and later resigned and went to live in England until he returned and to lead the Pakistan movement. He did the Lahore resolution on 23 March. He married a woman convert 24 years younger then him. Imagine what these status quo parties filth would do to Quaid-e-Azam if he was alive today. Let's stop the hypocrisy and wake up.

Hello , Can you just shut up of dragging Quad I Azam in your shitts, Who the hell told you he was a GORA, don't you know at that time whole India was under the British Raj and what u said about his returning from England, he was sick when he left for England as advised by hid doctor but always involved in India's politics and came back when he was well, don't ever try to compare your so called dual national peer with Quad i Azam. :angry_smile:
You blind followers don't have your own brain to think and you never try to read anything in the world except your peers book. Today your peer is saying he will not take part in elections and you are just repeating his tongue, if tomorrow he says we are going into elections you will again follow blindly without asking him the reason.....

 

[Moosa_ibn_Ali]

There is nothing wrong with holding dual nationality, its what the person has to deliver that matters, Dr Qadri is the MOST qualified muslim in the world, he has published over 1000 books anf given 8000

Ultimatley it is dr saab who will save pakistan

if qadri save pakistan...then where is my ALLAH ?
..
es -qadri- ko to nabi pak saw ne basharat dee hoee hay 63 years ki....phir ye bult proof sheshay kiyoon lagwata hay ?
es ka koee andha maqlad btaye gha mujay...

 

[Pure_pakistani]

imran imran aur sirf imran,vote to imran he ka hai chahay koi jo mrzi kahay us k baray mei and thats all

 

[Takmeel e Pakistan]

ڈاکٹر طاہرالقادری کی دوہری شہریت کا ڈھنڈ&#1608

ڈاکٹر طاہرالقادری کی دوہری شہریت کا ڈھنڈورا پیٹنے والوں کی حقیقت

 

[Babatank]

Arnold Schwarzenegger who was Governor of California is a dual national with American and Austrian citizenship whilst in power and after. Now where's your myth?

How you dare to compare good with bad? Qadri is under fire and sooner or later he will run and now guess where? Arnold has dual-ID, but he served the state of California and is still there. The state of Cali gave him a lot so he paid it back. This man Dr. Qadri is exposed! He is a person of double standard. In the West he says this and that and at home he always defended the inhuman law - the blasphemy law

Dr. Qadri, famous for his opportunistic style for garnering religious followers, has been appearing in the media trying to play nice with the West. Recently, for example, he surprised many by conforming to the same Jihad definition that the members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (Dr. Qadri's cheif targets of hate) have been promoting for over one hundred years and Dr. Qadri's blatant use of Ahmadiyya perspective on Jihad made the news in the Urdu media in North America.

Having done wonder's in the 'service of Islam,' such as indoctrination of his followers, especially the youth, into extremism, establishment and strengthening of Pakistan's notorious Blasphemy laws, intensification of Pakistan's infamous Haad laws, Dr. Qadri now tells the West - with a straight face - he is against terrorism.

He recently won sympathies from the naive westerners for having issued an ‘anti-terrorism fatwa.’ None from the progressive media bothered to ask the 'good doctor' to at least denounce the extremism of his own past.

This doctor can't be taken seriously at my end.

 

[Ahmed365]

Don't mix the topic. You said if anywhere else in the world politicians have dual nationality I proved you wrong. Schwarzegger was and is Austrian national as well. Your verdict against Qadri means nothing they are just mere allegations. He large portion of Pakistani population support him which was evident at his jalsa. Everywhere he goes Pakistani come to listen to him in huge numbers more then any other politician in Pakistan because he is the face of true Islam and Pakistan.

 

[Respect]

In present times I do not think it matters whether u are dual national, it all depends if you are a good human being, and what you are saying. In this criteria I do think that Dr Tahir Ul Qadri is a good person. We need to understand the message behind what he is saying not whether he has a canadian passport or not.

There seem to be some PTI brothers or sisters upset with Tahir Ul Qadri, mainly due to his historical jalsa, but we have to be honest and analyse what is going on before jumping into conclusions.
Shiekh saab message is simple, this corrupt rigging bank corrupt voting system needs to change otherwise the same faces will come again and again. The voting system should have been changed when CJ declared 45% bogus votes and threw them out. However for some amazing bank corrupt reason the election system is the same. Now Dr Tahir Ul Qadri as far as I am aware is not running for elections, just pushing to change the system. Which in fact is one the basic criteria for any Democracy, free and fair elections. If Dr saab has any ulterior motives I do not know but for now he is right.

I am slightly concerned what is going to happen with PTI in this whole scenerio? overall for now as long as Dr saab does not put himself up for elections, this pressure could benefit PTI, however if this movement of Dr Tahir Ul Qadri goes a further peg or two and takes down government than brother's and sister's we cud be seeing a new leader by the name of Dr Tahir Ul Qadri.

 

[love4all]

 

[love4all]

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[love4all]

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[Pracha]

In present times I do not think it matters whether u are dual national, it all depends if you are a good human being, and what you are saying. In this criteria I do think that Dr Tahir Ul Qadri is a good person. We need to understand the message behind what he is saying not whether he has a canadian passport or not.

