Comparing Indians, Pakistanis, Bengalis, Afghans and Egyptians in the United States - Excellent arti

[staray khaatir]

Despite their large size, most India-born immigrants in the US are recent arrivals. Whereas 47 per cent of the India-born immigrants arrived in the US after 2000.
These 2 lines are telling the whole story,half of the indian over there are highly educated professionals.therefore they are bound to exell in their respective fields.when it comes to MONEY MAKING ,indians are the best anyway.

 

[mrk123]

whats wrong with Indians making more money?

Honestly.. from personal experience.. I think there is this chunk of Pakistani community that is INSANELY rich.. and there is this huge chunk of Paki community that never leaves the American slums... Its the human culture and a mindset that doesnt change in 1 generation

There is nothing wrong with making money.

I believe you have to have goals and dreams and have to know the path to achieve those goals and dreams. Indians are good at both of these things. I may not agree with the regimented way they sometime push their kids to achieve these goals or dreams but they are considered very successful. Good for them! They are respected for working hard and achieving excellence.

I think that you are so right that things don't change in 1 generation. One other thing that I have seen is that a lot depends on exposure - limited exposure which may limit how expansive your dreams are would ultimately determine what you achieve. With more exposure you get to see more role models high achivers that you may want to emulate. In Pakistani community here in the USA I have noticed that the ones who are successful have the next generation who is equally if not more successful but the ones who are not struggling due to lack of education or exposure have their generations continue to struggle as they can't provide them the environment and guidance to even dream big.

 

[AsifAmeer]

I have a very warped view about power, money and wisdom.

Money really changes your DNA. DNA in sense that it affects you down to the bone and the effect lingers in generations.

Money is a huge source of power. And power is like wine... You never wanna get drunk and feel invincible.

I have a very well established Pakistani friend who I know makes ATLEAST $70/MONTH. Who else has $800k sitting in his checking account.. right?

Anyways.. I ask him.. "You got everything.. married, wife, sons, daughters.. Ur still young.. Whats the amount ($) in your mind that will make you bail out?"

Bro... he just looked at me with confusion... and asked "what do you mean?". He clearly understood what I was asking but he was dumbfounded by the question... that how much money before you quit this rat race... and the guy didnt have an answer.. Even when he answered there wasnt a number but conditions... Later he told me that it was an absurd question to begin with. And asked me what number I would bail out at? I replied back in 1 second - "$200 million". He replied back and said "Thats impossible". I replied "I know... but I still have a number!"

When you have no vision, power is pretty poisonous!

Later I realized for me to bail out.. I really dont need ANY money.. I am a free man. Money is objective. It is knowledge and faith that truly truly sets you free.

There is nothing wrong with making money.

I believe you have to have goals and dreams and have to know the path to achieve those goals and dreams. Indians are good at both of these things. I may not agree with the regimented way they sometime push their kids to achieve these goals or dreams but they are considered very successful. Good for them! They are respected for working hard and achieving excellence.

I think that you are so right that things don't change in 1 generation. One other thing that I have seen is that a lot depends on exposure - limited exposure which may limit how expansive your dreams are would ultimately determine what you achieve. With more exposure you get to see more role models high achivers that you may want to emulate. In Pakistani community here in the USA I have noticed that the ones who are successful have the next generation who is equally if not more successful but the ones who are not struggling due to lack of education or exposure have their generations continue to struggle as they can't provide them the environment and guidance to even dream big.

 

[kashif10]

The Article is good & informative, but the points bring fwd by [MENTION=24232]modern.fakir[/MENTION] are also 100% valid.

I want to add one more pt. related to savings that Indians as compare to Pakistanis not only do savings as they have small family size, but also their style of living is different as compare to Pakistanis.

 

[Temojin]

whats wrong with Indians making more money?

