contra: Iran blames Pakistan for attack

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
sher khan bhai,
1. You are giving the example of Mumbai again and again, and i fail to understand the connection...

2. How does Mumbai fit into this argument?
If a country uses India as a base to launch attack on one of India's neighbours (terrorist attack), that's when the situation will be like the one being discussed here.

3. You are giving example of terrorist groups. If these terrorist groups had used India to launch attacks on any other country, then your argument will be valid.
You seem to be mixing up these two separate issues.
 

peace

Councller (250+ posts)
contra change the post name to "Iran blames Pakistan, US and Britain for attack" as that is the most recent allegations by Iran.

Iran blames US, Britain, and Pakistan for bombings
Updated at: 0714 PST, Tuesday, October 20, 2009
Iran blames US, Britain, and Pakistan for bombings TEHRAN: Iran stepped up accusations on Monday against the US, Britain, and Pakistan, saying all three countries have links to a Sunni group blamed for Sunday's suicide blast that killed more than 40, including at least five senior members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

http://www.geo.tv/10-20-2009/51282.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/world/middleeast/20iran.html
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
contra said:
sher khan bhai,
1. You are giving the example of Mumbai again and again, and i fail to understand the connection...

2. How does Mumbai fit into this argument?
If a country uses India as a base to launch attack on one of India's neighbours (terrorist attack), that's when the situation will be like the one being discussed here.

3. You are giving example of terrorist groups. If these terrorist groups had used India to launch attacks on any other country, then your argument will be valid.
You seem to be mixing up these two separate issues.

Contra:

In summary, the point i am making is that I don't agree with your opinion that the primary issue is that a country's soil is being used to damage another country. The issue is the intelligence failure of the country, whose soil is being used, to identify the possibility of inceptions of such plans. Hence intelligence failure, period. It does not matter whether the target of the terrorist plan is the country on which the plan is designed or another country.

It is evident from other terrorist incidents that intelligence can't be effective 100% all the time. As evident from the 9/11 and Mumbai attacks. US and India were not able to avoid the attacks. Hence it is unfair to expect the Pakistni intelligence to avoid all the terrorist incidents and planning. Even more unfair is the to say that Pakistan is not doing anything about it. Our soldiers are giving up their lives to fight these terrorists aid by foreign countries (including India). Pakistan itself is a target of terrorism.

Assume for a second that the allegation that the terrorists used the Pakistani soil is true then the only thing that can be done now is to share the evidence as quickly as possible so that the culprits don't get away. The reason being, Pakistani army is already fighting the terrorists in the region that is currently being questioned.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
sher khan bhai,
1. I still disagree with you.
See, a country can take certain actions if it believes that its territory is being used by another country to harm a third country.
eg. Closing down consulates, removal of staff etc.

2. From the news reports quoted in this thread, it is clear that it was known to all that US and to an extent Uk were using Pakistan as a base to carryout activities inside Iran.
Now why didn't your government do anything?

3. Anyway, i think we can agree to disagree on this issue.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
contra said:
sher khan bhai,
1. I still disagree with you.
See, a country can take certain actions if it believes that its territory is being used by another country to harm a third country.
eg. Closing down consulates, removal of staff etc.

2. From the news reports quoted in this thread, it is clear that it was known to all that US and to an extent Uk were using Pakistan as a base to carryout activities inside Iran.
Now why didn't your government do anything?

3. Anyway, i think we can agree to disagree on this issue.

1. India is claiming that ISI backed organizations were involved in Mumbai attacks. It claims that ISI is a terrorist organization and contributes to fund the terrorists who plan to hurt India even as you and I have this debate. Has india thrown out the Pakistani ambassador from new delhi? India is also claiming that Pakistan is not responding effectively to its dossier? Has india pulled out its diplomats from pakistan? Please let me know which consulates were either closed or thrown out by India. Please educate me. I am not aware of any. If none then your argument holds no ground.

2. See above.

3. What ever is convenient for you.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
sher khan bhai,

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your Interior Minister accepted on TV that Pakistani's carried out those attacks, the attacks were planned, financed and directed from Pakistan.
Pakistan became a pariah state.
Why not read the newspapers of those days to see what happened?
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
contra said:
sher khan bhai,

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Your Interior Minister accepted on TV that Pakistani's carried out those attacks, the attacks were planned, financed and directed from Pakistan.
Pakistan became a pariah state.
Why not read the newspapers of those days to see what happened?

