contra: Debunking 9/11 Myths [16 Myths Debunked]
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you left out a few more items. Debunk them and I will 'convert' to a believer in the govt. version:
1. Why dd NORAD LIE to the 9/11 Commission?
Senator Dayton (D-MN) Statement :
remember how the jersey girls obtained the VISA forms of the 9/11 terrorists at the Riyadh Embassy. Many of those forms look like CRAP, with critical details like their destination addresses in the US missing totally. Do you think any sane US visa officer would have issued those visas without vetting them?
and ifff.. there was a sane officer who did that, why WASN'T HE ever interrogated?
3. Why wasn't a single soul ever charged with negligence?
Give your best shot..
you left out a few more items. Debunk them and I will 'convert' to a believer in the govt. version:
1. Why dd NORAD LIE to the 9/11 Commission?
Senator Dayton (D-MN) Statement :
2. Why wasn't the US State dept. officials who issued VISAS TO TERRORISTS ever questioned?
remember how the jersey girls obtained the VISA forms of the 9/11 terrorists at the Riyadh Embassy. Many of those forms look like CRAP, with critical details like their destination addresses in the US missing totally. Do you think any sane US visa officer would have issued those visas without vetting them?
and ifff.. there was a sane officer who did that, why WASN'T HE ever interrogated?
3. Why wasn't a single soul ever charged with negligence?
Give your best shot..
contra
Senator (1k+ posts)
bhitai bhai,
1. Classic conspiracy theorist...
This was an incident for which nobody was really prepared.
2. Just look at your questions!
You are saying that since America failed to prevent 9/11, it implies that America carried it out!!! :o :shock: :shock:
Are you insane my friend?
3. Lets turn the tables - Lahore attack on Sri Lankan team
Latest news is that LTTE funded it, and it was carried out by some Islamic terrorist group based in Punjab.
Now, since your government was unable to prevent this attack, should it be assumed that the government carried out this attack? That the government was in on it?
4. You guys need to come out of denial.
You should be ashamed of yourselves...
1. Classic conspiracy theorist...
This was an incident for which nobody was really prepared.
2. Just look at your questions!
You are saying that since America failed to prevent 9/11, it implies that America carried it out!!! :o :shock: :shock:
Are you insane my friend?
3. Lets turn the tables - Lahore attack on Sri Lankan team
Latest news is that LTTE funded it, and it was carried out by some Islamic terrorist group based in Punjab.
Now, since your government was unable to prevent this attack, should it be assumed that the government carried out this attack? That the government was in on it?
4. You guys need to come out of denial.
You should be ashamed of yourselves...
taul
Siasat.pk - Blogger
contra said:
---Your whole persona couldn't be described much better than this "Denial" word itself :ugeek: ,,,We all know who should be blushing here :oops: :P ....
--9/11 vs lahore attack :shock: :shock: :o ,,snap out of it,,Atleast nobody started an outright and Illegal war in the context of it :oops: :oops: :lol: :P
contra
Senator (1k+ posts)
taul bhai,
I have raised a very important point in my previous post, and you haven't commented on it.
Should we start believing that the Pakistani government carried out the attack on Sri Lankan team? Since they were unable to prevent it!
So according to you Conspiracy Theorists, since Pakistan was unable to prevent the attack, this means that the government was involved. :lol: :lol: :lol:
I have raised a very important point in my previous post, and you haven't commented on it.
Should we start believing that the Pakistani government carried out the attack on Sri Lankan team? Since they were unable to prevent it!
So according to you Conspiracy Theorists, since Pakistan was unable to prevent the attack, this means that the government was involved. :lol: :lol: :lol:
taul
Siasat.pk - Blogger
contra said:
--- :lol: :lol: :lol: you do not even know how to use an analogy,you call that serious point :shock: ,,we all know how serious and logical your points are :oops: :oops: :ugeek:
--There wasn't any WAR :ugeek: :ugeek: had there been any such move,a lot could've been deduced :roll: .there weren't any motives :roll: whereas 9/11 led to an Illegal Occupation of a Country :evil: and the video i provided was just a glimpse of how some had an anticipation of such a large scale event :evil: besides the other riddles that remain unsolved to this day :ugeek:
you mean the SENATOR from Minnesota ?
you obviously got no answer, like the rest. I repeat the question: why DID NORAD Lie? why have they got to cover up?
