Dr ZA Bhutta of AKU relocates AFTER reaping the harvest, getting grants/awards in the name of Pakist

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
Dr ZA Bhutta relocates AFTER reaping the harvest, getting grants/awards in the name of Pakistan!!

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By:
Jennifer Yang Global health reporter, Published on Sun Jun 23 2013
(Excerpts)

...... Thirty-five years later, that stubborn determination remains a defining feature of Bhuttas career as he takes up his new role as co-director and research head of the Global Child Health centre at Torontos Hospital for Sick Children.

......Now, the seemingly inexhaustible 58-year-old is adding another bullet point to that bulky CV with his job at SickKids. Although Bhutta will maintain a joint position at Aga Khan University, he is shifting his home base to Toronto.

......Bhutta was born in Peshawar ...... went on to study in England after all. He also obtained his PhD from Swedens Karolinska Institute, one of Europes most prestigious medical universities.......

Both Horton and Zlotkin insist that Bhutta could have landed a job anywhere he wanted so why Sick Kids?

It probably helped that Bhutta already has roots here. His brother and 29-year-old son both live in Toronto and another son lives in Boston. (His wife and daughter remain in Pakistan for now but will eventually join him in Toronto.)

But mostly, Bhutta is someone determined to make an impact and he sees SickKids as a perfect springboard for doing that. He considers his move to Toronto a kind of grand finale, in a place where he can build upon his work in Pakistan, foster more global connections and multiply resources, opportunities and collaborations.

But Bhutta was also impressed by the passionate young researchers he met during a sabbatical at SickKids in 2011. He sees much promise in the young people around him, and most collaborators on his last two major projects were scientists under 25, he said. Even if half of them stay in global health, thats your cohort of scientists for the next 10 to 20 years, he noted.

That to me is a much greater contribution than anything else, he said. Im, at the end of the day, an academic professor.

A lot of things you do in your life is passing the baton on to young people.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/06/23/newborn_medicine_trailblazer_to_work_at_sickkids.html
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
well good for him, MULK kae halaat toe dekhoe, orr life aik hee duffa miltee hae make it or break it for yourself and entire family, he did what he had to do and looks quite happy in photo above, bhai mulk kae leeae aik hud thuk insaan sonchta hae, nobody is an angle, all are humans right pakistani or not
 

Saeed1

Banned
Give respect where respect is due. This is just inspiration for young kids. Great achievements. I wish him more success in the near future.
 

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
I guess, no one is contesting his CV. And, personally, I don’t care wherever he lives or works and rather wish him well.

And it would 've been a non-issue as such had he been a fresh graduate or a junior doctor. But, remember he’s no ordinary Pakistani and his decision to abandon Pakistan and relocate as he approaches his retirement age do raise serious questions, e.g.:

(1.) Did he also receive a ‘parchi’ in Karachi that made him run for his life?
(2.) Or did he take this decision out of sheer opportunism and expediency? That is, why wouldn’t he build a cohort of young scientists in AKU and Pakistan, now that he has gained that experience and expertise in/from Pakistan, but is rather keen to build overseas? And if he were unhappy or uncomfortable with the Pakistani system, then no one could have influenced it for the better from the inside, considering his clout in/out of the country, or conversely why didn’t he relocate in the early 1980s when in fact no one knew him even in Pakistan and it was his consultancy work on USAID/UNICEF projects in the mid-late 1980s in Pakistan that introduced him to the donor/international community? Were/are the people of Pakistan just guinea pigs for his research and the numerous research grants he received in their name, or did he just lack a long-term commitment to assure policy and systemic changes at home?
(3.) Will he return the Tamgha-e-Imtiaz and other high civilian awards that the GoP has bestowed on him? Does the GoP need to look into the long-term commitments of recipients of its highest civil awards to the Pakistani society? Prima-facie, his relocation is an insult to the GoP Awards he received!!
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I guess, no one is contesting his CV. And, personally, I don’t care wherever he lives or works and rather wish him well.