Even a better reason for India to throw out the Pakistani ambassador from new delhi and pull out its own ambassador from Islamabad.
So when are you guys going to do it? Any time line?
If you have already done it then please provide me with the dates.

Here is a hint on something. The biggest indicator of a loss of an argument is that one of the parties involved in the argument (the one that lost), starts to recommend infeasible and nonviable solutions to a problem being argued.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Assalam-o-alaikum
Sher Khan bhai, you are SHER ... Well said Jaza-k-ALLAH brother.. Contra will not reply to your logic i am sure. From past week postings by him i have come to conclusion that he just love to make comments on comments not accepting it.. Our brothers have accepted what is truth or what they believe is right, but on the other hand he & his partners will always be in denial mode.. May ALLAH give us hidayat & to him..
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=25100

Pakistan tells Iran: Jundallah, TTP and LJ are involved

Tuesday, October 20, 2009

By Amir Mir

LAHORE: Islamabadhas informed Tehran that Jundallah (or Soldiers of God), thePakistan-based anti-Shia militant outfit, which has claimedresponsibility for the October 18 deadly suicide attack in Zahedan,targeting Iranian Revolutionary Guards, is carrying out coordinatedterrorist operations with the help of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan(TTP) and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LJ), to undermine Pak-Iran ties.

Accordingto well-placed interior ministry sources in Islamabad, the explanationhas been conveyed to Tehran after the Iranian President MahmoudAhmadinejad alleged that Sundays mayhem in Tehran had been plottedfrom neighbouring Pakistan. Ahmadinejad had further alleged thatAbdolmalek Rigi, the chief of the Jundallah, who has claimedresponsibility for the attack, operates from Pakistan.

Sourcessaid during his Mondays telephonic conversation with President AsifZardari, his Iranian counterpart expressed deep concern over thefailure of the Pakistani authorities to proceed against the Jundallahnetwork in Balochistan and elsewhere despite having been providedspecific intelligence information by Tehran. He said the Tehran attackcould have been averted had Islamabad acted in time on the Iranianintelligence information.

While responding to the Iranianallegations, the ministry of interior has informed the concernedauthorities in Tehran through the Pakistani ambassador that the October10 Fidayeen attack on the General Headquarters of the Pakistan Army wasalso a coordinated operation which was carried out jointly by a selectgroup of highly trained militants belonging to the Tehrik-e-TalibanPakistan with the help of at least two Punjab-based militantorganisations the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the Jaish-e-Mohammad. Theauthorities in Islamabad have conveyed in their post Sunday attacktalks with their Iranian counterparts that the enemies of Iran andPakistan are common and are trying to sabotage the recently signedPak-Iran gas pipeline project. The Iranian authorities were alsoapprised of the intelligence reports regarding a recent meeting betweenAbdul Malik Rigi and some top notches of the TTP.

TheOctober 18 suicide attack was not the first such incident blamed onPakistan. On May 28, 2009, Jundallah had carried out a deadly suicidebombing inside the Amirul Momenin Mosque in Zahedan, inSistan-Balochistan province of Iran, killing 25 people. Pakistaniambassador to Tehran MB Abbasi was subsequently summoned by the Iranianforeign ministry and told that three Pakistanis - Haji Noti Zehi,Gholam Rasoul Zehi and Zabihollah Naroui have already confessed tosmuggling explosives into Iran from Balochistan and passing them overto the suicide bomber. The trio was subsequently hanged in public inZahedan on May 30. Almost a week after the hanging, hundreds of Balochwomen and children took out a protest rally in Quetta on June 9, 2009and threatened to target the Iranian nationals in Pakistan, as areaction to the execution of the five Baloch nationals by the Iraniangovernment.

Jundallah, also known in Iran as the Rigi group(after its ringleader, Abdul Malik Rigi), is a rebel militant group ofIranian Baloch, who claims to represent their minoritys rights inIrans southeast province of Sistan-Balochistan. Their hideout is inPakistani Balochistan. Iran directly blames Jundallah for a series ofcross-border guerrilla operations that have been going on since 2003,killing mostly Iranian soldiers and border guards. In the wake of theOctober 18 suicide bombing in Tehran, Islamabad faces tremendouspressure to arrest and extradite Jundallah chief Rigi, who is believedto be based in Balochistan. While asserting that the Pakistanilaw-enforcement agencies were making efforts to dismantle the Jundallahnetwork from Balochistan, authoritative sources in the ministry ofinterior pointed out that the militant organisation in question hasactually stepped up its anti-Iran activities following the June 15,2008 extradition of Abdul Hamid Rigi, the brother of Jundallah chief,Abdolmalek Rigi, from Pakistan to Iran. Rigi is now being tried by anIranian court on terrorism charges.

