Dont Let Mazari spoli PTI-JI allaince spoil again

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siasitabdeeli

Councller (250+ posts)
@zhohaq

tumhari Shaytaani Jamaat is qabil bhi nahi hai kay usay aik bhi ministry dee jaey. Dr. Shireen Mazari hamari leader hain aur hamaray liye bari behan jaisi hain. Next time un kay baarey mein apna gutter jaisa jamati mu kholnay say pehlay das dafa soch lena warna hum Insafians tumhari Jamaat ki asliyat is forum par khol dein gay. First and Last warning to you Mr. Jamaati.
 

cokee

Minister (2k+ posts)
Eik doo ministries sey koi farak nai parta ! Waisey b yeh election disputed hoo gaye hain and this govt will not b able to complete its term . PTI k sath bahut dhandli hui hai all over pakistan atleast 25 sey 35 seats par massive rigging hui hai .jahan jahan jis ka hath parta thaa us ney rigging ki hai . Ch nisar 4 4 dafa recounting karwaa k jeet sakta but hamid khan ko abhi tak eik b recounting nai mili . Abhi tak tu sirf cities ki rigging kaa pata chala hai rural areas mein massive massive rigging hui hai . Itni bogus voting hui hai one cannot imagine ppp ney sindh mein n league ney punjab mein mqm ney karachi mein but salute to pathans unhon ney kpk mein itney vote diye aur apney votes ki rakhwali b ki .
 

cokee

Minister (2k+ posts)
Waisey b kpk ka total different culture hai cause areas r kind of tribal so JI can better manage education .
 
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zhohaq

Minister (2k+ posts)
@zhohaq

tumhari Shaytaani Jamaat is qabil bhi nahi hai kay usay aik bhi ministry dee jaey. Dr. Shireen Mazari hamari leader hain aur hamaray liye bari behan jaisi hain. Next time un kay baarey mein apna gutter jaisa jamati mu kholnay say pehlay das dafa soch lena warna hum Insafians tumhari Jamaat ki asliyat is forum par khol dein gay. First and Last warning to you Mr. Jamaati.



Your "Bari Behan" dumped PTI few months ago when it was looking weak.
She made false accusations and tried her level best to pull the rug from other it. Also lied to this end.
More so she resigned simply out of arrogance nothing else.
Now back,She has managed to make of mess of PTI media relation giving Dunya news the exclusive agasint IK direct orders.Do you have any idea how many journalist got pissed off.
She and that troll of her daughter a long smear campaign against Fauzai Kasuri. Someone who is 1000 times better than this sabotager.

Do read her hilarious resignation letter. When PTI is on an upswing guess what sheeess back.
wow color me shocked. Did not see that coming.

Bad behavior should not be rewarded. She is a liability and I will point that out
PTI is not her cult. If anything its Ik cult lol

And watch your tone buddy.Dont try to be a tough guy on the internet.
Your empty threats just reveal the depths of your idiocy.

http://imaanmazari.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/shireen-mazaris-resignation-letter/

Shireen Mazari’s Resignation Letter

26SEPImran Khan, Esq
Chairman PTI,
Islamabad 25[SUP]th[/SUP] September 2012



Dear Imran,

It is with great sadness and disappointment that I am writing to let you know I have been compelled to leave PTI. As you know, when you came to see me at the time you had just formed PTI, I had made a commitment to you that I would join PTI only whenever [HI]I was able to join direct politics, especially electoral politics[/HI]. I totally agreed with your vision for change, especially in the context of foreign policy which has always been a central focus of mine for over 40 years. So it was with absolutely no hesitation that I came to see you in 2008 after the elections PTI boycotted. I joined PTI with no bargaining for any position. All I sought was an assurance that the same ideals, again especially in terms of change and foreign policy, still prevailed.

I worked for the Party and tried to help any way I could – be it with Omar Cheema in the media or with the administration of the Islamabad office as well as formulating an alternate viable foreign policy narrative for the Party. The most encouraging and vital aspect of PTI at the time was the driving sense everyone had that we were going to be the harbingers of change not only in terms of nationalist policies for Pakistan but also in a new egalitarian non-elitist political culture. In fact this egalitarianism prevailed throughout the party beginning with yourself, which allowed for a truly democratic interaction in the Party.