Honestly.. from personal experience.. I think there is this chunk of Pakistani community that is INSANELY rich.. and there is this huge chunk of Paki community that never leaves the American slums... Its the human culture and a mindset that doesnt change in 1 generation

Not wrong at all, I was referring to comments here on threads. Here a comment doesn't arise discussion but a battle which I am tired of. Moreover, except some, most of the members aren't even ready to discuss or stay on topic.

 

[AsifAmeer]

true that.. true that!

Not wrong at all, I was referring to comments here on threads. Here a comment doesn't arise discussion but a battle which I am tired of. Moreover, except some, most of the members aren't even ready to discuss or stay on topic.

 

[modern.fakir]

see your taking it wrong again...If the majority of pakistani's dont participate in certain parts of the western culture (drinking, clubbing, strip clubbing, adult movie stores etc), which happens to be a big part of their economy and are therefore deprived of economic activity and hence are second BEST in terms of statistical economics because in most cases their is a glass ceiling to their rise within organizations then...where does religion come into this ?

I am giving you a reason as to why they can't move up the corporate ladder, why they cant penetrate into larger social networks ...because to network and move up ..you have to build relationships and indulge in activities liked by the host, and in some cases the westerners are accomodating but not for the most part..and their justified because that is their way of life. This is my point of view and i have some support ...where have i discussed the burqa Ban or the introduction of sharia law in Kansas or anything that points it to being religious ?

Religion is a reality and billions of people behave according to tenets and those tenets have economic effects - thats all i stated

Making religion a conversational pariah and totally disregarding it is devoid of intellect, when it is a crucial factor in economics and growth. I'm just surprised at the quick apprehension and knee-jerk reaction to any mention of faith - its almost allergic.

But sticking to the topic ...you read that article about Pakistanis being in more well to do positions of the more ethically acceptable positions of doctors, economists (bigsmile), financial analysts and accountants. ?

Yes you rubbed the shoulders the wrong way. Why do you have to bring religion in this matter?

 

[AsifAmeer]

Pehli baat.. I am not against religion. Read the last line of my own post


Dusri baat
>>(drinking, clubbing, strip clubbing, adult movie stores etc), which happens to be a big part of their economy

Where's your data to support this?

[MENTION=4936]Adeel[/MENTION] we need an emoticon for hawai-firing

see your taking it wrong again...If the majority of pakistani's dont participate in certain parts of the western culture (drinking, clubbing, strip clubbing, adult movie stores etc), which happens to be a big part of their economy and are therefore deprived of economic activity and hence are second BEST in terms of statistical economics because in most cases their is a glass ceiling to their rise within organizations then...where does religion come into this ?

I am giving you a reason as to why they can't move up the corporate ladder, why they cant penetrate into larger social networks ...because to network and move up ..you have to build relationships and indulge in activities liked by the host, and in some cases the westerners are accomodating but not for the most part..and their justified because that is their way of life. This is my point of view and i have some support ...where have i discussed the burqa Ban or the introduction of sharia law in Kansas or anything that points it to being religious ?

Religion is a reality and billions of people behave according to tenets and those tenets have economic effects - thats all i stated

Making religion a conversational pariah and totally disregarding it is devoid of intellect, when it is a crucial factor in economics and growth. I'm just surprised at the quick apprehension and knee-jerk reaction to any mention of faith - its almost allergic.

But sticking to the topic ...you read that article about Pakistanis being in more well to do positions of the more ethically acceptable positions of doctors, economists (bigsmile), financial analysts and accountants. ?

 

[modern.fakir]

Surprising ...dont you know the culture in your country ???..or what the favorite past time is ???...How easy is it to get alchohol there or an alchohol serving establishment ?...that comes as a really big surprise to me ...

Anyhow, this is again moving from the topic but here are some words from the alchohol producers and marketers association :

http://www.discus.org/economics/

Economic Contributions of the Distilled Spirits Industry
The alcohol industry's role in the U.S. economy

• The U.S. beverage alcohol industry is a major contributor to the US economy, responsible for nearly $388 billion in total US economic activity in 2008.
• Total economic activity contributed by distilled spirits in 2008 was $115 billion, or 30 percent of total economic activity from all beverage alcohol.
• The U.S. beverage alcohol industry generated $91 billion in wages and over 3.9 million jobs for U.S. workers.