And it would 've been a non-issue as such had he been a fresh graduate or a junior doctor. But, remember he’s no ordinary Pakistani and his decision to abandon Pakistan and relocate as he approaches his retirement age do raise serious questions, e.g.:

(1.) Did he also receive a ‘parchi’ in Karachi that made him run for his life?
(2.) Or did he take this decision out of sheer opportunism and expediency? That is, why wouldn’t he build a cohort of young scientists in AKU and Pakistan, now that he has gained that experience and expertise in/from Pakistan, but is rather keen to build overseas? And if he were unhappy or uncomfortable with the Pakistani system, then no one could have influenced it for the better from the inside, considering his clout in/out of the country, or conversely why didn’t he relocate in the early 1980s when in fact no one knew him even in Pakistan and it was his consultancy work on USAID/UNICEF projects in the mid-late 1980s in Pakistan that introduced him to the donor/international community? Were/are the people of Pakistan just guinea pigs for his research and the numerous research grants he received in their name, or did he just lack a long-term commitment to assure policy and systemic changes at home?
(3.) Will he return the Tamgha-e-Imtiaz and other high civilian awards that the GoP has bestowed on him? Does the GoP need to look into the long-term commitments of recipients of its highest civil awards to the Pakistani society? Prima-facie, his relocation is an insult to the GoP Awards he received!!

I can understand, seems like you are jealous of him, this is v common story of subcontinent human since my dada jaans walaayeetee days, no surprise, wish him well, alltallah writes destiny and rizq, when time comes humans migrate/hijrutt, pureeee kee pureee allahtallah kee zumeen hae, busss suchae musalman kee turhaa zindagee busr kurroe, baquee life is so short, one never knows when time comes regardless pakistani, muslaman, highly qualified, petty stuff happens all the time, v common story. I understand patriotism, but you or anybody should take over his position in pakistan and repeat the same story like him, good luck
 
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Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
I can understand, seems like you are jealous of him, this is v common story of subcontinent human since my dada jaans walaayeetee days, no surprise, wish him well, alltallah writes destiny and rizq, when time comes humans migrate/hijrutt, pureeee kee pureee allahtallah kee zumeen hae, busss suchae musalman kee turhaa zindagee busr kurroe, baquee life is so short, one never knows when time comes regardless pakistani, muslaman, highly qualified, petty stuff happens all the time, v common story. I understand patriotism, but you or anybody should take over his position in pakistan and repeat the same story like him, good luck

What a pathetic and shameful reply in judging me when you don't even know me, instead of addressing the questions in my post (which are for this gentleman Dr. Bhutta to answer himself to the Pakistani people)!!

And I could also pass some fascinating judgements on your defence of opportunism, hedonism, expediency, unethical conduct and idolatory but your incoherent rant doesn't merit any further.... For future, better read the posts carefully, before you speak/write! Now Off you go!!
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

What a pathetic and shameful reply in judging me when you don't even know me, instead of addressing the questions in my post (which are for this gentleman Dr. Bhutta to answer himself to the Pakistani people)!!

And I could also pass some fascinating judgements on your defence of opportunism, hedonism, expediency, unethical conduct and idolatory but your incoherent rant doesn't merit any further.... For future, better read the posts carefully, before you speak/write! Now Off you go!!

yes I dont know you,but ITS NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS but why this post,(thumbsdown) useless post judging a guys career, he did not break any human or islamic code, buzz off, delete this post, nobody needs to know, you are free to maneuver your career to any country of your choice whats wrong with that, get out of this stubborn unprofessional, jealous mind set and understand, if not, then dont reply, as I am now convinced of your bad intentions in posting on a public forum about this guy.
Bani Adam!!!!!!!!!!!!

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auqab

Minister (2k+ posts)
bullllllll shiiiiiiiiiiiiit heading by thread starter!

this guy is one of the best child specialist in Pakistan or may be in the south asia region! as it is clearly written in news that he still holds a position in AKU that means he will be coming and going frequently!

i hv personally met him some 20 yrs back, my younger bro was treated by him, a very nice and humble man, and by the grace of Allah he has shifa in his hands!

i request the moderators to plzzzz wake up and change this bullllllllll shiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttt heading by typical jealous person (thread starter)!

thread starter get a life!
 

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
yes I dont know you,but ITS NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS but why this post,(thumbsdown) useless post judging a guys career, he did not break any human or islamic code, buzz off, delete this post, nobody needs to know, you are free to maneuver your career to any country of your choice whats wrong with that, get out of this stubborn unprofessional, jealous mind set and understand, if not, then dont reply, as I am now convinced of your bad intentions in posting on a public forum about this guy.


You seem to be getting very itchy; well, better get out of your opportunistic cocoon of denial. Attacking me or judging me is neither the answer nor the way to engage in an online discourse .... but folks like you prefer to shoot the messenger instead of reflecting on the message!!!

