Desprado was right all along; Shaukat Tarin must be tried for treason!

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
"Give us a little time, an incompetent person like me will deliver for you" he said. "
Yes, an incompetent person like me first destroy all the hard work of my predecessor Hafeez Sheikh in 3 months, and then I lie to people about giving relief. It's better for him if he resigned than to cause more damage to Pakistan's economy.
 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
He will not comeback and Shahbaz Shrif government will full of technocrats and will 100% better than PTI excuses.

Where ever there is a technocrats government backed by Army like Zia, Ayub and Musharf they always deliver and becomes the mind in Pakistan.

This is what Shaukat Tarin said it means that PTI has forward the massage.

"He said the secretary of finance is still in Washington. Tarin said the country's economic situation will improve. "Give us a little time, an incompetent person like me will deliver for you" he said. "

Even if you import Nobel winner technocrats, there are only two ways to it. Hafiz Sheikh's way with a high-interest rate, no CAD deficit, import control, less revenue, low growth and no jobs OR eat up all the reserves and do what Tareen is doing to get growth and jobs. Shahbaz will go for the second. He will make people happy but then leave it close to bankruptcy as the last MLN government did.
 

arifkarim

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
پہلے تین سال میں نون لیگ کا کرنٹ خسارہ بھی اس قدر زیادہ نہیں تھا ، صرف آخری سال بڑھا ، خان کی حکومت اسی طرف جارہی ہے اور چوتھے سال میں ہی نون لیگ کا ریکارڈ توڑ دے گی ، پھر نون لیگ کے پاس اس کی ایک وجہ تھی کہ ملک میں بجلی کے کارخانے لگ لگ رہے تھے اور انفراسٹرکچر کے منصوبے لگ رہے تھے ، اس حکومت کی سب سے بڑی امپورٹ مشینری یا انڈسٹری کیلئے خام مال کی بجائے سٹیپل فوڈ آئیٹمز کی امپورٹ ہے یا لگژری گاڑیوں کی امپورٹ ہے ،تب سٹیپل فوڈ میں ہم خود کفیل تھے اور لگژری گاڑیوں پر ٹیکس زیادہ تھا
بہرحال آپ کی حکومت تاریخی خسارہ چھوڑ کر گئی تھی جسے اسٹیبل کرتے کرتے عمران حکومت کو تین سال لگے۔ ہر حکومت اگر آنے والی حکومت کیلئے اتنا خسارہ چھوڑ کر جائے گی تو ملک کی معیشت مستقل بنیادوں پر ٹھیک کیسے ہو گی؟
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Resilient

Minister (2k+ posts)
It is a mix of politics and beliefs. Can't satisfy people with inflation then what is the next thing close to people's hearts especially in Punjab? the religion of course. Another way to look at it is that he is ultra-religious and superstitious. You must have seen that video showing some mysterious red cloth hanging to all the trees on either side of Bani gala road leading to his house. I think it is a mix of both.
I also think that IK has given up on getting prices under control. And would like the army to fire his government so that Shahbaz can feel the burn of economic meltdown and he can do the opposition until people forget his failures and start shouting at Shahbaz. Possibly he sees that as a way to make a comeback in 2023.
شاہد بھائی مغرب کے چڑوں اور دوپہر کے چڑوں میں کیا فرق ہے؟؟

https://twitter.com/x/status/1449819194762145794
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Sums up.

"It already has had four finance ministers, seven FBR chairmen, seven ministers or advisers in the energy ministry and five finance secretaries in three years. That alone explains a large part of the policy direction. The outcomes are thus unpredictable for the people and the national economy and uncertain about the political future of the ruling party and its supporters."

"The journey that the PTI government started after coming to power to control the current account deficit through the exchange rate, interest rates and hike in duties and taxes and energy rates that jammed economic growth appear moving in the opposite direction as far as results are concerned. Imports are rising much faster than exports as economic activities started to turn positive after a year of negative growth. Led by record food prices, the inflation rate had been a permanent challenge all these three years."
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
I blame PTI fanboys for this.
"With a sudden change of teams at finance ministry in April, there was a wish to take a fresh start which was oblivious of reality on ground. The plan was to put IMF conditions on freeze, and accelerate the paddle on growth. The “loot-sale” budget was presented with an assumption that commodity prices shall ease and government would be able to capitalize on the current account surplus. The party was short lived. Commodity prices, as was expected, are now at multiyear high and are showing no signs of cooling off. The current account deficit has grown sharply, and the blessings of IMF are becoming imperative for sustaining external account stability."

