Zionist Hindu
Senator (1k+ posts)
most people in this world is athiest except for their own religion. christians consider everybody else except christians to be athiest, muslim, jews, hindus etc believe the same way.
Unicorn
Banned
If it wasn't for God you wouldn't know weather stealing is OK or not?
In that case it depends where u stand .
If u were hungry pennyless , , and u steal to survive , its okay . If u are hungry and poor , and some one steals from u , It would be wrong. (and in both cases u aren't asking form GOD. )
Because its un natural . It wasn't supposed to be ......
tell me , consider urself athiest , alright . Human male will marry a female for the sake of offsprings. Alright......
But for what benefit is homosexuality of????????????
Tell me are u urself so? Don't u find it gruesome?
Its just like this . Why people dont eat raw meat. ....... .... .....
SalmanKhanN
MPA (400+ posts)
our evidence is our Quran..athiest wont believe in it..so lets say an athiest all his life say there is not God and in the end he finds out there is God when he dies?? he is surely in loss..but if according to you there is no God..i am not in a loss..because according to science..a person will not wake up again..but according to Islam a person willl..both are unseen things..our proof is a Book that is according to us..word of God..so i am not loosing anything in being a muslim..science is good as long as it is treated as science and discoveries of God's creation..
what do u have to say about..
At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]
Professor Moore also stated that:
"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
"The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
1400 years ago a person was revealed with words that science just confirmed 40 years ago??? how does a human 1400 years ago know more then science of 1970ss.?? the scientist himself said..that it must be Gods word..
science stop itself from where it stop discovering..and thats where religion kicks in..the Unseen..Science cannot explain unseen..science cannot explain where that atom come from..for the creation of itself..
and athiest say they beleive in only what there is proof..What proof u have that plants and suns have died?? what proof u have we were monkeyss?? what proof u have that there all this just accident?? all of this u have read in a book written by a scientist..who change whenever they want??rite???so have u seen it with ur eyes?? or u are made to believe that all this is true what scientists say which they themselves cant explain it..
lets say u are a bacteria- athiest..and at the end of times a believer says that see i told you there is God and u didnt believe..and u would say..ye but there was no evidence..you got lucky there is God..and if i am that bacteria-Believer.. I would say..Allhumdulillah i am truly lucky InshAllah
what do u have to say about..
At a conference in Cairo he presented a research paper and stated:
"It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur'an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah." [1]
Professor Moore also stated that:
"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge.
"The intensive studies of the Qur'an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."[1]
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
1400 years ago a person was revealed with words that science just confirmed 40 years ago??? how does a human 1400 years ago know more then science of 1970ss.?? the scientist himself said..that it must be Gods word..
science stop itself from where it stop discovering..and thats where religion kicks in..the Unseen..Science cannot explain unseen..science cannot explain where that atom come from..for the creation of itself..
and athiest say they beleive in only what there is proof..What proof u have that plants and suns have died?? what proof u have we were monkeyss?? what proof u have that there all this just accident?? all of this u have read in a book written by a scientist..who change whenever they want??rite???so have u seen it with ur eyes?? or u are made to believe that all this is true what scientists say which they themselves cant explain it..
lets say u are a bacteria- athiest..and at the end of times a believer says that see i told you there is God and u didnt believe..and u would say..ye but there was no evidence..you got lucky there is God..and if i am that bacteria-Believer.. I would say..Allhumdulillah i am truly lucky InshAllah
i am not interested in arguing what is natural and what is not. if it was unnatural, why is it fairly common in some species of animals, like malards, bonobos etc. my point is that even if i accept ur premise, what does it have for me to interfere in the life o two consenting adults even if they are indulging in unnatural acts, as long as they do it in their bedroom. why hate them? why cant ppl be ambivalent about it, in the sense that " I dont like it, but ur private life is none of my business". i can understand if ppl in the dehaat speak like this, but it is amazing that in the 21st century, ppl using internet, some of whose inventors I am certain were gay. are coming online and hating on gys. if u are not hypocrites, stop associating urself with everything which has a contributin of gay ppl. maybe tomorrow if you figure out that the wrigt brothers wre gay, will u stop using aeroplanes.
OHOHOHOHO!
Dont start on me now........ Suppose , u are in a bus , with your son , only two other people are there. the whole bus is empty.And they start kissing and hugging and doing all sorts of things infront of ur very eyes.....What will u do????????????????????