There seem to be some PTI brothers or sisters upset with Tahir Ul Qadri, mainly due to his historical jalsa, but we have to be honest and analyse what is going on before jumping into conclusions.
Shiekh saab message is simple, this corrupt rigging bank corrupt voting system needs to change otherwise the same faces will come again and again. The voting system should have been changed when CJ declared 45% bogus votes and threw them out. However for some amazing bank corrupt reason the election system is the same. Now Dr Tahir Ul Qadri as far as I am aware is not running for elections, just pushing to change the system. Which in fact is one the basic criteria for any Democracy, free and fair elections. If Dr saab has any ulterior motives I do not know but for now he is right.

I am slightly concerned what is going to happen with PTI in this whole scenerio? overall for now as long as Dr saab does not put himself up for elections, this pressure could benefit PTI, however if this movement of Dr Tahir Ul Qadri goes a further peg or two and takes down government than brother's and sister's we cud be seeing a new leader by the name of Dr Tahir Ul Qadri.

Here is why dual nationality matters,

1. They do not have their skin in the game (always have the back door open to safe havens)
2. Their adopted country can potentially influence over their policies. Take the example of nawaz family and S. Arabia.
3. They can use their influnce in government to hide their wealth in their adopted countries as already happening in pakistan.
4. Adopted country may have more information about you that they can use to blackmail you.
5. Your policies may affect your wealth status. For example, if your currency goes down against the dollar that it not good for the country, but good for you (as already happening now)

Besides, a country leader is like captain of the ship. If ship is struck with disaster, then captain should be the last person leaving that ship. With dual nationals, it can be opposite. When country start to sink, they will be first one to run away to their adopted country.

 

[Ahmed365]

Here is why dual nationality matters,

1. They do not have their skin in the game (always have the back door open to safe havens)
2. Their adopted country can potentially influence over their policies. Take the example of nawaz family and S. Arabia.
3. They can use their influnce in government to hide their wealth in their adopted countries as already happening in pakistan.
4. Adopted country may have more information about you that they can use to blackmail you.
5. Your policies may affect your wealth status. For example, if your currency goes down against the dollar that it not good for the country, but good for you (as already happening now)

Besides, a country leader is like captain of the ship. If ship is struck with disaster, then captain should be the last person leaving that ship. With dual nationals, it can be opposite. When country start to sink, they will be first one to run away to their adopted country.

That is on the condition where someone presents themselves for public office which Qadri is not. He is just demanding reforms in the interests of Pakistan as a Pakistani citizen albeit he lived overseas. If he was to take public office he can be demanded of to adopt single nationality only, but he is not demanding this at present moment in time. If we apply full constitution and state institutions operate as their fully required constitutional role then nobody can get away with such things. Right now judiciary is not doing its role fully as per constitution as it is being very selective in which cases to hear.

 

[Pracha]

That is on the condition where someone presents themselves for public office which Qadri is not. He is just demanding reforms in the interests of Pakistan as a Pakistani citizen albeit he lived overseas. If he was to take public office he can be demanded of to adopt single nationality only, but he is not demanding this at present moment in time. If we apply full constitution and state institutions operate as their fully required constitutional role then nobody can get away with such things. Right now judiciary is not doing its role fully as per constitution as it is being very selective in which cases to hear.

We will just arguing back and forth without reaching a conclusion. Just answer these questions for me.

1. Why out of the blue he showed up when we have ~ 6months left in elections.
2. Why he did not try to mobilise public in past 5 yrs when this ruling class was plundering this country as if there is no tomorrow.
3. If the concern is that the same mafia will come back after elections, then why not give a chance and see who forms the government after the elections. You can mobilise the public if the same mafia get elected again.
4. Who is going to decide about the interim set up (We have heard of this patriotic rhetoric before that starts with "meray aziz hum watnon").

By the way, judiciary is only one institution. If they will not get the support from the government or the army then they cannot do anything by themselves. Who is going to implement the constitution?? We don't even have the true opposition who could force the hand of the government.

 

[Ahmed365]

We will just arguing back and forth without reaching a conclusion. Just answer these questions for me.

1. Why out of the blue he showed up when we have ~ 6months left in elections.
2. Why he did not try to mobilise public in past 5 yrs when this ruling class was plundering this country as if there is no tomorrow.
3. If the concern is that the same mafia will come back after elections, then why not give a chance and see who forms the government after the elections. You can mobilise the public if the same mafia get elected again.
4. Who is going to decide about the interim set up (We have heard of this patriotic rhetoric before that starts with "meray aziz hum watnon").

By the way, judiciary is only one institution. If they will not get the support from the government or the army then they cannot do anything by themselves. Who is going to implement the constitution?? We don't even have the true opposition who could force the hand of the government.

1. You can ask him I think it was a clever move by Qadri look at how people came to him as he arrived, people lost hope in PTI perhaps? 2. So status quo parties cannot say they they weren't given a full term chance, awaam has learnt their lesson. 3. Because fresh elections means new mandate especially after it will be claimed "free and fair" you have to then accept another 5 years of torture. 4. Qadri didn't say anything in his jalsa about forming an interim setup he said he wants free & fair elections as a result of the reforms...the parliament is free to start work on this.