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[hnuter555]

yep u r right he is pro mushraf he really presented history in a bad way there was no such clause as per my knoweledge about independent state it was either with pakistan or with india and it was india who entered its army first and general gracey of pakistan disobyed the orders of quiad azam ra and then quid ask tribel men to safe kashmiri muslims from the hand of dogra raj and indian accuptation and when kashimir was about to be freed indian went to united nations asking for casefire and accepted right of self determination of kashmiri people so pls dont try to misguide people

terkie azadie started with the death of muqbool butt shaheed killing in the hands of indian accpuation army and dont blame freedom fighters of kashmir to modern day terrosion both have no connections what so ever

people of kashmir are close to pakistan in bloody in colour in religion and it was a kashmiri who presented the idea of pakistan guess who if u r still wondering let me simply for u its allama iqbal RA

however if kashmiris want their state its their right no one should accpy them but question is what are thier future in the middle of great powers of china and india and pakistan i guess they have to live in hygmoney of these countries

therefore kashimiri people should be given opportunity to make a choice if they want to live with india or pakistan or wotever else

until such day we people of pakistan will countinue our support for our brothers and sisters of kashmir

free free kashmir lets kick out accupiers
and lastly we need to get rid of this [fazl] and this [altaf] and this [zardari] to acheive our goal free kashmir

 

[najameez]

This post seems totally out of context and timing. Why should a Kahmiri Muslim wakeup one day and start posting ani-Pakistani posts on a popular Pakistani forum. It seems a paid propagandist is just doing his job. I belive if we search other popular forums we might find similar posts from different names. We should condemn any such effort and should retaliate to these black sheeps with full force.

 

[butshikan]

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[butshikan]

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[Speak for Kashmir]

i think what he write is 100% true. his language can be hard but fact can not be changed
and i am surprised at those people who are saying what is future of independent Kashmir between the super powers. they realy make me laugh because how come Srilanka, Nipal, Bhotan are surviving and why BunglaDesh????????????????
Dear, we believe super power is GOD but if you think different then lets take it that way. A few dozen taliban AP KO NAKOON CHANEY CHBWA RAHEY HAIN . you are fighting with mahajer ,with baloch and with pathan so no one kashmiri is stupid to leave their sisters on behalf of that army who's record is killing their own people. not only this we know their character what they did in Bangladesh. some one suggest him to read SHAHAB NAMA. i suggest them to read MAIN NEY DHAKA DOBTY DEKHA.
anyway AKHON DEKHA ZER KOI NAHIN KHATA WOHI KHATA HA JIS NEY KHUDKUSHI KARNI HOTI HA.
Kashmir was independent state and will be independent.

 

[danishmjn]

Our Kashmiri brother please tell me what do you think about Dogra Raj and its cruelty towards Kashmiri Muslims.
Your only few points are valid but remember we do not want a piece of land(Kashmir) but we want Kashmiri brothers
part of us.
You can freely work anywhere in Pakistan as other Pakistani citizens. There is no discrimination as you are our Muslim brothers.
Do hindu elite treat you as their brothers????

 

[Speak for Kashmir]

danishmjn brother we are talking about a independent state and kashmir is a muslim majority state 80%apx. we are not enemy of Pakistan or Pakistani people we are well wisher of Pakistan but Same like SUB SE PHELY PAKISTAN we have right to say SUB SE PHELY KASHMIR. we never forget support of Pakistani peoples but we also never forget damages and U turns made by you Leaders on Kashmir issue

 

[butshikan]

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[danishmjn]

Dear Kashmiri brothers

I am not going to blame you by saying that you are doing paid propaganda.
Pakistan was created on the idea of Muslim botherhood but Unfortunately our
elite and liberals never implemented that.
As we cant blame Islam just because Muslims are not having examplary character
similarly we cant deny the ideology of Pakistan.
Dr Allama Iqbal himself was a Kashmiri and if you remeber his poetry then you must know
that he denounced the concept of nationalism based on race,watan or language rather
he talked about Muslim nationalism
Now I only ask for all those Pakistanis and Kashmiris too do they believe in Muslim Nationalism (As per hadeeth SAW)
or talks about Kashmiri,Balochi,Mahajir nationalism. My grandparents didnt sacrifice for such concept of nationalisms...

But still I believe that if Kashmiris think that they will be more happy in independant Kashmir then they should get it...

I have many Kahsmiri friend in pakistan, they are just like normal Pakistanis, getting all benefits within Pakistani state.
Can you mention any instance when they were mistreated in Pakistan.
The whole world knows what 0.8 million Indian military is doing with innocent Kashmiri Muslims.
May ALLAH be with us. and keep us united as Muslim Nation.

