Am I An Apostate?

NasNY

Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Go trace how knowledge of Islam has been preserved.

here are few reference you should search and come to your own conclusion,
i personally don't care about your salvation.
Search the following and don't reply back to me

Al-Muwatta​

Imam Malik

Zayd ibn Thabit​

Kitab al-Athar

Said ibn al-Musayyib​

The Seven Fuqaha of Medina​

Anas ibn Malik​


Tafsir of Quran are explained from Hadith,

Tafsir al-Tabari
Tafsir Ibn al-Mundhir
Ta'wilat Ahl al-Sunnah
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Go trace how knowledge of Islam has been preserved.

here are few reference you should search and come to your own conclusion,
i personally don't care about your salvation.
Search the following and don't reply back to me

Al-Muwatta​

Imam Malik

Zayd ibn Thabit​

Kitab al-Athar

Said ibn al-Musayyib​

The Seven Fuqaha of Medina​

Anas ibn Malik​


Tafsir of Quran are explained from Hadith,

Tafsir al-Tabari
Tafsir Ibn al-Mundhir
Ta'wilat Ahl al-Sunnah
Islam is only been preserved in the Quran rest are just man-made books full of contradictions, conjecture, and hearsays
 

miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
I guess You didn't understand him. He says.

- It's clearly mentioned in the Quran to follow Allah and follow the prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) i.e the Sunnah/Hadith.


So if you deny the Sunnah/Hadith of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) as totally irrelevant and not compulsory to follow then you are an apostate/disbeliever because it is one of the clearest order given by Allah in the Quran.

But contrary to that if you believe in Sunnah/Hadith of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) but don't believe only a certain hadith then you are not Kafir. But it's best to do proper research before denying a certain hadith.
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
I guess You didn't understand him. He says.

- It's clearly mentioned in the Quran to follow Allah and follow the prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) i.e the Sunnah/Hadith.


So if you deny the Sunnah/Hadith of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) as totally irrelevant and not compulsory to follow then you are an apostate/disbeliever because it is one of the clearest order given by Allah in the Quran.

But contrary to that if you believe in Sunnah/Hadith of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H) but don't believe only a certain hadith then you are not Kafir. But it's best to do proper research before denying a certain hadith.
Where does it say in the Quran to follow the Sunnah or Hadith?
 

Wake up Pak

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The word “SUNNAH” appears 14 times in the Qur'ân. Each time
Sunnah refers to the unchanging process of Allâh’s practices/ actions only and nothing else. In other
words: It is the Qur’ânic term for the totality of Natural Laws instituted by Allâh, the Rabb
of everything in existence! Nowhere does the word Sunnah in the entire Qur’ân refer to
Muhammad’s ways or sayings in the way that is understood by the vast majority of Muslims.

IN THE ENTIRE QUR’ÂN HADÎTH APPEARS A TOTAL OF 28 TIMES. Nowhere does this word
refer to the sayings and practices of Muhammad in any way. The word is defined clearly in the

Qur’ân as the Book of Allâh (39-23; 45-6; 68-44 etc).
 

miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
Where does it say in the Quran to follow the Sunnah or Hadith?

On countless occasions in the Quran.

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Translation: Follow Allah and his Messenger.

How do you follow the Messenger?
By following what he did and said/instructed.

What is Sunnah/Hadith? Sayings and actions of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H).
 

Wake up Pak

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
On countless occasions in the Quran.

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Translation: Follow Allah and his Messenger.

How do you follow the Messenger?
By following what he did and said/instructed.

What is Sunnah/Hadith? Sayings and actions of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H).
How do you obey Allah?
The Quran repeatedly announces obedience to the messenger. The Quran never conveys the instruction to obey the Nabi or Muhammad, even though, they are the same person. The significance of this specific address by the title 'messenger' is often not appreciated. The 'message' remained connected to the 'messenger' and it was in this capacity of the 'messenger' that Muhammad (PBUH) needed to be obeyed.

“The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver the message: Allah knows what you reveal and what you conceal.” (Qur’an 5:99)

24:54 Say: Obey God and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then, on him was only what was loaded on him, and on you was only what was loaded on you. And if you obey him, you will be truly guided. And there is not a duty on the Messenger but the delivering of the clear message.

