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:P Pakistan blamed for attack on Revolutionary Guards :P

Iran's foreign ministry has summoned a senior Pakistani diplomat in Tehran after a suicide bomber killed at least 35 people in an attack against the country's Revolutionary Guards. :cry:

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says Iran has received information that " :evil: some security agents :evil: " in Pakistan ;) were cooperating with elements behind the suicide attack. :o

Mr Ahmadinejad called on Pakistan not to waste time in cooperating with Iran in apprehending the perpetrators :lol: , the semi-official Fars News Agency reported.

At least 35 people were killed and more than two dozen injured in the attack in Iran's troubled south-east near the Pakistan border on Sunday. Among the dead were at least five senior members the elite Revolutionary Guards. :cry:

The bombing happened as they were on their way to a meeting between rival Sunni and Shiite Muslim communities in the Sistan-Baluchistan area.

The Revolutionary Guards have vowed a "crushing response" to avenge the attack. 8-)

Sunni insurgents in the region have been fighting against Iranian authorities, including the Revolutionary Guards, for years.

The Sunni group :evil: Jundullah :evil: , which has links to :evil: Al Qaeda :evil: , has claimed credit for the attack.

Iran has in the past accused Pakistan of hosting members of the insurgent group, local media reported. ;) :twisted:

The group says the armed struggle it is waging in the region is on behalf of the Baluch minority. :roll:

Some analysts believe Jundullah, or Soldiers of God, has evolved through shifting alliances with various parties, including the :evil: Taliban :evil: and Pakistan's :evil: ISI :evil: intelligence service, who saw the group as a tool against Iran.

"Some security agents in Pakistan are cooperating with the main elements of this terrorist incident," Mr Ahmadinejad said, without giving details.

"We regard it as our right to demand these criminals from them". :P

"We ask the Pakistani government not to delay any longer in the apprehension of the main elements in this terrorist attack." :P

The Pakistani official :lol: assured :lol: Tehran that his country would take all measures to secure its border with Iran, English-language Press TV added.

Earlier, Iran's armed forces accused the United States of involvement by inciting attacks against the Iranian government.

The US has denied it played any part. :)
 

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Annals of National Security
Preparing the Battlefield
The Bush Administration steps up its secret moves against Iran.
by Seymour M. Hersh July 7, 2008

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Operations outside the knowledge and control of commanders have eroded the coherence of military strategy, one general says.

Operations outside the knowledge and control of commanders have eroded the coherence of military strategy, one general says.

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Bush, George W. (Pres.) (43rd);
Foreign Policy;
Presidential Findings;
Covert Operations;
Fallon, William (Admiral);
Congressional Oversight

L ate last year, Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran, according to current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. These operations, for which the President sought up to four hundred million dollars, were described in a Presidential Finding signed by Bush, and are designed to destabilize the countrys religious leadership. The covert activities involve support of the minority Ahwazi Arab and Baluchi groups and other dissident organizations. They also include gathering intelligence about Irans suspected nuclear-weapons program.

Clandestine operations against Iran are not new. United States Special Operations Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq, with Presidential authorization, since last year. These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of high-value targets in the Presidents war on terror, who may be captured or killed. But the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which involve the Central Intelligence Agency and the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), have now been significantly expanded, according to the current and former officials. Many of these activities are not specified in the new Finding, and some congressional leaders have had serious questions about their nature.

Under federal law, a Presidential Finding, which is highly classified, must be issued when a covert intelligence operation gets under way and, at a minimum, must be made known to Democratic and Republican leaders in the House and the Senate and to the ranking members of their respective intelligence committeesthe so-called Gang of Eight. Money for the operation can then be reprogrammed from previous appropriations, as needed, by the relevant congressional committees, which also can be briefed.

The Finding was focussed on undermining Irans nuclear ambitions and trying to undermine the government through regime change, a person familiar with its contents said, and involved working with opposition groups and passing money. The Finding provided for a whole new range of activities in southern Iran and in the areas, in the east, where Baluchi political opposition is strong, he said.

Although some legislators were troubled by aspects of the Finding, and there was a significant amount of high-level discussion about it, according to the source familiar with it, the funding for the escalation was approved. In other words, some members of the Democratic leadershipCongress has been under Democratic control since the 2006 electionswere willing, in secret, to go along with the Administration in expanding covert activities directed at Iran, while the Partys presumptive candidate for President, Barack Obama, has said that he favors direct talks and diplomacy.

The request for funding came in the same period in which the Administration was coming to terms with a National Intelligence Estimate, released in December, that concluded that Iran had halted its work on nuclear weapons in 2003. The Administration downplayed the significance of the N.I.E., and, while saying that it was committed to diplomacy, continued to emphasize that urgent action was essential to counter the Iranian nuclear threat. President Bush questioned the N.I.E.s conclusions, and senior national-security officials, including Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, made similar statements. (So did Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee.) Meanwhile, the Administration also revived charges that the Iranian leadership has been involved in the killing of American soldiers in Iraq: both directly, by dispatching commando units into Iraq, and indirectly, by supplying materials used for roadside bombs and other lethal goods. (There have been questions about the accuracy of the claims; the Times, among others, has reported that significant uncertainties remain about the extent of that involvement.)

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Military and civilian leaders in the Pentagon share the White Houses concern about Irans nuclear ambitions, but there is disagreement about whether a military strike is the right solution. Some Pentagon officials believe, as they have let Congress and the media know, that bombing Iran is not a viable response to the nuclear-proliferation issue, and that more diplomacy is necessary.