In addition, your appeal of change was your own style of politics where you reached out directly to the masses of the electorate. It may have taken a long time but the Lahore 2011 jalsa was the game changer for Pakistan’s electoral politics. Unfortunately after the Lahore Oct 2011 jalsa, after which you, like ZA Bhutto, could have built up your party’s existing leadership including the large group of middle class and professional followers you had into potential “electables” who would directly interact with the people, [HI]you chose to open the floodgates for old traditional “electables”. [/HI]

So, after trying to accept the new PTI realities for some time, I feel in all honesty I cannot go along with this post-Lahore PTI for the following reasons:





  1. This shift in moving from directly reaching out to the electorate to using intermediaries – the so-called “electables” – between the people and yourself has gradually turned the PTI into a traditional political party with all the excess baggage that that connotes. No doubt some of these “electables” are indeed financially clean, but to effectively hand them control of the Party was unwarranted. After all if they were so skilled and committed to principles then why were they unable to formulate policies to improve the country? Most had been Party hopping and had occupied public offices for substantive time periods yet they represented no stream of change or an alternative narrative to the status quo. [HI]The energy policy of PTI reflects this status quo mindset as does the economic policy which is effectively purely a fiscal policy set to please the IMF![/HI] A whole critique can be made of the economic policy but the main point is that it has [HI]no relief for the common man, including a total absence of any reduction in utility rates.[/HI] It is strange that while you have been critiquing GST and indirect taxation consistently and correctly, the PTI economic policy has done a total reversal on this position – reflective of the policy shifts being made in PTI.
  2. A new culture of money has sprung up with big money taking over Party programmes.[HI] The plane and helicopter dependency is one reflection of this[/HI] but so are other disturbing happenings like the donation of Rs 50 lakhs by one individual to some ISF leaders directly – ostensibly for aiding the membership drive – instead of it going via the Party account.
  3. The membership drive itself through membership booklets has some serious questions hanging over it and I did try to raise these in the PSC meeting on the issue but to no avail. I still maintain that by selling the booklets we allowed the rich members to purchase huge amounts of the booklets and then make their members with no check on whether these books were being filled simply to build up local support for the intra party elections at Union and District levels or whether the members being enlisted were genuinely believers and supporters of PTI![HI] Also rumours abound about motorbikes and other gifts being given by the big money players to people who managed to make a certain number of members.[/HI] In other words, the intra-Party elections are not going to be held on a level playing field by any yardstick![HI]
  4. The reality is that today PTI has been effectively taken over by traditional politicians reflecting big money and/or feudal “sardars”. [/HI]As if that is not disappointing enough, retired civil and military bureaucrats have also found senior niches in the Party. Tragically none of these new entrants can bring about the change which PTI had been promising.
  5. To make matters worse, our think tanks which contain some of the most senior technocrats have been totally ignored in policy making despite some very competent people being present there like Mr Pervez Butt who headed our PAEC for many years. All these competent people have been either totally ignored or treated with utter disdain by the big money players.[HI]
  6. As for the incident in Rajanpur, I maintain my position that you could have driven the one hour distance from DG Khan to Rajanpur and I had offered Mr Tareen for your group to stay overnight at my village if you could not make it to Mr Tareen’s farm in Lodhran. The next day you had to go to Sindh and my village was much closer and Mr Tareen has an airstrip next door in Jamaldinwali so his plane could have come to pick your party up.[/HI] That I made the critical speech before our people in Rajanpur was necessary as I felt their pain – since they had waited from 11 am right uptil 4 45 pm! Many were flood affectees and to simply suggest that they should be reassembled from across the district the next day was not possible.
  7. Sadly, instead of resolving the issue amicably, your social media and their “trolls” chose to use filthy abuses against my daughter which compelled her to leave the party; and you chose to adopt a vengeful posture by serving me with a show cause notice and then sending a message that I should make a public apology and retract my statement. Since I maintain I did nothing wrong and since there was nothing incorrect in my statement about the takeover of the Party, I will not dignify the show cause notice with a response – especially since the points cited in it also happen to be factually incorrect.
  8. I have never doubted your integrity or commitment but unfortunately you are being overwhelmed by those who have never had an ideology in all the years they were in politics or the bureaucracy. It is not enough to simply have faith in you because a Party is defined by more than one man – it is defined by its collective leadership.
  9. I hope that we are not reduced to abuse and name calling on the social media again as it will not do anyone any good. I do not want to reduce myself to personal attacks and we refrained from such filth even when my daughter was being subjected to filthy abuse. But there are limits to everyone’s patience.
  10. If PTI really does choose to revert to directly relating to the masses, its original character and ideology of change and justice, I will be there to serve the Party in any way I can. For me coming into electoral politics through PTI was simply to affect national agendas in a way that qualitatively changes Pakistan for the better. Sadly, the commitment to change, that made us all in PTI develop a comradeship and bond that was unique, is withering away fast in all but name. So it is with a heavy heart that I leave PTI knowing that the only change PTI has brought has been in yourself and the nature of the collective leadership.


