Development In MQM Era Outside The Karachi

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
Let it be clear that the agriculture and the industry based on agriculutre in particular cotton, rice etc and sports andthe natural resorces in particular to the gas and electrcity production are the sole resources of our GDP. Non of the consumer industry or services sector play any significent role in GDP. Let's suppose if we agree to pay the due share of Gas to Baluchistanthen for the next 40 years there will be no money avaiable for the urban cities like Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad. It is the expliotation of the poor nation by the priviliged classes of urban centres which is the main cause of unrest among the nation.

Lets's see the reality of claim about Karachi contribute 70% of the revenue collection:



"The revenues generated in Karachi do not go out the pockets of Karchitiites. The two main sources of revenues in and around karachi for the Federal government are (1) custom duties on imports and some exports and (2) the corporate taxes paid by national entities such as banks and industries with headquarters in Karachi.

Large companies and financial institutions generate their profits (and therefore their share of taxes) by conducting their business activities through out the country. Most banks, for example, have more branches in the Punjab than anywhere else. So the income (and the taxes on that income) is mostly generated out of Kaarchi, since thats where 90 percent of Pakistani population and therefore an overwhelming majority of consumers/customers live. Only that when the annual taxes have to be paid they are paid by their chief accountants based in their headquarters in Karachi. Nothing extra goes out of the pockets of the citizens of the city.

Ditto with the international commerce. The goods imported through the port of Karachi are not all consumed in Karachi but a majority goes upstream as thats where the majority of population and therefore consumers live. The importer pays custom duties through their income generated by selling these products to consumers, and as we have learnt above that consumers are spread from NWFP to Sindh and from Punjab to Balochistan. And export goods are mostly agri-products predominently coming from north of Karachi, and hence any export duties on these goods do not go out the pockets of a common Nazimabad resident.

Now let us talk of the GDP - gross domestic product another source of random figures thrown at this forum. It is calculated on any activity resulting in productivity (NOT THE REVENUES OR INCOME) of any kind. So a poor peasant living in Dadu or Mianwali generating milk from a domestic cow for the consumption of his family or harvesting enough wheat for his familys survival is indulging in generating products which are included in the countrys GDP. The farmer does not need to sell his products to generate any profit of income for him but he only has to produce these products (even for his own consumption. The value of products he is generating will form a part of the national GDP.

It is easy to guess that Punjabs contribution to Pakistans GDP will be highest as thats where most people of the country reside and indulge in generating products. "
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
rahat said:
Let it be clear that the agriculture and the industry based on agriculutre in particular cotton, rice etc and sports andthe natural resorces in particular to the gas and electrcity production are the sole resources of our GDP. Non of the consumer industry or services sector play any significent role in GDP. Let's suppose if we agree to pay the due share of Gas to Baluchistanthen for the next 40 years there will be no money avaiable for the urban cities like Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad. It is the expliotation of the poor nation by the priviliged classes of urban centres which is the main cause of unrest among the nation.

Lets's see the reality of claim about Karachi contribute 70% of the revenue collection:



"The revenues generated in Karachi do not go out the pockets of Karchitiites. The two main sources of revenues in and around karachi for the Federal government are (1) custom duties on imports and some exports and (2) the corporate taxes paid by national entities such as banks and industries with headquarters in Karachi.

Large companies and financial institutions generate their profits (and therefore their share of taxes) by conducting their business activities through out the country. Most banks, for example, have more branches in the Punjab than anywhere else. So the income (and the taxes on that income) is mostly generated out of Kaarchi, since thats where 90 percent of Pakistani population and therefore an overwhelming majority of consumers/customers live. Only that when the annual taxes have to be paid they are paid by their chief accountants based in their headquarters in Karachi. Nothing extra goes out of the pockets of the citizens of the city.

Ditto with the international commerce. The goods imported through the port of Karachi are not all consumed in Karachi but a majority goes upstream as thats where the majority of population and therefore consumers live. The importer pays custom duties through their income generated by selling these products to consumers, and as we have learnt above that consumers are spread from NWFP to Sindh and from Punjab to Balochistan. And export goods are mostly agri-products predominently coming from north of Karachi, and hence any export duties on these goods do not go out the pockets of a common Nazimabad resident.

