Baba Ratan Indian Sahabi Witnessed Moon Splitting Miracle of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)

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Baba Ratan of Bhatinda in Punjab who is said to have visited Makkah twice, and on both occasions to have met Prophet Muhammad SallalhuAliWasslam. Baba Ratan accepted Islam and then returned to India, where he lived on to the incredulously great age of seven hundred years!
His name is mentioned by Ibn Hajar Asqalanl
in his Asabafl marifati s-Sahdba and also by a'dh-Qhahabiin hisTajrid. The former ranks him as one of the companions of Muhammad. He is said to have died in 1234-5 A. D.and to have been buried in a place called Tabar Hind

REF:See Titus, Indian Islam, pp. 172-177.
Asraru-t-Tasawwuf, Manzil-i-Naqshbandiyya, Lahore*
April, 1925, pp. 10-11.
SUFISM
ITS SAINTS AND SHRINES.
An Introduction to the Study of Sufism with
Special Reference to India
BY JOHN A. SUB.MAN, B.A., B.D.
THB METHODIST EPISCOPAL CHURCH
LECTURER HENRY MARTYN SCHOOL OF ISLAMICS, LAHORE
LAHORE INDIA MARCH 1938 PUBLISH BY :LUCKNOW PUBLICATION ,HAZRATGANJ UP.

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It is claimed the there was a young boy in time of our Prophet Mohammad (sallaho alehe wassalam) in Hindustan (in Bhunda nearly Dehli). Once he heard that there is a man in the land of Arabia who is claiming to be a Prophet. He took some belonging with him and left to travel thousand miles to meet the prophet and find out about the truth. He mentions a lot of things about his travels. Then finally he reaches Makka but finds out that the Prophet (sallaho alehe wassalam) who he is looking for has left for Madina. He then goes to Madina and presents himself in the blessed court of Rasool Allah (sallaho alehe
wassalam). There is no history about what happens to him afterwards. Where does he stays; what does he learns etc etc.


It is claimed that he returned back to his village (bhunda) and died. Dr Ishfaq then mentions a story where he met this teacher who happened to visit the mazar of Baba Ratan Hindi in India and got great blessings from it. (he got his dua accepted there as well).



A German historian has also done a lot of research on baba rattan hindi. He mentions his travel to Arabia and other details.



After doing a lot of searching and asking our Scholar about it. I was only able to find books which were written by Deobandi Ulemas. They had different of opinions amongst them about sahabiat of Baba Ratan Hindi. Some of them have written a lot of proofs that he was actually a sahabi and I have also read a refutation on those books.


Have anyone of your come across this story before? What do Ulema of Ahlesunnah wa Jam’at say about him.



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False things have always been attributed to great personalities of Islam through out the history. Dr. Tahir ul Qadri is no exception to that. He emerged so quickly, and had so many accomplishments in such a short span of time, that some corners started their organized efforts to defame him. They attributed lots of things to him which either he never said, or were quoted out of context.

One of the most mis-reported issues is that of his dreams. In this post I would analyze this issue in a little bit detail. But before that, I would suggest the readers to obey the following teaching of Quran (Sura Hujrat 49:6)

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

Importance of Dreams in Islam in the Light of Sahih Hadith

1. Good Dreams are part of Prophetism: Allah’s Apostle said, “A good Dream (that comes true) of a righteous man is one of forty-six parts of prophetism.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 112)

The Prophet said, “A true good Dream is from Allah, and a bad Dream is from Satan.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 113)
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Nothing is left of the prophetism except Al-Mubashshirat.” They asked, “What are Al-Mubashshirat?” He replied, “The true good dreams (that conveys glad tidings).” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 119)

2. Seeing the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in dreams: The Prophet said, “Whoever has seen me in a Dream, then no doubt, he has seen me, for Satan cannot imitate my shape.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 123)

Mentioning 0r Sharing Dreams is Sunnah of Holy Prophet(PBUH)
Is mentioning dreams a bad thing?

1. Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) mentioned his dreams:


The Prophet said, “… while I was sleeping last night, the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me till they were put in my hand.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 127)

Allah’s Apostle said, “I saw myself (in a Dream) near the Ka’ba last night, and I saw a man with whitish red complexion …I asked, ‘Who is this man?’ Somebody replied, ‘(He is) Messiah, son of Mary.’ …” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 128)
Allah’s Apostle … said, “Some of my followers were presented before me in my Dream as fighters in Allah’s Cause, sailing in the middle of the seas like kings on the thrones or like kings sitting on their thrones.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 130)
Above 3 Ahadith show that Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) used to describe his dreams, or in other words, narrating one’s dreams is the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم).

Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked Sahaba to mention their dreams:

Allah’s Apostle very often used to ask his companions, “Did anyone of you see a Dream?” So dreams would be narrated to him by those whom Allah wished to tell. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 171)

Above Hadith (alongwith other similar ones) show that the Prophet (
صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) used to encourage Sahaba to narrate their dreams.