Leave the bus? or let them do what they are doing and enjoy live shoW?>>>>>>>>>>>>>
modern fakir
MPA (400+ posts)
Your on the right track Unicorn..but let me correct something in this logic of yours since you claim to have an "OPEN mind". You worshipping GOD and God giving you heaven is not scratching each others back. It is infact a chance that he is giving you !. What your failing to forget is "THE Life" which is given to you by GOD where you can now come up with these absurd statements , whether you accept it or not.
So the right logic is GOD gives you life and you THANK him for that by praying to him and on TOP of LIFE he Gives you HEAVEN as well :D.. You see how merciful GOD IS :D
The unfortunate part is God gives us life, time on this earth, Heaven and Yet we dont even want to accept his Existance let alone Thank HIm and come up with these nonsensical connotations which make absolutely rubbish !
modern fakir
MPA (400+ posts)
This is even more rubbish than Unicorn ... JuJuJU ..if two people kill each other in private is that an acceptable act for any state of the world ?..No their will be an investigation and things will be corrected, for the simple reason that some acts conducted are in general sense BAD FOR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE.
A classic example of this would be Incest .. If i follow ur logic ..then this Horrible but NATURAL act will become LEGAL. It is the most highly disgusting act that humanity can commit. But people like you in the guise of statements liek " private in the bedroom" are extending tacit support to such acts !
The better alternative which sane people and every respectable society member would agree with is to have society follow some natural laws which are GOOD FOR HUMANITY AS A WHOLE and Thank God the Nations of the world RECOGNISE THIS !
Otherwise we might have to construct Human zoos for private animals that you talk about !
all of you making such extreme arguments, seem to have little sense of law or social science. there is a huge difference between killing and homosexuality, as killing is not a consenting action. if a man sodomizes another without his consent, it is rape, for eg. bachabazzi in Afghanistan, or Mukhtar mai's brother getting sodomized to punish him. if it is consenting, u cant compare it with murder. moreover personally i have no problem with incest between consenting adults, not of course with children which is wrong as children dont have the level of judgement to consent or otherwise. all of you arguing against homosexuality are only calling it "horrible, disgusting" etc but unable to further the argumnt and inform me about why u think it should be banned. stop ad hominem attacks against gays, and tell me what exactly is wrong.
more importantly stop using analogies like murder and incest as they are not analogous to homosexuality. just stick to it alone and kndly explain.
more importantly stop using analogies like murder and incest as they are not analogous to homosexuality. just stick to it alone and kndly explain.
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fakr bhai, can you justify any statement of your with logic, rather than faith. for eg. yo said " What your failing to forget is "THE Life" which is given to you by GOD".can youback this up, with any first principles logic?
I dont know what your argument is? what does two people and a bus have to do with homosexuality?
Mullah Omar
Minister (2k+ posts)
Like the other guy said it depends on the situation. There is no universal law telling us what's right or wrong (unless ofcourse you believe in God and his law).
Unicorn
Banned
That is a great answer this is called conventional human wisdom that requires thought and self questions. If some one steels from me in order to eat I am fine with that. If I catch that guy I will simply tell him next time you are hungry just ask me and I will give it to you and pack some thing for your wife and kids.
On the other hand if I am hungry and poor what have I got for a thief?
Mullah Omar
Minister (2k+ posts)
So you agree stealing in some cases is ok? just as how murder in some cases might be ok too?
modern fakir
MPA (400+ posts)
Jujuju ...you seem to be insulting logic and analogy here itself. Where in my statement do I mention religion ??..Is the mere mention of the word GOD religion for you ??.. Even if it is you used the word first ?? " I scratch God's back and He scratches mine" ..Were you being religious :D ?
And must i explain to anyone with half a common sense what life is ?..you obviously cant be lifeless typing behind a computer right now, now can you ?... Can you explain this logically to me ?...Cuz you are making absolutely no sense to me !
modern fakir
MPA (400+ posts)
Unicorn, there's a place for people like you called the Mental Asylum ..lol lol ...So you dont want us doing analogies of one form of human destruction "sodomy" with another "murder" but yet you urself support Theft ... Their is a state of mind called mental dysfunction where flawed logic takes over ones conscience and the individual starts behaving similar to where your headed too.... want some medication ?? ...lol lol lol
modern fakir
MPA (400+ posts)
lol lol... now I will knock you down.....Ok So in your analytical views two forms of human destructions "sodomy" and "murder" are not analogous.. And like you said you have no issues with incest because destruction of society doesnt mean anything to you. Very well... If i follow this logic the statement
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