Does the Holy Qur'an really refer to Abraha and his army in Surah Al Fil?

[Citizen X]

I know that it's not in the surah, but the reference was given to historical Abraha, and that tells us elephants were in the desert. That's why I don't buy the traditionalists' interpretations of Surah Al Fil.

I dont buy that either, but then also I don't try to twist and turn it into something that fits to my understanding. First I try to research and learn that maybe its my understanding that limited and keeping me from understanding it properly.

To me ( with my current state of limited understanding maybe Allah will increase my understanding in the future and I will understand it better ) it is demonstrating the power of Allah and how he has control over everything and can use any of his creations in anyway he pleases. Also it alludes to some event that was well know at the time as the opening verse says

Have you not considered, how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant?

Also what everyone seems to miss is that the word is Feel, single elephant, not elephants or an army of elephants. And very few have actually translated this correctly like the one I have posted from Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran.

Its companions of the فِيل (fīl) i,e one elephant it were more it would be فِيَلَة (fiyalah)

 

[Citizen X]

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Constant meaningless ranting... blah blah blah

You are so dumb its hilarious and your lack of reading and comprehension skills even funnier.

Everytime you post you just solidify what I have said

 

[Wake up Pak]

I dont buy that either, but then also I don't try to twist and turn it into something that fits to my understanding. First I try to research and learn that maybe its my understanding that limited and keeping me from understanding it properly.

To me ( with my current state of limited understanding maybe Allah will increase my understanding in the future and I will understand it better ) it is demonstrating the power of Allah and how he has control over everything and can use any of his creations in anyway he pleases. Also it alludes to some event that was well know at the time as the opening verse says

Have you not considered, how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant?

Also what everyone seems to miss is that the word is Feel, single elephant, not elephants or an army of elephants. And very few have actually translated this correctly like the one I have posted from Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran.

Its companions of the فِيل (fīl) i,e one elephant it were more it would be فِيَلَة (fiyalah)

I would disagree that Allah interferes in human beings' affairs. Yes, He has the power to do anything, but we have to understand the verse in its context, or sometimes in the entirety of the Quran.

 

[Wake up Pak]

I dont buy that either, but then also I don't try to twist and turn it into something that fits to my understanding. First I try to research and learn that maybe its my understanding that limited and keeping me from understanding it properly.

To me ( with my current state of limited understanding maybe Allah will increase my understanding in the future and I will understand it better ) it is demonstrating the power of Allah and how he has control over everything and can use any of his creations in anyway he pleases. Also it alludes to some event that was well know at the time as the opening verse says

Have you not considered, how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant?

Also what everyone seems to miss is that the word is Feel, single elephant, not elephants or an army of elephants. And very few have actually translated this correctly like the one I have posted from Dr. Mustafa Khattab, The Clear Quran.

Its companions of the فِيل (fīl) i,e one elephant it were more it would be فِيَلَة (fiyalah)

Allah has power over all things and grants humans free will, along with the guidance of the Quran to live their lives accordingly.

 

[Citizen X]

I would disagree that Allah interferes in human beings' affairs. Yes, He has the power to do anything, but we have to understand the verse in its context, or sometimes in the entirety of the Quran.

But Allah does help his prophets and messengers, maybe it was story related to a prophet or messenger which we do not know about. But there is still a lesson to be learnt from it.

 

[Citizen X]

Allah has power over all things and grants humans free will, along with the guidance of the Quran to live their lives accordingly.

No disagreement there.

 

[observer-x]

I would disagree that Allah interferes in human beings' affairs.

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Thanks for confirming again you don't believe in the God of Quran - Allah.

Allah is السميع المجيب meaning All Hearing and All Answering, he's also الحى meaning Ever Living. Wake up Pak and Citizen X concept of God is not the same as the Quranic concept. They believe in some newer man made religion which they're too scared to even blurt out.

 

[Wake up Pak]

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Thanks for confirming again you don't believe in the God of Quran - Allah.

Allah is السميع المجيب meaning All Hearing and All Answering, he's also الحى meaning Ever Living. Wake up Pak and Citizen X concept of God is not the same as the Quranic concept. They believe in some newer man made religion which they're too scared to even blurt out.