3. Sahaba used to mention their dreams: Narated By Ibn ‘Umar: Men from the companions of Allah’s Apostle used to see dreams during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle and they used to narrate those dreams to Allah’s Apostle. Allah’s Apostle would interpret them as Allah wished. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 155)
Narated By Ibn ‘Umar: I was a young unmarried man during the lifetime of the Prophet. I used to sleep in the mosque. Anyone who had a Dream, would narrate it to the Prophet. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 156)

2. Ahl-e-Hadith / Wahabi /Salafi school of thought Dreams:

Ibn-e-Qayam, an Imam acknowledged by Ahl-e-Hadith / Wahabi people, has recorded numerous dreams in his book “Kitab
ur Ruh”.


3. Deobandi school of thought Dreams:


Most of the objections against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s dreams were raised by a Deobandi based “Islamic” Jama’at. Ironically, the Deobandi school of thought is much ahead of all others in describing their dreams. “Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband” is a collection of those dreams which people saw about this Dar ul Uloom. Ashraf Ali Thanvi has recorded hundreds of dreams of various people in his book “Hakayat ul Owliya”. Other Deobandi books which are filled with the descriptions of dreams include “Imdad ul Mushtaq” by Ashraf Ali Thanvi, “Tazkira tur Rasheed” by Ashiq Ali Mirathi, “Tazkira Fazl ur Rehman” by Abu ul Hasan Nadvi, and “Asdaq ur Roya” by Ashraf Ali Thanvi.

4. Tablighi Jama’at Dreams:

Molana Muhammad Zikriya (the founder of Tablighi Jama’at) has himself recorded his numerous dreams in the book “Aap Beeti”. 40 of his dreams have been collected in another book “Mahboob ul Aaraifin”. More dreams related to Tablighi Jama’at are collected in “Bahja tul Qaloob”.



Objection Answered:

Now we would discuss the most important objection raised on this issue, which says:“Why did the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ask Dr. Sahib for the arrangements of the stay or travel, including the ticket? Does the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) need such things to travel and is he dependant on Dr. Sahib for these arrangements (Na Uzu Billah)?”We would address this by discussing it from 3 angles:

1. The act of asking doesn’t show dependence
2. Similar dreams seen by scholars in past
3. Dreams are subject to interpretation

1. The act of asking doesn’t show dependence:
The act of asking can have various reasons; it doesn’t necessarily show that the person asking for something is dependent on it. E.g the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked for various things during his life, which many a times were meant to honor the person. E.g. the Hadith of Mishqat, which is also narrated by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Bahaqi, shows that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked an Ansari Sahabi to feed him. Similarly in Nur ud Din Zangi’s era, the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came to his Dream, informed him of the conspirators who were trying to get the body of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) from his grave, and then asked him “Save me from these two (conspirators)” (Wafa ul Wafa / Khalasa tul Wafa / Jazab ul Qaloob) Was the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) dependent on Nur ud Din Zangi (Na Uzu Billah)? Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) can ask such things from others to honor them; this doesn’t show that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) is dependent on anyone.

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If asking for something shows dependence, then is Allah also dependent (Na Uzu Billah) who is making questions in the following verses of Quran:“…give regular Charity; and loan to Allah a Beautiful Loan.” (Al-Muzamil 73:20)

“Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful loan, which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times?” (Al-Baqara 2:245)

Surely no one would say that Allah’s act of asking for loan shows His dependence on that loan. It is surely meant for our own well-being.

The above example of Quran proves that the act of asking doesn’t show dependence of the questioner.

2. Similar dreams seen by scholars in past


The dreams of Dr. Sahib actually had nothing objectionable, especially when he had himself presented their possible interpretation. But a (so called) religious Jamat of Pakistan got the cassette of the speech, thoroughly tempered it by omitting various parts of it, and then distributed it in the masses to confuse the people. They changed the whole theme of the speech by cutting various parts of the speech and joining them together. This was a very shameful act which was done in an attempt to degrade Dr. Sahib.
As the Jamat which put alligations on Dr. Sahib’s dreams, primarily belongs to Deobandi school of thought, I would present a few examples of dreams reported by their own elders to show their reality.
Molana Rafi ud Din saw that Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came in his Dream, rejected the original boundaries planned for the construction of Dar ul Uloom Deoband, and marked new boundaries on a wider area with his stick. These marks were present in the morning and we built the building based on these marks. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 45)
Molana Qasim Nanotvi saw that he was standing on the roof of Kaba, and canals were emerging from his feet and spreading in the world. The narrator interprets that standing on the roof of Kaba represents Dar ul Uloom Deoband and canals represent its branches. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 35)Qari Muhammad Tayyab narrates that in Dream he saw that Dar ul Uloom Deoband has been established on the roof of the Masjid-e-Nabavi and his (i.e. Qari Sahib’s) residential room was also present there. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 53-54)
Molana Qasim Nanotvi saw during his childhood that he is sitting in the lap of Allah (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 63)
Molana Rafi ud Din saw that Molana Qasim Nanotvi’s grave is inside the grave of a Nabi (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 70)
Molana Abdul Rashid says that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) instructed in his Dream. “Serve Molana Zikriya, as serving him is like serving me. I visit his room quite often.” (Bahja tul Qaloob, Page 21)Molana Habib ur Rehman Usmani says that in a public gathering, which he was presiding over, the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came on a train. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 67)In a Dream the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) said: “The guests of Imdad Ullah are scholars, I would cook their food myself.” Then Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Rashid Ahmad Gangohi became Haji Imdad Ullah‘s guests. (Tazkira tur Rasheed, Page 46)



