It is a belief for religious Muslims not for secular Muslims. Just like Judaism is a belief for Orthodox Jews but a culture for secular Jews.
During military rule we have sold half of our rivers to India, lost Kargil in 1971. Lost Siachen Glacier since 1984. Not to mention losing half of our economy and population to put icing on the cake.
Bhutto who destroyed the economy through nationalization and Nawaz who has been inflicted upon us since last 3 decades are products of military. Yahya split the country by mishandling Indian spy named Sheikh Mujeeb ur Rehman. Zia Ul Haq is root of extremism and sectarianism that has torn this country apart.
Corruption of military is nothing compared to corruption of politicians. Defending their country is their duty and it doesn't mean they get immunity from the bad things they do. US military protects its country but at the same time lets democracy to do its thing. The Bhuto and all Pak politicians have always been corrupt which is why the military rightfully erevene
They are not holy cows anyone who does wrong should be open to criticizm, if criticizing something is blasphemy then that means daal me kuch kala hai.
I never claimed that. But the way Ayub dishonored her during election campaign with vile accusations is infront of everyone.
Find me his speech where he said religion has nothing to do with running of the state. It was one of the most important speeches he made and it was highly censored. Find me any writings on Pakistan's new constitution. He was a lawyer after all.
Maybe, but if there were any people would have mentioned them like the one in which he declares Pakistan to be a secular state when he says religion has nothing to do with the running of the State.
I dont disagree with that. Thanks to military they never allowed Pakistan's civilian leadership to mature.
He demanded Pakistan because he wanted secularism, since it was clear to him that Hindus would not allow India to be secular. The trend in those days was not towards Shariah but towards secularism. This Mullahism has started since 1970s, if Jinnah wanted Shariah law he would have said it, instead he called for separation of state and religion which is definition of secularism. But if he did call for Shariah, that would have made him a hypocrite because both himself and Allama Iqbal drank alcohol and didnt follow Shariah. Iqbal was a frequent visited of brothels in Lahore. They both had a very secular lifestyle.
In a society where there is Hindutva law and Shariah law there can be no freedom of religion and there can be no equality. Non-Hindus or Non-Muslims will always be seen as second class citizens.
Stop your 200 boring lines that have nothing to do with the debate like "we lost Kargil" rubbish. If you love India so much then go there and take your secularism with you! We are not talking about history so stick to the subject or shut up! The subject is what the Quaid wanted in case it has missed you! I hate it when Indian boot lickers and self haters like you change the subject. We beat them up in Kargil and 65 too.
Islam is a belief for all Muslims as far as I know otherwise it is nothing, secularism is a political system not a spiritual belief. The likes of Bhutto have always been corrupt which is why the military has to intervene, it was because of him that we lost the 71 war much more then anything else. All Pak politicians have never done the job they were supposed to leading to internal problems. Your attempts to be some intellectual and historian are embarrassing.
There is no immunity for anyone only that good and bad soldiers exist in every army. We have our share of them too yet they are also the ones who defend the country when needed most when people like you are watching TV and Nawaz Sharif having holidays. Soldiers are people not angel's that you expect them to be. Teri daal kaali hogi where as mines is very tasty! Once more don't derail the debate here about Ayub or who said what 200 years back. If you love India so much there then fk off there, we don't need traitors like you.
There are many speeches the Quaid said that are unavailable now. What we have is many people who witnessed his final days telling us he wanted an Islamic system in the country. His speech that we are free to worship whatever we want is not to suggest he is a secularist at all. Now no matter what I provide you will reject it so no point in doing that. One such person was Dr Israr Ahmed who often spoke on this subject. Islam is not a religion which is why he said it has nothing to do with the running of the state, it is a deen not a religion. This is what confuses people like you.
The Pak civilian governments like Nawaz and Zardari have only looted the people. The whole world knows that apart from you, removing them was indeed the correct thing to do. What we need is a Presidential system taking care of such matters, permanently. Just because democracy suits the west does not mean it is the ideal system for Pak too. We will continue to go in circles until an Islamic Presidential system is implemented. This is why our politicians like Nawaz and co get away with murder, in an Islamic system they would have been hanged by now just like Bhutto.
Most Hindu's do want secularism even today. Congress followers and their leaders like Rahul Gandhi want it too failing to understand it will not resolve their problems either. This is why India has s many independence movements where as you are regretting the creation of Pak it seems or want for it to be secular. No, no and never...Pak was formed in the name of Islam and too it will return otherwise we will continue to suffer as a people then eventually disappear.
No the Mullahism is a consequence of the USSR invasion of Afghanistan which resulted in extremism when we sent fighters next door. We had to do that at the time otherwise the Russians were ready to cross the border most likely taking Peshawar. So I do many things against Islam as well, many great Islamic thinkers have consumed liquor throughout history. If the like of Sir Allama and the Quaid did is not to be seen as rejecting Islamic law. They were living in a non Muslim land when indulging in such things.
Hindu's are mistreated in Pak because we are not an Islamic state. We don't really know what we are!