Another Kaa'ba (Dhul-l-Khulasa) as Per Sahih AL-Bukhari!

[Islamabadiya]

The objective is that I do not believe that Allah Almighty will ask humans to go around a concrete building or to bow and prostrate to a building.

if by bowing to building you mean namaz, then again, you do not understand basic fundamentals of islam and what namaz is and what qibla is

 

[Sarkash]

Once again you have proved you know nothing about your hadith or your own so called hadith sciences, the history of hadith, its complilers or it's narrators

Also then according to you why are they still called Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim which make up the part of the Sahih Sitta if they are dhaif. And in your madhab denying a sahih hadith is kufr and then in turn makes you a kaffir. If they are not sahih then why are they still being printed and included in the Sahih collections. And every few years some aalim or shiekh comes and declares sahih hadith, dhaif and dhaif hadith sahih, and ever sect has its own set of hadith they consider sahih while another sect considers the same hadith as dhaif and vice versa.

I don't have time to get into unnecessary details about this subject which does not affect my faith. I dont even care what those narrators or compilers thought. Anything that I cannot verify in cross examining with Quran, I tend to pass on.

 

[Wake up Pak]

yu really need to study the meaning of Hujj, its not only about tawaaf
plus it is not obligatory

What is Hajj? The literal meaning of Hajj is to debate or argue. All the verses related to Hajj in the Quran address mankind as a whole, not just Muslims or believers. This suggests that the Hajj is meant for everyone. Nowhere in the Quran does Allah command people to circumambulate the Kaaba, to kiss the Black Stone (which is not mentioned in the Quran), or to run between the two hills, Safa and Marwah, seven times. The rituals also include traveling from Mina to Arafat, then to Muzdalifah, collecting pebbles to cast at the three pillars in Mina known as Jamarat, and wearing the Ihram garment while exposing one shoulder.
Can someone explain how individuals benefit from performing all these rituals?

 

[Wake up Pak]

if by bowing to building you mean namaz, then again, you do not understand basic fundamentals of islam and what namaz is and what qibla is

What are the fundamentals of Islam, and where did this Namaz come from?

 

[Islamabadiya]

What is Hajj? The literal meaning of Hajj is to debate or argue. All the verses related to Hajj in the Quran address mankind as a whole, not just Muslims or believers. This suggests that the Hajj is meant for everyone. Nowhere in the Quran does Allah command people to circumambulate the Kaaba, to kiss the Black Stone (which is not mentioned in the Quran), or to run between the two hills, Safa and Marwah, seven times. The rituals also include traveling from Mina to Arafat, then to Muzdalifah, collecting pebbles to cast at the three pillars in Mina known as Jamarat, and wearing the Ihram garment while exposing one shoulder.
Can someone explain how individuals benefit from performing all these rituals?

you clearly did not have islaic education

 

[Wake up Pak]

I would never dare to ask anyone not to perform the current non-Quranic Hajj or Namaz.
If the Muslims find solace & closeness to Allah in performing these rituals, continue to do so.
I only post what I have learned as a student of the Quran.
Islamabadiya saleema

 

[Islamabadiya]

What are the fundamentals of Islam, and where did this Namaz come from?

dont have apetite to tell you all about islam
and we already have debated on namaz topic few weeks ago in another of your thread, i do remember you agreed that ibadaa is a requirement, and namaz is a form of ibadat

 

[Wake up Pak]

you clearly did not have islaic education

What is islaic education?

 

[Islamabadiya]

What is islaic education?

islamic*

 

[Wake up Pak]

dont have apetite to tell you all about islam
and we already have debated on namaz topic few weeks ago in another of your thread, i do remember you agreed that ibadaa is a requirement, and namaz is a form of ibadat

Nope, I never said that Ibada is a requirement and Namaz is a form of Ibada.
Please find that post.

 

[Wake up Pak]

islamic*

So learning from the Quran is not Islamic?

 

[Islamabadiya]

Nope, I never said that Ibada is a requirement and Namaz is a form of Ibada.
Please find that post.

so what is ibadaa?

 

[Wake up Pak]

so what is ibadaa?

Namaz, Fasting, Zakat, Hajj, etc., are not Ibada. Nowhere in the Quran does it say that these rituals are Ibada.

 

[Islamabadiya]

Namaz, Fasting, Zakat, Hajj, etc., are not Ibada. Nowhere in the Quran does it say that these rituals are Ibada.

so what is?

 

[Islamabadiya]

Namaz, Fasting, Zakat, Hajj, etc., are not Ibada. Nowhere in the Quran does it say that these rituals are Ibada.

so what is ibadat in your words?

 

[Wake up Pak]

so what is ibadat in your words?

Many meanings, but service to Allah suits the best.
Also, to honor or show reverence to Allah.

 

[Islamabadiya]

lol ok man whatever floats your boat

 

[Citizen X]

I don't have time to get into unnecessary details about this subject which does not affect my faith. I dont even care what those narrators or compilers thought. Anything that I cannot verify in cross examining with Quran, I tend to pass on.

That is a very old and lame argument. If everything goes with the Quran then what is the point of your second source, if Allah's word not enough for you people that you have to create your own second source.

And that is at the problem "you don't have time" so you just blindly follow what is told to you.

 

[Citizen X]

Where did this cut come from? There is no such word as Bait Allah in the Quran. Where is Maqam Ibrahim? Are Safa & Marwa some mountains? Please provide your point from the Quran instead of just blindly believing what you were taught.
99% of Muslims believe what thier Mullahs have taught them, they don't bother to think & reflect or to question whether what they were taught makes any sense or not?

This bibi really has comprehension problems, the subject matter will be something and she will drag in totally irrelevant things which make no sense at all. Look at that massive word salad she tossed to my post. The post is filled with words but they don't say anything. Hence a word salad.

Arabi ka itna shouk chard gaya hai ke English Urdu dono bhool rahi hai.

 

[Citizen X]