About Quraan for Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers and other educated people

[Mughal1]

azizaane man, jo baaten main kerne laga hun un per zaraa ghoro fiker kijiye ga. mere liye nahin baatun ko samajhne ya samjhaane ke liye. kyunkeh ye baaten deene islam yaani quraan ka bunyaadi taqaaza hen jin ko logoon ka jaan lena laazmi hai warna un ke musalmaani ke daawe sirf daawe hi rahen ge jaisa keh rahe hen sadyun se.

yaad rakhen quraan aik aisi kitaab hai khudaa ki taraf se insaanu ke liye jo aik pemaane yaani criterion ya standard ya yardstick ya benchmark ya bunyaad ke tor per di gayee hai. standard kia hota hai aur us ko kaise istemaal kiya jaata hai main aap ko ye baat samjhaane ki koshish kerne laga hun.

standard us baat ko kehte hen jo kisi na kisi wajah se logoon ke darmiyaan mushtarik ho ya mushtarik qaraar di jaaye aik mayaar ke tor per. koi standard kis level ka standard hai is baat ko jaanana bhi zaroori hai. yahee nahin pemaane ka istemaal jaanana bhi zaroori hai keh ye sab baaten aapas main laazimo malzoom hen. yaani agar in main se kisi aik ko bhi chhora jaaye ga to baat nahin ban sake gi, jaise dekh sakne waali aankh ke saath saath roshni bhi laazmi hai.

quraan khudaa ki taraf se insaanu ke liye sach aur jhoot ya saheeh aur ghalat ya faaidemand aur nuqsaandeh baatun ke taaiyun ka bunyaadi standard yaa pemaana hai. aise hi jaise aik meter ye gaz istemaal kiya jaat hai kisi shai ki lambayee maapne ke liye.

isse pehle keh aap kisi pemaane ko istemaal main laayen us ke mutaliq laazmi malumaat ka jaanana az bas laazmi hai warna aap us ko drust tareeqe se istemaal main laa hi nahin sakte. yahee maamla quraan ka bhi hai. issi liye sirf ye maan lena keh quraan pemaana hai kaafi nahin hai. kyunkeh ye pemaana istemaal kerne ke liye diya gayaa hai.

yun samjhen keh agar aap ko koi electronic instrument istemaal kerna pad jaaye batore aik doctor ye sainsdaan ya injinier to aap kia karen ge? sab se pehle aap us instrument ka drust maqsad jaane ge phir us ke baare main seekhen ge keh isse kaise faaida uthaaya jaa sakta hai us ke saheeh istemaal se. is ke baghair aap ke liye woh instrument bilkul bekaar hai. yahee maamla quraan ka bhi hai. jab tak aap quraan ke baare main laazmi malumaat haasil nahin karen ge quraan aap ke liye faaidemand saabit ho hi nahin sakta.

aaj ummat aik masla bani hui hai kyunkeh is ne quraan ko un maqaasid ke liye seekhna chhor diya hai aik zamaane se jin maqaasid ke liye ye pemaana ummat ko diya gayaa tha. metre ho ya gaz ya koi aur instrument agar aap is ka drust maqsad hi maloom nahin karen ge ya is ka drust istemaal hi nahin seekhen ge to kia ye aap ko munaasib faaida de ga? her giz nahin. lihaaza quraan se quraan ka asal maqsad jaanu theek tarah se aur phir ye maloom karo is ka saheeh istemaal kia hai. agar aap ko in baatun se gharaz hi nahin hai to aap khud ko musalmaan kehte rahiye hatta keh deegar log bhi aap ko musalmaan kehte rahen magar quraan ki nazar main aap musalmaan nahin hen. khud ko aur aik doosre ko dhoke dete raiye aise musalmaan ban ker aur aik doosre ko banaa ker magar khudaa ko aap dhoka nahin de sakte aur na hi khudaa ke sahibe ilm bandun ko.

doosri baat zameer ki awaaz ki hai. woh ye keh ghalat baat per insaan ka khud apna zameer hi us ko malaamat kerta hai. ye baat drust hai keh insaan ka zameer us ko ghalat baat per malaamat kerta hai magar us ghalat baat ka criterion kia hai jis per zameer malaamat kare ga ya kerta hai? ye to her insaan ki apni apni soch hai keh woh kis baat ko ghalat aur kis baat ko saheeh samajhta hai lihaaza issi hisaab se us ka zameer intervene kare ga na keh asal main sach aur jhoot per ya asal main ghalat aur saheeh per. yahee baat to zameer ko maloom nahin hai aur na hi kabhi ho sakti hai. issi liye khudaa ki wahee yaani quraan ki zaroorat hai insaaniyat ko taa keh us ke liye saheeh aur ghalat ka pemaana muqarar ho jaaye.

issi liye quraan ko jaane baghair insaaniyat hamesha bhatakti rahe gi chahe khud ko musalmaan kehe ya kuchh aur. agar saheeh pemaana ho ga aur us ka insaanu ko saheeh istemaal aata ho ga tab jaa kar baat bane gi warna nahin. lihaaza padhe likhe hazraat apna qibla drust karen ta keh woh insaani duniya ko drust simt main drust manzil tak le jaa saken.

regards and all the best.