Shireen M Mazari

Here was my reply at the time:


Addressed to Dr Shireen Mazari,

Very disappointed, disheartened and saddened.
Well Blood is thicker then water.
Given Imaan serious differences,this was an eventuality I guess.

The letter is frankly a let-down. I was expecting a more substantive Ja’ccuse from Dr Mazari.
Its both relieving as a PTI supporter, but ultimately disappointing, as I had a very high regard for you.
In my opinion in the light of these grievances the resignation was an extreme step.

1.” I had made a commitment to you that I would join PTI only whenever I was able to join direct politics, especially electoral politics…….All I sought was an assurance that the same ideals, again especially in terms of change and foreign policy, still prevailed.”
You should know better. Did she really see yourself as a constituency politician? That does explain the hostility towards the Lagharis and the reaction to the whole Rajanpur incident.

In my mind Dr Mazari had a far important role which it seems she did not fully appreciate. She was to provide the core of PTI Foreign and defense policy. pakistan has to rethink how it formulates its Defense and FR policy. This needs moving away from whims of GHQ and NDU to a national debate,professional think tanks and an elected leadership caliing the shots.
With the ingress of the $20 Billion dollar shadow government into Pakistan (via USAID,ISI T wing,Fusion cells etc) this will be battle for Pakistan destiny. Are we to be for ever dependable Satrap or a self respecting country?

The evidence suggest thats how IK saw you too. You were appointed to that post as VC. IK also used your services to this effect to great success at the APC and later when you accompanied IK to China.
Has IK changed any position on FR. If that were true would he stick his neck out into a foolhardy march into S.waziristan of all places. If he has not and that all you asked for, how can you abandon him now.
With you gone the relief of our Imperial bootlickers (So called “Liberals”) on twitter is palpable. From NJ to Marvi Sirmind to Kamran Shafi to NFP, Beena Sarwar and the usual suspects. This had brought them great relief.

Now IK in the top echelons of the party is left alone with a substantively Nationalistic view on FP, Defense policy etc.
Expecting anything substantively different from SMQ,Kasuri or Sardar Asif would not be reasonable. Without you by his side IK may find taking a nationalistic stand harder. The forces that be will chip at his position.

2. Electable and Big money:

This is a tired old argument by now. This is how a Pakistnai Parlimenty democratic system works.Its NOT the Bolsheviks or Cuban Communist or the Viet Cong. Its a Social democratic centrist party and has to party within the frame work.
The cold hard facts are PTI can only suceed if it get some of these powerful factions and lobbies behind it. It was successful as it was getting the business community behind it.

With ZAB the hold of Ayub khan era hod of Industrialist was broken and given back to the landholding old Feudal class.
History has shown this was a disaster as Pakistan lost its entrepreneurial class. Hence we never had our Tatas or Warren Buffets etc. The Industrialist were reduced to dependants in Pakistan had to side with one Political force or the other to survive (See the travails of the once mighty Schon group).

So you have the Punjab based Industrailist siding with PML N (Ittefaq,the Chiniotis etc) vs the PPP who were supported by the Karachi based Industrialist (Lakhanis , Hashwanis; who also have to appease the MQM fascist). Economic policy was destroyed. Thus privatisation under NS govt meant 70% was given out to Punjab based Industrialist while PPP tried to turn the tide in the favor of its backers. NS especially decimated Industries in KPK just to appease his constituency.