Now this is just purely the industry related to alchohol generation and marketing. This alchohol industry then expands into extended industries like Hopitalty, Entertainment, Tourism where alchohol is then served in everywhere from (strip clubs, casinos, gambling dens, some bingo halls etc). And this is a high growth industry ..this is not according to me but your own bureau of labor statistics ...here chew on this (bigsmile) :

• Between 2004 and 2014, the Hospitality industry is expected to add 17 percent in wage and salary employment. Within the industry, wage and salary jobs in food services and drinking places are expected to increase by 16 percent between 2004-14, compared to 14 percent growth projected for wage and salary employment in all industries combined.
• Food services and drinking places provided many young people with their first jobs in 2004 - more than 21 percent of workers in these establishments were aged 16 to 19, about 5 times the proportion for all industries.
• The accommodation and food services sector makes up approximately 8 percent of all employment nationally (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Industry at a Glance). Two out of five workers in the industry are part-time - more than twice the proportion for all industries.

http://www.doleta.gov/brg/indprof/hospitality_profile.cfm


Now i can go on and on ...but one more thing before i go ...Pork and its value chain industries are also immense ...here lets read and you can research figures on there site, i'll leave the link for you :

The agribusiness sector, which provides production agriculture with necessary inputs and which adds value to farm products, continues to thrive. The economic impact of agribusiness is huge. This food and fiber sector accounts for about one-eighth of the U.S. gross domestic product ($1.26 trillion in 2000) and employs just over one-sixth of the U.S. civilian labor force (24.1 million workers)

http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/econrevenues.html

Now I will do some basic arithmetic and not even taking into consideration other sub industries but 1.26 trillion from just pork related industries plus 388 billion from just alchohol producers and I'm not even going to talk about the Favourite industry in California and where Ernie came from ..it is beyond all kinds of moral turpitude let alone Islamicness .

So a very rough 2 trillion dollar consideration not accounting for several other sub-industries I'd say is a fair shot in the dark from a " Economic Significance" stand point, coming from a non-economist like me.

So if the average muslim cant fully participate in about 2 - 3 trillion dollar worth of economic activity ...second best is definitely excellent keeping in mind the overall ethical objectives ...

I really love this smiley symbol (bigsmile)(bigsmile)

Pehli baat.. I am not against religion. Read the last line of my own post


Dusri baat
>>(drinking, clubbing, strip clubbing, adult movie stores etc), which happens to be a big part of their economy

Where's your data to support this?

@Adeel we need an emoticon for hawai-firing

 

[modern.fakir]

[hilar][hilar][hilar] ...Id be anything anyday than being a pathologically pathetic liar coming from a group of mass deception propogators ....here have you managed to dig your self out of this massive national embarrassment you BUNCH OF LIARS ....after this International Embarassment ...maybe you can even take some classes in lieing ...so that you may atleast be worth something in NOTHING ....hahahaha

[h=1]Security agencies conned into issuing fake May 6 terror alert?
Josy Joseph, TNN May 14, 2012, 04.25AM IST

[/h]
NEW DELHI: Were Indian security agencies conned into issuing the May 6 terror alert when photographs of four traders and a security guard from Pakistan were splashed as those of Lashkar terrorists who had sneaked into India to carry out attacks in Mumbai?
As the government probes the embarrassment which on Sunday sparked protests from traders in Lahore, they are closely looking at the possibility of an Indian intelligence operative having been hoaxed by Pakistani tricksters who have been seeking to exploit India's anxiety to prevent terror attacks from across the border
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...ies-intelligence-agencies-indian-intelligence

@modern fakir is a deck of cards with missing aces. He is a cheap vacuum cleaner that makes lot of noise but no suction.[hilar]

 

[nomi304]

 

[AsifAmeer]

You just threw up all over the place.
>>The U.S. beverage alcohol industry is a major contributor to the US economy, responsible for nearly $388 billion in total US economic activity in 2008.