Now let us talk of the GDP - gross domestic product another source of random figures thrown at this forum. It is calculated on any activity resulting in productivity (NOT THE REVENUES OR INCOME) of any kind. So a poor peasant living in Dadu or Mianwali generating milk from a domestic cow for the consumption of his family or harvesting enough wheat for his familys survival is indulging in generating products which are included in the countrys GDP. The farmer does not need to sell his products to generate any profit of income for him but he only has to produce these products (even for his own consumption. The value of products he is generating will form a part of the national GDP.

It is easy to guess that Punjabs contribution to Pakistans GDP will be highest as thats where most people of the country reside and indulge in generating products. "

Accha baba accha Kal se hum bhi laziza hi banain ge ...... :D

Karachi contribute nothing (Pata nahi sub ise Financial hub q kehte hain :?: )....tusi khush raho Paji (waise ye Paji Panjabi wala hai Urdu wala nahi hai) ;)

Some time it feels K Mulana Abul Kalam was right :cry:
 

Jury

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
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rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
rahat wrote:
Let it be clear that the agriculture and the industry based on agriculutre in particular cotton, rice etc and sports andthe natural resorces in particular to the gas and electrcity production are the sole resources of our GDP. Non of the consumer industry or services sector play any significent role in GDP. Let's suppose if we agree to pay the due share of Gas to Baluchistanthen for the next 40 years there will be no money avaiable for the urban cities like Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad. It is the expliotation of the poor nation by the priviliged classes of urban centres which is the main cause of unrest among the nation.

Lets's see the reality of claim about Karachi contribute 70% of the revenue collection:



"The revenues generated in Karachi do not go out the pockets of Karchitiites. The two main sources of revenues in and around karachi for the Federal government are (1) custom duties on imports and some exports and (2) the corporate taxes paid by national entities such as banks and industries with headquarters in Karachi.

Large companies and financial institutions generate their profits (and therefore their share of taxes) by conducting their business activities through out the country. Most banks, for example, have more branches in the Punjab than anywhere else. So the income (and the taxes on that income) is mostly generated out of Kaarchi, since thats where 90 percent of Pakistani population and therefore an overwhelming majority of consumers/customers live. Only that when the annual taxes have to be paid they are paid by their chief accountants based in their headquarters in Karachi. Nothing extra goes out of the pockets of the citizens of the city.

Ditto with the international commerce. The goods imported through the port of Karachi are not all consumed in Karachi but a majority goes upstream as thats where the majority of population and therefore consumers live. The importer pays custom duties through their income generated by selling these products to consumers, and as we have learnt above that consumers are spread from NWFP to Sindh and from Punjab to Balochistan. And export goods are mostly agri-products predominently coming from north of Karachi, and hence any export duties on these goods do not go out the pockets of a common Nazimabad resident.

Now let us talk of the GDP - gross domestic product another source of random figures thrown at this forum. It is calculated on any activity resulting in productivity (NOT THE REVENUES OR INCOME) of any kind. So a poor peasant living in Dadu or Mianwali generating milk from a domestic cow for the consumption of his family or harvesting enough wheat for his familys survival is indulging in generating products which are included in the countrys GDP. The farmer does not need to sell his products to generate any profit of income for him but he only has to produce these products (even for his own consumption. The value of products he is generating will form a part of the national GDP.

It is easy to guess that Punjabs contribution to Pakistans GDP will be highest as thats where most people of the country reside and indulge in generating products. "


Accha baba accha Kal se hum bhi laziza hi banain ge ......

Karachi contribute nothing (Pata nahi sub ise Financial hub q kehte hain )....tusi khush raho Paji (waise ye Paji Panjabi wala hai Urdu wala nahi hai)

Some time it feels K Mulana Abul Kalam was right


When the peoples crying that Karachi contribute 70% revenue has no logic then they repliedin this way.
Facts can't be hide by telling lies and lies and continueing the exploiting the whole nation by a few peoples of urban centres. The time has changed and now each one know about these expiloters and their objectives.
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
rahat said:
Accha baba accha Kal se hum bhi laziza hi banain ge ......

Karachi contribute nothing (Pata nahi sub ise Financial hub q kehte hain )....tusi khush raho Paji (waise ye Paji Panjabi wala hai Urdu wala nahi hai)

Some time it feels K Mulana Abul Kalam was right




When the peoples crying that Karachi contribute 70% revenue has no logic then they repliedin this way. [wall]
Facts can't be hide by telling lies and lies and continueing the exploiting the whole nation by a few peoples of urban centres. The time has changed and now each one know about these expiloters and their objectives.

