Britain says 'no' but US ready to act alone on Syria

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MPs vote against UK government motion on the principle of military intervention in Syria .

British MPs have voted to reject possible military action against the Assad government in Syria to deter the use of chemical weapons.


A government motion was defeated by 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.


Prime Minster David Cameron said it was clear Parliament does not want action and "the government will act accordingly".
It effectively rules out British involvement in any US-led strikes against the Assad regime.


Labour leader Ed Miliband said the vote meant military action was "off the agenda", and added that MPs had reacted against the prime minister's "cavalier and reckless" leadership.


The defeat comes as a potential blow to the authority of Mr Cameron, who had already watered down a government motion proposing military action, in response to Labour's demands for more evidence of Assad's guilt.


Labour had seen its own amendment - calling for "compelling" evidence - rejected by MPs by 114 votes.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23892783#TWEET872505

 

[Vitamin_C]

Re: MPs vote against UK government motion on the principle of military intervention in Syria .

Shows the difference between US democracy and UK democracy... At-least there is some sanity left.
USA cannot actand face Russia without UK, I think this whole deal will be called off.
France is lap dog of USA but they dont carry as much weight as UK does.

 

[UKPakistani]

Re: MPs vote against UK government motion on the principle of military intervention in Syria .

There will be another vote next week, when they will hope to persuade 6 or seven to change their minds

That will be enough

 

[Bani Adam]

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U.S. Prepares for Solo Strike On Syria After Britain Balks

The Obama administration laid the groundwork for unilateral military action in Syria, a shift officials said reflected the U.K.'s abrupt decision not to participate and concerns that President Bashar al-Assad was using the delayed Western response to disperse his military assets.

Mr. Obama is prepared to act without Britain, officials said, noting that unlike U.S. involvement in the 2011 military operation in Libya, the options under consideration in Syria are smaller-scale and wouldn't require a coalition to be effective.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324463604579042913385135196.html

 

[insaf_tiger]

Re: MPs vote against UK government motion on the principle of military intervention in Syria .

(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)(clap) welldone England ... I am proud I lived in England ... although I am against basaral ul asad but war with Syria is not right

 

[Vitamin_C]

Re: MPs vote against UK government motion on the principle of military intervention in Syria .

In UK it will not be that easy even if 10 MPs change their minds... The message is clear that Public is against such action. Even though its non binding, if the PM does something stupid it could destroy is political career.

There will be another vote next week, when they will hope to persuade 6 or seven to change their minds

That will be enough

 

[Mojo-jojo]

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No 'slam dunk' proof Assad was behind Syria chemical attack, say US officials: O.
bama prepares to go it alone with airstrike

• Phrase 'slam dunk' is a reference to CIA language used ahead of Iraq war
• Despite doubts, US is still expected to go alone to launch limited airstrike
• Obama prepared to go ahead despite rejection of military action by Britain

By David Gardner
PUBLISHED: 19:30 EST, 29 August 2013 | UPDATED: 19:53 EST, 29 August 2013

Intelligence reports on the Syrian chemical attack far from prove that President Bashar al-Assad was responsible, US officials said last night One admitted the evidence was not a slam dunk - a pointed reference to language used by the CIA to describe intelligence on weapons of mass destruction ahead of the Iraq war.

Despite those doubts, United States is expected to go it alone to launch a limited airstrike on Syria.

Military intervention: A US Air Force plane lands at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey yesterday. United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has said the inspection team in Syria is expected to complete its work by today

President Barack Obama is prepared to go ahead despite last nights rejection of military action by Britain, according to senior US administration officials.

Last night the White House briefed national security staff and senior lawmakers to lay the groundwork for missile strikes, which could come as soon as tomorrow.

On Wednesday, President Obama declared that the Syrian regime was responsible for the chemical attack.

Yesterday he ordered a classified report which makes Americas case for intervention to be made public.

But Washington officials insisted that the report was not a slam dunk. The basketball term was a deliberate reference to claims made by former CIA director George Tenet in 2002.

He said US intelligence showing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a slam dunk. That intelligence turned out to be wrong.

Plan: President Barack Obama is prepared to go ahead with a limited airstrike on Syria despite last nights rejection of military action by Britain, according to senior US administration officials

The declassified report does not contain a smoking gun directly linking Assad to the massacre that killed at least 350 people last week, officials said.

American satellites have captured images of Syrian troops moving trucks into weapons storage areas and removing materials, but analysts have not been able to track what was moved or, in some cases, where it was relocated.

This means a possible series of US cruise missile strikes aimed at crippling Assads military infrastructure could hit newly hidden supplies of chemical weapons, accidentally triggering another attack.

The US also intercepted a phone call in which Syrian military officials discussed the strike, but the staff were only low-level, the officials said.

It did not contain any direct evidence tying the attack back to Assad or even a senior Syrian commander the link the White House is looking for.