“The words of your Lord are complete in its truth and justice. Nothing can change His words – He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing. If you obeyed most of those on earth, they would lead you away from the path of Allah. They follow nothing but speculation – they are merely guessing.” (Qur’an 6:115-116)

"Say, ‘I do not say to you that I have treasures of Allah, nor do I know the unseen, nor do I tell you that I am an angel. I only follow what is revealed to me.’ " (Qur’an 6:50)
 

miafridi

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
How do you obey Allah?
The Quran repeatedly announces obedience to the messenger. The Quran never conveys the instruction to obey the Nabi or Muhammad, even though, they are the same person.

Who was the Messenger? Whom Allah asked us to obey in clear words in the Quran?

What next? you telling people that Vine is not haram in Islam because it's called Vine, not Sharaab. What I see you doing is mincing words and that's all. Quran is crystal clear about following the Messenger which clearly means that anyone who deny an authentic hadith is actually going against instructions of the Quran.
 
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Hunter_

MPA (400+ posts)
The Quran is a guidance for mankind!
Who gave him the right to call anyone an apostate who does not believe in all the ahadith or Sunnah?


After this explanation you still don't believe in Hadith, I feel sorry for you , He is explained in the most easy way possible
 

Hunter_

MPA (400+ posts)
Who was the Messenger? Whom Allah asked us to obey in clear words in the Quran?

What next? you telling people that Vine is not haram in Islam because it's called Vine, not Sharaab. What I see you doing is mincing words and that's all. Quran is crystal clear about following the Messenger which clearly means that anyone who deny an authentic hadith is actually going against instructions of the Quran.
Suub sy bara molvi Insaan ka apna dil hy and internally he knows he is wrking but he still dont want to believe in Hadith because how else he can get excuse for the things he wants to do that are not allowed in Islam otherwise.

Quran main to Math Science Physics ka bhe zikr nahi to us ko bhe follow nahi krty bus Quran he parhtay hain ,

its is just an excuse to follow one's own will , not Islam
 

Saboo

Prime Minister (20k+ posts)
On countless occasions in the Quran.

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Translation: Follow Allah and his Messenger.

How do you follow the Messenger?
By following what he did and said/instructed.

What is Sunnah/Hadith? Sayings and actions of prophet Muhammed(P.B.U.H).
Explained every thing so simply and beautifully….Thanks. May Allah reward you for this…..Amen!
 

hammy_lucky

MPA (400+ posts)
Hadiths are used extensively by scholars to inform legal opinions [fatwas], but unlike the Quran, they are not believed to be fully or divinely preserved, allowing for varying degrees of authenticity for each report, based on the reputations of people who narrated it. Some of the most authentic [sahih] reports are found in a pair of books, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, and it is these hadiths that are most commonly used to derive Islamic rulings.
However, despite centuries of work by Islam’s most renowned scholars in analysing and verifying them, hadith reports are characterized by certain fundamental limitations. Here, I briefly propose 5 things to think about before rushing to a conclusion based on a hadith, no matter how sahih.
1. The Prophet May Have Been Misquoted
Consider the hadith found in Sahih Bukhari from multiple transmitters that places the following words in the mouth of the Prophet:
“Bad luck can be found in houses, women, and horses.” (Sahih Bukhari)
It seems that the hadith was controversial even at the time of the Companions, for we have a report attributed to Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her:
Two men from Banu Aamir came to Aisha and told her that Abu Huraira narrates that the Prophet said: ‘Bad omen is in a house, a woman and a horse.’ She was enraged, full of anger, and said; ‘By the One who revealed the Qur’an to Muhammad, Allah’s Messenger did not say that; what he actually said was that in the days of ignorance, people used to take bad omen in these things.’ (Musnad Ahmad)
Many scholars also believe this account to be sahih and conclude from this report that, if Aisha is correct, these transmitters only heard part of the Prophet’s statement, and not the whole thing, and consequently turned the hadith on its head! A reader of hadiths would do well to keep in mind that even if its narrators are well-intentioned, a hadith that reaches us may not perfectly capture the words of the Prophet, as distortions may arise through accidents of hearing or the imperfect memories of its all-too-human narrators.
2. The Prophet May Have Revoked the Hadith
There is no doubt that, despite the arduous and admirable efforts of early scholars in preserving the vast goldmine of reports attributed to the Prophet, the hadith collections are not exhaustive. That is, they certainly do not contain every single statement uttered by the Prophet, peace be upon him.
The lack of completeness poses a problem in carelessly quoting hadith because there are instances in which one commandment by the Prophet is later taken back and replaced with another. One of the clearest examples is in the Prophet’s own words:
“I used to forbid you to visit graves, but now visit them.” (Sahih Muslim)
There is always the possibility that a command issued by the Prophet was abrogated (this could have happened for a myriad of reasons) and thus the hadith that we happen to have in front of us no longer applies; it has been replaced by another hadith which we may or may not have in any of the sahih compilations.

