insouciant
Minister (2k+ posts)
Hmm.. Interesting! Can you share the source of your employment rate and poverty line data? Last time I checked, SBP hadn't upload it! ???
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Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
You may be finance expert but I am water engineer. 40% of our electricity comes from hydropower and last year it was record drought, even up to June no rains or very little. Our hydro power dams were not running even at half capacity. This year big rainfall and heavy snow made it possible to run all hydro projects on maximum capacity. Load shedding reduced this year due high generation of hydro power not any additional generation by this government. This year so far weather is not at peak hot when demand will go to maximum then there will be about four hour load shedding not due to generation but transmission problems. Previous government made zero load shedding for industries during their last three years which brought improvement in manufacturing.
insouciant
Minister (2k+ posts)
Where is all the loan Imran Khan taking going? See below:
Thank you Nawaz Sharif for you successful economic policies which reduced our export sector from $25Billion to $20 Billion! and Increased Current account Deficit to $2.13 B! ??? So we landed in a situation where just to buy the petrol for our needs we have to take loans now!
| Jul '08 | Feb '09 | Difference | Official Source of Data | |
| A. Total Reserves | $16.9B | $14.9B | $2.0B | SBP |
| B. Total Debt | $95.1B | $101.6B | $6.5B | Q2'18 from TradingEco + $2B Loan received from UAE+Saudi in Jan/Feb. SBP updates data Qtrly. |
| C. Total Excess Money | $8.5B | A + B | ||
| D. Current Account Payments in FY19 | (-)$8.5B | SBP | ||
| E.Current Acct Deficit | (-)$2.13B | (-)$0.36B | NA | SBP |
Thank you Nawaz Sharif for you successful economic policies which reduced our export sector from $25Billion to $20 Billion! and Increased Current account Deficit to $2.13 B! ??? So we landed in a situation where just to buy the petrol for our needs we have to take loans now!
Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Please read main stream newspapers. Current foreign currency reserves are 8.0 Billions dollar. Government took 8.5 Billion dollar foreign loans. Do you deny 500 billion short fall? Do you deny 470 Billion increase in energy circulation debts. All financial experts on newspapers and talk shows are showing poor picture of Pakistan economy and you are calling it great? Aap ka kawa chita he bhahi, lage rahu munna bhahi
insouciant
Minister (2k+ posts)
How it is 200%?
I'll try to make it simple so a non-technical person can understand it without much background knowledge: Your growth is a function of four elements:
1. Investment.
2. Net Exports.
3. Government Expenditure.
4. Consumption.
Nawaz's strategy of growth was to take loans and spend them to increase Consumption + Government Expenditure. Hence you'll see Government spending doubled and Consumption increased by 1.5x. This is the easiest approach to increase growth in the short term all over the world. But in the long-term it always leads to bankdruptcy! Politicians in third world countries usually go for this strategy because they are thinking from one election to another!
Right way to increase growth is by increasing investments + Net Exports (Net Exports = Exports - Imports i.e. increase exports and reduce imports). This is the approach that dictators take usually because they are thinking long term!
This government is taking policy measures for long term growth and for which it had to take tough decisions. That's why it is said REFORMS are tough! And not every government can take tough decisions! One tough decision was to increase shortfall. (in technical terms this is called fiscal deficit). Increase your imports tomorrow, your fiscal deficit will reduce in a month instantly through customs/taxes on imported stuff! But this government wants to increase exports and reduce imports for long-term sustainable growth and hence will have to bear deficit for its first couple of years until MoUs of $45 Billion investment signed in first 9months will infuse in the economy! Export policy has a life-cycle of 2-3 years. i.e. it takes 2-3 years after policy implementation that exports shoot up! So give it another year. You'll see improvement!
I'll try to make it simple so a non-technical person can understand it without much background knowledge: Your growth is a function of four elements:
1. Investment.
2. Net Exports.
3. Government Expenditure.
4. Consumption.
Nawaz's strategy of growth was to take loans and spend them to increase Consumption + Government Expenditure. Hence you'll see Government spending doubled and Consumption increased by 1.5x. This is the easiest approach to increase growth in the short term all over the world. But in the long-term it always leads to bankdruptcy! Politicians in third world countries usually go for this strategy because they are thinking from one election to another!