Dollar Reached 173. 2.25 rupee devalued in 2 hr. Not even default country faces this kind of crisis.

Wake up Pak Okara Will_Bite desan Hussain1967 knowledge88 arifkarim AZ1 Sonya Khan Wake Up Pakistan
 

Resilient

Minister (2k+ posts)
مجھے شبہ ہے یہ سرکاری نوکر چڑے کی بجائے چڑی پکڑ رہے ہیں اسی لئے منتر جنتر الٹے پڑ گئے ہیں​

وہی تو ، اب خان بیچارہ کیا کرے ، یہاں کوئی اپنا کام ٹھیک طریقے سے کرنے کو تیار نہیں ہے ، چڑوں کی بجائے چڑیاں پکڑ لاتے ہیں اور پھر وقت کا بھی خیال نہیں رکھتے ، اب ملک کیسے ترقی کرے؟؟
 

AhmadSaleem264

Minister (2k+ posts)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732630199607307 https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732634456821768 https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732638659551232 https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732642174345222
Bringing Shaukat Tarin as finance minister is so far the worst decision of PM Imran Khan after Usman Buzdar fiasco in Punjab.

Desprado I salute you again for speaking the truth despite repeated abuse by Insafians here...
The people here are missing a lot. Jumping to quick conclusions and finding scapegoats. Without reasoning on the data. The import bill increased because of 2 reasons.
1) Increase in the import bill because of increased prices. This caused the majority of the hike in the import bill. Our food and petrol price bills have hiked a lot because of global inflation.
2) Increase in the number of import commodities. This is the point of Desprado that we increased our imports and hence the import bill. However, this point is not responsible for the majority of the increase in our bill hike. Two sectors showed growth in the number of imports. One is the machinery under the CPEC projects and the other one is the increase in the number of vehicles. Now out of this whole scenario he just picked up vehicles and declared them the reason for the hike in import bill. Now that claim is not data-based. There was a hike in the vehicle import bill but it was a minor contribution to the bill. Opening car imports was also necessary to break the cartelization of the companies and to bring down the own on new cars. Own in Pakistan is a new thing that artificially inflates the prices of vehicles and a lot of capital gets parked in the terms of owns. That own amount got spent in a totally nonproductive way by the middle men.
Following are some links

 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
The people here are missing a lot. Jumping to quick conclusions and finding scapegoats. Without reasoning on the data. The import bill increased because of 2 reasons.
1) Increase in the import bill because of increased prices. This caused the majority of the hike in the import bill. Our food and petrol price bills have hiked a lot because of global inflation.
2) Increase in the number of import commodities. This is the point of Desprado that we increased our imports and hence the import bill. However, this point is not responsible for the majority of the increase in our bill hike. Two sectors showed growth in the number of imports. One is the machinery under the CPEC projects and the other one is the increase in the number of vehicles. Now out of this whole scenario he just picked up vehicles and declared them the reason for the hike in import bill. Now that claim is not data-based. There was a hike in the vehicle import bill but it was a minor contribution to the bill. Opening car imports was also necessary to break the cartelization of the companies and to bring down the own on new cars. Own in Pakistan is a new thing that artificially inflates the prices of vehicles and a lot of capital gets parked in the terms of owns. That own amount got spent in a totally nonproductive way by the middle men.
Following are some links

3 rupee devalued in just 2 hr.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1449995185132380160
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
The people here are missing a lot. Jumping to quick conclusions and finding scapegoats. Without reasoning on the data. The import bill increased because of 2 reasons.
1) Increase in the import bill because of increased prices. This caused the majority of the hike in the import bill. Our food and petrol price bills have hiked a lot because of global inflation.
2) Increase in the number of import commodities. This is the point of Desprado that we increased our imports and hence the import bill. However, this point is not responsible for the majority of the increase in our bill hike. Two sectors showed growth in the number of imports. One is the machinery under the CPEC projects and the other one is the increase in the number of vehicles. Now out of this whole scenario he just picked up vehicles and declared them the reason for the hike in import bill. Now that claim is not data-based. There was a hike in the vehicle import bill but it was a minor contribution to the bill. Opening car imports was also necessary to break the cartelization of the companies and to bring down the own on new cars. Own in Pakistan is a new thing that artificially inflates the prices of vehicles and a lot of capital gets parked in the terms of owns. That own amount got spent in a totally nonproductive way by the middle men.
Following are some links

This is happening because Shaukat Tarin give subsidy to Importers, reduce tax on cars and entire budget depends on 80% custom duty sale tax collection.