Better be bold and honest to accept that the person is a recipient of one of the highest civilian awards of Pakistan but has the audacity to abandon the country opportunistically and unethically. And to add insult to injury, he even has more audacity to say in his interview that he wanted to “pass on the baton to the young people” in Toronto – not in Pakistan!! Well, his priorities and loyalties are very clear -- money makes the mare go!?

Had he moved out in search of a better career abroad at an early age, no big deal -- but he’s moved out at a time when he needed to give back to the society and to the country which had nurtured and rewarded him all through his life. It’s like Dr. Ata-ur-Rahman, Dr. Samar Mubarakmand or Dr. A.Q.Khan choosing to get a job in London/Toronto after retirement and relocate there. Countries are doomed when the so-called illuminaries become opportunists instead of role models for the next generation.... and 'geniuses' like you defend them....

Got it? If you still don’t get it then better keep your trap shut now because no one wants to know about your self-serving hedonism any more.
 

auqab

Minister (2k+ posts)


You seem to be getting very itchy; well, better get out of your opportunistic cocoon of denial. Attacking me or judging me is neither the answer nor the way to engage in an online discourse .... but folks like you prefer to shoot the messenger instead of reflecting on the message!!!

Better be bold and honest to accept that the person is a recipient of one of the highest civilian awards of Pakistan but has the audacity to abandon the country opportunistically and unethically. And to add insult to injury, he even has more audacity to say in his interview that he wanted to “pass on the baton to the young people” in Toronto – not in Pakistan!! Well, his priorities and loyalties are very clear -- money makes the mare go!?

Had he moved out in search of a better career abroad at an early age, no big deal -- but he’s moved out at a time when he needed to give back to the society and to the country which had nurtured and rewarded him all through his life. It’s like
Dr. Ata-ur-Rahman, Dr. Samar Mubarakmand or Dr. A.Q.Khan choosing to get a job in London/Toronto after retirement and relocate there. Countries are doomed when the so-called illuminaries become opportunists instead of role models for the next generation.... and 'geniuses' like you defend them....

Got it? If you still don’t get it then better keep your trap shut now because no one wants to know about your self-serving hedonism any more.

Dr AQ Khan kae sath jo is zaleel qaum nae kia hae issae to behter tha wo chalae hi jatae! after all read his latest interviews in past 1 or 2 years where he have said number of times that now I regret I should not have come back to Pakistan!

Dr. Ataur Rehman was humiliated by bull shiiiiiiiiiit fake water car clown on TV! more than that Dr.Ata was the founder of HEC and see how fuckingggggggg political govt throw him out of HEC!

Dr.Samar was crying out loud give me money for coal power development in thar and see what govt responded! and we all know why Dr.Samar is still in services after all he was put forward by state in 1999 after the nuclear blast to nullify Dr.AQ Khan. Dont want to go into that details!

this nation has the habit of getting jealous and humiliating the respected educated personalities !

fact of the matter who ever educated person gets the chance abroad should go for self respect!
 
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abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Dr AQ Khan kae sath jo is zaleel qaum nae kia hae issae to behter tha wo chalae hi jatae! after all read his latest interviews in past 1 or 2 years where he have said number of times that now I regret I should not have come back to Pakistan!

Dr. Ataur Rehman was humiliated by bull shiiiiiiiiiit fake water car clown on TV! more than that Dr.Ata was the founder of HEC and see how fuckingggggggg political govt throw him out of HEC!

Dr.Samar was crying out loud give me money for coal power development in thar and see what govt responded! and we all know why Dr.Samar is still in services after all he was put forward by state in 1999 after the nuclear blast to nullify Dr.AQ Khan. Dont want to go into that details!

this nation has the habit of getting jealous and humiliating the respected educated personalities !

fact of the matter who ever educated person gets the chance abroad should go for self respect!

BAICHARA YAE DR BHUTTA TOE WAPISS AAAYAA AFTER 10 YEARS OF SPECIALIZATION in UK AND SWEDEN, ubb chulaa gaya toe BANI ADAM GUY KOE KEEYA PROBLEM ORR TENSION HAE, look below his qualifications , so he brought back his expertise back to pakistan and stayed quite a while in Pakistan, still faculty at AKU, yaar yae BAANIADAMs thread makes no sense to me, whats his logic to push this thread on this public forum, strange!

