All you Agree say YES To My Analysis and Question

[gazoomartian]

All you Agree say YES To My Analysis and Question: What Do You Think

We have been reading immense number of pro and anti Zaid Hamid on this forum since last few weeks. Both sides have posted articles of their choice. Both sides have accused the other of misleading the readers.

After reading all these, I have done my own thinking and analysis. Its a fact that Almi Majlis-e-tahaffuz (the Tahaffuz) has been very prominent and vocal on disgracing Zaid Hamid and accusing him of siding with Yousuf Ali, accused of claiming prophethood.

Before I ask you to vote, it will be necessary to mention here that the case of prophethood in session court of Lahore. As per Zahid Hamid, twelve or so witness appeared to defend Yousuf Ali but no witness showed up for the prosecutor. In any advanced and developed society, this alone, the fact that witness was balanced in favour of the accused, should have been sufficient enough to dismiss the case.

But the session court judge, may be for his own reason, convicted the accused, Yousuf Ali anyway and jailed him. This is another matter that an inmate murdered him.

In the light of the above, I believe the session court judge did not act on his own, but he may have been under pressure from the Tahaffuz. It could also be that the judge is an active member of the Tahaffuz.

Now they have realised they, the judge and the Tahaffuz, made a terrible mistake in convicting Ali and its coming to haunt them. Specially since Zaid Hamid is an accused of being a follower of Ali, he has proven that Ali was actually wrongly convicted because of the design by the Tahaffuz. Hamid has hinted that if he were to become in power, he would put the responsible party for the murder of Ali.

The maulanas at the Tahuffuz and the session judge are seeing noose around their necks. This is the reason why they have unleashed recruits to condemn and disgrace Hamid. Their scheme is to get Hamid caught in this dirty tricks and politics and take him away from focusing on his mission takmeel-e-Pakistan. But Hamid is very smart and intellectual, he simply avoided so far these maulanas from trapping him.

I truly believe that the Tahaffuz us very scared of their future. I also believe that the session court judge, who convicted Ali, has either received huge sum of money in kickback or he is a member of the Tahaffuz, hence sees noose around his neck......

I suggest Zaid Hamid that, if he does become Khalifa, his first priority should be to prosecute the responsible party for the murder of Ali. He should also hang at least 5 maulanas or maulvis from each group, tahaffuz, deobandi, brailvi, ahl-e-sunnat and similar groups.

I love and respect ulamas but todays ulamas are not offering any comfort to the ummah. They are busy in serving their own interest and perhaps filling their bank accounts.

He should also include ghaddar politicians such as Zaradri, Malik, NS, AH, for their contribution to the destructin of Pakistani society and economy. This is going to be tough but must be done and it will require lots of courage on part of Hamid.

All hanging must be in public so others could take lessons, as prescribed in the Quran.

Now I am ready to take wrathful comments from members.

Thank you

Gazoo Martian

 

[patriot]

I agree to your analysis.
And yes hang all the 'maulanas' if you want an islamic Pakistan.

 

[sagaciouscorpion]

Interesting analysis Gazoo....

But making Zaid Hamid Khalifa....is getting difficult for me to digest..... How does he qualify for that???? I dont know.....

While about your molvis conspiracy theory..... I think you ve weaved a good theory.... But I honestly believe that our Madrissa passed molvis arent able to think beyond their pulpits.... unfortunately....


And my personal opinion about Yousuf Ali (Only Allah knows that whether he made a claim of prophethood or not) is that it might be the case that the session judge passed the verdict under pressure or whatever .....because in our country these matters are generally dealt with "Jazbaat" rather than logic and evidence....

 

[waseemmanno]

I agree to your theory.

I believe enough has been said about this issue. We should believe on our own senses. I have been a little confused about this issue to some extend but this morning when I saw the press release of Zaid Hamid in which he confessed that he believes on Khatam e Naboowat.

I strongly believe now we should not discuss this matter further. Allah knows better about everything but as far as we are concerned I have not seen Zaid Hamid talking anything against Islam. And he has talked about Khilafat e Rashida to prevail in this country which is great. Let us suppose even if he is wrong the day he would say anything against Islam nobody would stand with him. He would be sensible enough to understand this.