It wants to rule out the possibility that a rogue element of the military decided to use chemical weapons without authorisation.

So while Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government were undeniable, US intelligence officials are not certain that it was carried out on Assads orders.

Claim: Secretary of State John Kerry said on Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government were 'undeniable'

They are not even completely sure it was carried out by government forces.

Despite these reservations, Mr Obama was said to be confident that there was sufficient evidence to act once UN inspectors have left Syria tomorrow.

The strike is likely to be a cruise missile bombardment from US destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean, probably only lasting for a couple of days.

A fifth US warship was expected to arrive in the region today.

A US State Department official said President Obama would not wait for Britain, explaining: We cant wait. We need to act according to our own national interests. We need to act. Why do we need to wait for a UN report to tell us what we already know?

Asked why the US had to go it alone in Syria while Europe hesitated, congressman Eliot Engel, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said: Its difficult to answer that question.

He didnt openly criticise Britain, but added: As the US we stand for something. We stand for democracy. We stand for human rights. In the US we have principles.

'These are difficult decisions. We dont take them lightly. I think the world has to show its revulsion and this is a way of doing it. The worst choice we can do is to do nothing.

Russia is sending an anti- submarine battleship and a missile cruiser to the eastern Mediterranean in a move described as gunboat diplomacy over Syria. Experts say the bolstering of Moscows naval presence could potentially give the Assad regime early warning of Western submarine cruise missile launches, or jam radars and navigation systems.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2406272/Syria-crisis-No-slam-dunk-proof-Bashar-al-Assad-Syrian-chemical-attack-say-US-officials.html

 

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[Mehrushka]

Britain says 'no' but US ready to act alone on Syria

LONDON: British lawmakers have rejected their government's call for military strikes against the Syrian regime, leaving the US to look elsewhere for international partners while reserving the right to act alone against Damascus.


The British House of Commons voted Thursday to defy Prime Minister David Cameron's bid to win support for military intervention over the Syrian regime's suspected use of chemical weapons against its own people.


Speaking in Manila Friday, US Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel insisted Washington is still seeking an international coalition to take action against the Syrian regime.


Our approach is to continue to find an international coalition that will act together, Hagel told a news conference.


Hagel said Washington respected the British parliament's stance rejecting participation in any punitive strikes against Syria's regime.


We are continuing to consult with the British as with all of our allies.


That consultation includes ways forward together on a response to this chemical weapons attack in Syria, he added.


The decision also came after the failure of an improbable eleventh-hour effort by British diplomats to win UN backing for action against Bashar al-Assad's regime at a meeting of the permanent members of the Security Council.


"It is clear to me that the British parliament, reflecting the views of the British people, does not want to see British military action. I get that and the government will act accordingly," Cameron said.


That, combined with deadlock at the United Nations, appeared to effectively sound the death knell for the idea of a broad-based Western military coalition, although other American allies might still participate.


But even before the surprise British vote, the White House had signalled that it was ready to act regardless of UN or allied support.


"We certainly are interested in engaging with the global international community on this issue," White House spokesman Josh Earnest said.


"But at the same time, the president's chief accountability is to the American people that he was elected to protect.


"The president believes strongly in making the kinds of decisions and taking the kinds of steps that are necessary to protect our core national security interests that we've acknowledged are at stake in this situation."


Earlier, envoys from the permanent five members of the UN Security Council Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States had met at UN headquarters in New York.


The 45-minute meeting was the second since Britain proposed a draft resolution to permit "all necessary measures" to protect Syrian civilians after a suspected chemical weapons attack last week.


But none of the envoys commented as they left.


Earlier in the week reports had suggested that a Western strike was imminent, but questions have been raised about the quality of the intelligence linking Assad to the attack.


The White House reached out to US lawmakers, with the president's top aides briefing congressional leaders in a 90 minute conference call.


Some members of Congress voiced support for limited, surgical strikes, while urging the administration to continue consulting closely with the Congress.


Nancy Pelosi, the minority leader in the House, said she agreed with House Speaker John Boehner that "there needs to be more consultation with all members of Congress and additional transparency into the decision making process and timing, and that the case needs to be made to the American people.


"It is clear that the American people are weary of war. However, Assad gassing his own people is an issue of our national security, regional stability and global security. We must be clear that the United States rejects the use of chemical weapons by Assad or any other regime," she said.


US warships armed with scores of cruise missiles are converging on the eastern Mediterranean, and US military officials have said they are ready to launch a powerful barrage against regime targets in Syria.


Assad's ally Russia has blocked all attempts to toughen international sanctions against Damascus or authorize outside force to punish or unseat the regime.


Syria, meanwhile, is in the 29th month of a vicious civil war in which more than 100,000 people are credibly reported to have died.