In another example, Abu Hurairah believed that he heard the Prophet say that those Muslims who were in a state of impurity at dawn during Ramadan should not fast that day (and he even transmitted this hadith to many Muslims), only to be later corrected by Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, that this rule was abrogated and not practised by the Prophet himself. The incident is found in Sahih Muslim.
We are fortunate to know of several instances of hadith abrogation. Unfortunately, however, we cannot claim to know all — in theory, any hadith that concerns a commandment or a prohibition, no matter how sahih, may have been abrogated by a hadith that was issued later but never written down.
3. The Hadith May Not Be Intended For Our Time and Place
Many scholars hold that the hadiths should be taken as embodiments of general Quranic principles in the context of a specific place, time, and culture, 7th century Arabia. For example, consider the following hadith:
“Whatever of the izaar [lower garment for men] is below the ankles is in the Fire.” (Sahih Bukhari)
Taking this hadith literally and applying it to clothing today would mean that someone who wears jeans that extend to his sneakers is damned to Hell! However, other hadiths clarify the context of this statement, suggesting that it is not meant to apply in every situation:
When the Prophet said: “Whoever trails his garment on the ground out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection,” Abu Bakr said to him, “O Messenger of Allaah, my izaar [lower garment for men] slips down if I do not pay attention to it.” He said: “You are not one of those who do it out of pride.” (Sahih Bukhari)
In the Western world, long pants are not symbols of pride, and acting on this hadith literally and cuffing pants above one’s ankles defies both common sense and Islamic reasoning. (On the other hand, one could argue that the hadith discourages sporting luxury watches and designer handbags, which have become the modern-day symbols of pride and vanity.)
Just as some prohibitions issued by the Prophet to his followers should not be applied verbatim, some of his habits do not need to be imitated to the letter. For example, the prophet commonly performed miswak using the arak twig. This is probably not because of the special value of this twig, but because this was the standard way of cleaning one’s mouth in 7th century Arabia. Following the Prophetic emphasis on cleanliness, today should lead us not to the miswak, but to the most hygienic practices available to us today: toothpaste, mouthwash, and regular dental appointments!
Many practices that are derived from the hadiths, such as performing miswak using twigs or restricting how long women can travel alone, clearly reflect the norms of ancient times. These and other prophetic practices should be recontextualized to guide Muslims living today.
Similarly, it is important to consider whether the hadith could have been issued in a very specific situation. In both Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, there are hadiths in which the Prophet discourages drinking while standing. Perhaps the most severe hadith is the following:
“No person should stand and drink water, and if one forgetfully stands and drinks water, it should be vomited out.” (Sahih Muslim)
At the same time, however, we find numerous reports of the Prophet drinking water while standing, such as this report:

Ali drank while standing then he said: “Some people say it is makruh [disliked by God] for one of you to drink while standing, but I saw the Prophet doing what you have seen me do.” (Sahih Bukhari)
Short of an abrogation, the best way to reconcile these hadiths is to suggest that the command to sit applies in a very specific situation while more generally, drinking while standing is allowed. I should note that there are scholars who synthesize these hadiths in other ways, such as by saying that drinking while sitting is preferred but not required, and drinking while standing is disliked. But upon closer examination, that seems to contradict both of the hadiths mentioned above, which are both very stark in their respective positions.
It is therefore clear that many hadiths, which were primarily intended for the immediate followers of the Prophet, are time- and context-dependent. While there is certainly wisdom in these hadiths, it is unwise to assume that they should be applied cut-and-paste more than a millennium later.
4. It May Be the Prophet’s Own Thoughts and Opinions
Not every command of the Prophet is grounds for Islamic legislation. There is a story found in Sahih Muslim, which makes this abundantly clear:
God’s Messenger came to Madinah and found the people grafting trees. He said: “What are you doing?” They said: “It has been our practice to do this,” whereupon he said: “Perhaps if you do not do that, it may be better for you.” So they abandoned this practice and this reduced their yield. They mentioned it to the Holy Prophet, whereupon he said: “I am a human being, so when I command you about a thing pertaining to religion, do accept it, and when I command you about a thing out of my personal opinion, keep it in mind that I am a human being.” (Sahih Muslim)
In another version of this hadith in Sahih Muslim, the phrase “Perhaps if you do not do that, it may be better for you.” is substituted by the stronger wording, “If you did not do it, it would be good.” The Prophet’s remark to keep an open mind regarding technical matters advises Muslims not to uncritically adhere to hadiths that concern matters tangential to religion and are better answered through scientific inquiry, such as medical prescriptions, choices for food and drink, grooming, and sleeping habits.
It is worth noting that the Prophet’s companions themselves distinguished the Prophet’s human thoughts and preferences from his religious instructions:
Khalid ibn al-Waleed reported that some grilled lizard meat was brought to the Prophet and put in front of him. He stretched out his hand to take some, but one of the people present said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, it is lizard meat,’ so he pulled his hand back. Khalid ibn al-Waleed asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, is lizard haram?’ He said, ‘No, but it is not known among my people and I cannot face eating it.’ So Khalid took some of the lizard meat and ate it, whilst the Messenger of Allah looked on. (Sahih Bukhari)
There may or may not be righteousness in imitating the Prophet’s personal preferences, but it is clear from the above hadith that not all Companions felt the need to do so.
5. The Prophet May Have Said Nothing Like It
In the minds of many Muslims, a hadith having a sahih chain of transmitters leaves no doubt that it was said by the Prophet, or that at least some version of it was said by the Prophet. I hope that the above discussion has convinced you that we should nevertheless be cautious in acting upon the literal meaning of an authentic hadith without further investigation.

But as it turns out, even hadith that have been verified as sahih are fallible, as should not be a surprise, as any verification scheme devised by imperfect human minds will likely be imperfect. One example should suffice to prove this general fact.
Abu Hurairah said: “The Messenger of Allah took my hand and said: ‘Allah created the earth on Saturday, and over it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Monday, He created things entailing labour on Tuesday, He created light on Wednesday, He scattered the animals in it on Thursday, and He created Adam, peace be upon him, after ‘Asr on Friday, the last of creation in the last hour of Friday, between ‘Asr and nightfall.” (Sahih Muslim)
Besides the fact that this hadith seems to wholly contradict our empirical understanding of the physical world, it also differs from the story of creation mentioned in the Quran. The hadith mentions the creation of the earth in seven days of the week, while the creation of the heavens and earth, as mentioned in the Quran, occurs over six days/periods (7:54).
It was to protect the sanctity of the hadith that the Prophet himself as well as the early caliphs discouraged people from writing down and freely narrating statements of the Prophet. Given the risk of inauthenticity, classical scholars in our tradition used to treat even sahih hadiths with care. While they deemed sahih hadiths a suitable basis for legislative opinions, they did not consider them robust and certain enough for matters of core beliefs — except for the handful of hadith transmitted by large numbers of independent narrators (termed mutawatir). Very telling, one of these few mutawatir hadiths is the following statement from the Prophet:
“Do not attribute lies to me, for anyone who attributes lies to me will be doomed to Hellfire.” (Sahih Muslim)
Final Remarks
There are many reasons to be cautious when using a hadith to make decisions about the will of God. The hadith may not be authentic or perfectly collected, even if some scholars deem it sahih — neither they nor any of the narrators, are free from error. The hadith may not be meant for us, either because it was meant for a specific time or a specific circumstance. It may have been revoked by later hadith, or it may only reflect the Prophet’s human, fallible thoughts and preferences. The possibilities for distortion, poor interpretation, and poor application are many.
It follows that issuing and rejecting fatwas on the sole basis of hadiths can be a very dangerous activity, even when performed by knowledgeable scholars. While the hadiths provide us unparalleled insight into the early history of Islam and are thus invaluable to all Muslims, extreme deliberation must accompany any attempt when relying on hadith in matters concerning Islamic law.
I ask Allah for my guidance, your guidance, and the guidance of the Muslim community. Amee
 

Citizen X

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The Quran is a guidance for mankind!
Who gave him the right to call anyone an apostate who does not believe in all the ahadith or Sunnah?