A Democratic senator told me that, late last year, in an off-the-record lunch meeting, Secretary of Defense Gates met with the Democratic caucus in the Senate. (Such meetings are held regularly.) Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a premptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, Well create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America. Gatess comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch, and another senator asked whether Gates was speaking for Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney. Gatess answer, the senator told me, was Lets just say that Im here speaking for myself. (A spokesman for Gates confirmed that he discussed the consequences of a strike at the meeting, but would not address what he said, other than to dispute the senators characterization.)

The Joint Chiefs of Staff, whose chairman is Admiral Mike Mullen, were pushing back very hard against White House pressure to undertake a military strike against Iran, the person familiar with the Finding told me. Similarly, a Pentagon consultant who is involved in the war on terror said that at least ten senior flag and general officers, including combatant commandersthe four-star officers who direct military operations around the worldhave weighed in on that issue.

The most outspoken of those officers is Admiral William Fallon, who until recently was the head of U.S. Central Command, and thus in charge of American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. In March, Fallon resigned under pressure, after giving a series of interviews stating his reservations about an armed attack on Iran. For example, late last year he told the Financial Times that the real objective of U.S. policy was to change the Iranians behavior, and that attacking them as a means to get to that spot strikes me as being not the first choice.

Admiral Fallon acknowledged, when I spoke to him in June, that he had heard that there were people in the White House who were upset by his public statements. Too many people believe you have to be either for or against the Iranians, he told me. Lets get serious. Eighty million people live there, and everyones an individual. The idea that theyre only one way or another is nonsense.

When it came to the Iraq war, Fallon said, Did I bitch about some of the things that were being proposed? You bet. Some of them were very stupid.

The Democratic leaderships agreement to commit hundreds of millions of dollars for more secret operations in Iran was remarkable, given the general concerns of officials like Gates, Fallon, and many others. The oversight process has not kept paceits been copted by the Administration, the person familiar with the contents of the Finding said. The process is broken, and this is dangerous stuff were authorizing.

Senior Democrats in Congress told me that they had concerns about the possibility that their understanding of what the new operations entail differs from the White Houses. One issue has to do with a reference in the Finding, the person familiar with it recalled, to potential defensive lethal action by U.S. operatives in Iran. (In early May, the journalist Andrew Cockburn published elements of the Finding in Counterpunch, a newsletter and online magazine.)

The language was inserted into the Finding at the urging of the C.I.A., a former senior intelligence official said. The covert operations set forth in the Finding essentially run parallel to those of a secret military task force, now operating in Iran, that is under the control of JSOC. Under the Bush Administrations interpretation of the law, clandestine military activities, unlike covert C.I.A. operations, do not need to be depicted in a Finding, because the President has a constitutional right to command combat forces in the field without congressional interference. But the borders between operations are not always clear: in Iran, C.I.A. agents and regional assets have the language skills and the local knowledge to make contacts for the JSOC operatives, and have been working with them to direct personnel, matriel, and money into Iran from an obscure base in western Afghanistan. As a result, Congress has been given only a partial view of how the money it authorized may be used. One of JSOCs task-force missions, the pursuit of high-value targets, was not directly addressed in the Finding. There is a growing realization among some legislators that the Bush Administration, in recent years, has conflated what is an intelligence operation and what is a military one in order to avoid fully informing Congress about what it is doing.

This is a big deal, the person familiar with the Finding said. The C.I.A. needed the Finding to do its traditional stuff, but the Finding does not apply to JSOC. The President signed an Executive Order after September 11th giving the Pentagon license to do things that it had never been able to do before without notifying Congress. The claim was that the military was preparing the battle space, and by using that term they were able to circumvent congressional oversight. Everything is justified in terms of fighting the global war on terror. He added, The Administration has been fuzzing the lines; there used to be a shade of graybetween operations that had to be briefed to the senior congressional leadership and those which did notbut now its a shade of mush.

The agency says were not going to get in the position of helping to kill people without a Finding, the former senior intelligence official told me. He was referring to the legal threat confronting some agency operatives for their involvement in the rendition and alleged torture of suspects in the war on terror. This drove the military people up the wall, he said. As far as the C.I.A. was concerned, the former senior intelligence official said, the over-all authorization includes killing, but its not as though thats what theyre setting out to do. Its about gathering information, enlisting support. The Finding sent to Congress was a compromise, providing legal cover for the C.I.A. while referring to the use of lethal force in ambiguous terms.

The defensive-lethal language led some Democrats, according to congressional sources familiar with their views, to call in the director of the C.I.A., Air Force General Michael V. Hayden, for a special briefing. Hayden reassured the legislators that the language did nothing more than provide authority for Special Forces operatives on the ground in Iran to shoot their way out if they faced capture or harm.

The legislators were far from convinced. One congressman subsequently wrote a personal letter to President Bush insisting that no lethal action, period had been authorized within Irans borders. As of June, he had received no answer.

Members of Congress have expressed skepticism in the past about the information provided by the White House. On March 15, 2005, David Obey, then the ranking Democrat on the Republican-led House Appropriations Committee, announced that he was putting aside an amendment that he had intended to offer that day, and that would have cut off all funding for national-intelligence programs unless the President agreed to keep Congress fully informed about clandestine military activities undertaken in the war on terror. He had changed his mind, he said, because the White House promised better coperation. The Executive Branch understands that we are not trying to dictate what they do, he said in a floor speech at the time. We are simply trying to see to it that what they do is consistent with American values and will not get the country in trouble.

Obey declined to comment on the specifics of the operations in Iran, but he did tell me that the White House reneged on its promise to consult more fully with Congress. He said, I suspect theres something going on, but I dont know what to believe. Cheney has always wanted to go after Iran, and if he had more time hed find a way to do it. We still dont get enough information from the agencies, and I have very little confidence that they give us information on the edge.