 

[Vitamin_C]

I am taking a break from Quran for now and specifically focusing on the early history of Islam. It seems like other than the Quran, entire Muslim history is a lie. Everything was corrupted by Umayyads and the Abbasids after them specially after the second fitna.

Even one of the 3 verses that are on Masjid Aqsa is missing from Quran. It seems even Quran was standardized many more times by Abbasids after Uthman. Current version of Quran we used is the 1924 Cairo version.

Fun facts I have learned so far:
Muawiya was not a Muslim he was Christian, but that Christianty was very similar to Islam, they believed in one god and in coming of the Mahdi.

Muhammad did not call his religion Islam. Islam is not even mentioned in Quran. And his followers were not called Muslim, which is also not mentioned in Quran. They were called Momin.

Current religion Islam was founded by Abdul Malik who also created Dome of Rock and invented the Kalma. He is also the first person to mention Muhammad as his final prophet, over 50 years after Muhammad's death. It seems much of what Muslims follow today was founded by Abdul Malik and not Muhammad.

After Abdul Malik death second fitna happened and Kabaah location and Qibla was moved from Petra to Makkah.

According to Jordanian archaeologists, Muhammad was not from Makkah and he was not Arab speaker. He spoke Nabataen and Syriac like Jesus and was from Mediteranian region rather than Hejaz and Makkah did not exist until 800 AD which is almost 200 years after his death. Makkah also cannot be found on any map of any civilization even Arabs themselves until 800AD.

 

[Vitamin_C]

Sorry not after Abdel Malik Ibn Marwan death. The second fitna was taking place during his reign. And Ibn Zubayr fled with the black stone towards Hejaz. But the Qibla directions were still pointing towards Petra and started to change in late 720s AD. The first Qibla that actually points towards Makkah is in Bhanbore Sindh (Abbasids who wanted Qibla to be moved to Hejaz were supported by peopel from modern day Afghanistan and Pakistan). It was built around 727 AD almost 100 years after death of Muhammad, Qibla started pointed towards Hijaz.

 

[Citizen X]

I am taking a break from Quran for now and specifically focusing on the early history of Islam. It seems like other than the Quran, entire Muslim history is a lie. Everything was corrupted by Umayyads and the Abbasids after them specially after the second fitna.

Even one of the 3 verses that are on Masjid Aqsa is missing from Quran. It seems even Quran was standardized many more times by Abbasids after Uthman. Current version of Quran we used is the 1924 Cairo version.

Fun facts I have learned so far:
Muawiya was not a Muslim he was Christian, but that Christianty was very similar to Islam, they believed in one god and in coming of the Mahdi.

Muhammad did not call his religion Islam. Islam is not even mentioned in Quran. And his followers were not called Muslim, which is also not mentioned in Quran. They were called Momin.

Current religion Islam was founded by Abdul Malik who also created Dome of Rock and invented the Kalma. He is also the first person to mention Muhammad as his final prophet, over 50 years after Muhammad's death. It seems much of what Muslims follow today was founded by Abdul Malik and not Muhammad.

After Abdul Malik death second fitna happened and Kabaah location and Qibla was moved from Petra to Makkah.

According to Jordanian archaeologists, Muhammad was not from Makkah and he was not Arab speaker. He spoke Nabataen and Syriac like Jesus and was from Mediteranian region rather than Hejaz and Makkah did not exist until 800 AD which is almost 200 years after his death. Makkah also cannot be found on any map of any civilization even Arabs themselves until 800AD.

My God, I haven't seen so much fail in one post for a verrrrrrry long time.

 

[Umar_LA]

I am taking a break from Quran for now and specifically focusing on the early history of Islam. It seems like other than the Quran, entire Muslim history is a lie. Everything was corrupted by Umayyads and the Abbasids after them specially after the second fitna.

Even one of the 3 verses that are on Masjid Aqsa is missing from Quran. It seems even Quran was standardized many more times by Abbasids after Uthman. Current version of Quran we used is the 1924 Cairo version.

Fun facts I have learned so far:
Muawiya was not a Muslim he was Christian, but that Christianty was very similar to Islam, they believed in one god and in coming of the Mahdi.