Initially, patronised bylate Taliban commander Nek Mohammad, the Pakistan chapter of Jundallahusually draws its cadre from Jihadi and sectarian groups like theSipah-e-Sahaba and the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi.

Lt-Gen Ahsan SalimHayat, former corps commander of Karachi, was one of those high-profilepersonalities to have been targeted by the Pakistan chapter ofJundallah on June 10, 2004, killing 11 people including seven Armypersonnel when his convoy was ambushed near the Clifton bridge. Interestingly,there are those in the Pakistani establishment who insist thatJundullah was actually created by the mastermind of 9/11 attacks,Khalid Sheikh Muhammad. He was arrested in March 2003 fromRawalpindi and handed over to the Americans, after which Jundallah wentwild. Soon after the Karachi attempt on the corps commander, the policewere able to apprehend a group of Jundullah terrorists headed by anArab, Musab Aruchi, who turned out to be a nephew of Khalid Sheikh witha million dollars on his head.

Jundallahwas not without its support system in the port city of Karachi as itproceeded to avenge the arrest and handover of its mastermind after2003. The support system included two MBBS doctors. Dr Akmal Wahid, anorthopaedic surgeon, and his younger brother Dr Arshad Wahid, a heartspecialist, were convicted in 2005 by an anti-terrorism court whichsent them behind bars for 18 years on charges of causing disappearanceof evidence by harbouring and providing medical treatment to activistsof banned Jundallah group. There were protest marches in Karachi andLahore by pious doctors when the two doctors were sentenced. As DrArshad Wahid was bailed out almost a year later, he got killed in a USmissile attack in the Wana on March 16, 2009. According to recentintelligence information passed on to the ministry of interior, theJundallah network is still active in Karachi and intends to carry outhostage taking operation for the release of its leader Sheikh AttaurRehman alias Zubair, who is currently imprisoned in Karachi Centraljail after the Anti-Violent Crime Unit arrested him in 2003 from hishideout in Model colony, Karachi.
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
The Real Face of Jundullah

Please watch this You Tube Video in order to see the real face of Jundullah

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF-Vx4ewYsg[/video]

Main Points:

1. al-Arabiya TV of Saudia interviewed this Terrorist Rigi.

2. Just watch how Uncle of these Rigi brothers (along with other relatives) is cursing upon them and telling how they are misguided one.

3. And then you would be able to see the Imam of Ahle-Sunnah Alim-e-Deen who is cursing these Rigi brothers and describing the reasons for this.
Also those people, who are impressed with American Propaganda that Iran does Zulm upon Sunni Brothers, they should watch this Ahle Sunnah Alim-e-Deen.
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These brothers should come out of propaganda by the enemies, and watch the reality themselves. Otherwise go to Iran and watch is for yourself First hand.

4. 4. Both these Rigi brothers were married to Shia Women & have children with them..... and after becoming prey of Takfiri Group, both of them slaughtered their respective Shia Wives, the mothers of their children. Just tell us whom have these Innocent Women killed that they got this treatment?

Inna lillahe wa inna ilaihi Rajioon.

http://www.nejatngo.org/en/post.aspx?id=2577
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
@CONTRA & THEIR MATES,

Brothers, we do respect all of u guys. But the way which is being adopted by u is not good, is it??? Biomat rightly said that you people are here in this forum only for the sake of comments, its good do comments as harsh as u can, but try to see and swallow the other's pills as well.
KEEP IN UR MIND HERE YOU ARE AMONG EDUCATED PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN, you cannot potrat the scene as you guys wish. :x :x

Even in this thread, for instance ............ ignore all irrelevent, ridiculant posts by you guys ................ see and analyze ................
You received dozens of posts full of evidences, ...... and you ........... still denying and try to turn the page. :x :x
its nothing except piece of stupidity. anyway keep it up. we are here for you all the time :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

mehwish_ali

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Terrorist Jundullah & United States of America

Here you would find the evidences of United States of America officially helping Jundullah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah

Another strongest Proof is witness of Mr. Abdul Hamid Rigi, the No. 2 of Jundullah, the brother of Abdul Malik Rigi. (Please see the video above posted by me).
 

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