PTI was offering an alternative. Like its Asad Umer was saying Patronage Politics has to get out of economic policy. Many Industrial groups (Saf,Engro etc) saw how this compromise acceptable higher taxes for improved security, functioning infrastructure a level playing field. They would not have to fund the Destructive Political schenanigans of the duaolply of power.
Now one can argue can a party backed by some industrialist bring meanigful change. If you look at AKP in turkey (fianaced by the Anatolian Buisness Class) or FDR (who countered Wall Street power with(JP Morgan,Morgan Stanleyetc with Support of Big Manufacturing Industrial intrest like GE) the Answer is yes. Within the context of reform via political parties this is how it works.

IK isnt Ho chi min,Castro or Lenin. The PTI strategy is pragmatic and conservative in this regard.

Among the Feudal class PTI had clearly picked the best of the lot. Being financial non corrupt while in Politics in Pakistan is close to a miracle. PTI was giving a alternative plat form to these forces.

3.On giving the example of ZAB I have to say its laughable. ZAB PPP was contained many electables by end of his term. ZAB himself was a feudal and a so called “Establishment” creation. Anyone who has read his correspondence with Iskinder Mirza or Ayub Khan knows what I am referring to. His rule as I have stated was just the reaction of the suppressd Land holding political forces against the Industrial upstarts. His policy clearly reflected this. While he had no qulams of the disastrous Mass industrialisation he could not push or implement token Lnad reforms. ZAB created the Constituency based politics of today. I am afraid you are either naive or have bought into PPP historical revisionism. Had it not been for Zia coup by 77 PPP was discredited and would be a foot note of history.( A feat they accomplish predictably whenever given 5 years in power. ) The entire so called Nazriati PPP cadre defected enmasse to the Zia regime. Just like musch of the so called Nazariati PTI cadre jumped ship to Musharraf in 03.

4.”The plane and helicopter dependency is one reflection of this but so are other disturbing happenings like the donation of Rs 50 lakhs by one individual to some ISF leaders directly – ostensibly for aiding the membership drive – instead of it going via the Party account.”
IK has been travelling also by road more then any political leader. Given safety concerns and risk of a serious accidents Mazari is clutching at straws here.
Would she rather have PTI convoys stopping traffic like other Political leaders protocols. That would not increase PTI popularity.I think using Helicopters has dramatically increase the number of events IK can attend to. Jinnah views on Gandhi rediculous Public austerity are well known. IK is a wealthy man should he drive a rikshaw to Jalsa’s for propaganda purposes???

On IKF donation that is a serious allegation. Did you rasie that in CEC? What was the response? Did they have an explanation? In the context of letter its seems out of place and clutching at straws What exactly is being implied here? Was a procedural error or a case of graft?

5.”The membership drive itself through membership booklets has some serious questions hanging over it and I did try to raise these in the PSC meeting on the issue but to no avail. I still maintain that by selling the booklets we allowed the rich members to purchase huge amounts of the booklets and then make their members with no check on whether these books were being filled simply to build up local support for the intra party elections at Union and District levels or whether the members being enlisted were genuinely believers and supporters of PTI! ”
As I suspected its the whole Old guard vs New Guard conundrum. This is the most disappointing part of the letter.
Lets face it.The territorial narrow minded old guard wants to maintain its power and not let anyone in.
Membership is allowed via an SMS message. How much worse can a booklet be???
Who is going to decide the “genuineness” of the new PTI supporters.
Will S Akbar Babar and SM hold an inquisition.
This is a political party. Different facets attract people. No one has the right to question another persons motives. If SM belives in a democracy this is how it works.
The party cant be the fiefdom of this “old guard”.
Incidentally a quick look of the Old guard performance in election shows that in four elections they managed a stuning 2000 votes (Excluding IK votes). PTI has gone through three implosion where many of these old guards conveniently left the party when the going got tough. Many returned after things changed.
In my view these people are an albatross. The dont bring vision or votes to the table but throw tantrums at every turn
The whole itnra party election business was meant to appease them. Yet they dont want to stand exposed once again and lose their power.
The process now has to go through. And a mass culling of these Jokers is along over due. Anyone sincere would still continue without a position.
Many who were talented has gone up the ranks. Its quite telling how much venom these so called “old guard” spew once they call quits. These people want to be coddled, thats not how it works.
I remeber being virtually alone when in my social circle when I was agaisnt Mush capitulation in Afghanistan, Murder of Akbar Bugti, Extrodinary renditions, Operation in tribal area,Drone strikes etc.
Polling shows I (and IK) were a minority at the time. (These position drew me to PTI initially) Should I congratulate my self for my ideals and “vision” and deride everyone else for ever on basis of this. Is this a fair way to judge others? Do their mistakes at that time condemn them for eternity? No chance for redemption?
This is the thinking of a fascist. People change their views and realize their folly. Everyone makes mistakes. Thats Human.