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rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
No logic or argements, but it establish, how the national wealth was invested on luxerious of urban cities like karachi, while the real generators of national wealth deprived from their due rights and their share. It is the main cause of un-rest among the nation and their is developing thinking for the fight against these expiloters and it reflects in the outcome of Baluchistan situtation and others areas where their is hate to these urban explioters.

Please fear ALLAH and be fair and instead of demanding and explioting by the urban centres, give the due shares to the undeveloped areas by diverting resources to them for the basic infra-structures and restrain from wasting the resources on the urban luxerious.
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
rahat said:
No logic or argements, but it establish, how the national wealth was invested on luxerious of urban cities like karachi, while the real generators of national wealth deprived from their due rights and their share. It is the main cause of un-rest among the nation and their is developing thinking for the fight against these expiloters and it reflects in the outcome of Baluchistan situtation and others areas where their is hate to these urban explioters.

Please fear ALLAH and be fair and instead of demanding and explioting by the urban centres, give the due shares to the undeveloped areas by diverting resources to them for the basic infra-structures and restrain from wasting the resources on the urban luxerious.
Who is denying it??????????? All your demands above are rational and valid and I 2nd ur opinion this time :) but what do you think what % of lower n lower middle classes live in big cities.

You can go against the exploiters but who is exploiting farmers and labour in Punjab, NWFP, Baluchistan and Sindh ??????

Are they people from cities or the feudals ruling over them and living in the same region with them.....

What Baloch politicians and Sardaars deliver to their mazarys from atleast what they get in royality from govt????

Can you deny that Pakistani govt is not giving royality of Gas to Baloch leaders????
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
rahat said:
Let it be clear that the agriculture and the industry based on agriculutre in particular cotton, rice etc and sports andthe natural resorces in particular to the gas and electrcity production are the sole resources of our GDP. Non of the consumer industry or services sector play any significent role in GDP. Let's suppose if we agree to pay the due share of Gas to Baluchistanthen for the next 40 years there will be no money avaiable for the urban cities like Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad. It is the expliotation of the poor nation by the priviliged classes of urban centres which is the main cause of unrest among the nation.

Lets's see the reality of claim about Karachi contribute 70% of the revenue collection:



"The revenues generated in Karachi do not go out the pockets of Karchitiites. The two main sources of revenues in and around karachi for the Federal government are (1) custom duties on imports and some exports and (2) the corporate taxes paid by national entities such as banks and industries with headquarters in Karachi.

Large companies and financial institutions generate their profits (and therefore their share of taxes) by conducting their business activities through out the country. Most banks, for example, have more branches in the Punjab than anywhere else. So the income (and the taxes on that income) is mostly generated out of Kaarchi, since thats where 90 percent of Pakistani population and therefore an overwhelming majority of consumers/customers live. Only that when the annual taxes have to be paid they are paid by their chief accountants based in their headquarters in Karachi. Nothing extra goes out of the pockets of the citizens of the city.

Ditto with the international commerce. The goods imported through the port of Karachi are not all consumed in Karachi but a majority goes upstream as thats where the majority of population and therefore consumers live. The importer pays custom duties through their income generated by selling these products to consumers, and as we have learnt above that consumers are spread from NWFP to Sindh and from Punjab to Balochistan. And export goods are mostly agri-products predominently coming from north of Karachi, and hence any export duties on these goods do not go out the pockets of a common Nazimabad resident.

Now let us talk of the GDP - gross domestic product another source of random figures thrown at this forum. It is calculated on any activity resulting in productivity (NOT THE REVENUES OR INCOME) of any kind. So a poor peasant living in Dadu or Mianwali generating milk from a domestic cow for the consumption of his family or harvesting enough wheat for his familys survival is indulging in generating products which are included in the countrys GDP. The farmer does not need to sell his products to generate any profit of income for him but he only has to produce these products (even for his own consumption. The value of products he is generating will form a part of the national GDP.

It is easy to guess that Punjabs contribution to Pakistans GDP will be highest as thats where most people of the country reside and indulge in generating products. "


Rahat,

You are a cunning person.

I told you that question of GDP is not related here. What the Punjabi Zamindaar is growing in names of Crops, the income from it is going 100% to his own Pocket. He is not paying the Tax.

We are talking here about Revenues, which means the Tax Money of People.

Question:
Tell me how many Cents have these Zamindaars have paid in development of Country from this GDP thing?