Right way to increase growth is by increasing investments + Net Exports (Net Exports = Exports - Imports i.e. increase exports and reduce imports). This is the approach that dictators take usually because they are thinking long term!
This government is taking policy measures for long term growth and for which it had to take tough decisions. That's why it is said REFORMS are tough! And not every government can take tough decisions! One tough decision was to increase shortfall. (in technical terms this is called fiscal deficit). Increase your imports tomorrow, your fiscal deficit will reduce in a month instantly through customs/taxes on imported stuff! But this government wants to increase exports and reduce imports for long-term sustainable growth and hence will have to bear deficit for its first couple of years until MoUs of $45 Billion investment signed in first 9months will infuse in the economy! Export policy has a life-cycle of 2-3 years. i.e. it takes 2-3 years after policy implementation that exports shoot up! So give it another year. You'll see improvement!
insouciant
Minister (2k+ posts)
YES I'm DENYING! Because you are shameless LIAR to lie about publicly available official data!!
Energy circulation debt has REDUCED from 1.4 Trillion to 795 Billion now!
profit.pakistantoday.com.pk
Current FX reserves as off 24- May -2019 are $15.089 Billion . Official State Bank data: http://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/forex.pdf
I don't care about what Patwari Newspapers say to mislead Patwaris. I know where to get the official data for every figure and how to open it! So I Look at the Official data which is audited and reported worldwide for compliance!
Stop Lying Please! And bye! Bye! I don't waste time on Liars!
Energy circulation debt has REDUCED from 1.4 Trillion to 795 Billion now!
Pakistan’s circular debt stands at Rs795bn, PAC told
Pakistan's circular debt in the power sector has risen to Rs795 billion, Ministry of Energy & Power Division Secretary Irfan Ali told Public Accounts Committee (PAC) on Monday in the Parliament Ho
profit.pakistantoday.com.pk
Current FX reserves as off 24- May -2019 are $15.089 Billion . Official State Bank data: http://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/forex.pdf
I don't care about what Patwari Newspapers say to mislead Patwaris. I know where to get the official data for every figure and how to open it! So I Look at the Official data which is audited and reported worldwide for compliance!
Stop Lying Please! And bye! Bye! I don't waste time on Liars!
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YES I'm DENYING! Because you are shameless LIAR to lie about publicly available official data!!
Energy circulation debt has REDUCED from 1.4 Trillion to 795 Billion now!
Pakistan’s circular debt stands at Rs795bn, PAC told
Pakistan's circular debt in the power sector has risen to Rs795 billion, Ministry of Energy & Power Division Secretary Irfan Ali told Public Accounts Committee (PAC) on Monday in the Parliament Ho
Current FX reserves as off 24- May -2019 are $15.089 Billion . Official State Bank data: http://www.sbp.org.pk/ecodata/forex.pdf
I don't care about what Patwari Newspapers say to mislead Patwaris. I know where to get the official data for every figure and how to open it! So I Look at the Official data which is audited and reported worldwide for compliance!
Stop Lying Please! And bye! Bye! I don't waste time on Liars!
i do not know why you waste time on this water engineer the only engineering he has done is hold his dick and direct the flow in right direction.
insouciant
Minister (2k+ posts)
I respect the work that you do, but stop following Patwari sources if you care for truth. Our hydel energy contribution is 29% (Not 40%) Official NEPRA Data (as of 2017): https://nepra.org.pk/Publications/State of Industry Reports/State of Industry Report 2015.pdf
Again as I said, read the damn ADB report! We have a Generation Capacity of ~33,000 MW with a demand of ~25,000 MW. Even if our Hydel supply cuts short by 70%!!!! We have enough capacity to meet the demand! Electricity generation was never a bottleneck and is still not a problem! I feel sorry for you!!
Again as I said, read the damn ADB report! We have a Generation Capacity of ~33,000 MW with a demand of ~25,000 MW. Even if our Hydel supply cuts short by 70%!!!! We have enough capacity to meet the demand! Electricity generation was never a bottleneck and is still not a problem! I feel sorry for you!!