Now look at the other side the people who are creating conspiracy theories. What is their credibility. What sort of proofs they have shown us? Well can we believe their word of mouth. Well these people hanged Yousaf Ali why didnt they hang Zaid Hamid who claimed to be his Sahabi according to them.

Since a long time they have seen Zaid Hamid on tv he is not new to all of us. Where were they that time? Now are they jelouse due to growing popularity of Zaid Hamid? The answer to my understanding is yes.

These so called ulemas never played any role to construct an Islamic society even they joined hands with the corrupt government of Pakistan. This is their credibility.

I think Zaid Hamid has made himself clear enough and now I guess we should trust on Allah. Amaal ka daaro midaar neeyat pe hota hai. We should do everything with a good intention and lets hope and pray that Pakistan will shine brighter than a moon on the sky of success and happiness.

At the end I would like to request all of you to focus on Takmeel e Pakistan. The more discussions will never let this issue die and this may derivate us from right path---Takmeel e Pakistan.

 

[Basim_ali]

Asalam Alykum
Keep aside issue of Yusaf Kazzab and all the scholars getting against Mr. ZH.
Use your own knowledge of islam and judge the person, get hold of one program series of ZH on Naimat Allah shah Wali. You donot need to convince anyone and judge yourself in the light of islamic teachings.
Remember a hadith that if a person goes to a fortune teller is that he doesnot have have faith in Muhammad Rassol Allah (PBUH).

I support his words on establishing the Khilafat but he possesses wrong understanding of islam. He preaches sufi-ism and be impartial, do your own research or listen to lectures from youtube on the subject. Sufi-ism is not islam.

Please, my brothers in islam donot be carried away on the name of islam by a Sufi.

 

[Pakistani1947]

I disagree with Gazoo uncle's assumptions. I have no doubts in the intentions of most of the Ulemas (Maulanas) from all sects like Deobandi, Barelvi and Ahal-e-Hadeeth (with exception like Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman). The problem is that most of our Maulanas are narrow minded because they are not educated enought. During current times, they are behaving like "Nadan Dost"( ????? ????).

The islamic education system need to be changed. Only those Islamic scholars should be able to write a Fatwas etc. who have done research work and have got PHD degrees from a renouned Islamic University, on basis of reseach work NOT just after remembering some islamic books which are written by their own sects.

They should not be following blindly anybody except Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) and the Holy book, Qur'aan. There were some big personalities after Muhammad (Sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) but their writings has to be in compliance with Qur'aan and Hadeeth.

 

[atensari]

I agree to your analysis.
And yes hang all the 'maulanas' if you want an islamic Pakistan.

What plans do you have to make Pakistan an Islamic state?

 

[gazoomartian]

Interesting analysis Gazoo....

But making Zaid Hamid Khalifa....is getting difficult for me to digest..... How does he qualify for that???? I dont know.....

While about your molvis conspiracy theory..... I think you ve weaved a good theory.... But I honestly believe that our Madrissa passed molvis arent able to think beyond their pulpits.... unfortunately....


And my personal opinion about Yousuf Ali (Only Allah knows that whether he made a claim of prophethood or not) is that it might be the case that the session judge passed the verdict under pressure or whatever .....because in our country these matters are generally dealt with "Jazbaat" rather than logic and evidence....

jazbaat and influence from the ruling people

 

[gazoomartian]

I agree to your theory.

I believe enough has been said about this issue. We should believe on our own senses. I have been a little confused about this issue to some extend but this morning when I saw the press release of Zaid Hamid in which he confessed that he believes on Khatam e Naboowat.

I strongly believe now we should not discuss this matter further. Allah knows better about everything but as far as we are concerned I have not seen Zaid Hamid talking anything against Islam. And he has talked about Khilafat e Rashida to prevail in this country which is great. Let us suppose even if he is wrong the day he would say anything against Islam nobody would stand with him. He would be sensible enough to understand this.

Now look at the other side the people who are creating conspiracy theories. What is their credibility. What sort of proofs they have shown us? Well can we believe their word of mouth. Well these people hanged Yousaf Ali why didnt they hang Zaid Hamid who claimed to be his Sahabi according to them.