Not a single Cent.

Shame upon you that you still brining the question of GDP and thus trying to make these Punjabi Zamindaars as Masoom Farishtay and want to turn whole blame upon Mohajirs of Karachi. What Satanic mind you have got.

Mohajirs are not ruling Pakistan. Why dont the Punjabi Establishment and Punjabi Government tax these Zamindaars? Off course the Poor Kisaan of Punjab should not be taxed, same as poor Hari or poor Baluchi or Poor Mohajir of Karachi. But the big Fishes should be taxed.

People of Karachi were paying the most Tax Revenue (and even Centers of Firms situated in Karachi, still it is counted as Karachi Tax Money. Karachi has not asked these Firms to make Karachi their Centers. You are totally free to ask these Firms to make Interior Punjab their headquarters. It is an open Competition.

So, please:

1st: Keep your GDP and your Tax to yourself (your Punjab).

2nd: But let the GDP and TAX of Karachi to be kept by Karachi People.

No, now you forget all this GDP bakwaas and still you start for crying for Tax Money of Karachi, but you are blind to not to see that Punjabi Establishment and Punjabi Hakomat never tax the GDP Income of Zameendaars. You are at peak of your hatred, instead of blaming Punjabi Establishment and Punjabi Government for not Taxing Zamindaars, you keep on blaming Urdu Speaking Mohajirs of Karachi for every Ill in Pakistan.
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
I told you that question of GDP is not related here. What the Punjabi Zamindaar is growing in names of Crops, the income from it is going 100% to his own Pocket. He is not paying the Tax.

We are talking here about Revenues, which means the Tax Money of People.

Question:
Tell me how many Cents have these Zamindaars have paid in development of Country from this GDP thing?

Not a single Cent.

Shame upon you that you still brining the question of GDP and thus trying to make these Punjabi Zamindaars as Masoom Farishtay and want to turn whole blame upon Mohajirs of Karachi. What Satanic mind you have got.

Mohajirs are not ruling Pakistan. Why dont the Punjabi Establishment and Punjabi Government tax these Zamindaars? Off course the Poor Kisaan of Punjab should not be taxed, same as poor Hari or poor Baluchi or Poor Mohajir of Karachi. But the big Fishes should be taxed.

People of Karachi were paying the most Tax Revenue (and even Centers of Firms situated in Karachi, still it is counted as Karachi Tax Money. Karachi has not asked these Firms to make Karachi their Centers. You are totally free to ask these Firms to make Interior Punjab their headquarters. It is an open Competition.

So, please:

1st: Keep your GDP and your Tax to yourself (your Punjab).

2nd: But let the GDP and TAX of Karachi to be kept by Karachi People.

No, now you forget all this GDP bakwaas and still you start for crying for Tax Money of Karachi, but you are blind to not to see that Punjabi Establishment and Punjabi Hakomat never tax the GDP Income of Zameendaars. You are at peak of your hatred, instead of blaming Punjabi Establishment and Punjabi Government for not Taxing Zamindaars, you keep on blaming Urdu Speaking Mohajirs of Karachi for every Ill in Pakistan.

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Actually the peoples belonging to well off middle class of cities never tried understanding the root cause or there is a conflict of their interests to accept the reality and they continue to support the real exploiters I.E. the urban elite.
They never think about the majority of the population engaged in the filed of agriculture and their prospective.
The 75 % of the population engaged in that field and out of which nearly 97% are the lower and middle class formers. They own 3 to 12 acres pf land and their income is falls into the lower and lower middle class. They are the major contributor to our GDP. The big feudal contribute only the nominal portion in our GDP. Their total wealth of lands is in between 3 laces to 8 laces. This is much and much less then the normal lower middle class living in urban centers in an apartment or house.

The truth is that we neglected our farmers and diverted their resources to the development of luxurious for urban centers. They are still living without any basic facility despite the fact that they are the major foreign exchange earners with which the urban elite is being benefited.

As far the 3% big feudal are concerns they invest their money in the urban centers in property, shares etc and they live there.

As far as you mentioned about the reality to Balouch for gas is concerns, the ruling elite never paid even a nominal part to Balouchs and their resources were diverted to add luxuries of urban cities. In 50-60 when the gas was explored there, they never installed till today any gas plant in Baluchistan to supply to the other parts. But they adopted an expensive proposal to supply gas to Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad by pipelines. It clearly indicates the attitude of our urban elite, who never think about the development of that part, but utilized their resources as an Occupiers.

