Deen - o - Danish - 26th September 2010--Topic: What does Islam say about Democracy?

[muhraheel]

 

[atensari]

 

[mistehbab]

Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

Video: Islam Main Jamhuriyat Ki Haqeeqat
Speaker: Dr. Israr Ahmad

12-September-2010
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Source: Youtube Channel: ziarecord

 

[babadeena]

I have not checked the videos, but I give my point of view on this. First of All, one has to understand the literal meaning of
religion and democracy:
a) Religion contains a set of unseen concepts, laid-down principles and practices established by a divine authority known
as "The God", which a human in his/her individual capacity or the society as a whole, believes, accepts and performs.
b) Democracy: is a process wherein two or more than two parties, depending upon their ideologies, form the ways and
methods to govern a country, ostensibly for the bettermen of its masses and the country itself. The "choice of selection" is embowed to
people and it is their sovereign right.
In a country, where people are not fair to their religion and parties have already any ideologies except to loot and plunder
the wealth of the nation, has no right to get the answer from an institution called religion.

 

[atensari]

In a country, where people are not fair to their religion and parties have already any ideologies except to loot and plunder
the wealth of the nation, has no right to get the answer from an institution called religion.

Any good values we have in our country are due to religion, if remain religious values are taken out beside existing corruption, nepotism, lawlessness, linguist and regional hate will also have:

1. free sex open nudity
2. increasing number of bas tards
3. gay and lesbians
4. same sex marriages
5. day cares centers and old age home
6. pub, bar, casinos at every corner

We are surviving only due to remaining religious values as these values will deteriorate we will too. We you want above qualities in your coming generations go-ahead instead religion run faster towards Secularism and Western Democracy

 

[babadeena]

Any good values we have in our country are due to religion, if remain religious values are taken out beside existing corruption, nepotism, lawlessness, linguist and regional hate will also have:

1. free sex open nudity
2. increasing number of bas tards
3. gay and lesbians
4. same sex marriages
5. day cares centers and old age home
6. pub, bar, casinos at every corner

We are surviving only due to remaining religious values as these values will deteriorate we will too. We you want above qualities in your coming generations go-ahead instead religion run faster towards Secularism and Western Democracy

I suggest you please read my post again, I am afraid you mis-understood it and grossly made mis-calculations?
BTW enlighten me that if all those six ills which u have mentioned are due to a form of government called democracy or it is due to some other reasons?

 

[atensari]

I suggest you please read my post again, I am afraid you mis-understood it and grossly made mis-calculations?
BTW enlighten me that if all those six ills which u have mentioned are due to a form of government called democracy or it is due to some other reasons?

When human became sovereign and majority becomes authority over Divine Guidance, which Western Democracy is in its true sense, as Christens did by abandoning the Mosaics Law these evils came out. If majority exercise their right to decided within the limits drawn by Religion these evils can not out spread in socity.

 

[Bret Hawk]

Atensari sahib I think it could be better for you to bang your head to the walls or play some flute in front of an ass but to argue with this fool will reap no benefits to you except disillusionment and avarice. This jackass “Baba Bay-Deena (or may be Maa ka D---A)” knows and vehemently follow this prime philosophy of “Better than Thou” and “Know it All” on almost every issue & topic if someone (Mistakenly) wants to discuss with him.

 

[atensari]

Atensari sahib I think it could be better for you ....

Brother, my responsibility is to convey what I think is correct, result is in some one else hands.

 

[babadeena]

Atensari sahib I think it could be better for you to bang your head to the walls or play some flute in front of an ass but to argue with this fool will reap no benefits to you except disillusionment and avarice. This jackass “Baba Bay-Deena (or may be Maa ka D---A)” knows and vehemently follow this prime philosophy of “Better than Thou” and “Know it All” on almost every issue & topic if someone (Mistakenly) wants to discuss with him.

Your r literally coward. Cannot face an argument supported from Quran. Your mentality is to expect everyone to dance at your tune and unfortunately
with me that is not the case. You have to learn to live with me. I do not go low to your level of street language.

 

[babadeena]

When human became sovereign and majority becomes authority over Divine Guidance, which Western Democracy is in its true sense, as Christens did by abandoning the Mosaics Law these evils came out. If majority exercise their right to decided within the limits drawn by Religion these evils can not out spread in socity.

Suppose if People are following "Divine Guidance", then can they adopt "democracy"
-- or you are of the view that since "democracy" is from West, then it is bad, so on this criteria other things are bad which are from West, should we leave them also!!!
--- Be specific and please entlighten us "that Allah has framed this form of government for believers. Just pasting clips of Dr. Israr do not serve the purpose.
--- Even Dr. Israr accepted that "democracy" is acceptable provided it is within the rules of Almighty Allah, do you agree to that or since "democracy" is a western style of government, we should never have it. Please give your own views. Who is called that authority, who
gave the kingdom to that King, who argued with Ibrahim(as), Dr. Israr forgot to mention that also? Can u take on that ?

 

[atensari]

Suppose if People are following "Divine Guidance", then can they adopt "democracy"

Please read the last sentence again "if majority exercise their right to decided within the limits drawn by Religion these evils can not out spread in socity."

 

[babadeena]

Then the necessity is to become muslims in real sense, that can be done in or under any form of "governance", what is therefore
need to spread hate against the democracy. If people are really in true sense muslims then the form of government is irrelevant. Therefore,
bringing Democracy verses Islam is nothing but heart-squeezed mentality.

 

[atensari]

Then the necessity is to become muslims in real sense, that can be done in or under any form of "governance", what is therefore need to spread hate against the democracy. If people are really in true sense muslims then the form of government is irrelevant. Therefore,bringing Democracy verses Islam is nothing but heart-squeezed mentality.

Individual to be good Muslim is primary requirement and the primary responsibility of the Govt. is to provide the environment which help Muslims to live their lives according to Islam. If Govt. is promoting or keep its eyes closed on un-Islamic activities it is doing opposite what it should do.

Islam came in opposition to Democracy when constitutional, political, legislative and social decisions are made on the authority of majority instead authority of Islam.