If NORAD was caught off guard on 9-11, they should have come clean on the whole issue, saying :we just couldn't HAVE PREVENTED the damn incident. Instead they lied about the time-line, and were let OFF THE HOOK. why???
The last I checked perjury was a crime..
a. our Pakistani agencies are capable of creating self-inflicted wounds.
b. nobody is EVER held accountable in pakistan for anything.
c. they have near-zero credibility at home (exhibit A: Brig. Imtiaz/Durrani/Maj Aamir/Aslam Beg's statements)
d. thus it is a STUPID comparison!
e. you are dodging the question of accountability
I'm implying something bigger: the terrorists were given US visa on PHONY documents cuz they were operatives.
If you can establish a link b/w those guys and the US agencies, the story doesn't remain as straightforward as
you and your handlers would like us to believe.
Bombaybuz
Minister (2k+ posts)
I want to know what is out of all this duscussion?? even if its get proven that its an inside job will this make any diff to people of afghansitan and iraq??
and 2ndly not one single person was listed or given any sentence (even of a day) for negligence or foul play in the whole investigation. how one can justify that?? where are the high standards of social justice??? why All the advance technology and assistance of forensic expertise gone to dogs on that particular day??
last but not least how contra will justify
1.the controlled demolition of WTC-7 in less then 24 hours??
2.why no Debunking sites gives any answer to questions raised by DIVID ICKE ?? "in his book Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster"(go n check details how he tears apart 9-11 and 7-7 on youtube)
and 2ndly not one single person was listed or given any sentence (even of a day) for negligence or foul play in the whole investigation. how one can justify that?? where are the high standards of social justice??? why All the advance technology and assistance of forensic expertise gone to dogs on that particular day??
last but not least how contra will justify
1.the controlled demolition of WTC-7 in less then 24 hours??
2.why no Debunking sites gives any answer to questions raised by DIVID ICKE ?? "in his book Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster"(go n check details how he tears apart 9-11 and 7-7 on youtube)
contra
Senator (1k+ posts)
bhitai bhai,
1. I have already discussed about NORAD in my previous post in this thread.
What lies are you referring to? Give more details regarding this.
2. Also, from your previous post, I am assuming that the Lahore attack was an inside job?
I don't think there were any resignations from the police, bureaucracy or political leadership.
1. I have already discussed about NORAD in my previous post in this thread.
What lies are you referring to? Give more details regarding this.
2. Also, from your previous post, I am assuming that the Lahore attack was an inside job?
I don't think there were any resignations from the police, bureaucracy or political leadership.
contra
Senator (1k+ posts)
BombayBuz,
1. This is the site from which i have taken all the information: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=1
2. Why don't you enlighten us and give the names of all the police officers, bureaucrats and politicians who resigned after the Lahore attack.
3. You accuse somebody, and ask him to prove his innocence? No, my friend, the burden of proof lies on the person making the allegations!!!
4. And, i guess, you believe that the Lahore attacks were an inside job? If so, then clearly write about this accusing your government of involvement or asking them tough questions, in your next post.
1. This is the site from which i have taken all the information: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=1
2. Why don't you enlighten us and give the names of all the police officers, bureaucrats and politicians who resigned after the Lahore attack.
3. You accuse somebody, and ask him to prove his innocence? No, my friend, the burden of proof lies on the person making the allegations!!!
4. And, i guess, you believe that the Lahore attacks were an inside job? If so, then clearly write about this accusing your government of involvement or asking them tough questions, in your next post.
taul
Siasat.pk - Blogger
contra said:
--You can fool only yourself :oops: :P but the World believes it was an inside job as do most of the americans :ugeek:.