If Allah needs to interfere, then what is the point of sending the revelations?

 

[Citizen X]

If Allah needs to interfere, then what is the point of sending the revelations?

Don't get on this merry go round with him.

 

[observer-x]

If Allah needs to interfere, then what is the point of sending the revelations?

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Go ahead and deny السميع المجيب الحى البصير are not all Allah's names which makes him a Living, Interfering God.

Also deny the following Quranic ayah:

وَقَالَ رَبُّكُمُ ادْعُونِي أَسْتَجِبْ لَكُمْ
And your Lord says, "Call upon Me; I will respond to you." (Quran 40:85)

 

[observer-x]

Don't get on this merry go round with him.

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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You listen to your other hackel and jackel a lot

 

[Wake up Pak]

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Go ahead and deny السميع المجيب الحى البصير are not all Allah's names which makes him a Living, Interfering God.

Also deny the following Quranic ayah:

وَقَالَ رَبُّكُمُ ادْعُونِي أَسْتَجِبْ لَكُمْ
And your Lord says, "Call upon Me; I will respond to you." (Quran 40:85)

Tell me, millions of people around the world and during the so-called Hajj, you blind followers perform and pray to Allah to destroy Israel and the enemies of Islam, did Allah destroy any one of them?

 

[Wake up Pak]

Don't get on this merry go round with him.

I asked Bozo observer-x a several times for details about Namaz, Hajj, etc., from the Quran, but as usual, he failed to provide them. He couldn't even show the Shahada from the Quran.
Here is Bozo for you!

 

[observer-x]

I asked Bozo observer-x a several times for details about Namaz, Hajj, etc., from the Quran, but as usual, he failed to provide them. He couldn't even show the Shahada from the Quran.
Here is Bozo for you!

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Nah... You're a pussy, you can't announce a new man made religion that you think you're preaching for decades here.

 

[Citizen X]

I asked Bozo observer-x a several times for details about Namaz, Hajj, etc., from the Quran, but as usual, he failed to provide them. He couldn't even show the Shahada from the Quran.
Here is Bozo for you!

And you were expecting what? A proper debate backed up with evidence to prove their claims!
There only answer everytime is everybody has been following this for 1400 yrs so I will also follow this blindly.

But if they ever actually read the Quran instead of listening to fairytales from their bhaands they would realize

“When it is said to them: ‘Follow what Allah has revealed,’ they say, ‘No, we will follow what we found our forefathers doing.’ Even if their forefathers understood nothing and were not guided?” 2:170

 

[observer-x]

And you were expecting what? A proper debate backed up with evidence to prove their claims!

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Something this hackel and jackel can't ever have. He's always too scared to lose.

 

[Citizen X]

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Nah... You're a pussy, you can't announce a new man made religion that you think you're preaching for decades here.

Aaa gaya na apni aasli auqat per.

 

[Citizen X]

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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Something this hackel and jackel can't ever have. He's always too scared to lose.

If you're man enough and not a "pussy" then accept me challenge

 

[observer-x]

If you're man enough and not a "pussy" then accept me challenge

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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You know what few months back I did once thought maybe CitizenX is a man of his words who will accept where he's wrong.

But to my surprise within an hour or so of discussion you got scared of the questions. And your vulnerability made you change your stance and instead chose to not answer questions at all and that is where you lost my trust.

Now whatever you say about challenges or questions or debates or sincerity or manning up or what not to establish credibility; I don't get swayed by your words.

You're not a man of your words. Period.

 

[Citizen X]

رَبِّ اشْرَحْ لِي صَدْرِي وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي
My Lord, expand for me my chest [with assurance] and ease for me my task and untie the knot from my tongue that they may understand my speech.

اللهم ارنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه
O Allah! show us the truth as true, and inspire us to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood, and inspire us to abstain from it.
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You know what few months back I did once thought maybe CitizenX is a man of his words who will accept where he's wrong.

But to my surprise within an hour or so of discussion you got scared of the questions. And your vulnerability made you change your stance and instead chose to not answer questions at all and that is where you lost my trust.

Now whatever you say about challenges or questions or debates or sincerity or manning up or what not to establish credibility; I don't get swayed by your words.

You're not a man of your words. Period.

But I always knew you were a liar.