None of the four Democrats in the Gang of EightSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Intelligence Committee chairman John D. Rockefeller IV, and House Intelligence Committee chairman Silvestre Reyeswould comment on the Finding, with some noting that it was highly classified. An aide to one member of the Democratic leadership responded, on his behalf, by pointing to the limitations of the Gang of Eight process. The notification of a Finding, the aide said, is just thatnotification, and not a sign-off on activities. Proper oversight of ongoing intelligence activities is done by fully briefing the members of the intelligence committee. However, Congress does have the means to challenge the White House once it has been sent a Finding. It has the power to withhold funding for any government operation. The members of the House and Senate Democratic leadership who have access to the Finding can also, if they choose to do so, and if they have shared concerns, come up with ways to exert their influence on Administration policy. (A spokesman for the C.I.A. said, As a rule, we dont comment one way or the other on allegations of covert activities or purported findings. The White House also declined to comment.)

A member of the House Appropriations Committee acknowledged that, even with a Democratic victory in November, it will take another year before we get the intelligence activities under control. He went on, We control the money and they cant do anything without the money. Money is what its all about. But Im very leery of this Administration. He added, This Administration has been so secretive.

One irony of Admiral Fallons departure is that he was, in many areas, in agreement with President Bush on the threat posed by Iran. They had a good working relationship, Fallon told me, and, when he ran CENTCOM, were in regular communication. On March 4th, a week before his resignation, Fallon testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee, saying that he was encouraged about the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Regarding the role played by Irans leaders, he said, Theyve been absolutely unhelpful, very damaging, and I absolutely dont condone any of their activities. And I have yet to see anything since Ive been in this job in the way of a public action by Iran thats been at all helpful in this region.

Fallon made it clear in our conversations that he considered it inappropriate to comment publicly about the President, the Vice-President, or Special Operations. But he said he had heard that people in the White House had been struggling with his views on Iran. When I arrived at CENTCOM, the Iranians were funding every entity inside Iraq. It was in their interest to get us out, and so they decided to kill as many Americans as they could. And why not? They didnt know whod come out ahead, but they wanted us out. I decided that I couldnt resolve the situation in Iraq without the neighborhood. To get this problem in Iraq solved, we had to somehow involve Iran and Syria. I had to work the neighborhood.

Fallon told me that his focus had been not on the Iranian nuclear issue, or on regime change there, but on putting out the fires in Iraq. There were constant discussions in Washington and in the field about how to engage Iran and, on the subject of the bombing option, Fallon said, he believed that it would happen only if the Iranians did something stupid.

Fallons early retirement, however, appears to have been provoked not only by his negative comments about bombing Iran but also by his strong belief in the chain of command and his insistence on being informed about Special Operations in his area of responsibility. One of Fallons defenders is retired Marine General John J. (Jack) Sheehan, whose last assignment was as commander-in-chief of the U.S. Atlantic Command, where Fallon was a deputy. Last year, Sheehan rejected a White House offer to become the Presidents czar for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the reasons the White House selected Fallon for CENTCOM was that hes known to be a strategic thinker and had demonstrated those skills in the Pacific, Sheehan told me. (Fallon served as commander-in-chief of U.S. forces in the Pacific from 2005 to 2007.) He was charged with coming up with an over-all coherent strategy for Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan, and, by law, the combatant commander is responsible for all military operations within his A.O.area of operations. That was not happening, Sheehan said. When Fallon tried to make sense of all the overt and covert activity conducted by the military in his area of responsibility, a small group in the White House leadership shut him out.

The law cited by Sheehan is the 1986 Defense Reorganization Act, known as Goldwater-Nichols, which defined the chain of command: from the President to the Secretary of Defense, through the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and on to the various combatant commanders, who were put in charge of all aspects of military operations, including joint training and logistics. That authority, the act stated, was not to be shared with other echelons of command. But the Bush Administration, as part of its global war on terror, instituted new policies that undercut regional commanders-in-chief; for example, it gave Special Operations teams, at military commands around the world, the highest priority in terms of securing support and equipment. The degradation of the traditional chain of command in the past few years has been a point of tension between the White House and the uniformed military.

The coherence of military strategy is being eroded because of undue civilian influence and direction of nonconventional military operations, Sheehan said. If you have small groups planning and conducting military operations outside the knowledge and control of the combatant commander, by default you cant have a coherent military strategy. You end up with a disaster, like the reconstruction efforts in Iraq.

Admiral Fallon, who is known as Fox, was aware that he would face special difficulties as the first Navy officer to lead CENTCOM, which had always been headed by a ground commander, one of his military colleagues told me. He was also aware that the Special Operations community would be a concern. Fox said that theres a lot of strange stuff going on in Special Ops, and I told him he had to figure out what they were really doing, Fallons colleague said. The Special Ops guys eventually figured out they needed Fox, and so they began to talk to him. Fox would have won his fight with Special Ops but for Cheney.

The Pentagon consultant said, Fallon went down because, in his own way, he was trying to prevent a war with Iran, and you have to admire him for that.

In recent months, according to the Iranian media, there has been a surge in violence in Iran; it is impossible at this early stage, however, to credit JSOC or C.I.A. activities, or to assess their impact on the Iranian leadership. The Iranian press reports are being carefully monitored by retired Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner, who has taught strategy at the National War College and now conducts war games centered on Iran for the federal government, think tanks, and universities. The Iranian press is very open in describing the killings going on inside the country, Gardiner said. It is, he said, a controlled press, which makes it more important that it publishes these things. We begin to see inside the government. He added, Hardly a day goes by now we dont see a clash somewhere. There were three or four incidents over a recent weekend, and the Iranians are even naming the Revolutionary Guard officers who have been killed.