Comments: The elders of every school of thought saw dreams which require their تعبیر (interpretation). I have mostly quoted the examples from Deobandi school of thought, as they were most active in the whole campaign against Dr. Sahib’s dreams.Now we would move to the issue of interpretation of dreams (Inshallah).



3. Dreams are subject to interpretation


Dreams are subject to interpretation, this is proven from Quran. Hazrat Yaqoob (علیہ السلام) says to Hazrat Yusaf (علیہ السلام): “Thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of dreams …” (Yusuf 12:6) Hazrat Yusuf (AS) acknowledged it by saying “My Lord, You have given me the kingdom and taught me the meaning of dreams.” (Yusuf 12:101)
This sura alone has several examples where the interpretation of a Dream is different from the Dream itself. E.g. the stars in Hazrat Yusuf (علیہ السلام)’s Dream (in verse 12:4) actually meant his brothers. Similarly when “the King dreamt that seven lean cows were eating seven fat ones and that there were seven green ears of corn and seven dry ones” (Yusuf 12:43), the interpretation given by Hazrat Yusuf (علیہ السلام) was: “Cultivate your lands for seven years as usual and preserve the produce with its ears each year except the little amount that you will consume. After this will ensue seven years of famine in which all the grain that you have stored will be consumed except a small quantity. Then there will be a year with plenty of rain and people will have sufficient milk and other produce.” (Yusuf 12:47)
The above discussion proves that dreams are subject to interpretation (تعبیر) and should not be taken in their literal meanings.

Interpretations of dreams given by the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)

Example 1:
Milk means knowledge
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “While I was sleeping, I was given a bowl full of milk (in a Dream), and I drank of it to my fill until I noticed its wetness coming out of my nails, and then I gave the rest of it to ‘Umar.” They (the people) asked, “What have you interpreted (about the Dream)? O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “(It is Religious) knowledge.” (Bukhari Vol. 87, Book 9 No. 134)

Example 2: Size of shirt means strength in religion

Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri: Allah’s Apostle said, “While I was sleeping, some people were displayed before me (in a Dream). They were wearing shirts, some of which were merely covering their breasts, and some a bit longer. Then there passed before me, ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab wearing a shirt he was dragging it (on the ground behind him.)” They (the people) asked, “What have you interpreted (about the Dream) O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “The Religion.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 136)

Example 3: Cutting a part of the body means birth of a grand child

Hazrat Um e Fazal (رضی اللہ عنہا), the wife of Hazrat Abbas (رضی اللہ عنہ) saw in a Dream that a part from the body of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) has cut, and dropped in her lap. She got worried. But the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) said that its interpretation is good. A grand child of mine would be born which would play in your lap. So Hazrat Imam Hussain (علیہ السلام) was born. (Mishqat Sharif)

Example 4: Broken roof means return of husband
A woman asked from the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم): “I have seen the roof of my house broken.” He replied that her husband, whom was on a far off travel, would return. (Ahlam ul Anbiya wa Sulaha)


Comments so far:
The above Ahadith show that a Dream is subject to interpretation and it should not be taken in its literal meaning. So in the above Ahadith milk is interpreted as knowledge, size of shirt is interpreted as strength in religion, cutting a part of the body is interpreted as the birth of a grand child, and breaking of roof is interpreted as return of husband.

Strange interpretations related to the ziyara of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)


Ibn-e-Sireen (رحمت اللہ علیھ) is a famous Tabaee and is considered among the imams of interpretation of dreams. His famous book, Tabeer ur Roya (i.e. interpretation of dreams) enlists the interpretations to thousands of dreams, some of which (related to the ziyara of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) are given here:

Ibn e Sireen (رحمت اللہ علیھ), the imam of interpretation, says:1. If someone sees that he is digging or scraching the grave of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), it means that he would revive a Sunnah.2. If someone sees that he is drinking the blood of the Prophet (
صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), it means that he would be martyred in Jihad.3. If someone sees that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) has died at a place, it means that Sunnah would be eliminated from that place.One can see that ziyara of the Prophet (
صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in Dream can be interpreted in various ways. Some times the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) represents his Sunnah, sometimes Islamic teachings, sometimes the Muslim Ummah and sometimes other related things.