Planes can NOT bring towers down and something fishy happened that day :evil: 8-) ..No one gained out of this Illegal War but halliburton who got tons of contracts later on and cashed in big :evil:
--Ever seen a controlled demolition :roll: the fall in exactly the same symmetry as did not two but three towers :shock: :ugeek:
--Enjoy :ugeek: :D
http://www.ae911truth.org/omnitv_interview.htm
--bush caught blatant lying :evil: :ugeek:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm73wOuPL60&feature=related[/video]
contra
of course you can't use google, so let me do that for you:
So.... NORAD LIED ABOUT BEING NOTIFIED OF THE HIJACKINGS..Why?
This point wasn't raised by a tinfoil wearing muslim - it was raised by a US SENATOR damnit!
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607
If it turns out they were, I will not freak out a bit, since in pakistan a ) we DON'T trust what the govt. tells us, and b ) security agencies can do pretty much anything they want and get away with it!
contra
Senator (1k+ posts)
Re: contra: Debunking 9/11 Myths- Part7 [Puffs of Dust]
Puffs Of Dust
FACT:
1. Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking", and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.
2. Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."
3. Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."
4. Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."
Puffs Of Dust
FACT:
1. Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking", and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.
2. Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."
3. Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."
4. Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."
taul
Siasat.pk - Blogger
--According to human Psychology any tragic event leaves a deep Imprint on to any person's mind and that Tragic event can NOT be forgotten and Astonishingly Bush could not even remember where he was at?and what was he doing :roll: .Instead he confesses watching the 1st plane hit the WTC :o :shock: .We're talking here the President himself who clearly let it our as if were some bash going on and he had his turn to have a crack at it :ugeek: :ugeek:
---Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth :ugeek: 8-)
--Controlled Demolition Following it's path of Symmetry
--Dan Rather reporting building "Deliberately destroyed" :ugeek:
--Evidence of Thermite found.. :ugeek:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0[/video]
--Sean hannity admits he doesn't believe 9/11 commission Report either.. :D
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqq2R2iYWPg&feature=related[/video]
---Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth :ugeek: 8-)
--Controlled Demolition Following it's path of Symmetry
--Dan Rather reporting building "Deliberately destroyed" :ugeek:
--Evidence of Thermite found.. :ugeek:
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0[/video]
--Sean hannity admits he doesn't believe 9/11 commission Report either.. :D
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqq2R2iYWPg&feature=related[/video]
contra
Senator (1k+ posts)
bhitai bhai,
1. Your doubts about the inconsistencies in the timeline given by NORAD, FAA and others can be explained as indecisiveness, panic and departments trying to vouch for themselves and defending themselves.
2.Sen. Dayton is not questioning 9/11, he is questioning the delay in response and the inability of these organisations to take decisive action in a coordinated manner.
What happened during that day has already been discussed earlier in this thread.
Part 2 - No Stand down order.
[Why it took so long to locate those planes etc.]
1. Your doubts about the inconsistencies in the timeline given by NORAD, FAA and others can be explained as indecisiveness, panic and departments trying to vouch for themselves and defending themselves.
2.Sen. Dayton is not questioning 9/11, he is questioning the delay in response and the inability of these organisations to take decisive action in a coordinated manner.
What happened during that day has already been discussed earlier in this thread.
Part 2 - No Stand down order.
[Why it took so long to locate those planes etc.]
taul
Siasat.pk - Blogger
contra said:
---Fall of buildings consistent with "Controlled demolition" alongside President's himself confession he saw the plane hit the tower :ugeek:
--Testimonies of firefighters as well as Paramedics who described they heard "Explosions" before buildings collapsed. :ugeek:
--Thermite being found from the Metal structures of the buildings as well the Molten iron, Inconsistent with Jet fuel whose burning temperatures couldn't have gone as high as that of the thermite to have caused the Molten iron. :evil:
--Out of 68 security cameras in Pentagon,Surprisingly none were functional and the video that later was provided and shown of Pentagon attack had a wrong date on it. :roll:
--Reporter clearly saying he hadn't seen any Fuselage or any sign of a plane's debris near Pentagon while reporting shortly after.. :evil:
