Are Turkey and Israel on a collision course?


Chief Minister (5k+ posts)

We ask whether by challenging Israel's blockade of Gaza at the ICJ, Turkey is setting a precedent others might follow.
In the latest strain between the two nations, Turkey has said it will challenge Israel's blockade of Gaza at the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Tensions first arose between Tel Aviv and Ankara following last year's Israeli action against ships heading for Gaza, in which nine Turks were killed.
Ahmed Davutoglu, the Turkish foreign minister, said Turkey did not accept the findings of a UN report which said Israel's blockade of Gaza was a legal security measure.
What is Turkey likely to gain from the legal battle? Is Ankara setting itself on a collision course with Tel Aviv, or setting a precedent in dealing with Israel that might be followed by other countries in the region?
Inside Story discusses with guests: Abdullah al-Ashal, a former assistant to an Egyptian foreign minister, and Mustafa Akyol, the author of Islam Without Extremes: A Muslim Case For Liberty.

Star Gazer

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
I think it is s good decent, move on the part of Turkey and should be supported by other Muslim countries especially Egypt. It is time to call a spade a spade.
It is a good question to be highlighted that Israel has been supporting dictators like Mubarak and the Turkey of the 90s. Now both have changed and as Mr. Abdullah stated everything around is changing so Israel should take a look and stop insisting that every one change back to the the "Way we were"


Voter (50+ posts)
Both israel and Turkey are horses of the same stable i.e. US. so it would never come down to an open confrontation despite all the wishful thinking. The new Turkish govt( AK Party) needs to do some posturing to protect its home constituency. This is no more than that.


Senator (1k+ posts)
In the latest strain between the two nations, Turkey has said it will challenge Israel's blockade of Gaza at the International Court of Justice (ICJ). Tensions first arose between Tel Aviv and Ankara following last year's Israeli action against ships heading for Gaza, in which nine Turks were killed.
1. Obviously the Turkish govt. and its foreign minister haven't done their homework.
Again people seem to be under the impression that through rhetoric they can fool others. Facts take a back seat.

2. The ICJ has jurisdiction in the following situations: Source
a) Dispute submitted to it by States, called Contentious Cases. [Please note, its States NOT State]
b) gives advisory opinions on legal questions at the request of the organs of the United Nations or specialized agencies authorized to make such a request (advisory jurisdiction).

3. Please note that a case will be accepted by the ICJ only if both Israel and Turkey approach it. Source
If Turkey alone approaches the ICJ, then its case will NOT be accepted.
Israel can simply refuse to take the matter to ICJ. :lol:

"When the applicant State proposes to found the jurisdiction of the Court upon a consent thereto yet to be given or manifested by the State against which such application is made, the application shall be transmitted to that State. It shall not however be entered in the General List, nor any action be taken in the proceedings, unless and until the State against which such application is made consents to the Court's jurisdiction for the purposes of the case."


Minister (2k+ posts)
Israel Had Better Think Twice

By Gilad Atzmon on September 7, 2011

Gilad Atzmon September 7, 2011

As the rift between Israel and Turkey deepens, the Israeli media is preparing its crowd for another possible exciting bloody conflict.

Israels leading news outlet Ynet, published yesterday a detailed comparison between Israels and Turkeys military capacity it outlines the size of the air force, navy, ground forces in the respective countries. Turkey, it says, posses much bigger navy but our air force is larger.

I guess that this is what one would expect from Israel, a morbid collective driven by war enthusiasm and some bizarre craving for bloody conflict.

We have to remember, that at least on the face of it, this new emerging rift between Israel and Turkey, is not about land, oil or assets. It is all about apology. Relations between the two old allies have soured further in recent days after the publication of the UN investigation into Israels murderous assault on a Turkish Mavi Marmara in high seas. In the attack nine peace activists were murdered; some of them were clearly executed in cold blood. Turkey demands Israels. apology. For some reason Israel failed to react. The meaning of it is simple. Israel prefers the prospect of a violent development instead of confronting its sin.
I will make myself as simple, short and clear just to make sure that the Israelis and their allies around the world understand how futile their agenda is.

Islam is unbeatable and indestructible.

The Israelis should remember their latest military blunders. In 2006 its army was humiliated by the Hezbula, a small Lebanese paramilitary organisation. In just a few weeks the heroic Hezbollah managed to bring Israel to its knees. In 2008-9 Israeli Army mounted a massive attack on Gaza, the initial objective was to dismantle the democratically elected Hamas. Israel murdered more than 1400 Palestinians but it achieved none of its military objectives.

Hamas and Hezbollah won these battles without air force, navy or tanks. In fact resilience was enough to defeat the IDF

But Israel is not alone, The English speaking Empire is also heavily beaten in Iraq and Afghanistan. Similarily, Iraqi insurgency and Taliban do not posses tanks, F 16s or submarines. In the age of Islamic resistance, tables of contents with numbers of tanks, vessels, and airplanes are obsolete. It is the spirit and the will rather than the tank that wins the battle. This spirit better be called The Islam Spring, and it is unbeatable indeed.

The message for Israelis is plainly clear. Israel and its supporting lobbies had better learn how to contain their inherent violent tendencies. Israel cannot win this battle. The sooner the Israelis encompass this obvious fact, the better it is for Israel and for world peace.


Gilad Atzmon

Gilad Atzmon, a former Israeli soldier now a writer and an award winning Jazz musician resident in London, where he lives in virtual exile