Dream of Imam Bukhari

Imam Bukhari saw that he is removing flies from the body of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم). An expert told him that flies represent fabricated Ahadith and he would remove / distinguish them from the authentic ones.

Dream of Imam Abu Hanifa
Imam Abu Hanifa saw that he was picking the bones of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) from his grave and he was giving preference to some bones over other bones. He became very puzzled at seeing this (as according to Ahadith earth cannot eat the body of the prophets). Ibn e Sireen told him that the Dream is good. He said that he (i.e. Imam Abu Hanifa) would carefully study the narrations of the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) and would pick the most authentic ones (to compile Fiqh).

Interpretation of Dr Tahir ul Qadri’s Dreams:

As we have seen, ziyara of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) can be interpreted in various ways. Some times coming of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in dreams represents his Sunnah, sometimes Islamic teachings, sometimes the Muslim Ummah and sometimes other related things. That’s why death of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) in Dream was interpreted as removal of his Sunnah, and flies trying to sit on his body were interpreted as false narrations attributed to him.Similarly, Dr Tahir ul Qadri’s dreams also require interpretation. So this is what he himself interpreted about them:
Note: The wording is mine, summarizing Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s wording:
Dream: The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make an Islamic center (Minhaj-ul-Quran) and promised me that he would come there (in that center).
Interpretation: Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)’s faiz would be included in that center.Dream : The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) was going to leave this country.
Interpretation: Islamic way of life is going away from our society. Dream: The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make arrangements of his stay.
Interpretation: The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) wanted me to start a struggle for the revival of Islam.Dream : The Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make arrangements of travel including the ticket of the journey.
Interpretation: Ticket and other arrangements of travel are sign of excessive traveling required for the preaching of Islam.

Conclusion:


In this thread we discussed 3 objections commonly raised against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s narrated dreams. Some points of our discussion are summarized here:

1. Some critics of Dr. Tahir ul Qadri accuse him that he is “using cheap ways to win popularity” by narrating his dreams. The fact is that he only narrated 2 or 3 dreams in only one of his speeches. Narrating one’s dreams is the Sunnah of the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), Sahaba, and scholars through out the Islamic history.
2. His statement that “the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) was angry with the scholars of
Pakistan”, was mis-interpreted. The statement does make the exception for those scholars who are genuinely working for Islam.

3. His statement that “the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) asked me to make arrangement of stay, travel and ticket” does not show that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) is dependent on such things. The dreams are subject to interpretation and should not be taken in their literal meanings. This was proven from the examples of Quran, Hadith and sayings of the imam of interpretation of dreams. Examples of dreams of other scholars (including the dreams of Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Bukhari) were given to illustrate this point.
4. Some of the dreams, which people have wrongly attributed with Dr. Sahib, were also touched. For example Dr. Sahib NEVER said that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) came in his Dream and asked him to come into politics or to contest election. He NEVER said that the Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) decided the name of his Jama’at (party). Numerous dreams are falsely attributed with him, so one should verify a statement made against him.THE END

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And what is this?



False things have always been attributed to great personalities of Islam through out the history. Dr. Tahir ul Qadri is no exception to that. He emerged so quickly, and had so many accomplishments in such a short span of time, that some corners started their organized efforts to defame him. They attributed lots of things to him which either he never said, or were quoted out of context.

One of the most mis-reported issues is that of his dreams. In this post I would analyze this issue in a little bit detail. But before that, I would suggest the readers to obey the following teaching of Quran (Sura Hujrat 49:6)

O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

Importance of Dreams in Islam in the Light of Sahih Hadith

1. Good Dreams are part of Prophetism: Allah’s Apostle said, “A good Dream (that comes true) of a righteous man is one of forty-six parts of prophetism.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 112)

The Prophet said, “A true good Dream is from Allah, and a bad Dream is from Satan.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 113)
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “Nothing is left of the prophetism except Al-Mubashshirat.” They asked, “What are Al-Mubashshirat?” He replied, “The true good dreams (that conveys glad tidings).” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 119)

2. Seeing the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) in dreams: The Prophet said, “Whoever has seen me in a Dream, then no doubt, he has seen me, for Satan cannot imitate my shape.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 123)

Mentioning 0r Sharing Dreams is Sunnah of Holy Prophet(PBUH)
Is mentioning dreams a bad thing?

1. Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) mentioned his dreams:


The Prophet said, “… while I was sleeping last night, the keys of the treasures of the earth were brought to me till they were put in my hand.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 127)

Allah’s Apostle said, “I saw myself (in a Dream) near the Ka’ba last night, and I saw a man with whitish red complexion …I asked, ‘Who is this man?’ Somebody replied, ‘(He is) Messiah, son of Mary.’ …” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 128)
Allah’s Apostle … said, “Some of my followers were presented before me in my Dream as fighters in Allah’s Cause, sailing in the middle of the seas like kings on the thrones or like kings sitting on their thrones.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 130)
Above 3 Ahadith show that Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) used to describe his dreams, or in other words, narrating one’s dreams is the Sunnah of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????).

Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked Sahaba to mention their dreams:

Allah’s Apostle very often used to ask his companions, “Did anyone of you see a Dream?” So dreams would be narrated to him by those whom Allah wished to tell. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 171)

Above Hadith (alongwith other similar ones) show that the Prophet (
??? ???? ???? ????? ????) used to encourage Sahaba to narrate their dreams.

3. Sahaba used to mention their dreams: Narated By Ibn ‘Umar: Men from the companions of Allah’s Apostle used to see dreams during the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle and they used to narrate those dreams to Allah’s Apostle. Allah’s Apostle would interpret them as Allah wished. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 155)
Narated By Ibn ‘Umar: I was a young unmarried man during the lifetime of the Prophet. I used to sleep in the mosque. Anyone who had a Dream, would narrate it to the Prophet. (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 156)

2. Ahl-e-Hadith / Wahabi /Salafi school of thought Dreams:

Ibn-e-Qayam, an Imam acknowledged by Ahl-e-Hadith / Wahabi people, has recorded numerous dreams in his book “Kitab
ur Ruh”.


3. Deobandi school of thought Dreams:


Most of the objections against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s dreams were raised by a Deobandi based “Islamic” Jama’at. Ironically, the Deobandi school of thought is much ahead of all others in describing their dreams. “Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband” is a collection of those dreams which people saw about this Dar ul Uloom. Ashraf Ali Thanvi has recorded hundreds of dreams of various people in his book “Hakayat ul Owliya”. Other Deobandi books which are filled with the descriptions of dreams include “Imdad ul Mushtaq” by Ashraf Ali Thanvi, “Tazkira tur Rasheed” by Ashiq Ali Mirathi, “Tazkira Fazl ur Rehman” by Abu ul Hasan Nadvi, and “Asdaq ur Roya” by Ashraf Ali Thanvi.

4. Tablighi Jama’at Dreams:

Molana Muhammad Zikriya (the founder of Tablighi Jama’at) has himself recorded his numerous dreams in the book “Aap Beeti”. 40 of his dreams have been collected in another book “Mahboob ul Aaraifin”. More dreams related to Tablighi Jama’at are collected in “Bahja tul Qaloob”.



Objection Answered:

Now we would discuss the most important objection raised on this issue, which says:“Why did the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) ask Dr. Sahib for the arrangements of the stay or travel, including the ticket? Does the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) need such things to travel and is he dependant on Dr. Sahib for these arrangements (Na Uzu Billah)?”We would address this by discussing it from 3 angles:

1. The act of asking doesn’t show dependence
2. Similar dreams seen by scholars in past
3. Dreams are subject to interpretation

1. The act of asking doesn’t show dependence:
The act of asking can have various reasons; it doesn’t necessarily show that the person asking for something is dependent on it. E.g the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked for various things during his life, which many a times were meant to honor the person. E.g. the Hadith of Mishqat, which is also narrated by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and Bahaqi, shows that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked an Ansari Sahabi to feed him. Similarly in Nur ud Din Zangi’s era, the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) came to his Dream, informed him of the conspirators who were trying to get the body of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) from his grave, and then asked him “Save me from these two (conspirators)” (Wafa ul Wafa / Khalasa tul Wafa / Jazab ul Qaloob) Was the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) dependent on Nur ud Din Zangi (Na Uzu Billah)? Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) can ask such things from others to honor them; this doesn’t show that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) is dependent on anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaD2p_EQ0AY

If asking for something shows dependence, then is Allah also dependent (Na Uzu Billah) who is making questions in the following verses of Quran:“…give regular Charity; and loan to Allah a Beautiful Loan.” (Al-Muzamil 73:20)

“Who is he that will loan to Allah a beautiful loan, which Allah will double unto his credit and multiply many times?” (Al-Baqara 2:245)

Surely no one would say that Allah’s act of asking for loan shows His dependence on that loan. It is surely meant for our own well-being.

The above example of Quran proves that the act of asking doesn’t show dependence of the questioner.