As the stand-off continues, a team of UN inspectors are investigating reports that last week's gas attack outside Damascus killed more than 350 people, including women and children.


A UN spokesman said Thursday that the team had collected "considerable" evidence and will brief UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon soon after they leave Syria on Saturday.


"Starting tomorrow he will try to reach out to member states and take discussions forward on the question of what is happening in Syria," the spokesman said.


Ban has appealed for the inspectors to be allowed to complete their work before the major powers decide any follow-up action.


Assad remained defiant in the face of the Western threats.


"Syria will defend itself in the face of any aggression," state television cited him as telling a visiting delegation of Yemeni politicians.


He vowed that any attack would result in "victory" for the Syrian people.


His regime has denied using chemical weapons and blamed "terrorist" rebels.


The mood among Damascus residents was fearful, while security forces prepared for possible air attacks by pulling back soldiers from potential targets and introducing tougher controls at roadblocks and hospitals.


http://dawn.com/news/1039299/britain-says-no-but-us-ready-to-act-alone-on-syria


well i guess the mad dog(US) have to get other allies now for this madness!!!

 

[Dhiraj Kumar]

Neither american senate/congress will support it.

USA should stop hampering other countries economy by escalating war.
World wont accept this agression @any cost

 

[Vitamin_C]

I am not sure if they can carry out their plan without the help of UK. Russia has taken a tough stand, China, Russia, Iran, Syria are united on their stand where as its a different story for US, UK and Saudis...
US will most probably call this off.

 

[kashoo]

after Russia threat, britian chooses to back off..world war is on if US still attack.

 

[Believer12]

برطانیہ کی پرانی عادت ھے آگ پر تیل ڈال کر پیچھے ھٹ جانا باقی کام امریکہ اور کراے کے جھادی کریں گے​

 

[Machar]

David Cameron: there will be no military action in Syria

 

[zain786]

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Russia ne phar de hai sab ki

 

[ambroxo]

Re: David Cameron: there will be no military action in Syria

شام کو بھرپور جواب دینے کی ضرورت ہے: ڈیوڈ کیمرون


برطانوی وزیرِاعظم نے کہا ہے کہ شام میں برطانوی مداخلت مسترد ہونے کے باوجود وہاں کیمیائی ہتھیاروں کے مبینہ استعمال کا بھرپور جواب دینا ضروری ہے۔

ڈیوڈ کیمرون کو اس وقت دارالعوام میں شکست ہو گئی تھی جب ارکان نے اس بنیاد پر فوجی کارروائی کے حق میں تحریک مسترد کر دی کہ فوجی کارروائی صرف شامی عوام کو بچانے کے لیے ہو سکتی ہے۔
ڈاؤننگ سٹریٹ میں بات کرتے ہوئے ڈیوڈ کیمرون نے کہا کہ انھوں افسوس ہے کہ وہ دمشق کے مضافات میں ہونے والے کیمیائی حملے کے خلاف اتفاقِ رائے قائم نہیں کر سکے۔
تاہم انھوں نے اصرار کیا کہ اس کے باوجود برطانیہ عالمی منظرنامے سے پوری طرح سے وابستہ رہے گا۔


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[Shanzeh]

Re: David Cameron: there will be no military action in Syria

شانزے خان ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ



ہم دل کی گہرائیوں سے شام میں جاری تشدد کی وجہ سے اور خاص طور پر اسد حکومت کی جانب سے اپنے ہی لوگوں کے خلاف ہولناک کارروائیوں کی وجہ سے فکر مند ہیں ۔بین الاقوامی برادری اس قتل عام اور عدم استحکام کو خاموش تماشائ بن کر نظر انداز نہيں کر سکتی۔ اسليےامريکہ نے اسد حکومت پر صاف الفاظ ميں واضع کيا ہے کہ وہ حکومت چھوڑ دے تاکہ شام کے لوگ پرامن ماحول ميں ايک دوسرے ساتھ مل کر اپنے حقوق کی حفاظت کرتے ہوۓ زندگی بسر کرسکيں۔ امریکہ شام میں جاری تنازعے ميں متاثر ہونے والے معصوم بچوں، خواتین، اور مردوں کی مدد کررہا ہے۔ اب تک امريکہ نے ان لوگوں کی مدد کيليے 475 ملین سے زيادہ
ڈالر ديے ہیں جو کہ باقی ڈونرز ممالک کی نسبت امداد کا سب سے بڑا عطيہ ہے۔


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شانزے خان ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ

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[Bani Adam]

Re: David Cameron: there will be no military action in Syria

.....the first PM to lose a vote on war in Parliament since 1782!

 

[Imranpak]

USA is ruled by Christian fanatics who want to accelerate Armageddon by constantly attacking the Middle East. UK being more of an atheist society is fortunate in this regard, Westminster does not have many Christian fanatics. British people are also wiser then Americans and can see when they are being lied to.