Fellowship, Royal College of Paediatrics & Child Health, UK,
1997
PhD, Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden, 1996
Fellowship, Royal College of Physicians, Edinburgh, 1990
FCPS Paediatrics, College of Physicians & Surgeons, Karachi, Pakistan, 1987
Diploma in Child Health, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons, London, 1980
MBBS, Khyber Medical College, Universityof Peshawar, Pakistan, 1977

Fellow (Neonatal Paediatrics), Department of Child Health, Bristol Maternity Hospital, Jan 1982 - July 1983
Registrar (General Paediatrics & Neonatology), Hillingdon Hospital, London, April 1981 - Dec 1981
Senior House Officer (Neonatal Paediatrics), Department of Neonatal Paediatrics, Southmead Hospital, Bristol, Nov 1980 - April 1981
 
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Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
...... fact of the matter who ever educated person gets the chance abroad should go for self respect!

Pity your defeatist, escapist, opportunist approach....

At least, these three folks haven't so far obtained a foreign citizenship and abandoned Pakistan. But if someone wants to then I guess morally and ethically they should surrender the top civil/military awards/honours that were conferred on them before pledging loyalties abroad.

Remember, systemic changes don't happen overnight and uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

Pity your defeatist, escapist, opportunist approach....

At least, these three folks haven't so far obtained a foreign citizenship and abandoned Pakistan. But if someone wants to then I guess morally and ethically they should surrender the top civil/military awards/honours that were conferred on them before pledging loyalties abroad.

Remember, systemic changes don't happen overnight and uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.

oooyae!!!!!!! ungrazee kae professor bund kurr yae bukwaas, forunn mental checkup kurraaa
 

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
Fact-Check re post #12: the gentleman was away from Pakistan for WORK for only 6 years (1981-83 UK, 1983-86 KSA) during his 35 years career (1977-2013).... did specialization exams whilst working/posted in Pakistan and so were a couple of other short sojourns.... so it's unfair to deny the contributions of Pakistani system/people/patients to the advance of his career and his ethical responsibility to "return" to the people/country....
 

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
oooyae!!!!!!! ungrazee kae professor bund kurr yae bukwaas, forunn mental checkup kurraaa

I told you to refrain from abuse, talk on merits, and think before talking.... but you're now only confirming your own madness that sees others as mad too.

Well, a dog's tail can never be straightened. Keep your head in the sand... it's good for you!
 

abdlsy

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)

I told you to refrain from abuse, talk on merits, and think before talking.... but you're now only confirming your own madness that sees others as mad too.

Well, a dog's tail can never be straightened. Keep your head in the sand... it's good for you!

wrong is wrong, you are plain jealous of DR Bhatta and thats a fact jack, period, end of story, bye
 

auqab

Minister (2k+ posts)

Pity your defeatist, escapist, opportunist approach....

At least, these three folks haven't so far obtained a foreign citizenship and abandoned Pakistan. But if someone wants to then I guess morally and ethically they should surrender the top civil/military awards/honours that were conferred on them before pledging loyalties abroad.

Remember, systemic changes don't happen overnight and uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.


carry on with ur utter non-sense and jealousy! fact will remain fact! jealous ppl like u hv no life!
 

awan4ever

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Fact-Check re post #12: the gentleman was away from Pakistan for WORK for only 6 years (1981-83 UK, 1983-86 KSA) during his 35 years career (1977-2013).... did specialization exams whilst working/posted in Pakistan and so were a couple of other short sojourns.... so it's unfair to deny the contributions of Pakistani system/people/patients to the advance of his career and his ethical responsibility to "return" to the people/country....

He has spent 35 years in Pakistan when he could have easily stayed abroad after completing his studies in UK & Sweden. But he didnt. He came back and served in Pakistan.
If he is leaving now then I for one wont associate any financial reasons behind his relocation. He has probably earned a hefty amount already.

your first point about 'parchi' sounds reasonable. Either he has got one or fears that he might and maybe his children abroad have forced him to relocate for his own safety. I doubt he is leaving Pakistan after 35 years for making money or enjoying life abroad.
 

Bani Adam

Senator (1k+ posts)
carry on with ur utter non-sense and jealousy! fact will remain fact! jealous ppl like u hv no life!

Grow up dude...

Get out of this typical "ghulam" mindset of passing judgements on any one whose views are different from yours, but not taking cognizance and ownership of the problem. Learn some etiquettes of online discourse. If you can't talk on the merits of the issue, then better keep shut!
 

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