2. Similar dreams seen by scholars in past


The dreams of Dr. Sahib actually had nothing objectionable, especially when he had himself presented their possible interpretation. But a (so called) religious Jamat of Pakistan got the cassette of the speech, thoroughly tempered it by omitting various parts of it, and then distributed it in the masses to confuse the people. They changed the whole theme of the speech by cutting various parts of the speech and joining them together. This was a very shameful act which was done in an attempt to degrade Dr. Sahib.
As the Jamat which put alligations on Dr. Sahib’s dreams, primarily belongs to Deobandi school of thought, I would present a few examples of dreams reported by their own elders to show their reality.
Molana Rafi ud Din saw that Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) came in his Dream, rejected the original boundaries planned for the construction of Dar ul Uloom Deoband, and marked new boundaries on a wider area with his stick. These marks were present in the morning and we built the building based on these marks. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 45)
Molana Qasim Nanotvi saw that he was standing on the roof of Kaba, and canals were emerging from his feet and spreading in the world. The narrator interprets that standing on the roof of Kaba represents Dar ul Uloom Deoband and canals represent its branches. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 35)Qari Muhammad Tayyab narrates that in Dream he saw that Dar ul Uloom Deoband has been established on the roof of the Masjid-e-Nabavi and his (i.e. Qari Sahib’s) residential room was also present there. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 53-54)
Molana Qasim Nanotvi saw during his childhood that he is sitting in the lap of Allah (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 63)
Molana Rafi ud Din saw that Molana Qasim Nanotvi’s grave is inside the grave of a Nabi (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 70)
Molana Abdul Rashid says that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) instructed in his Dream. “Serve Molana Zikriya, as serving him is like serving me. I visit his room quite often.” (Bahja tul Qaloob, Page 21)Molana Habib ur Rehman Usmani says that in a public gathering, which he was presiding over, the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) came on a train. (Mubasharat Dar ul Uloom Deoband, Page 67)In a Dream the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) said: “The guests of Imdad Ullah are scholars, I would cook their food myself.” Then Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Rashid Ahmad Gangohi became Haji Imdad Ullah‘s guests. (Tazkira tur Rasheed, Page 46)



Comments: The elders of every school of thought saw dreams which require their ????? (interpretation). I have mostly quoted the examples from Deobandi school of thought, as they were most active in the whole campaign against Dr. Sahib’s dreams.Now we would move to the issue of interpretation of dreams (Inshallah).



3. Dreams are subject to interpretation


Dreams are subject to interpretation, this is proven from Quran. Hazrat Yaqoob (???? ??????) says to Hazrat Yusaf (???? ??????): “Thus will your Lord choose you and teach you the interpretation of dreams …” (Yusuf 12:6) Hazrat Yusuf (AS) acknowledged it by saying “My Lord, You have given me the kingdom and taught me the meaning of dreams.” (Yusuf 12:101)
This sura alone has several examples where the interpretation of a Dream is different from the Dream itself. E.g. the stars in Hazrat Yusuf (???? ??????)’s Dream (in verse 12:4) actually meant his brothers. Similarly when “the King dreamt that seven lean cows were eating seven fat ones and that there were seven green ears of corn and seven dry ones” (Yusuf 12:43), the interpretation given by Hazrat Yusuf (???? ??????) was: “Cultivate your lands for seven years as usual and preserve the produce with its ears each year except the little amount that you will consume. After this will ensue seven years of famine in which all the grain that you have stored will be consumed except a small quantity. Then there will be a year with plenty of rain and people will have sufficient milk and other produce.” (Yusuf 12:47)
The above discussion proves that dreams are subject to interpretation (?????) and should not be taken in their literal meanings.

Interpretations of dreams given by the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????)

Example 1:
Milk means knowledge
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar: I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “While I was sleeping, I was given a bowl full of milk (in a Dream), and I drank of it to my fill until I noticed its wetness coming out of my nails, and then I gave the rest of it to ‘Umar.” They (the people) asked, “What have you interpreted (about the Dream)? O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “(It is Religious) knowledge.” (Bukhari Vol. 87, Book 9 No. 134)

Example 2: Size of shirt means strength in religion

Narrated Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri: Allah’s Apostle said, “While I was sleeping, some people were displayed before me (in a Dream). They were wearing shirts, some of which were merely covering their breasts, and some a bit longer. Then there passed before me, ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab wearing a shirt he was dragging it (on the ground behind him.)” They (the people) asked, “What have you interpreted (about the Dream) O Allah’s Apostle?” He said, “The Religion.” (Bukhari Vol. 9, Book 87, No. 136)

Example 3: Cutting a part of the body means birth of a grand child

Hazrat Um e Fazal (??? ???? ????), the wife of Hazrat Abbas (??? ???? ???) saw in a Dream that a part from the body of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) has cut, and dropped in her lap. She got worried. But the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) said that its interpretation is good. A grand child of mine would be born which would play in your lap. So Hazrat Imam Hussain (???? ??????) was born. (Mishqat Sharif)

Example 4: Broken roof means return of husband
A woman asked from the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????): “I have seen the roof of my house broken.” He replied that her husband, whom was on a far off travel, would return. (Ahlam ul Anbiya wa Sulaha)


Comments so far:
The above Ahadith show that a Dream is subject to interpretation and it should not be taken in its literal meaning. So in the above Ahadith milk is interpreted as knowledge, size of shirt is interpreted as strength in religion, cutting a part of the body is interpreted as the birth of a grand child, and breaking of roof is interpreted as return of husband.

Strange interpretations related to the ziyara of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????)