If, today the real shares to Balouchs be awarded then there will be no money left for the urban centers for the next 40 years.

It must be kept in mind that the majority of the population in Karachi and other urban centers belong to poor and lower classes living in Kutchi Abadies and they are denied the basic facilities.
The only beneficiaries are the Urban Elite of urban centers.
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
rahat said:
As far as you mentioned about the reality to Balouch for gas is concerns, the ruling elite never paid even a nominal part to Balouchs and their resources were diverted to add luxuries of urban cities. In 50-60 when the gas was explored there, they never installed till today any gas plant in Baluchistan to supply to the other parts. But they adopted an expensive proposal to supply gas to Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad by pipelines. It clearly indicates the attitude of our urban elite, who never think about the development of that part, but utilized their resources as an Occupiers.

If, today the real shares to Balouchs be awarded then there will be no money left for the urban centers for the next 40 years.

It must be kept in mind that the majority of the population in Karachi and other urban centers belong to poor and lower classes living in Kutchi Abadies and they are denied the basic facilities.
The only beneficiaries are the Urban Elite of urban centers.
OK
now its making some sense..........
so what do you think what should be done practically in current situation??
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
The peoples like altaf and others are the agents of Hindus and are paid to complete their agenda with the help of so-called middle class of Karachi. Actually this class is a privileged class who has exploited the whole nation. The resources generated by the nation were / are being lavishly spend on this small segment of the nation, while the real generator of national wealth are living in a deprived conditions. They never allowed any development on the rural parts and all the resources being diverted to the small urban portion to benefit this privileged class.
But now time has changed and their is awakens in the nation which will not allow to continue this exploitations.

MQM is based on terrorism, corruption, bhatta khori. The only way to clean Karachi from these evils is the presence of firm and committed leadership, who can deliver. But the zardari Government is not capable to do it as they are also involved in corruption. Each of them protect each other and at the same time blackmail to get more lootings.
So we need a change to get rid of these terrorists from the society, who are actually exploiters and killer of the innocence poor peoples.
 

butshikan

Councller (250+ posts)
rahat said:
The peoples like altaf and others are the agents of Hindus and are paid to complete their agenda with the help of so-called middle class of Karachi. Actually this class is a privileged class who has exploited the whole nation. The resources generated by the nation were / are being lavishly spend on this small segment of the nation, while the real generator of national wealth are living in a deprived conditions. They never allowed any development on the rural parts and all the resources being diverted to the small urban portion to benefit this privileged class.
But now time has changed and their is awakens in the nation which will not allow to continue this exploitations.

MQM is based on terrorism, corruption, bhatta khori. The only way to clean Karachi from these evils is the presence of firm and committed leadership, who can deliver. But the zardari Government is not capable to do it as they are also involved in corruption. Each of them protect each other and at the same time blackmail to get more lootings.
So we need a change to get rid of these terrorists from the society, who are actually exploiters and killer of the innocence poor peoples.

Here we go again [wall]

Nahin Juryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Bhaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii rehammmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :D
 

avatar

Councller (250+ posts)
Total Frustration and smoke coming out from PTI supporters after zillat amez sikhast. They are should take some medicine so that they could sleep well.

PTI waloon ko har ka itna sadma ky ky bichary khud hi post karry ahin khud hi comments kar ray hain ur khud hi hans ray hain. Dont worry yar esa hota hy. sharm karo ur gandey pani main doop maro. [hilar] [hilar]
 

avatar

Councller (250+ posts)
Total Frustration and smoke coming out from PTI supporters after zillat amez sikhast. They are should take some medicine so that they could sleep well.

PTI waloon ko har ka itna sadma ky ky bichary khud hi post karry ahin khud hi comments kar ray hain ur khud hi hans ray hain. Dont worry yar esa hota hy. sharm karo ur gandey pani main doop maro. [hilar] [hilar]
 

rahat

Senator (1k+ posts)
MQM is based on terrorism, corruption, bhatta khori. The only way to clean Karachi from these evils is the presence of firm and committed leadership, who can deliver. But the zardari Government is not capable to do it as they are also involved in corruption. Each of them protect each other and at the same time blackmail to get more lootings.
So we need a change to get rid of these terrorists from the society, who are actually exploiters and killer of the innocence poor peoples.
 

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