Another pearl of wisdom from Mr "Nutmug" Al Hakeem, he stopped short also mentioning that according to these hadith centric traditionalists the punishment for and apostate is death.

I wonder if I'm also an apostate according to Nutmug Al Hakeem as I don't reject hadith, but I don't consider them to be anything more than Islamic History and biographical accounts of the Prophets life mixed in with a lot of junk.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Who was the Messenger? Whom Allah asked us to obey in clear words in the Quran?

What next? you telling people that Vine is not haram in Islam because it's called Vine, not Sharaab. What I see you doing is mincing words and that's all. Quran is crystal clear about following the Messenger which clearly means that anyone who deny an authentic hadith is actually going against instructions of the Quran.
These are the same kind of arguments the Shia have been giving to prove imamat from the Quran and that many verses "refer" to Ali r.a

If the hadith were so important why didn't the Prophet s.a.w in his life time not made sure in his life time for hadith to be preserved. After all what would have been more authentic where the Prophet s.a.w himself would have signed off on a collection of hadith. Then there would have been no doubt what so ever.

But the fact of the matter is the Prophet s.a.w forbade people from writing hadith, and said the only thing the people were suppose to write down and preserve was the Quran. Why?

Why di Abu Bakr r.a his closet and longest companion narrate only less than 40 hadith? Why did Umar Ibn Khattab r.a beat Abu Hurrairah and threathed to send him back to Yemen if he didn't stop narrating hadith.

Why did none of the Khulafah Rashidun work towards compiling hadith like they did with the Quran.

Early Islam and Islamic jurisprudence was 100% hadith free, if was later people like Imam Shafi started to insist on hadith, going so far as to say the hadith is on a higher level than the Quran itself.
 

Citizen X

(50k+ posts) بابائے فورم
Hadiths are used extensively by scholars to inform legal opinions [fatwas], but unlike the Quran, they are not believed to be fully or divinely preserved, allowing for varying degrees of authenticity for each report, based on the reputations of people who narrated it. Some of the most authentic [sahih] reports are found in a pair of books, Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, and it is these hadiths that are most commonly used to derive Islamic rulings.
However, despite centuries of work by Islam’s most renowned scholars in analysing and verifying them, hadith reports are characterized by certain fundamental limitations. Here, I briefly propose 5 things to think about before rushing to a conclusion based on a hadith, no matter how sahih.
1. The Prophet May Have Been Misquoted
Consider the hadith found in Sahih Bukhari from multiple transmitters that places the following words in the mouth of the Prophet:
“Bad luck can be found in houses, women, and horses.” (Sahih Bukhari)
It seems that the hadith was controversial even at the time of the Companions, for we have a report attributed to Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her:
Two men from Banu Aamir came to Aisha and told her that Abu Huraira narrates that the Prophet said: ‘Bad omen is in a house, a woman and a horse.’ She was enraged, full of anger, and said; ‘By the One who revealed the Qur’an to Muhammad, Allah’s Messenger did not say that; what he actually said was that in the days of ignorance, people used to take bad omen in these things.’ (Musnad Ahmad)
Many scholars also believe this account to be sahih and conclude from this report that, if Aisha is correct, these transmitters only heard part of the Prophet’s statement, and not the whole thing, and consequently turned the hadith on its head! A reader of hadiths would do well to keep in mind that even if its narrators are well-intentioned, a hadith that reaches us may not perfectly capture the words of the Prophet, as distortions may arise through accidents of hearing or the imperfect memories of its all-too-human narrators.
2. The Prophet May Have Revoked the Hadith
There is no doubt that, despite the arduous and admirable efforts of early scholars in preserving the vast goldmine of reports attributed to the Prophet, the hadith collections are not exhaustive. That is, they certainly do not contain every single statement uttered by the Prophet, peace be upon him.
The lack of completeness poses a problem in carelessly quoting hadith because there are instances in which one commandment by the Prophet is later taken back and replaced with another. One of the clearest examples is in the Prophet’s own words:
“I used to forbid you to visit graves, but now visit them.” (Sahih Muslim)
There is always the possibility that a command issued by the Prophet was abrogated (this could have happened for a myriad of reasons) and thus the hadith that we happen to have in front of us no longer applies; it has been replaced by another hadith which we may or may not have in any of the sahih compilations.