Earlier this year, a militant Ahwazi group claimed to have assassinated a Revolutionary Guard colonel, and the Iranian government acknowledged that an explosion in a cultural center in Shiraz, in the southern part of the country, which killed at least twelve people and injured more than two hundred, had been a terrorist act and not, as it earlier insisted, an accident. It could not be learned whether there has been American involvement in any specific incident in Iran, but, according to Gardiner, the Iranians have begun publicly blaming the U.S., Great Britain, and, more recently, the C.I.A. for some incidents. The agency was involved in a coup in Iran in 1953, and its support for the unpopular regime of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlaviwho was overthrown in 1979was condemned for years by the ruling mullahs in Tehran, to great effect. This is the ultimate for the Iraniansto blame the C.I.A., Gardiner said. This is new, and its an escalationa ratcheting up of tensions. It rallies support for the regime and shows the people that there is a continuing threat from the Great Satan. In Gardiners view, the violence, rather than weakening Irans religious government, may generate support for it.

Many of the activities may be being carried out by dissidents in Iran, and not by Americans in the field. One problem with passing money (to use the term of the person familiar with the Finding) in a covert setting is that it is hard to control where the money goes and whom it benefits. Nonetheless, the former senior intelligence official said, Weve got exposure, because of the transfer of our weapons and our communications gear. The Iranians will be able to make the argument that the opposition was inspired by the Americans. How many times have we tried this without asking the right questions? Is the risk worth it? One possible consequence of these operations would be a violent Iranian crackdown on one of the dissident groups, which could give the Bush Administration a reason to intervene.

A strategy of using ethnic minorities to undermine Iran is flawed, according to Vali Nasr, who teaches international politics at Tufts University and is also a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Just because Lebanon, Iraq, and Pakistan have ethnic problems, it does not mean that Iran is suffering from the same issue, Nasr told me. Iran is an old countrylike France and Germanyand its citizens are just as nationalistic. The U.S. is overestimating ethnic tension in Iran. The minority groups that the U.S. is reaching out to are either well integrated or small and marginal, without much influence on the government or much ability to present a political challenge, Nasr said. You can always find some activist groups that will go and kill a policeman, but working with the minorities will backfire, and alienate the majority of the population.

The Administration may have been willing to rely on dissident organizations in Iran even when there was reason to believe that the groups had operated against American interests in the past. The use of Baluchi elements, for example, is problematic, Robert Baer, a former C.I.A. clandestine officer who worked for nearly two decades in South Asia and the Middle East, told me. The Baluchis are Sunni fundamentalists who hate the regime in Tehran, but you can also describe them as Al Qaeda, Baer told me. These are guys who cut off the heads of nonbelieversin this case, its Shiite Iranians. The irony is that were once again working with Sunni fundamentalists, just as we did in Afghanistan in the nineteen-eighties. Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is considered one of the leading planners of the September 11th attacks, are Baluchi Sunni fundamentalists.

One of the most active and violent anti-regime groups in Iran today is the Jundallah, also known as the Iranian Peoples Resistance Movement, which describes itself as a resistance force fighting for the rights of Sunnis in Iran. This is a vicious Salafi organization whose followers attended the same madrassas as the Taliban and Pakistani extremists, Nasr told me. They are suspected of having links to Al Qaeda and they are also thought to be tied to the drug culture. The Jundallah took responsibility for the bombing of a busload of Revolutionary Guard soldiers in February, 2007. At least eleven Guard members were killed. According to Baer and to press reports, the Jundallah is among the groups in Iran that are benefitting from U.S. support.

The C.I.A. and Special Operations communities also have long-standing ties to two other dissident groups in Iran: the Mujahideen-e-Khalq, known in the West as the M.E.K., and a Kurdish separatist group, the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan, or PJAK.

The M.E.K. has been on the State Departments terrorist list for more than a decade, yet in recent years the group has received arms and intelligence, directly or indirectly, from the United States. Some of the newly authorized covert funds, the Pentagon consultant told me, may well end up in M.E.K. coffers. The new task force will work with the M.E.K. The Administration is desperate for results. He added, The M.E.K. has no C.P.A. auditing the books, and its leaders are thought to have been lining their pockets for years. If people only knew what the M.E.K. is getting, and how much is going to its bank accountsand yet it is almost useless for the purposes the Administration intends.

The Kurdish party, PJAK, which has also been reported to be covertly supported by the United States, has been operating against Iran from bases in northern Iraq for at least three years. (Iran, like Iraq and Turkey, has a Kurdish minority, and PJAK and other groups have sought self-rule in territory that is now part of each of those countries.) In recent weeks, according to Sam Gardiner, the military strategist, there has been a marked increase in the number of PJAK armed engagements with Iranians and terrorist attacks on Iranian targets. In early June, the news agency Fars reported that a dozen PJAK members and four Iranian border guards were killed in a clash near the Iraq border; a similar attack in May killed three Revolutionary Guards and nine PJAK fighters. PJAK has also subjected Turkey, a member of NATO, to repeated terrorist attacks, and reports of American support for the group have been a source of friction between the two governments.

Gardiner also mentioned a trip that the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, made to Tehran in June. After his return, Maliki announced that his government would ban any contact between foreigners and the M.E.K.a slap at the U.S.s dealings with the group. Maliki declared that Iraq was not willing to be a staging ground for covert operations against other countries. This was a sign, Gardiner said, of Malikis increasingly choosing the interests of Iraq over the interests of the United States. In terms of U.S. allegations of Iranian involvement in the killing of American soldiers, he said, Maliki was unwilling to play the blame-Iran game. Gardiner added that Pakistan had just agreed to turn over a Jundallah leader to the Iranian government. Americas covert operations, he said, seem to be harming relations with the governments of both Iraq and Pakistan and could well be strengthening the connection between Tehran and Baghdad.