6.IMF and energy policy. Atleast PTI isnt over promising and delivering a message within the confines of believability. Should PTI have said that we would default on our loans and other radical measures. Even if you think that is the prudent course, does it makes sense to show your cards so early on.
Do you have any idea how precarious Pakistan economic position is. We are dangerously close to spiralling into Hyperinflation. Do you have any idea of the amount of money being printed by SBP. By my estimate we are looking at a meltdown in Febuary.
We may have to defaults anyway. Anyone who knows the scale of the circular debt crisis knows anyone serious about government has to be very careful.

The lack of a specific complaint on the policy would indicate either you havent studied the policy in detail or you dont have a reasonable alternative. A massive increase in Health and education isnt enough?

7.”I hope that we are not reduced ‘to abuse and name calling on the social media again as it will not do anyone any good.”"Sadly, instead of resolving the issue amicably, your social media and their “trolls” chose to use filthy abuses against my daughter which compelled her to leave the party; and you chose to adopt a vengeful posture by serving me with a show cause notice and then sending a message that I should make a public apology and retract my statement.”

This basically is the main discernable reason. The rest of the points are just after thoughts. Stock anti pti arguments that dont hold much water. Marvi mmeon ,PTI nazariati jokers etc all have tried to use the same.
[HI]Strip this down,this is your ego speaking and it shows.[/HI]

[HI]You were out of line in Rajanpur. A party has to have Discipline. Why should you be excluded to rules applied to others before you. I remember you saying on TV when Pervaiz Khattak joined that the leadership had a right to demand a explanation from PTI workers who attacked the Islamabad office. Countless PTI official have had been reprimanded in the past. Many took it with grace and continued with the party.
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[HI]
You were out of line and should pay. Given your senior position you should have known better. Would you berate your daughter in public or in front of your friends. How then did you do the same to your Party. It seems you dont take this seriously enough . This literally for many is the last shot at a future, I do not exaggerate.
There are many platforms within the party to raise your complaints. But going infront of media in such an un nuanced malice laden attack it has to be reprimanded.
[/HI]
Your daughter on twitter shared a offensive tweet that troubled her.It turned out the tweeter (by the Tweet History) was a MQM worker pretending to be a PTI worker.

No sane person i the world takes random tweet on the internet seriously. And the conspiratorial belief that some how the leadership is running this campaign against Imaan.Should I laugh or cry. [HI]This is unbecoming of someone of your intellect.[/HI]
[HI]
I think in time you will recognize what folly your daughter has forced you into. Her reason as I pointed out in her other post are self serving and half baked and dont stand to scrutiny.
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[HI]You not only missed an opportunity to play part in what could be real change. You may have administered the knock out punch none of the status quo could have mustered. First time in ten years do I doubt now that PTI IA will see this through.
As a PTI supporter I find it hard to forgive you for this. Still all the best in your future endeavours.


[/HI]

And this is when I completely lost all respect for her:

This is her "press release" when she squirmed back in into PTI. No explanation , no apologies, did not even answer the show cause the party had sent her for violating its discipline.

And look at the huge contradiction b/w her resignation letter and Press release when she was allowed back in. None of the issues changed. But when it became convenient all her "principles" did.

Even more shameful she put it out only on her daughters blog as a "Exclusive"

http://imaanmazari.wordpress.com/2013/03/18/exclusive-shireen-mazari-in-pti-press-statement/
18 March 2013
PRESS STATEMENT
Just as I had left PTI on 25[SUP]th[/SUP] September with a heavy heart so today I am rejoining the Party with a clear mind and a commitment to the vision of change for a Naya Pakistan that has gained a new momentum with the intra party elections. In my resignation letter I had raised a number of issues relating to the Party but somehow at the juncture the country is in right now, there is a greater task to be tackled – that is rescuing our beloved Pakistan from the looters and criminals in the garb of political leader. In this context, as I had stated to Khan in my resignation letter, I had never doubted his integrity or commitment, so it is this that has brought me back into the Party.