In another example, Abu Hurairah believed that he heard the Prophet say that those Muslims who were in a state of impurity at dawn during Ramadan should not fast that day (and he even transmitted this hadith to many Muslims), only to be later corrected by Aisha, may Allah be pleased with her, that this rule was abrogated and not practised by the Prophet himself. The incident is found in Sahih Muslim.
We are fortunate to know of several instances of hadith abrogation. Unfortunately, however, we cannot claim to know all — in theory, any hadith that concerns a commandment or a prohibition, no matter how sahih, may have been abrogated by a hadith that was issued later but never written down.
3. The Hadith May Not Be Intended For Our Time and Place
Many scholars hold that the hadiths should be taken as embodiments of general Quranic principles in the context of a specific place, time, and culture, 7th century Arabia. For example, consider the following hadith:
“Whatever of the izaar [lower garment for men] is below the ankles is in the Fire.” (Sahih Bukhari)
Taking this hadith literally and applying it to clothing today would mean that someone who wears jeans that extend to his sneakers is damned to Hell! However, other hadiths clarify the context of this statement, suggesting that it is not meant to apply in every situation:
When the Prophet said: “Whoever trails his garment on the ground out of pride, Allaah will not look at him on the Day of Resurrection,” Abu Bakr said to him, “O Messenger of Allaah, my izaar [lower garment for men] slips down if I do not pay attention to it.” He said: “You are not one of those who do it out of pride.” (Sahih Bukhari)
In the Western world, long pants are not symbols of pride, and acting on this hadith literally and cuffing pants above one’s ankles defies both common sense and Islamic reasoning. (On the other hand, one could argue that the hadith discourages sporting luxury watches and designer handbags, which have become the modern-day symbols of pride and vanity.)
Just as some prohibitions issued by the Prophet to his followers should not be applied verbatim, some of his habits do not need to be imitated to the letter. For example, the prophet commonly performed miswak using the arak twig. This is probably not because of the special value of this twig, but because this was the standard way of cleaning one’s mouth in 7th century Arabia. Following the Prophetic emphasis on cleanliness, today should lead us not to the miswak, but to the most hygienic practices available to us today: toothpaste, mouthwash, and regular dental appointments!
Many practices that are derived from the hadiths, such as performing miswak using twigs or restricting how long women can travel alone, clearly reflect the norms of ancient times. These and other prophetic practices should be recontextualized to guide Muslims living today.
Similarly, it is important to consider whether the hadith could have been issued in a very specific situation. In both Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, there are hadiths in which the Prophet discourages drinking while standing. Perhaps the most severe hadith is the following:
“No person should stand and drink water, and if one forgetfully stands and drinks water, it should be vomited out.” (Sahih Muslim)
At the same time, however, we find numerous reports of the Prophet drinking water while standing, such as this report:

Ali drank while standing then he said: “Some people say it is makruh [disliked by God] for one of you to drink while standing, but I saw the Prophet doing what you have seen me do.” (Sahih Bukhari)
Short of an abrogation, the best way to reconcile these hadiths is to suggest that the command to sit applies in a very specific situation while more generally, drinking while standing is allowed. I should note that there are scholars who synthesize these hadiths in other ways, such as by saying that drinking while sitting is preferred but not required, and drinking while standing is disliked. But upon closer examination, that seems to contradict both of the hadiths mentioned above, which are both very stark in their respective positions.
It is therefore clear that many hadiths, which were primarily intended for the immediate followers of the Prophet, are time- and context-dependent. While there is certainly wisdom in these hadiths, it is unwise to assume that they should be applied cut-and-paste more than a millennium later.
4. It May Be the Prophet’s Own Thoughts and Opinions
Not every command of the Prophet is grounds for Islamic legislation. There is a story found in Sahih Muslim, which makes this abundantly clear:
God’s Messenger came to Madinah and found the people grafting trees. He said: “What are you doing?” They said: “It has been our practice to do this,” whereupon he said: “Perhaps if you do not do that, it may be better for you.” So they abandoned this practice and this reduced their yield. They mentioned it to the Holy Prophet, whereupon he said: “I am a human being, so when I command you about a thing pertaining to religion, do accept it, and when I command you about a thing out of my personal opinion, keep it in mind that I am a human being.” (Sahih Muslim)
In another version of this hadith in Sahih Muslim, the phrase “Perhaps if you do not do that, it may be better for you.” is substituted by the stronger wording, “If you did not do it, it would be good.” The Prophet’s remark to keep an open mind regarding technical matters advises Muslims not to uncritically adhere to hadiths that concern matters tangential to religion and are better answered through scientific inquiry, such as medical prescriptions, choices for food and drink, grooming, and sleeping habits.
It is worth noting that the Prophet’s companions themselves distinguished the Prophet’s human thoughts and preferences from his religious instructions:
Khalid ibn al-Waleed reported that some grilled lizard meat was brought to the Prophet and put in front of him. He stretched out his hand to take some, but one of the people present said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, it is lizard meat,’ so he pulled his hand back. Khalid ibn al-Waleed asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, is lizard haram?’ He said, ‘No, but it is not known among my people and I cannot face eating it.’ So Khalid took some of the lizard meat and ate it, whilst the Messenger of Allah looked on. (Sahih Bukhari)
There may or may not be righteousness in imitating the Prophet’s personal preferences, but it is clear from the above hadith that not all Companions felt the need to do so.
5. The Prophet May Have Said Nothing Like It
In the minds of many Muslims, a hadith having a sahih chain of transmitters leaves no doubt that it was said by the Prophet, or that at least some version of it was said by the Prophet. I hope that the above discussion has convinced you that we should nevertheless be cautious in acting upon the literal meaning of an authentic hadith without further investigation.