The White Houses reliance on questionable operatives, and on plans involving possible lethal action inside Iran, has created anger as well as anxiety within the Special Operations and intelligence communities. JSOCs operations in Iran are believed to be modelled on a program that has, with some success, used surrogates to target the Taliban leadership in the tribal territories of Waziristan, along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. But the situations in Waziristan and Iran are not comparable.

In Waziristan, the program works because its small and smart guys are running it, the former senior intelligence official told me. Its being executed by professionals. The N.S.A., the C.I.A., and the D.I.A.the Defense Intelligence Agencyare right in there with the Special Forces and Pakistani intelligence, and theyre dealing with serious bad guys. He added, We have to be really careful in calling in the missiles. We have to hit certain houses at certain times. The people on the ground are watching through binoculars a few hundred yards away and calling specific locations, in latitude and longitude. We keep the Predator loitering until the targets go into a house, and we have to make sure our guys are far enough away so they dont get hit. One of the most prominent victims of the program, the former official said, was Abu Laith al-Libi, a senior Al Qaeda* commander, who was killed on January 31st, reportedly in a missile strike that also killed eleven other people.

A dispatch published on March 26th by the Washington Post reported on the increasing number of successful strikes against Taliban and other insurgent units in Pakistans tribal areas. A follow-up article noted that, in response, the Taliban had killed dozens of people suspected of providing information to the United States and its allies on the whereabouts of Taliban leaders. Many of the victims were thought to be American spies, and their executionsa beheading, in one casewere videotaped and distributed by DVD as a warning to others.

It is not simple to replicate the program in Iran. Everybodys arguing about the high-value-target list, the former senior intelligence official said. The Special Ops guys are pissed off because Cheneys office set up priorities for categories of targets, and now hes getting impatient and applying pressure for results. But it takes a long time to get the right guys in place.

The Pentagon consultant told me, Weve had wonderful results in the Horn of Africa with the use of surrogates and false flagsbasic counterintelligence and counter-insurgency tactics. And were beginning to tie them in knots in Afghanistan. But the White House is going to kill the program if they use it to go after Iran. Its one thing to engage in selective strikes and assassinations in Waziristan and another in Iran. The White House believes that one size fits all, but the legal issues surrounding extrajudicial killings in Waziristan are less of a problem because Al Qaeda and the Taliban cross the border into Afghanistan and back again, often with U.S. and NATO forces in hot pursuit. The situation is not nearly as clear in the Iranian case. All the considerationsjudicial, strategic, and politicalare different in Iran.

He added, There is huge opposition inside the intelligence community to the idea of waging a covert war inside Iran, and using Baluchis and Ahwazis as surrogates. The leaders of our Special Operations community all have remarkable physical courage, but they are less likely to voice their opposition to policy. Iran is not Waziristan.

A Gallup poll taken last November, before the N.I.E. was made public, found that seventy-three per cent of those surveyed thought that the United States should use economic action and diplomacy to stop Irans nuclear program, while only eighteen per cent favored direct military action. Republicans were twice as likely as Democrats to endorse a military strike. Weariness with the war in Iraq has undoubtedly affected the publics tolerance for an attack on Iran. This mood could change quickly, however. The potential for escalation became clear in early January, when five Iranian patrol boats, believed to be under the command of the Revolutionary Guard, made a series of aggressive moves toward three Navy warships sailing through the Strait of Hormuz. Initial reports of the incident made public by the Pentagon press office said that the Iranians had transmitted threats, over ship-to-ship radio, to explode the American ships. At a White House news conference, the President, on the day he left for an eight-day trip to the Middle East, called the incident provocative and dangerous, and there was, very briefly, a sense of crisis and of outrage at Iran. TWO MINUTES FROM WAR was the headline in one British newspaper.

The crisis was quickly defused by Vice-Admiral Kevin Cosgriff, the commander of U.S. naval forces in the region. No warning shots were fired, the Admiral told the Pentagon press corps on January 7th, via teleconference from his headquarters, in Bahrain. Yes, its more serious than we have seen, but, to put it in context, we do interact with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and their Navy regularly, Cosgriff said. I didnt get the sense from the reports I was receiving that there was a sense of being afraid of these five boats.

Admiral Cosgriffs caution was well founded: within a week, the Pentagon acknowledged that it could not positively identify the Iranian boats as the source of the ominous radio transmission, and press reports suggested that it had instead come from a prankster long known for sending fake messages in the region. Nonetheless, Cosgriffs demeanor angered Cheney, according to the former senior intelligence official. But a lesson was learned in the incident: The public had supported the idea of retaliation, and was even asking why the U.S. didnt do more. The former official said that, a few weeks later, a meeting took place in the Vice-Presidents office. The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington, he said.

In June, President Bush went on a farewell tour of Europe. He had tea with Queen Elizabeth II and dinner with Nicolas Sarkozy and Carla Bruni, the President and First Lady of France. The serious business was conducted out of sight, and involved a series of meetings on a new diplomatic effort to persuade the Iranians to halt their uranium-enrichment program. (Iran argues that its enrichment program is for civilian purposes and is legal under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.) Secretary of State Rice had been involved with developing a new package of incentives. But the Administrations essential negotiating position seemed unchanged: talks could not take place until Iran halted the program. The Iranians have repeatedly and categorically rejected that precondition, leaving the diplomatic situation in a stalemate; they have not yet formally responded to the new incentives.