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insouciant
Minister (2k+ posts)
Good one! But as a matter of principle, I don't make fun of anyone's halal sources of employment -- No matter whatever it is!
But I do make a lot of FUN of those with Haram Sources of earnings! Like Mariam Zardari!! ? ? ? ? ? ??
But I do make a lot of FUN of those with Haram Sources of earnings! Like Mariam Zardari!! ? ? ? ? ? ??
Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Hydropower mix of 29% was true before Neelam Jehlum and Tarbella four (2400 MV). I myself calculated based on generation of 22,000 total energy. I think you are calculating furnace oil generation big time which is very expensive and no way we can afford that expensive electricity. That is why in PPP era there was big short fall of eighteen hour load shedding because we cannot afford to pay heavy to IPPs of furnace oil thermal energy generated companies. If you generate 10,000 or more thermal energy then there is no bottle neck but who can afford that who will pay to IPPs. Thanks for good discussion without abuses; typical for PTI followers.
Salman Mughal
Minister (2k+ posts)
bhaijaaan sab choro sirf bata dohh ke kaun se woh 1 Institution tha joh Nawaz Sharif ke time per Profit mei chal raha tha ya usko Profit mei chor ker gaye thay Miaaan Saaanp sahab
LoLu Jab PML-N ki govt gayee uss waqt Stock Market ki kia position thee?
LoLu Pakistan per Qarzooon aur uskay Interest ki kia position thee?
Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
سارے انسٹیٹیوٹ بھٹو کی نیشنل لا زاشن نے تباہ کئے - نواز نے آ کر بہت سے ادارے پرائیویٹ کر دے کیونکے کارخانے چلانا اور سارے بینک چلانا حکومت کا کام نہیں - اگر ایک ادارہ کہیں تو ریلوے میں بہت بہتری لائی - کاموں کی بڑی لسٹ ہے وہ آئیڈیل نہیں تھے لیکن باقیوں سے بہتر تھے -
Salman Mughal
Minister (2k+ posts)
bhaijaaan kia behtri ki? right now Govt of Pakistan ke pass 40+ Idaray hain Koi 1 Institution joh profit mei Nawaz Sharif chorr ker gaye hon? for example PIA, Railway, Pakistan Post, Wapda, Steel Mills etc etc ...
Aisa kaisay hosakta hai ke Nawaz Sharif aur Unki Aulaaddaain Billionaire ban gaye but Pakistan Billions n Billions of $ makrooozz hogaya.
Woh Shahid Khaqan Abbaasi jiski Apni Air Blue toh profit mei chal rahee hai but PIA ko Billions ka Nuqsaaaan. Kia khaaqq acha kia Miaaaan Saaanp ne.
Aasaaaan se alfaaaaz mei agar aap ko samjaon toh Miaaaan Saaanp aur Zardarrrrii ne aap ke name per 1000$ ka Qarz lia Jismei se 100$ kaam mie laga diye 100$ apnay logon mei bant diye aur Baqi ke Khaa gaye - Ab woh Paisay Aap ne aur humnay aur hamaray bachon ne Interest samaith wapas kerne hain.
so Sprite piye aur apni Aqal Larayeee.
Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
بھاہی میرے بہت سے ادارے دنیا بھر میں پرافٹ کما کر نہیں دیتے جیسے کے ڈاک کا محکمہ ، ریل کا شوھبہ ، اور بہت سے دوسرے -سٹیل مل وغیرہ حکومت کا کام نہیں یہ بک گیی تھی مگر افتحار چودری نے سٹے آرڈر دے دیا - اگر پچھلے کچھ ادارے نہیں بیچ سکے تو یہ حکومت بیچ دے - ادارے نہ حکومت کو کما کر دیں اور نہ نقصان کریں یہ بنیادی چیز ہے -ایئر بلیو بہت چھوٹی سی کمپنی ہے جس میں سرکاری ملازم نہیں - جب نون نے پی آیی اہے کو پرائیویٹ کرنے کا فیصلہ کیا تو ملازمین احتجاج کرنے لگے اور خان صاحب ان کے ساتھ مل گئے -زرداری نے حقیقتا اس ملک کا بیڑا غرق کیا مگر سب سے پڑھا لکھا اور باشعور صوبہ پنجاب اگر نون کے ساتھ ان کے جیل میں ہونے پر بھی ہے تو مان لو انہوں نے کچھ اچھے کام کئے ہونگے ورنہ عوام شریف فیملی کے مزارے نہیں - آج تحریک انصاف کا چینل بھی کہتا ہے اگر تینوں پارٹیوں (تحریک انصاف کی اب تک اور چھ سال کے پی کے میں ) کارکردگی کا جائزہ لیں تو نون پہلے نمبر پر ہے اگر کل کو تحریک انصاف ان سے بہتر کارکردگی دکھاۓ تو میں ان کے ساتھ ہونگا - میری بلا سے دونوں جہنم میں جاییں مجھے میرا وطن سب سے عزیز ہے -
Salman Mughal
Minister (2k+ posts)
bhaijaan aat behtri ki ker rahay thay aap toh Nawaz Sharif ne kia behtrrii ki? Qarzay le le kerrr Pakistan ki bandd baja di - Kia itni se baaat be samajh nahi aarahi tumhe?
Sab choroo Zardari Daaccooo tha ya toh yeh Nooorrraay Jhoottay thay?
Yeh batao ke Imran Zardari bhai bhai ya Nawaz Zardari bhai bhai?
Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
جن ملکوں کے پاس آبادی بہت ہے اور وسائل نہیں ان کی ترقی کی یہی ماڈل ہو سکتا ہے - قرض لے کر اپنی مہیشت کو اتنا اچھا دکھا دو کہ دنیا آپ کے ملک میں سرمایہ کاری کرنے لگے - اسحاق ڈار نے یہی کیا - اس دور میں ساٹھ ارب ڈالر کا سرمایہ بھی ملک میں آیا - یہ قرض کچھ بھی نہیں دنیا کے ممالک اس سے زیادہ قرض خوار تھے جیسے انڈیا لیکن جب باہر سے سرمایہ کاری آنے لگی تو ملک اپنے لئے خود کفیل ہو گیا اور قرض بھی کبھی نہ کبھی اتر جاتے ہیں - کیا انڈیا میں کسی نے سوال کیا ہم پر اتنا قرض کیوں ہے - بد قسمتی سے نواز اور اسحاق ڈار چلے گئے نئے آنے والے پہلے نون سے اور پھر تحریک انصاف اس ماڈل کو چلانے میں ناکام ہو گئے اور اس ماڈل کو فیل سمجھا گیا - اگر نواز اور اسحاق ڈار ہی ہوتے تو آپ کی چھ فیصد گروتھ ریٹ ، اسٹاک مارکیٹ اوپر ، زرمبادلہ کے بلند ذخائر دیکھ کر دنیا کے سرمایہ کار پاکستان کی طرف متوجہ ہوتے -یاد کریں وہ وقت جب ساری دنیا ہماری محیشت کی تحریف کر رہی تھی - اب ہر نالائقی آپ پچھلی حکومت پر نہیں ڈال سکتے - آج آپ کی معیشت اتنی خراب ہے کہ کوئی قرض بھی نہیں دے رہا - اسحاق ڈار کو خوشی سے قرض ملتا تھا کیونکے مہیشت کی اچھی تصویر دنیا کو پاکستان کی طرف کھینچ رہی تھی -
نواز تو اس گناہ کی سزہ بگھت رہا ہے کہ فوج کے ساتھ پنگا کیوں لیا - جب فوج نہ جائز کر کے پھنسا سکتی ہے تو نواز کو بھی زرداری کے ساتھ مل کر خود کو بچانے کا جواز ملتا ہے اخر کو محبت اور جنگ میں سب جائز ہے کون کس کا بھاہی یہ اخلاقی باتیں ہماری سیاست میں بیکار ہیں جب خان نے بھی سب چوروں کو گلے لگا لیا تو اب کوئی فرشتہ نہیں یہاں -
Salman Mughal
Minister (2k+ posts)
Bhai kissi achay se Psychiatric se jaaker apna iLaaaaj kerwa le
Awan S
Chief Minister (5k+ posts)
Aap meri baat ka jawab dein kia galat he