But as it turns out, even hadith that have been verified as sahih are fallible, as should not be a surprise, as any verification scheme devised by imperfect human minds will likely be imperfect. One example should suffice to prove this general fact.
Abu Hurairah said: “The Messenger of Allah took my hand and said: ‘Allah created the earth on Saturday, and over it, He created the mountains on Sunday. He created the trees on Monday, He created things entailing labour on Tuesday, He created light on Wednesday, He scattered the animals in it on Thursday, and He created Adam, peace be upon him, after ‘Asr on Friday, the last of creation in the last hour of Friday, between ‘Asr and nightfall.” (Sahih Muslim)
Besides the fact that this hadith seems to wholly contradict our empirical understanding of the physical world, it also differs from the story of creation mentioned in the Quran. The hadith mentions the creation of the earth in seven days of the week, while the creation of the heavens and earth, as mentioned in the Quran, occurs over six days/periods (7:54).
It was to protect the sanctity of the hadith that the Prophet himself as well as the early caliphs discouraged people from writing down and freely narrating statements of the Prophet. Given the risk of inauthenticity, classical scholars in our tradition used to treat even sahih hadiths with care. While they deemed sahih hadiths a suitable basis for legislative opinions, they did not consider them robust and certain enough for matters of core beliefs — except for the handful of hadith transmitted by large numbers of independent narrators (termed mutawatir). Very telling, one of these few mutawatir hadiths is the following statement from the Prophet:
“Do not attribute lies to me, for anyone who attributes lies to me will be doomed to Hellfire.” (Sahih Muslim)
Final Remarks
There are many reasons to be cautious when using a hadith to make decisions about the will of God. The hadith may not be authentic or perfectly collected, even if some scholars deem it sahih — neither they nor any of the narrators, are free from error. The hadith may not be meant for us, either because it was meant for a specific time or a specific circumstance. It may have been revoked by later hadith, or it may only reflect the Prophet’s human, fallible thoughts and preferences. The possibilities for distortion, poor interpretation, and poor application are many.
It follows that issuing and rejecting fatwas on the sole basis of hadiths can be a very dangerous activity, even when performed by knowledgeable scholars. While the hadiths provide us unparalleled insight into the early history of Islam and are thus invaluable to all Muslims, extreme deliberation must accompany any attempt when relying on hadith in matters concerning Islamic law.
I ask Allah for my guidance, your guidance, and the guidance of the Muslim community. Amee
An excellent response, specially if it is not a cut and paste and penned by you, even though I might not 100% agree with it. Because it still leaves space for extracting deen and jurisprudence from hadith.

The problem I see is no one is willing to even talk about this subject let alone have an informative debate here. The hadithists response is limited only to posting clips of their imams and mullahs, no one willing to take a pause and give it a rational thought.

I've laid down a dozen different arguments from a dozen different angles and till date no one has stepped up and tried to challenge them or debate the, reason being, one the people who fight tooth and nail about hadith being a major source of deen, really haven't read much hadith themselves and are just blindly defending it. second they also have no clue how hadith science works, what is the history of hadith, how it came into being etc etc.
 

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