Chairman Sunni Itehad Council Bashes Fazal ur Rehman: 'Aap Kathputli hain aur Hamesha Rahaingay Hamain Pata Hai aap kis ke isharon par nachty hain'

[Kavalier]

Alternative views and playing into hands of those or rather towing the narrative of enemies is fine with you? We as humans have different views that is absolutely fine BUT when someone offers views or rather tows a narrative that feeds the enemies of Pakistan what then? should we close our eyes?

are you a marxist?

I am not a marxist. And playig in the hands of the enemies is not fine with me, BUT, again you are just supposing that someone is playing in the hands of others, do you have any proofs? Even if it is a weak proof, please share....

 

[Pathfinder]

I am not a marxist. And playig in the hands of the enemies is not fine with me, BUT, again you are just supposing that someone is playing in the hands of others, do you have any proofs? Even if it is a weak proof, please share....

gulai ismail! in your own way explain that to me!

 

[Kavalier]

gulai ismail! in your own way explain that to me!

The lady you called a "bitch" is not Gulai Ismail.

 

[Pathfinder]

The lady you called a "bitch" is not Gulai Ismail.

no but if you have prepped to lecture me then let's start from this particular one!

 

[Kavalier]

no but if you have prepped to lecture me then let's start from this particular one!

For one, this is not a lecture, I just wanted to say that we can like or dislike someone but we should not be abusive or judgemental of someone's honesty/purity without proofs.

Secondly, the whole discussion is about your particular comment and you are bringing in a totally irrelevant character in it. This is same that I call IK an honest person, you oppose me by saying that let us discuss NS and if NS is corrupt this would mean everyone else would also be corrupt.

 

[Pathfinder]

For one, this is not a lecture, I just wanted to say that we can like or dislike someone but we should not be abusive or judgemental of someone's honesty/purity without proofs.

Secondly, the whole discussion is about your particular comment and you are bringing in a totally irrelevant character in it. This is same that I call IK an honest person, you oppose me by saying that let us discuss NS and if NS is corrupt this would mean everyone else would also be corrupt.

what do you want? let's start from this. you said you are not a marxist thus I assume not any other subsidiary of marxism either? What affiliation do you have with that woman? clearly it has upset you enough!

 

[Kavalier]

what do you want? let's start from this. you said you are not a marxist thus I assume not any other subsidiary of marxism either? What affiliation do you have with that woman? clearly it has upset you enough!

I have no affiliation with that woman, but is it necessary to be affiliated with someone for respecting and giving basic right of independent thinking??

I wonder why haven't been clear enough to convey my message, the message is simply that we should not abuse or declare someone traitor just because he or she believes in a different ideology.

 

[Pathfinder]

I have no affiliation with that woman, but is it necessary to be affiliated with someone for respecting and giving basic right of independent thinking??

I wonder why haven't been clear enough to convey my message, the message is simply that we should not abuse or declare someone traitor just because he or she believes in a different ideology.

hmmn, I will go back to what I said earlier, difference of opinion and toeing a narrative that is against you and one that is fathomed by enemies! the difference is night and day. I have an issue with the marxist in Pakistan because I have met them here in Britain. After meeting them I came to the said conclusion.

This is my opinion. this is me conveying my message! Hopefully its received.

 

[Kavalier]

hmmn, I will go back to what I said earlier, difference of opinion and toeing a narrative that is against you and one that is fathomed by enemies! the difference is night and day. I have an issue with the marxist in Pakistan because I have met them here in Britain. After meeting them I came to the said conclusion.

This is my opinion. this is me conveying my message! Hopefully its received.

And I accepted in my very first reply that if someone is doing it on foreign agenda, then it is not OK with me. The only thing here is that we cannot sweep all in one statement and abuse them without any proof. I even doubt that she is a marxist but even if she is, to be a marxist is nothing bad and does not deserve abuse.

 

[Pathfinder]

And I accepted in my very first reply that if someone is doing it on foreign agenda, then it is not OK with me. The only thing here is that we cannot sweep all in one statement and abuse them without any proof. I even doubt that she is a marxist but even if she is, to be a marxist is nothing bad and does not deserve abuse.

my question again why does it bother you SO MUCH!

 

[Kavalier]

my question again why does it bother you SO MUCH!

Is it bad to suggest something good? Or you find it offensive that I tell you now to abuse? In that case I am sorry, it was just the humane side of it.

All of us have women in our homes, and we should learn to respect them, even if we do not agree to what they say or do. Just think how would you feel , if someone calls you with a bad name for no concrete reason, or for just believing in something.

 

[Pathfinder]

Is it bad to suggest something good? Or you find it offensive that I tell you now to abuse? In that case I am sorry, it was just the humane side of it.

All of us have women in our homes, and we should learn to respect them, even if we do not agree to what they say or do. Just think how would you feel , if someone calls you with a bad name for no concrete reason, or for just believing in something.

again, merci for the mannerism. BUT why is it bugging you so much! now if you say that you have NO affiliation with said person then I am a lot less likely to believe that per every reply from you!

 

[Kavalier]

again, merci for the mannerism. BUT why is it bugging you so much! now if you say that you have NO affiliation with said person then I am a lot less likely to believe that per every reply from you!

I would have said the same if you had mentioned anyone like this without any known facts or proofs. To be honest, I even do not know her, what bothered me is the comment "marxist bitch" for two reasons. One, why would we call someone "bitch" at all, second, being marxist is not bad, it is just another ideology.

 

[Pathfinder]

I would have said the same if you had mentioned anyone like this without any known facts or proofs. To be honest, I even do not know her, what bothered me is the comment "marxist bitch" for two reasons. One, why would we call someone "bitch" at all, second, being marxist is not bad, it is just another ideology.

and that led you to lock horns with me and debate it to death? why is it good being a marxist? Do tell me that!

 

[Kavalier]

and that led you to lock horns with me and debate it to death? why is it good being a marxist? Do tell me that!

counter question, why is it bad being a marxist?

 

[Pathfinder]

counter question, why is it bad being a marxist?

answer me first!! you are the one offended.

 

[Kavalier]

answer me first!! you are the one offended.

Marxism is just another ideology, if there are people who believe in it, there must be something in it. There are complete lands, states, in fact there was a time when more than half the world was running on marxism, and that too not long ago. It was a fight of ideologies and the so called democracy which came out of capitalism, have won it momentarily with it's attractive looking package and propaganda.

There is nothing wrong with any ideology, it is the way we put it into practice.

 

[Pathfinder]

Marxism is just another ideology, if there are people who believe in it, there must be something in it. There are complete lands, states, in fact there was a time when more than half the world was running on marxism, and that too not long ago. It was a fight of ideologies and the so called democracy which came out of capitalism, have won it momentarily with it's attractive looking package and propaganda.

There is nothing wrong with any ideology, it is the way we put it into practice.

are you Muslim?

 

[Kavalier]

are you Muslim?

Now all of a sudden you are going to attack me and declare me something according to your wishes. This is what I am trying to say from the very start, everyone has his or her right to believe in an ideology and trust me everyone has his reasons, which others cannot deny.

I am a muslim alhamdolillah.

 

[Pathfinder]

Now all of a sudden you are going to attack me and declare me something according to your wishes. This is what I am trying to say from the very start, everyone has his or her right to believe in an ideology and trust me everyone has his reasons, which others cannot deny.

I am a muslim alhamdolillah.

I asked a very simple question and you have made up your mind that I am going to label you! then you say that you are NOT a marxist!! you could have said that I am a Muslim, Yes! If you are not, No.

Now to my main point, what does karl marx have to say about Islam? do you know?