Know what the GDP for US was in 2008? $14.3 Trillion. Thats less than 3% of the whole US economy. Plus the $388 billion is coming from Liquor industry leaning article.

So you go from Alcohol to agri GDP figures? Kinda intellectual dishonesty there... dont ya think?

Surprising ...dont you know the culture in your country ???..or what the favorite past time is ???...How easy is it to get alchohol there or an alchohol serving establishment ?...that comes as a really big surprise to me ...

Anyhow, this is again moving from the topic but here are some words from the alchohol producers and marketers association :

http://www.discus.org/economics/

Economic Contributions of the Distilled Spirits Industry
The alcohol industry's role in the U.S. economy

• The U.S. beverage alcohol industry is a major contributor to the US economy, responsible for nearly $388 billion in total US economic activity in 2008.
• Total economic activity contributed by distilled spirits in 2008 was $115 billion, or 30 percent of total economic activity from all beverage alcohol.
• The U.S. beverage alcohol industry generated $91 billion in wages and over 3.9 million jobs for U.S. workers.

Now this is just purely the industry related to alchohol generation and marketing. This alchohol industry then expands into extended industries like Hopitalty, Entertainment, Tourism where alchohol is then served in everywhere from (strip clubs, casinos, gambling dens, some bingo halls etc). And this is a high growth industry ..this is not according to me but your own bureau of labor statistics ...here chew on this (bigsmile) :

• Between 2004 and 2014, the Hospitality industry is expected to add 17 percent in wage and salary employment. Within the industry, wage and salary jobs in food services and drinking places are expected to increase by 16 percent between 2004-14, compared to 14 percent growth projected for wage and salary employment in all industries combined.
• Food services and drinking places provided many young people with their first jobs in 2004 - more than 21 percent of workers in these establishments were aged 16 to 19, about 5 times the proportion for all industries.
• The accommodation and food services sector makes up approximately 8 percent of all employment nationally (Bureau of Labor Statistics, Industry at a Glance). Two out of five workers in the industry are part-time - more than twice the proportion for all industries.

http://www.doleta.gov/brg/indprof/hospitality_profile.cfm


Now i can go on and on ...but one more thing before i go ...Pork and its value chain industries are also immense ...here lets read and you can research figures on there site, i'll leave the link for you :

The agribusiness sector, which provides production agriculture with necessary inputs and which adds value to farm products, continues to thrive. The economic impact of agribusiness is huge. This food and fiber sector accounts for about one-eighth of the U.S. gross domestic product ($1.26 trillion in 2000) and employs just over one-sixth of the U.S. civilian labor force (24.1 million workers)

http://www.epa.gov/oecaagct/ag101/econrevenues.html

Now I will do some basic arithmetic and not even taking into consideration other sub industries but 1.26 trillion from just pork related industries plus 388 billion from just alchohol producers and I'm not even going to talk about the Favourite industry in California and where Ernie came from ..it is beyond all kinds of moral turpitude let alone Islamicness .

So a very rough 2 trillion dollar consideration not accounting for several other sub-industries I'd say is a fair shot in the dark from a " Economic Significance" stand point, coming from a non-economist like me.

So if the average muslim cant fully participate in about 2 - 3 trillion dollar worth of economic activity ...second best is definitely excellent keeping in mind the overall ethical objectives ...