Muhammad did not call his religion Islam. Islam is not even mentioned in Quran. And his followers were not called Muslim, which is also not mentioned in Quran. They were called Momin.

Current religion Islam was founded by Abdul Malik who also created Dome of Rock and invented the Kalma. He is also the first person to mention Muhammad as his final prophet, over 50 years after Muhammad's death. It seems much of what Muslims follow today was founded by Abdul Malik and not Muhammad.

After Abdul Malik death second fitna happened and Kabaah location and Qibla was moved from Petra to Makkah.

According to Jordanian archaeologists, Muhammad was not from Makkah and he was not Arab speaker. He spoke Nabataen and Syriac like Jesus and was from Mediteranian region rather than Hejaz and Makkah did not exist until 800 AD which is almost 200 years after his death. Makkah also cannot be found on any map of any civilization even Arabs themselves until 800AD.

The issue is the Qadyani have no Idea what to do now, they fail to convince ordinary Pakistani Indians about their false belief so now they have changed their course, again their propaganda already failed miserably

look at your own words no backed by any fact, quoting some random things like Jordanian archaeologists lolz what the hell is that,

 

[Umar_LA]

azizaane man, jo baaten main kerne laga hun un per zaraa ghoro fiker kijiye ga. mere liye nahin baatun ko samajhne ya samjhaane ke liye. kyunkeh ye baaten deene islam yaani quraan ka bunyaadi taqaaza hen jin ko logoon ka jaan lena laazmi hai warna un ke musalmaani ke daawe sirf daawe hi rahen ge jaisa keh rahe hen sadyun se.

yaad rakhen quraan aik aisi kitaab hai khudaa ki taraf se insaanu ke liye jo aik pemaane yaani criterion ya standard ya yardstick or ya benchmark ya bunyaad ke tor per di gayee hai. standard kia hota hai aur us ko kaise istemaal kiya jaat hai main aap ko ye baat samjhaane ki koshish kerne laga hun.

standard us baat ko kehte hen jo kisi na kisi wajah se logoon ke darmiyaan mushtarik ho ya mushtarik qaraar di jaaye. koi standard kis level ka standard hai is baat ko jaanana bhi zaroori hai. yahee nahin standard ka istemaal jaanana bhi zaroori hai keh ye sab baaten aapas main laazimo malzoom hen. yaani agar in main se kisi aik ko bhi chhora jaaye ga to baat nahin ban sake gi, jaise dekh sakne waali aankh ke saath saath roshni bhi laazmi hai.

quraan khudaa ki taraf se insaanu ke liye sach aur jhoot ya saheeh aur ghalat ya faaidemand aur nuqsaandeh baatun ke taaiyun ka bunyaadi standard yaa pemaana hai. aise hi jaise aik meter ye gaz istemaal kiya jaat hai kisi shai ki lambayee maapne ke liye.

isse pehle keh aap kisi pemaane ko istemaal main laayen us ke mutaliq laazmi malumaat ka jaanana az bas laazmi hai warna aap us ko drust tareeqe se istemaal main laa hi nahin sakte. yahee maamla quraan ka bhi hai. issi liye sirf ye maan lena keh quraan pemaana hai kaafi nahin hai. kyunkeh ye pemaana istemaal kerne ke liye diya gayaa hai.

yun samjhen keh agar aap ko koi electronic instrument istemaal kerna pad jaaye batore aik doctor ye sainsdaan ya injinier to aap kia karen ge? sab se pehle aap us instrument ka maqsad jaane ge phir us ke baare main seekhen ge keh isse kaise faaida uthaaya jaa sakta hai us ke saheeh istemaal se. is ke baghair aap ke liye woh instrument bilkul bekaar hai. yahee maamla quraan ka bhi hai. jab tak aap quraan ke baare main laazmi malumaat haasil nahin karen ge quraan aap ke liye faaidemand saabit ho hi nahin sakta.

aaj ummat aik masla bani hui hai kyunkeh is ne quraan ko un maqaasid ke liye seekhna chhor diya hai aik zamaane se jin maqaasid ke liye ye pemaana ummat ko diya gayaa tha. metre ho ya gaz ya koi aur instrument agar aap is ka drust maqsad hi maloom nahin karen ge ya is ka drust istemaal hi nahin seekhen ge to kia ye aap ko munaasib faaida de ga? her giz nahin. lihaaza quraan se quraan ka asal maqsad jaanu theek tarah se aur phir ye maloom karo is ka saheeh istemaal kia hai. agar aap ko in baatun se gharaz hi nahin hai to aap khud ko musalmaan kehte rahiye hatta keh deegar log bhi aap ko musalmaan kehte rahen magar quraan ki nazar main aap musalmaan nahin hen. khud ko aur aik doosre ko dhoke dete raiye aise musalmaan ban ker aur aik doosre ko banaa ker magar khudaa ko aap dhoka nahin de sakte aur na hi khudaa ke sahibe ilm bandun ko.