Since a long time they have seen Zaid Hamid on tv he is not new to all of us. Where were they that time? Now are they jelouse due to growing popularity of Zaid Hamid? The answer to my understanding is yes.

These so called ulemas never played any role to construct an Islamic society even they joined hands with the corrupt government of Pakistan. This is their credibility.

I think Zaid Hamid has made himself clear enough and now I guess we should trust on Allah. Amaal ka daaro midaar neeyat pe hota hai. We should do everything with a good intention and lets hope and pray that Pakistan will shine brighter than a moon on the sky of success and happiness.

At the end I would like to request all of you to focus on Takmeel e Pakistan. The more discussions will never let this issue die and this may derivate us from right path---Takmeel e Pakistan.

apney parcham taley ++ har sipahi chaley
jaisey taron ki jhurmut mein chanda chaley

I salute Pakistani flag and Zaid Hamid for such a courage, not being afraid of his possible assasination attempt, truly a diamond in the rough

 

[gazoomartian]

Asalam Alykum
Keep aside issue of Yusaf Kazzab and all the scholars getting against Mr. ZH.
Use your own knowledge of islam and judge the person, get hold of one program series of ZH on Naimat Allah shah Wali. You donot need to convince anyone and judge yourself in the light of islamic teachings.
Remember a hadith that if a person goes to a fortune teller is that he doesnot have have faith in Muhammad Rassol Allah (PBUH).

I support his words on establishing the Khilafat but he possesses wrong understanding of islam. He preaches sufi-ism and be impartial, do your own research or listen to lectures from youtube on the subject. Sufi-ism is not islam.

Please, my brothers in islam donot be carried away on the name of islam by a Sufi.

Sufi-ism or not we need a cpurageous and revolutionary man, and THAT he is

enough with corrupts

 

[gazoomartian]

I agree to your analysis.
And yes hang all the 'maulanas' if you want an islamic Pakistan.

What plans do you have to make Pakistan an Islamic state?

if I personally had a plan I would establish Islamic state by keeping maulanas and maulvis OUT. Specially the fasadis

 

[Nice2MU]

@gazoomartian.........Dear Brother..........u r absolutely right.But please don't consider Z Hamid for Khilafat..........he is very emotional person. He would hang every one. We also might be one of them for very small sin [funnny] .

........Apart from this I must say that these Mulvies harmed Islam more than anyone else. A few days earlier I had seen the press conference of various molvies against the Zaid Hamid...........If there would pray time, every one would see that every Mulana would make his own Jumaat. They even don't pray behind each other. I have seen and heard about it. But spreading the Satanic propaganda they would become one.........These mulivies might be killed by India become India also doesn't like Z Hamid. In this way India might have hit Two Birds with one Stone.

How Mulana becomes into being in our Society?

If a child in school fails again and again in a class and can't get success due to their low mental level and mischievous nature. Their parents would realised after some time that their child can't get success in normal school so why not admit him into a Religious Madrassa. So what do you that after 14 years or more...........when he become Mulvi Sahib, would his nature be changed or his mental level would rise to an Intellectual level? The answer is a Big No. So when these kinds of people become mulvi and take the control of Religion in their hands then it is not difficult to imagine what they would to Islam and to society.

 

[atensari]

if I personally had a plan I would establish Islamic state by keeping maulanas and maulvis OUT. Specially the fasadis

What have you done in Past, what you doing in present, what will you do in future and How. What you can do alone.

 

[Pakistani1947]

I see a lot of voilant mentality in this forum.

YOU CAN NOT HANG MAULANAS BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEVES OR JAHALAT (?????).

Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance.

The religion who gives right to non-Muslims how can that religion would allow hanging Maulanas.