The continuing impasse alarms many observers. Joschka Fischer, the former German Foreign Minister, recently wrote in a syndicated column that it may not be possible to freeze the Iranian nuclear program for the duration of the negotiations to avoid a military confrontation before they are completed. Should this newest attempt fail, things will soon get serious. Deadly serious. When I spoke to him last week, Fischer, who has extensive contacts in the diplomatic community, said that the latest European approach includes a new element: the willingness of the U.S. and the Europeans to accept something less than a complete cessation of enrichment as an intermediate step. The proposal says that the Iranians must stop manufacturing new centrifuges and the other side will stop all further sanction activities in the U.N. Security Council, Fischer said, although Iran would still have to freeze its enrichment activities when formal negotiations begin. This could be acceptable to the Iraniansif they have good will.

The big question, Fischer added, is in Washington. I think the Americans are deeply divided on the issue of what to do about Iran, he said. Some officials are concerned about the fallout from a military attack and others think an attack is unavoidable. I know the Europeans, but I have no idea where the Americans will end up on this issue.

There is another complication: American Presidential politics. Barack Obama has said that, if elected, he would begin talks with Iran with no self-defeating preconditions (although only after diplomatic groundwork had been laid). That position has been vigorously criticized by John McCain. The Washington Post recently quoted Randy Scheunemann, the McCain campaigns national-security director, as stating that McCain supports the White Houses position, and that the program be suspended before talks begin. What Obama is proposing, Scheunemann said, is unilateral cowboy summitry.

Scheunemann, who is known as a neoconservative, is also the McCain campaigns most important channel of communication with the White House. He is a friend of David Addington, Dick Cheneys chief of staff. I have heard differing accounts of Scheunemanns influence with McCain; though some close to the McCain campaign talk about him as a possible national-security adviser, others say he is someone who isnt taken seriously while telling Cheney and others what they want to hear, as a senior McCain adviser put it.

It is not known whether McCain, who is the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, has been formally briefed on the operations in Iran. At the annual conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, in June, Obama repeated his plea for tough and principled diplomacy. But he also said, along with McCain, that he would keep the threat of military action against Iran on the table. ?



*Correction, August 7, 2008: Abu Laith al-Libi was a senior Al Qaeda commander, not a senior Taliban commander, as originally stated.
 

bhitai

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
The US has denied it played any part. :)

Obviously you would take the US at their word..

cuz if you don't , it will somehow imply that al-quaida affiliated groups have been working in tandem with the US against iran, which is something that undermines the whole notion of the War on terror!

of course such a theory is enough to make your head spin to the point of exploding!
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
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Iran vows 'crushing' revenge on UK for terror blast
Guards accuse Britain of training terrorists
Monday, October 19, 2009

Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards today promised a "crushing" response to an attack that killed several senior commanders, while blaming Britain and the US for involvement.

As the death toll from yesterday's incident rose to 42, one of the Guards' highest-ranking officers said the United States and Britain trained "terrorists" in neighbouring countries.

The attack and allegations of foreign involvement risk overshadowing talks in Vienna later today between Iranian and Western officials over Iran's nuclear ambitions.

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masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
@Contra Bhai,

Whole the world read this news. Only u n ur mates search the ugly one :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Isnt shamefull????
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
brother masadibhai
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your post.. I am positive contra didnot read my post..
 

nation1857

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
biomat said:
brother masadibhai
Jaza-k-ALLAH for your post.. I am positive contra didnot read my post..

biomat & masadi bahi
this is from pakistani news
Ahmadinejad urges Zardari to confront Iran bombers

EHRAN: Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday urged his President Zardari to confront a Sunni militant group which Tehran says is behind the bombing on the Revolutionary Guards that killed dozens.

Iran and Pakistan have a brotherly relationship but the presence of terrorist elements in Pakistan is not justifiable, Ahmadinejad told Asif Ali Zardari during a telephone call received from Zardari, Iran's official IRNA news agency said.

The Pakistani government should help to quickly arrest these criminals so they can be punished, the Iranian president said, adding: The criminal terrorists must be seriously confronted by setting up a bilateral timetable.

IRNA said Zardari expressed his condolences and agreed on setting up a timetable to confront the militant group, Jundallah (Soldiers of God).

Iranian officials have accused Pakistan, Britain and the United States of aiding the group, alleged to be behind Sunday's suicide bombing in the town of Pisheen in Sistan-Balochistan province.

Hours after the attack Ahmadinejad alleged the assault was plotted in Pakistan, which borders the restive province, a flashpoint of Sunni insurgency.

We became aware that some of agents in Pakistan were cooperating with the main elements of today's terrorist incident and we consider it to be our right to demand the rendition of these criminals, Fars quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

We want the Pakistani government not to delay the arrest of the main elements of this terrorist act any longer.

The head of the Guards, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, said on Monday that Tehran will demand that Pakistan hand over Jundallah leader Abdolmalek Rigi, who is accused of being the mastermind of the bombing.

Jafari said a Tehran delegation will head to Pakistan to deliver proof to them so they know that the Islamic Republic is aware of its (Pakistan's) support to the group led by Rigi.

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... ader-qs-09
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
Pak soil used, Tehran tells envoy 49 killed in Zahedan suicide attack
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=25081
Monday, October 19, 2009
Deputy chief of Revolutionary Guards slain; Pakistan condemns

TEHRAN: A suicide bomber killed seven commanders of Iran?s elite Revolutionary Guards and up to 42 other people on Sunday in an attack that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad charged had been plotted from neighbouring Pakistan.

The foreign ministry called in Pakistan?s charge d?affaires over the bombing, which targeted one of the Islamic republic?s most prestigious institutions in the region.Several tribal leaders in the majority ethnic Baluch Sistan-Baluchestan province also died in the bombing which left many others wounded.

The attacker set off his explosives belt as a meeting of Guards commanders and tribal chiefs got underway at around 8.00 am at a gymnasium in the city of Pishin, near the border with Pakistan, the state broadcaster said.

?The number of martyrs from the terrorist attack has reached 49... and that figure could still rise,? the Mehr news agency reported.Provincial chief coroner Abbas Amian told the official IRNA news agency that his office had received 42 bodies.