I really love this smiley symbol (bigsmile)(bigsmile)

 

[Unicorn]

[hilar][hilar][hilar] ...Id be anything anyday than being a pathologically pathetic liar coming from a group of mass deception propogators ....here have you managed to dig your self out of this massive national embarrassment you BUNCH OF LIARS ....after this International Embarassment ...maybe you can even take some classes in lieing ...so that you may atleast be worth something in NOTHING ....hahahaha

Security agencies conned into issuing fake May 6 terror alert?
Josy Joseph, TNNMay 14, 2012, 04.25AM IST




NEW DELHI: Were Indian security agencies conned into issuing the May 6 terror alert when photographs of four traders and a security guard from Pakistan were splashed as those of Lashkar terrorists who had sneaked into India to carry out attacks in Mumbai?
As the government probes the embarrassment which on Sunday sparked protests from traders in Lahore, they are closely looking at the possibility of an Indian intelligence operative having been hoaxed by Pakistani tricksters who have been seeking to exploit India's anxiety to prevent terror attacks from across the border
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...ies-intelligence-agencies-indian-intelligence

OOOOOOOOOOOOO poor Fake_r still recovering from the last throbbing. India is reasonably well respected international and that is eating you from inside:(

 

[modern.fakir]

Yeah yeah ..im always recovering from the massive lies and the following laughter which entails from the stupidity displayed by your kind [hilar][hilar][hilar] ....and the brilliance of your self respect was very well seen in Australia where you got a thrashing for showing this blatant respect. [hilar][hilar]

I'll wait for another false flag lie to laugh at your face ....the humour is mind boggling !![hilar][hilar][hilar]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO poor Fake_r still recovering from the last throbbing. India is reasonably well respected international and that is eating you from inside:(

 

[modern.fakir]

Dude, do you understand english ? "ALCHOHOL production is a major part of the US ECONOMY" ...does this mean anything to you ?

and one more thing, can you please drop this hillbilly type "Talk first-Think Later" attitude ?...Like where are you from: Texas ???

I'm talking about ALL industries considered morally unacceptable to Muslims like Alchohol, Haram Entertainment, Pork production and so and so forth. The question is Alchohol is a MAJOR PART OF THE US ECONOMY ? and so are its supporting industries in which it is used, such as entertainment, nightclubs, stip clubs, casinos ..tourism and so on and so forth. Just alchohol production equates to 388 billion and the supporting industries definitely go up to 2 trillion and if i add in pork which the scribe has mentioned as "This food and fiber sector" accounts for about one-eighth of the U.S. gross domestic product ($1.26 trillion in 2000).

So the words "THIS FOOD AND FIBRE" under the heading of Pork is obviously referring to it. and if i do a conservative total of all this:

388 billion + 1.26 trillion + support industries for alchohol = roughly 2 trillion at the very least and like you said the us GDP was 14.28 in 2008 ...so what percentage is 2/14.28 ? = 14% ...This is a very conservative estimate ...my estimates go up to 19% - to 20 %
so 20% of 14.28 trillion = 2.8 trillion ...is this a major part of the economy to be left out or not ??

If anyone is devoid of intellectual dishonesty then it is your own sources ...Im not publishing these articles my self.

The majority god fearing Muslim will never work directly in alchohol related or morally corrupt entertainment industry and they form a big piece of the US economy, plus they cant build as effective a network as some of their counterpart from other faiths but yet they are second best. Big deal !

You just threw up all over the place.
>>The U.S. beverage alcohol industry is a major contributor to the US economy, responsible for nearly $388 billion in total US economic activity in 2008.

Know what the GDP for US was in 2008? $14.3 Trillion. Thats less than 3% of the whole US economy. Plus the $388 billion is coming from Liquor industry leaning article.

So you go from Alcohol to agri GDP figures? Kinda intellectual dishonesty there... dont ya think?

 

[dahashatkush]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO poor Fake_r still recovering from the last throbbing. India is reasonably well respected international and that is eating you from inside:(

bhai maan jao jo kahata hai , fakir ko kabhi lautate nahi ,uper se modern fakir ka indophobia.

 

[Unicorn]

bhai maan jao jo kahata hai , fakir ko kabhi lautate nahi ,uper se modern fakir ka indophobia.

I am going to teach him lots of lessons I already taught a few.

 

[dahashatkush]

I am going to teach him lots of lessons I already taught a few.

handle with care , this is not a normal case ,i mean indophobia causes serious psychlogical disabilities .