And We have not sent you but as a mercy to all the worlds. (Quran 21:107)
There is no compulsion in religion (Quran 2:256)
Click following link for more information:
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=18559

The religion who gives rights to animals how can that religion would allow hanging Maulanas. I am quoting only one Hadeeth:

Saying daily prayers (salat) is one of the five most important obligations of the Moslem religion. In the following Hadith, one of his companions tells us that the holy Prophet(s) and his fellow travelers used to delay even saying their prayers until they had first given their riding and pack animals fodder and had attended to their needs: "When we stopped at a halt, we did not say our prayers until we had taken the burdens off our camels' backs and attended to their needs." (Narrated by Anas. Awn (Ref. No. 32); 7:223; Hadith aNo. 5234. Also 'Guillaume' (Ref. No. 57); pp.106, 107).

Click link below for more Hadeeths:
http://www.siasat.pk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=18715&p=80756#p80756

Could someone from this forum prove from the teaching of Islam that Maulana may be hanged???

 

[gazoomartian]

I see a lot of voilant mentality in this forum.

YOU CAN NOT HANG MAULANAS BECAUSE OF THEIR BELIEVES OR JAHALAT (?????).

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innocent maulanas and maulvis (if you can find one) will be spared. I was refering more to fasadi maulana and maulvis..... the teaching of deen applies to both sides. we can not just sit idle and let the maulvis destroy our pakistan.

sometimes kahlifa has to take measure in the good interest of the nation that may not be very popular. But in the vast interest of the nation it must be done

 

[babadeena]

When old age is overpowering, mind is not well synchronized with the thoughts, a disease of "self-talking" appears. Khalifa Nazir died long time ago and even Pakistan Film Industry is now at her ashes, which Khalifa is being dreamed at.
--- Load shedding is shedding the whole nation. Exchequer does not have money to pay PSO to buy furnace oil to produce electricity;
---- Dollar very soon will be stretching the Pak.Rupees towards a triple digit figure;
---- Government is shuttling with Friends of Democratic Pakistan. Japan is coming forward to give a cheque to overcome budget deficit.
---- One who leaves house in the morning for work is suddenly greeted with
bangs and bloodshed is running more than the natural water in dams and rivers.
--- Bandar and Dugdadee ka show is going on.

--- Before it was Shia-Sunni now it is going to be everyone against everyone.

We are dreaming about "Khalifa". Wish to get something, once and for all, make a choice either we are going to be "He or She".

 

[patriot]

I agree to your analysis.
And yes hang all the 'maulanas' if you want an islamic Pakistan.

What plans do you have to make Pakistan an Islamic state?

I think you can not make an Islamic state while you have all these sects around .
Get rid of sects ,be one nation united on Allah and Rasool , Which is Quran.
After that you will have no problem imlementing quranic laws ,hence Islamic state .
It is not an easy task and it will take a long long time.

ZH is perhaps not suitable to be Khalifa but he is at least making an effort to organize the youth and make an all-Pakistan umbrella organization. Once you have such an organization, you can make them achieve anything. He is about to make a pro Pakaistan movement.
And on the other hand, what do the mullahs do? They divide the nation into several sects that hate each other so they're easier to control. They have taken the ability to think for themselves from the people, have people away from the Quran and led them over to man-made books. I think it's a crime against humanity which is enough to bring them to court and convict them. If you do not want to hang them then make them shut up.
There is no room for priests in Islam. And sects are forbidden.

 

[shaheedchoudry]

I agree to your analysis.
And yes hang all the 'maulanas' if you want an islamic Pakistan.

ISLAMIC PAKISTAN? PICTURE IN YOUR PROFILE IS NOT EVEN OF A MUSLIM.

 

[digitalzygot1]

A lot on anti state elements are in this forum with muslim names and they know what he says is right. They are afraid and they are out there to defame him. They are trying every dirty thing they can come up with. I believe what I hear and what he says is truth. I like listening to him. If he said something wrong/ridiculous/inflammatory/instigating violence I will not support him. He talks about what our enemy wants/planning/currently doing in Pakistan and how we can defend our country and faith.

 

[patriot]

I agree to your analysis.
And yes hang all the 'maulanas' if you want an islamic Pakistan.

ISLAMIC PAKISTAN? PICTURE IN YOUR PROFILE IS NOT EVEN OF A MUSLIM.

Brother , are you saying that Quad E Azam and his sister were not muslims???