The chief prosecutor in Sistan-Baluchestan, Mohammad Marziah, said that Abdolmalek Rigi, the head of the shadowy Sunni rebel group, Jundallah (Soldiers of God) had ?accepted the responsibility? for the attack.

Among the dead were General Nur-Ali Shushtari, deputy commander of the Guards? ground forces; General Mohammad-Zadeh, Guards? commander in Sistan-Baluchestan province; the Guards? commander for the town of Iranshahr and the commander of the Amir al-Momenin unit, the Fars news agency said.

Three other commanders from the adjacent province of Kerman were also killed, Fars added.

The Iranian president hit out at neighbouring Pakistan over the bombing, accusing it of sheltering Jundallah militants.?We became aware that some of agents in Pakistan were cooperating with the main elements of today?s terrorist incident and we consider it to be our right to demand the rendition of these criminals,? Fars quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.

?We want the Pakistani government not to delay the arrest of the main elements of this terrorist act any longer,? he said.Iran?s state-owned English language Press TV channel showed several patches of blood, broken glass and footwear scattered at the site of the attack. Some bodies covered in white sheeting were seen lying nearby.

One of the victims, Mohammad Ayoub Dehghani, who was wounded in the stomach, said the bomber ?must have walked through the people to where the commanders and tribal heads were sitting.?

?The enemies of the Islamic Republic of Iran cannot tolerate the unity, so they hire mercenaries who are supported by the Zionists and arrogant powers to carry out these terrorist attacks,? IRNA quoted him as saying.

General Mohammad Pakpour, commander of the Guards? ground forces, threatened retribution for the bombing. ?The Guards will give a very harsh and crushing response to this group, so the group will never be able to launch another act like this in the country,? Fars quoted Pakpour as saying.

Parliament speaker Ali Larijani said the United States was implicated. ?We consider the recent terrorist attack to be the result of US action. This is the sign of America?s animosity against our country,? Larijani said. ?Mr. Obama has said he will extend his hand towards Iran, but with this terrorist action he has burned his hand,? he said referring to US President Barack Obama?s repeated diplomatic overtures to Tehran. The United States denied any involvement.

?We condemn this act of terrorism and mourn the loss of innocent lives,? State Department Spokesman Ian Kelly said in a statement in Washington. ?Reports of alleged US involvement are completely false,? he added.

State TV also singled out Britain. ?Some informed sources said the British government was directly involved in the terrorist attack by organising, supplying equipment and employing professional terrorists,? it said.

Iranian officials have previously accused Britain and the United States of supporting ethnic minority rebels such as Jundallah operating in sensitive border areas.

Meanwhile, Iran summoned Pakistan?s envoy to Tehran over Sunday?s deadly bombing against the nation?s Revolutionary Guards, claiming those behind the attack had used Pakistani soil as a springboard, the ISNA news agency said.

It said the foreign ministry had called Pakistan?s charge d?affaires and ?expressed Tehran?s regret to Pakistan?s envoy that members of the terrorist group involved in the incident entered Iran through Pakistan.?

The ministry also ?protested against the (alleged) use of Pakistani territory by the terrorists and rebels against the Islamic Republic of Iran and urged Pakistani authorities to act firmly to prevent the movement of those terrorists and rebels in their country.?

In Islamabad, Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit condemned the suicide attack in Iran.The spokesman said both the countries enjoyed brotherly relations, adding, ?We condemn the sad event in Iran.?

Talking to Geo News on Sunday, the FO spokesman rejected the Iranian ambassador?s statement about the presence of head of the Jundollah group in Pakistan.The spokesman said Pakistan and Iran are cooperating in the war against terrorism as both countries enjoy friendly relations.

Basit said that the war against terrorists in Pakistan?s tribal area of South Waziristan reflects Islamabad?s commitment that it will not allow its soil for terrorist activities in any country. Pakistan is not involved in terrorist activities, he said, ?We are struggling to eradicate the menace of terrorism.? He said that such statement could sour relations between the two countries.
 

masadi1980

MPA (400+ posts)
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@ contra & mates

This is analysis of current news from BBC, my freinds. Where is stated that Pakistan is involved in this attack, they blamed Taliban and Al-Qaida which are operating in Pakistan and Afghanistan. (Pakistan & Afghanistan are victims).
Not pakistan or Afghanistan is involved in this attack.
I dont know why u guys always
groping.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Pakistani friends,

Are you saying that foreign intelligence agencies operate in your nation, their work causes embarrassment and spoils the name of your country, and you can do nothing about it?

Your country's territory is used by agencies to settle score against your neighbours and you do nothing?
Wow!!!
 

niazi

MPA (400+ posts)
wow,its ur dirty RAW which is oppertunist to do any harm to pak interest ,people like you represent ur filthy thaughts never miss a chance to send post against pakistan.
 

biomat

Minister (2k+ posts)
contra freind
You are right. They do operate in almost all of the countries this is called COVERT OPERATION. Some times with the help of NGOs, some time with TERRORIST GROUP & some times use SMUGGLERS, some times they hire EDUCATED but JOBLESS persons to perform their jobs.. We are fighting in all forums to erradicate all these agencies & companies like black water, XE etc.. So yes pakistan & afghanistan soil is used for terrorism but do u know contra freind that pakistan have just started operation in waziristan. If u put yourself in our boot, will u start another front against relative freindly neighbour with this kind of bomb attack...
I think when logic comes to pakistan, u closed ur eyes...
Our govt is involved in the sense that they have closed their eyes on all foreign intervention like drones & these terrorist groups on their pay roll.
Time has changed now common pakistani is fighting on every forum to root out their involvement & exposing them..
Hope u will understand..
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
contra said:
Pakistani friends,

Are you saying that foreign intelligence agencies operate in your nation, their work causes embarrassment and spoils the name of your country, and you can do nothing about it?