While everything may not be as one wishes it to be, the intra-party elections with all their glitches have provided for a culture of democracy within the Party which will improve with each election the Party goes through. What has been the most positive part of these elections has been the resurgence of the old ideological workers in the form of electoral success in most instances, albeit not all. But which other Party has moved even an iota towards having such extensive intra-party polls with all members voting. I still hope that eventually it will not be a pyramid voting structure but that all members will vote directly for their top tier leadership.

[HI]My misgiving that big money was taking over the party has been set aside in the wake of the intra party elections and the commitment of the youth and ideological workers of the Party.[/HI] In fact, the youth and old ideological workers of the Party kept my faith going in PTI even while I was out of it. And today they are mainly responsible for my coming back to the Party. [HI]In retrospect I feel I should not have gone public with my misgivings and should have dealt with it within the party.
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I did some harsh criticism of the Party but on policy issues and refrained from any personal abuse or criticism of Khan as his credentials were never in doubt. In that context, I stand by the position I had taken at the time on principles but I am glad on most counts the intra-party polls removed the misgivings/misperceptions. Also, despite my having left the Party I never sought to party hop simply because I did not see myself comfortable ideologically with any other political party. I had told Khan in my resignation letter that I would be there to serve the Party in any way because for me coming into electoral politics through PTI was simply to affect national agendas in a way that qualitatively changes Pakistan for the better. As the PTI leadership knows, I have continued to work with it on many issues even while remaining outside the Party. But it is time to be formally part of the PTI team again.

It is time to stand up and be counted. [HI]There is no room for any “me” or “I” if we are to collectively save our country.[/HI] Faith in Khan’s commitment and integrity were always there but faith in one man is a starting point because the Party is defined by its collective leadership and [HI]the intra party elections plus the exit of many party hoppers has restored faith in the PTI’s collectivity for me.
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The development of my neglected and underdeveloped area Rajanpur and its downtrodden people’s welfare, is very critical for me and [HI]I am hoping to bring Khan to the district to show people the difference between PTI and the traditional Tumandar-dominated political parties.
[/HI]

Things may never be perfect but we must unite to change the status quo and work towards constant improvement. So it is with a renewed dedication and commitment that I rejoin PTI.
Shireen M Mazari
 
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sumisrar

Minister (2k+ posts)
i think its not based on what JI got, its based on what pti needs for govt (seats + ideology) otherwise fazloo is ready to do anything legal or illegal just for govt.

Being a PTI member, I am very thankfull to JI for this cooperation and joining hands with PTI

We lossed atleast 10 NA and 10-15 Prov seats by not having alliance. (all other parties are same from inside, you will notice all joining hands with n league in govt.)



JI has only 7 seats so giving it 3 ministries is absurd. 2 bhe mil jain tu boht ziada hein.
 

gazoomartian

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Education should be given to Jamshed dasti, the best suited person for the job. He is hard working, honest (well, almost) and non-corrupt. He lives only on his pay
 

AA Khan

MPA (400+ posts)
Pata nahi ye sherin mizari marad hi ya aorat. PTI wolo ko dabonay ke liay iss qisam ke makhlooq kafi hi:lol:(bigsmile)
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Big NO NO for education for JI
This is where PTI will show performance to other provinces

PTI should retain this ministry as JI Education will probably mean No change in Madrassa Schooling...

Please let us know the type of change U would like to have, and the type of change which JI shall refuse to make.
 

Wadaich

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Education should be given to Jamshed dasti, the best suited person for the job. He is hard working, honest (well, almost) and non-corrupt. He lives only on his pay

(hmm) Chachi Mohtarima ko na dey dein yeh ministry.......at least she has proved her talent by turning a thing like you into a human being(bigsmile)
 

jason

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Weary of JI based on their past record.

Will wait and see.....

then go and make alliance with PMLN I mean it is so stupid to see these arguments. Man you are fighting with your nails so that ECP conduct re counting and you get one or two seats. I mean wake up which world you are living in.
 

desan

President (40k+ posts)
then go and make alliance with PMLN I mean it is so stupid to see these arguments. Man you are fighting with your nails so that ECP conduct re counting and you get one or two seats. I mean wake up which world you are living in.

Bro, did not say anything derogatory.

Just talking about their behaviour in the past, i.e,
negotiating with PMLn, and JUIf just before the elections while leaving PTI in the cold.....
 

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