It is happening because they give subsidy in Petrol prices, which created Artifical demand and cherry on top was reducing cars prices and its finance installments.

Also another icing was that they forced -3% negative interest rate, which was the main culprit in creating demand for imports and delaying in increasing Tariff made more Artificial demand that increased more imports.

So in short, Entire budget has to redone according to IMF so that taxes are not based on import and FY 2021-2022 is RIP as it all depend on custom duty taxes.
 

Nice2MU

President (40k+ posts)
It is a mix of politics and beliefs. Can't satisfy people with inflation then what is the next thing close to people's hearts especially in Punjab? the religion of course. Another way to look at it is that he is ultra-religious and superstitious. You must have seen that video showing some mysterious red cloth hanging to all the trees on either side of Bani gala road leading to his house. I think it is a mix of both.
I also think that IK has given up on getting prices under control. And would like the army to fire his government so that Shahbaz can feel the burn of economic meltdown and he can do the opposition until people forget his failures and start shouting at Shahbaz. Possibly he sees that as a way to make a comeback in 2023.

عمران کو کچھ آیا یا نہیں لیکن ڈھنگ کی عورت سے شادی نہ کرنا آیا۔۔ کبھی انگریز، کبھی بازاری اور کبھی ہیرنی۔۔ حد ہے خان کی چوائس کی بھی۔

ویسے یہی کام فائنانس منسٹر کی چوائس میں بھی کیا ہے۔۔۔ دو مختلف سوچ والے وزراء۔۔

یہ فضول رسومات اس خود ساختہ پیرنی نے شروع کروائے ہیں۔
 

eccentric

MPA (400+ posts)
https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732630199607307 https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732634456821768 https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732638659551232 https://twitter.com/x/status/1449732642174345222
Bringing Shaukat Tarin as finance minister is so far the worst decision of PM Imran Khan after Usman Buzdar fiasco in Punjab.

Desprado I salute you again for speaking the truth despite repeated abuse by Insafians here...
ST might not stick longer as he is failing on no. of fronts. Khan tried his best to keep Haffiz Shaikh as FM but the circumstances were created that he has to leave. Who created this circumstances same Haram**** parties that are barking now. Sometimes wrong ppl do come in the ranks they will be filtered. Having said that not everything is lost there is still high confidence in IK from Overseas, as we know things everywhere in the world have turned upside down it's very unfair to blame this govt, however there are some heavy weakness in governance due to IK stubbornness, someone has to talk sense to him.
 

eccentric

MPA (400+ posts)
Hafeez or no Hafeez the problem started when Imran Khan delayed IMF program again just like Asad Umar and all external outflows got from 30 MPH to 500 MPH and that is what happen and now IMF is giving more harsh condition than March 2021 due to CAD, Lose Fiscal policy, import base budget.
I think that had passed when we reached 4+ growth with almost 0 CAD. That was actually job well done. What happened at start was inexperience, largely accepted by everyone. You are simply ignoring politics involve at IMF level, you should be aware uncle sam doesn't want IK to be at PM office anymore, they will do everything to twist his arm. You will see this will open up with time.
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
I think that had passed when we reached 4+ growth with almost 0 CAD. That was actually job well done. What happened at start was inexperience, largely accepted by everyone. You are simply ignoring politics involve at IMF level, you should be aware uncle sam doesn't want IK to be at PM office anymore, they will do everything to twist his arm. You will see this will open up with time.
Uncle sam made PM to do 4 billion CAD, created Subsidy on petrol prices, fixed priced of sugar and Wheat caused artificial demand, uncle sam said to pm you should force negative interest rate, uncle sam said to pm that budget should be depend on cars growth and entire budget depends on 80% custom duty sales tax.

Everything is not conspiracies. That is why PTI is failing.
 