doosri baat zameer ki awaaz ki hai. woh ye keh ghalat baat per insaan ka khud apna zameer hi us ko malaamat kerta hai. ye baat drust hai keh insaan ka zameer us ko ghalat baat per malaamat kerta hai magar us ghalat baat ka criterion kia hai jis per zameer malaamat kare ga ya kerta hai? ye to her insaan ki apni apni soch hai keh woh kis baat ko ghalat aur kis baat ko saheeh samajhta hai lihaaza issi hisaab se us ka zameer intervene kare ga na keh asal main sach aur jhoot per ya asal main ghalat aur saheeh per. yahee baat to zameer ko maloom nahin hai aur na hi kabhi ho sakti hai. issi liye khudaa ki wahee yaani quraan ki zaroorat hai insaaniyat ko taa keh us ke liye saheeh aur ghalat ka pemaana muqarar ho jaaye.

issi liye quraan ko jaane baghair insaaniyat hamesha bhatakti rahe gi chahe khud ko musalmaan kehe ya kuchh aur. agar saheeh pemaana ho ga aur us ka insaanu ko saheeh istemaal aat ho ga tab jaa kar baat bane gi warna nahin. lihaaza padhe likhe hazraat apna qibla drust karen ta keh woh insaani duniya ko drust simt main drust manzil tak le jaa saken.

regards and all the best.

The issue is the Qadyani have no Idea what to do now, they fail to convince ordinary Pakistani Indians about their false belief so now they have changed their course, again their propaganda already failed miserably

They dont like Dr Israr Ahmed , Dr Zakir Naik, Engineer Muhammad Ali Mirza Ustad Noman Ali Khan, so I can see where they are going now.

 

[Umar_LA]

My God, I haven't seen so much fail in one post for a verrrrrrry long time.

These Qadyani have changed their course now, I have followed them on Twitter and I can see they are very desperate now, they failed to convince about their mirza ghulam ahmed qadyani so now they want to preach atheasiam

 

[Wake up Pak]

My God, I haven't seen so much fail in one post for a verrrrrrry long time.

I believe he is reading the book by Dan Gibson an amateur Canadian archeologist.

 

[Citizen X]

These Qadyani have changed their course now, I have followed them on Twitter and I can see they are very desperate now, they failed to convince about their mirza ghulam ahmed qadyani so now they want to preach atheasiam

He's not qaidiyani I know that for certain. In fact even a qaidiyan would say the same thing as I did. He's an ex-muslim agnostic of recent flattered by revisionists like Dan Gibson.

Lets not be childish and label every one you disagree with as hindu and qaidiyani.

 

[Citizen X]

I believe he is reading the book by Dan Gibson an amateur Canadian archeologist.

Gibson has very weak and easily dismissed arguments. He's nothing but an orientalist revisionist. Gibson gives a brilliant presentation but you just need to scratch away a little at the surface to see his arguments fail.

 

[Umar_LA]

He's not qaidiyani I know that for certain. In fact even a qaidiyan would say the same thing as I did. He's an ex-muslim agnostic of recent flattered by revisionists like Dan Gibson.

Lets not be childish and label every one you disagree with as hindu and qaidiyani.

agree with you, but most of the ex-Muslims are former qadyanis. But you can be right as well

 

[Vitamin_C]

My God, I haven't seen so much fail in one post for a verrrrrrry long time.

There is no book on Islamic history for an entire century after Muhammad’s death. The only way we can find that history is by excavating old mosques, stone inscriptions and coins. And they all lead to what I just said. If I am wrong then demonstrate it. Hadiths and Prophets biography comes almost 2 centuries later. It’s like you and me sitting down now in 21st century trying to write down the events of battle of Panipat.

 

[Citizen X]

There is no book on Islamic history for an entire century after Muhammad’s death. The only way we can find that history is by excavating old mosques, stone inscriptions and coins. And they all lead to what I just said. If I am wrong then demonstrate it. Hadiths and Prophets biography comes almost 2 centuries later. It’s like you and me sitting down now in 21st century trying to write down the events of battle of Panipat.

We've been through this before and to be honest it would take me a very long time and lot of work to go through it all and honestly I don't have the time and nor do I really want to go through the laborious process.

 

[Mughal1]

Dear vitamin c, kindly see this thread as well as this one.