Ibn-e-Sireen (???? ???? ????) is a famous Tabaee and is considered among the imams of interpretation of dreams. His famous book, Tabeer ur Roya (i.e. interpretation of dreams) enlists the interpretations to thousands of dreams, some of which (related to the ziyara of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) are given here:

Ibn e Sireen (???? ???? ????), the imam of interpretation, says:1. If someone sees that he is digging or scraching the grave of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????), it means that he would revive a Sunnah.2. If someone sees that he is drinking the blood of the Prophet (
??? ???? ???? ????? ????), it means that he would be martyred in Jihad.3. If someone sees that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) has died at a place, it means that Sunnah would be eliminated from that place.One can see that ziyara of the Prophet (
??? ???? ???? ????? ????) in Dream can be interpreted in various ways. Some times the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) represents his Sunnah, sometimes Islamic teachings, sometimes the Muslim Ummah and sometimes other related things.

Dream of Imam Bukhari

Imam Bukhari saw that he is removing flies from the body of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????). An expert told him that flies represent fabricated Ahadith and he would remove / distinguish them from the authentic ones.

Dream of Imam Abu Hanifa
Imam Abu Hanifa saw that he was picking the bones of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) from his grave and he was giving preference to some bones over other bones. He became very puzzled at seeing this (as according to Ahadith earth cannot eat the body of the prophets). Ibn e Sireen told him that the Dream is good. He said that he (i.e. Imam Abu Hanifa) would carefully study the narrations of the Sunnah of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) and would pick the most authentic ones (to compile Fiqh).

Interpretation of Dr Tahir ul Qadri’s Dreams:

As we have seen, ziyara of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) can be interpreted in various ways. Some times coming of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) in dreams represents his Sunnah, sometimes Islamic teachings, sometimes the Muslim Ummah and sometimes other related things. That’s why death of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) in Dream was interpreted as removal of his Sunnah, and flies trying to sit on his body were interpreted as false narrations attributed to him.Similarly, Dr Tahir ul Qadri’s dreams also require interpretation. So this is what he himself interpreted about them:
Note: The wording is mine, summarizing Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s wording:
Dream: The Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked me to make an Islamic center (Minhaj-ul-Quran) and promised me that he would come there (in that center).
Interpretation: Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????)’s faiz would be included in that center.Dream : The Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) was going to leave this country.
Interpretation: Islamic way of life is going away from our society. Dream: The Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked me to make arrangements of his stay.
Interpretation: The Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) wanted me to start a struggle for the revival of Islam.Dream : The Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked me to make arrangements of travel including the ticket of the journey.
Interpretation: Ticket and other arrangements of travel are sign of excessive traveling required for the preaching of Islam.

Conclusion:


In this thread we discussed 3 objections commonly raised against Dr. Tahir ul Qadri’s narrated dreams. Some points of our discussion are summarized here:

1. Some critics of Dr. Tahir ul Qadri accuse him that he is “using cheap ways to win popularity” by narrating his dreams. The fact is that he only narrated 2 or 3 dreams in only one of his speeches. Narrating one’s dreams is the Sunnah of the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????), Sahaba, and scholars through out the Islamic history.
2. His statement that “the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) was angry with the scholars of
Pakistan”, was mis-interpreted. The statement does make the exception for those scholars who are genuinely working for Islam.

3. His statement that “the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) asked me to make arrangement of stay, travel and ticket” does not show that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) is dependent on such things. The dreams are subject to interpretation and should not be taken in their literal meanings. This was proven from the examples of Quran, Hadith and sayings of the imam of interpretation of dreams. Examples of dreams of other scholars (including the dreams of Imam Abu Hanifa and Imam Bukhari) were given to illustrate this point.
4. Some of the dreams, which people have wrongly attributed with Dr. Sahib, were also touched. For example Dr. Sahib NEVER said that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) came in his Dream and asked him to come into politics or to contest election. He NEVER said that the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????? ????) decided the name of his Jama’at (party). Numerous dreams are falsely attributed with him, so one should verify a statement made against him.THE END

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k.a.kiani

Minister (2k+ posts)
Tahir ul Qadri sahib ko sajda kia aur Allama sahib ne uss per hath phaira aur bura nahi manaya. Matlab yeh kah ye unn k liye normal tha. koi aur proof chahiye Allam sahib ki jahiliyat ka


Achha chalo ab ye daikh lo. Iss video mein pata hai Allama sahib kya kr rahai hein?? wo apne mureed jo mar gaya hai aur qaber mein hai ussko qaber mein poochhai janai waalai sawalon k jawab bata rahai hein. jaise kah wo sunn raha hai aur agr wo sunn b raha hai tu kya yeh ja'ez hai naqal krwani. Yeh tu aisai hi ho gaya kah aik ustaad jo saal poora tu shagird ki tayyari krwa na saka aur paper k rooz ussai naqal krwa kr pass krwana chahta hai. how ignorant. if somebody still think he is true scholar then I have no argument for him. I would only say TUMHARA DEEN TUMHARAI LIYE AUR MERA MERAI LIYE.