AhmadSaleem264

Minister (2k+ posts)
This is happening because Shaukat Tarin give subsidy to Importers, reduce tax on cars and entire budget depends on 80% custom duty sale tax collection.

It is happening because they give subsidy in Petrol prices, which created Artifical demand and cherry on top was reducing cars prices and its finance installments.

Also another icing was that they forced -3% negative interest rate, which was the main culprit in creating demand for imports and delaying in increasing Tariff made more Artificial demand that increased more imports.

So in short, Entire budget has to redone according to IMF so that taxes are not based on import and FY 2021-2022 is RIP as it all depend on custom duty taxes.
Your argument doesn't stand up to validity because the only imports that increased were cars and when seen in percentages they dont have a big share. The big share belongs to oil food and cpec. These are essential imports and we didn't increase their numbers they just got expensive globally. You cant increase the demand of petrol and food artificially
 

Doom1111

Minister (2k+ posts)
Your argument doesn't stand up to validity because the only imports that increased were cars and when seen in percentages they dont have a big share. The big share belongs to oil food and cpec. These are essential imports and we didn't increase their numbers they just got expensive globally. You cant increase the demand of petrol and food artificially
When you do not pass the real prices of food and petrol it creates demand. Real Petrol value is PKR 180 and India and Bangladesh is not stupid like Pakistan where are giving subsidy for food items and petrol.
 

eccentric

MPA (400+ posts)
Uncle sam made PM to do 4 billion CAD, created Subsidy on petrol prices, fixed priced of sugar and Wheat caused artificial demand, uncle sam said to pm you should force negative interest rate, uncle sam said to pm that budget should be depend on cars growth and entire budget depends on 80% custom duty sales tax.

Everything is not conspiracies. That is why PTI is failing.
You are jumping arguments you brought IMF first, now you are jumping to commodities. You are making too much fuss out of CAD, this year will be tough not just for PK but all import based countries. You fail to see basic society failures over-population, lack of will to educate yourself, begging govt fro subsidies and most of all death of morality. These are core problems in the society, without fixing this PK will keep reeling on the knees. You have to be honest and fair in your assessment. You criticize each and every move that actually means you have agenda.
 

ahameed

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
پہلے تین سال میں نون لیگ کا کرنٹ خسارہ بھی اس قدر زیادہ نہیں تھا ، صرف آخری سال بڑھا ، خان کی حکومت اسی طرف جارہی ہے اور چوتھے سال میں ہی نون لیگ کا ریکارڈ توڑ دے گی ، پھر نون لیگ کے پاس اس کی ایک وجہ تھی کہ ملک میں بجلی کے کارخانے لگ لگ رہے تھے اور انفراسٹرکچر کے منصوبے لگ رہے تھے ، اس حکومت کی سب سے بڑی امپورٹ مشینری یا انڈسٹری کیلئے خام مال کی بجائے سٹیپل فوڈ آئیٹمز کی امپورٹ ہے یا لگژری گاڑیوں کی امپورٹ ہے ،تب سٹیپل فوڈ میں ہم خود کفیل تھے اور لگژری گاڑیوں پر ٹیکس زیادہ تھا
ن لیگ کے آخری سال کے مشینری امپورٹ کے فگرز کیا تھے؟
 

Shahid Abassi

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
عمران کو کچھ آیا یا نہیں لیکن ڈھنگ کی عورت سے شادی نہ کرنا آیا۔۔ کبھی انگریز، کبھی بازاری اور کبھی ہیرنی۔۔ حد ہے خان کی چوائس کی بھی۔

ویسے یہی کام فائنانس منسٹر کی چوائس میں بھی کیا ہے۔۔۔ دو مختلف سوچ والے وزراء۔۔

یہ فضول رسومات اس خود ساختہ پیرنی نے شروع کروائے ہیں۔
ویسے یہ پیروں وغیرہ کے پاس جانے کا کام عمران خان اپنے کرکٹ کھیلنے کے دنوں میں بھی کیا کرتا تھا حالنکہ اس وقت یہ شباب و کباب کا بھی دلداہ تھا۔ میرے خیال میں یہ والدہ کی فیملی کے اثرات تھے جو اس میں بچپن سے سرائیت کئے ہوئے ہیں۔
 

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