Your country's territory is used by agencies to settle score against your neighbours and you do nothing?
Wow!!!


Here is a link to an Irani news article. It states that US officials have made attempts to use Jundullah to 'stage deadly guerrilla raids inside the Islamic Republic, kidnap Iranian officials and execute them on camera.

It is interesting to know that this happened after US's failure to influence other countries like Russia to apply sanctions against Iran due to its nuclear program.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=109000&sectionid=351020101


Here is a link to my analysis of how India is aiding Pakistan's enemies through Afghanistan:
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/world-must-stop-indian-intervention-in-pakistan--p42463.html#p42463

Lastly, you think that it is very easy to absolutely avoid the interference of foreign agencies? India claims that foreign agencies are involved in Kashmir, Asaam, and other attacks on Indian soil. How come India can't stop those violent attacks on Indian soil, perpetrated by the foreign agencies (as Indians claim)? So are indian security measures useless

Now don't come up with the arguments that at least we are not exporting terrorism. Because you are. Via aiding terrorists on other countries' soils.
You have history to prove it. You have aided the tamil tigers on the sri lankan soil.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
@biomat and masadi1980:

Thanks guys for keeping us posted with the facts. My hats off to you.

Interestingly, NDTV (indian) and BBC(Bitish) websites convenienly jumped on the news that Iran has accused Pakistan of the bombing. However, as of now they have not yet posted anything on the Iranian claim that the US and British agencies are involved. How convenient.

Thanks, once again.
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
sher khan bhai,

1. Lets take an example:
Consider 3 countries - X, Y and Z.

2. Country X, uses the territory of country Y to cause trouble in country Z.

This is the situation we are discussing in this thread, aren't we?

3. For you to give the examples of Kashmir, or what India did in Sri Lanka are misplaced.
Also, the questions you are posing are strange. You are asking us - why aren't we able to stop attacks?

4. Your territory being used to harm your neighbours...thats the issue!!!
 

contra

Senator (1k+ posts)
Top Gun bhai,

Top Guns said:
Contra Bhai you should believe Biomat bhai, what he his saying he his absolutely correct its a sameway like pakistan use dawood against india ( smugglers, Don. ) ISI used Laskar a Taiba, Hafeez Saeed, And Many more, I will be tired of taking names but the names won't finish, Contra Bhai, First of all pakistan army or pakstan people should not call taliban as a terrorist, Cause they are freedom fighters As they are fighting for there land which is pakistan, ALways remember expricence counts. :roll:

1. Good one Top Gun. :lol:

2. Actually, many Pakistani's on this forum do support or have sympathy for the Taliban.
 

sher_khan

Senator (1k+ posts)
contra said:
sher khan bhai,

1. Lets take an example:
Consider 3 countries - X, Y and Z.

2. Country X, uses the territory of country Y to cause trouble in country Z.

This is the situation we are discussing in this thread, aren't we?

The spirit of the argument is that the issue is not that country Y ALLOWS country X to use its territory to hurt Country X. The issue is that the Country Y fails to DETECT or PREVENT the country X to achieve its goals. Prevention can only be exercised if there is prior knowledge or precedence. Since neither existed in this case therefore it would be the failure of detection of country X's plans, by country Y.

Talking about Prevention and Detection measures of a country regardless of a second or third country invlovement, lets take the example of the Mumbai attacks. Indians were also arrested for Mumbai attacks. Hence Indian soil was also used to plan the Mumbai attacks. Yet India failed to either detect or prevent the activities on its on soil. I am using "detect" here because there has been precedence in India for such incidences. The expectation of 100% of such prevention and detection is unreasonable. As India proved it.


3. For you to give the examples of Kashmir, or what India did in Sri Lanka are misplaced.
Also, the questions you are posing are strange. You are asking us - why aren't we able to stop attacks?

It is not misplaced at all. My argument is that india claims that foreign agencies are behind the attacks in India. If indian claim is accurate, then the foreign agencies have to have resources and people wthin india to carry out their attacks. They have to have operation centres. But india fails to detect or prevent them. Hence Indians expect 100% from the other countries on the matter on which their own country fails miserably.

Also, I gave you the example of Sri Lanka to point out the fact that India has a history of using its resources and soil to support a terrorist organization in another country like Sri Lanka. The point that I am making is that Indian resources are being used to aid terrorists on the Pakistani western border. (That's why I gave you the link of my analysis.) It was important to make this point because the article you posted implied that "Pakistan" was involved in iran attacks not the "terrorists operating in Pakistan."

Claims have been made that via US, GB and Indian aid some terrorists entered Iran through either the western border of Pakistan OR Afghanistan. Pakistani army is fighting these terrorists for the control of this part of the Pakistan. Hence your notion that Pakistan is not doing anything about the current situation is grossly incorrect.


4. Your territory being used to harm your neighbours...thats the issue!!!

Firstly, the territory in question is yet not proven to be the source of the attack. Claims are also being made of Afghan border involvement.

Your statement, precisely, was as follws:


"Your country's territory is used by agencies to settle score against your neighbours and you do nothing?
Wow!!!


Lets assume for a second that only Pakistani territory was used via indian/US/GB aid to terrorists, even then, Pakistan army is already fighting with these territorists. Therefore, your statement is nothing but an unsupportable sentiment.

Furthermore, rest assured that If Pakistani people were involved then they will be apprehended soon. The reason being, Iran will be sharing evidences with us with a lightening speed, without any delays. And Iran will not make up any stories like Indians do on their dossiers, which by the way they hand over months after the crime is committed.
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