 

[taul]

I Totally Agree with danish as well,,as Enough Damage has been done..Our Kashmiri Brothers and Sisters have Suffered enormous Hardships that We can not even Imgaine..

First and Foremost thing is the Uncondidtional Pull Out of 800,000 Indian Occupied Fundamental Hindu/Zionists Forces who are Terrorizing our Muslim Brothers and Sisters,We Should all Pray for this to Occur the Soonest,the better for All Muslims of the Region....

Then all Should be decided as Per the Wishes of Kashmiris,that's their Basic and Due right given by Allah(SWT).So Focus has to be on Disbeliever Forces to leave Kashmir ASAP and we being Muslims have this obligation to Pray for all Muslims around the World,Suffering......Period!!!

We're NOT into Land Grab as is Fudamental Hindu/Zionists agenda so we should all feel immense gratification by seeing them Free from Oppression and Occupation.

 

[hnuter555]

exactly my point they are our brothers and sisters muslims first then kashmiri or wotever who is PM of pakistan who made pakistan necular power [nawaz] what he is ? kashmiri who is this man rightly or worngly was our leader for 6 times [rasheed] he is kashmiri too so its unfair to say we dont treat them right and our army will do these nasty things to them is rediclious absouteley nonesense . and bangladesh propoganda is just indian lies nothing more i know we made mistakes political mistakes but i dont think they raped women and girls over there it was mukti bani cluperts who done it and then they pretend to to pak army

any ways kashmiries are more connected to pakistanis then any body else all i pray to to god is thier freedom and we support them fully what they decide about their future but allma iqbal greatest ever kashmiri ever lived said

pewesta reh shegar see
imeedee bahar rak
fard hai milit se
tenah kuch neh

meaning stick to ur umma and expect better days
unity with umma is important , separation from umma will lead u no where

so its a great lesson for kashirmire bothers so they better read allama iqbal and think hard and then decided PAK ( k stands for kashimir ) and that was iqbal dream not mine not urs so choice is urs brothers but make ur choices wisely despite our shortcommings one thing i assure u we love kashmiries blocuh brothers and all the rest

god bless kashmir god bless pakistan

 

[84471k]

Dear Kashmiri brothers

I am not going to blame you by saying that you are doing paid propaganda.
Pakistan was created on the idea of Muslim botherhood but Unfortunately our
elite and liberals never implemented that.
As we cant blame Islam just because Muslims are not having examplary character
similarly we cant deny the ideology of Pakistan.
Dr Allama Iqbal himself was a Kashmiri and if you remeber his poetry then you must know
that he denounced the concept of nationalism based on race,watan or language rather
he talked about Muslim nationalism
Now I only ask for all those Pakistanis and Kashmiris too do they believe in Muslim Nationalism (As per hadeeth SAW)
or talks about Kashmiri,Balochi,Mahajir nationalism. My grandparents didnt sacrifice for such concept of nationalisms...

But still I believe that if Kashmiris think that they will be more happy in independant Kashmir then they should get it...

I have many Kahsmiri friend in pakistan, they are just like normal Pakistanis, getting all benefits within Pakistani state.
Can you mention any instance when they were mistreated in Pakistan.
The whole world knows what 0.8 million Indian military is doing with innocent Kashmiri Muslims.
May ALLAH be with us. and keep us united as Muslim Nation.

thank u very much 4 ur views... i realy appreciate ur effort that u did 2 find out truth about JKLF & kashmir..... ur findings about JKLF r 100%..... i would b happy 2 comments about ur raised points in my next post...

 

[Speak for Kashmir]

i appreciate every bodes views every one try to explain his best but as a region we are emotional peoples and some time we think with heart just like some one write above that in world Pakistan K stand for Kashmir if it is then Bangladesh should not be with Pakistan because there is no B in word. As far as Dr. Alama Iqbal concern we proude on it he was a Kashmiri and not only he Quid Azam's Private Secretary K H Khurished was a Kashmiri and later he become President of AJK. but its no mean that some one is serving some where and only for that you finish your sovereignty. and the peoples who are saying that kashmiris are muslim and as wel as pakistanis so my brother why you did not empliment on this theroy in 1947 when there was Afghanistan and moust respect able religus place Saudi Arabia so why they make a new country on the name of Islam. should merge in some one Muslim country. DEAR our movement is for freedom of kashmiries not only for muslim kashmiries but for every kashmiri.

and Allama Iqbal Died 1938 he never use world Pakistan in his poetry but what he was thinking about Kashmir read. TORE DE US DEST-E- JAFAKASH KO YA RAB. JIS NEY ROOE AZADI KASHMIR KO PAMAL KYA. this is the message from iqbal to us for Kashmir's freedom.