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Serving Islam

Politcal Worker (100+ posts)
Tahir ul Qadri sahib ko sajda kia aur Allama sahib ne uss per hath phaira aur bura nahi manaya. Matlab yeh kah ye unn k liye normal tha. koi aur proof chahiye Allam sahib ki jahiliyat ka

Internet, Why are u telling lies??? no body ever do sajda him nor Dr Tahir ul Qadri defended...you should feel shame for telling lie and putting wrong blames...one day you will die then you will know what is the result of telling lie and putting wrong blame on some one.....truth is this that person was kissing his feet and that is the Sunnah of prophet, Sunah of Sahaba and through out the 1400 years history of Islam students used to kiss the hands and feet of their teachers, parents and loved ones in full of love and respect....its never been forbidden in islam....but still Tahir ul qadri does not like some one kissing his feet that can affect ones humbleness....while in that particular event where some one was kissing his feet, it happened suddenly and Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri while sitting in his chair pushed him away with his hand to not kiss his feet.. Remember..he can't bow down because of his backbone problem that is the reason he always perform prayer while sitting on chair..if you need further truth and clarification & islamic position on this matter ...you can find in this link but if still you dont believe then its up to you to accept sin in telling lies and putting wrong blames...that will definitely result in your graveyard ...decide yourself...http://www.minhaj.com.pk/en/so-calle...tahir-ul-qadri


Achha chalo ab ye daikh lo. Iss video mein pata hai Allama sahib kya kr rahai hein?? wo apne mureed jo mar gaya hai aur qaber mein hai ussko qaber mein poochhai janai waalai sawalon k jawab bata rahai hein.


Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri reminded Kalima to dead Person : Reminding dead after Burial is Proven in Hadith
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Its absolutely permissible to make dead person recite Kalima as dead can hear . It is proven in prophetic Hadith traditions and Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri has done this in accordance with Hadith. For Profs & References Read Sunan Ibn e Majah,Sunan Nasai,Al-Muhjam al-Kabir Tabrani,Imam Jalal ud din Sayuti,Kanz ul Amal,Ibne Rajab al-Hanbali,Ibn Abideen Shami,Mullah Ali Qadri,Imam Abu Dawood,read complete clarification here http://www.thefatwa.com/urdu/questionID/1041





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mustafvi

MPA (400+ posts)
@k.a.kiani


@Serving Islam has made it very clear with proofs but I wonder that why people like you don't bother to give a second thought before posting, because you guys believe that you know every thing....... I feel sorry for you.
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Would u please elaborate what kind of fraud in this vedio.....

Dalayel se bat karo If you think what he is saying is wrong please proof otherwise stop personal attack.

He is doing fraud with your Emaan , but u dont understand it, because u u dont have it....

As Allah said , that " Eeman is not entered in your hearts yet..."

Eman is most precious thing , some one could have....

U people look outside and money , but it is inside story.... not suitable for u...

May Allah bless your nation this eman again....
 

reliable

Senator (1k+ posts)
mujhey to aap khud sub sey bara fraud lagtey hein....u dont have any solid reason.........r u marzai.?

He is doing fraud with your Emaan , but u dont understand it, because u u dont have it....

As Allah said , that " Eeman is not entered in your hearts yet..."

Eman is most precious thing , some one could have....

U people look outside and money , but it is inside story.... not suitable for u...

May Allah bless your nation this eman again....
 

Raaz

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
mujhey to aap khud sub sey bara fraud lagtey hein....u dont have any solid reason.........r u marzai.?

وہ چور کیا ہوا جو چوری کرے اور پکڑا جاۓ ، یہی علامہ صاحب کی خوبی ہے کہ وہ لوگوں کو بیوقوف بنانا خوب جانتے ہیں
 

Temojin

Minister (2k+ posts)
We refute actual teachings of Islam like hand, feet kissing of elders and pious people or watching dreams about Muhammad pbuh (could mean anything through some knowledgeable man's interpretation) while only trying to oppose Tahir ul Qadri. chalo yaar mukhlifat ker lo magar kam az kam un cheezon ka to mazaq na urao jo sehat ke saath manqool hain.

And I am sure that any of the links given by brother Serving Islam would be browsed or spent some time upon by the mates commenting here. They have been engineered by some youtube videos or some internet articles to claim that they know all about Islam, are authority upon usool a Hadith and know each and everything in Sihah Sittah while Quran's translation has been remembered a thousand times. No offence mates but it seems like so.
 

ahsanuck

MPA (400+ posts)
Brother I watched black & white clip of the dream clip and found nothing in wrong in that...because Tahir ul Qadri was telling a dream seen by him and later on he was also interpreting that dream because dreams always need interpretation and telling a dreams is the Sunnah of Prophet and also dreams are mentioned in quran , also prophets were taught science of dream interpertation by Allah ..I think you only check on sided wrong black and biased picture ....
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