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[gottiII]

First justify the issuance of NRO by MUSHI then I will answer your question as well.

My harsh response was for your first non-sense reply. So be careful before in future.

NRO was to remove politically-motivated cases that each party had made against each other. You must remember the ugly politics of the 90's?

Now, your answer.

 

[Nice2MU]

Jo Qur'an kay saaye main aaye, woh in logon ko kaisay bardaasht ho sakta hai?

Inko to sirf bivi kay jahaiz aur Bhutto ka saya hi qabool hai

قرآن سر پہ سایوں کے لیے نہیں ھوتا، اس پر عمل کرنے کے لیے ھوتا ھے اور ھمیں معلوم ھے کہ مُشی کو قرآن اور اسلام سے کتنی محبت ھے وہ ھم نے لال مسجد کو مسمعار کرکے دیکھی ھوئی ھے۔


اور ایک دفعہ مجھے یاد ھے کہ مُشی کسی یورپی ملک میں ایک پریس کانفرنس میں بڑے فخریہ انداز میں کہہ رھے تھے کہ دیکھوں میرے وفد میں کوئی بھی داڑھی والا نہیں ھے مطلب داڑھی رکھنا کوئی بہت بڑا جرم ھے۔


اور ویسے تمام دُلہینیں قرآن کے سایے میں گھر سے رُخصت ھوتی ھیں لیکن اُن میں پھر بھی بہت سو کی طلاقیں ھو جاتی ھیں۔


اور زرداری بھی ھم پر اسی مُشی کیوجہ سے ھم پر نازل ھوا ھے۔
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[gottiII]

قرآن سر پہ سایوں کے لیے نہیں ھوتا، اس پر عمل کرنے کے لیے ھوتا ھے اور ھمیں معلوم ھے کہ مُشی کو قرآن اور اسلام سے کتنی محبت ھے وہ ھم نے لال مسجد کو مسمعار کرکے دیکھی ھوئی ھے۔


اور ایک دفعہ مجھے یاد ھے کہ مُشی کسی یورپی ملک میں ایک پریس کانفرنس میں بڑے فخریہ انداز میں کہہ رھے تھے کہ دیکھوں میرے وفد میں کوئی بھی داڑھی والا نہیں ھے مطلب داڑھی رکھنا کوئی بہت بڑا جرم ھے۔


اور ویسے تمام دُلہینیں قرآن کے سایے میں گھر سے رُخصت ھوتی ھیں لیکن اُن میں پھر بھی بہت سو کی طلاقیں ھو جاتی ھیں۔


اور زرداری بھی ھم پر اسی مُشی کیوجہ سے ھم پر نازل ھوا ھے۔
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Laal masjid ka jawaab idhar:

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...gy-Hamid-Mir&p=1432589&viewfull=1#post1432589


Agar usnay kaha to main uska difa nahi kerunga kyunkay aapkay kahay huay ko sach samajh ker jawab dainay lag jaaingay to phir humain Imran Khan ko bhi Allah ka naik aur mukhlis aadmi tasavvur karna parrayga. Laikin zaatiat per utarna mera kaam nahi

Laikin sirf itna kahunga kay Usmani Khilafat ka zawaal tab hua jab ghair mulki aurton say shaadian huien aur unko Valide Sultan kay laqab say nawaza gaya.

Agar Sultan mar jaatay thay, to bachay ko guddi milti thi kyunkay awaam ki muhabbat hoti thi unkay saath (jis tarah Murtaza kay liye thi Bhutto kay baad).

Woh bachay phir apni maa kay kehnay say hakumat chalatay thay.

Yeh hi India main hua kay ittefaaq aisa kay Maa aur beta maaray gaye, laikin Italian Bahu bach gayi aur ab pooray mulk per uska raaj hai.

Kiya Sonia kay baad yahan bhi aik Sonia (ya Jemima) laana chahtay ho? Lay aao, aapka mulk hai, jo marzi keraain.

Aakhri, Zardari waali baat per behes humari alag quote main chal rahi thi. Umeed hai woh behes wahan jaari rakhaingay taakay do ya teen quotes ker kay guftugu na kerni parray

 

[Nice2MU]

NRO was to remove politically-motivated cases that each party had made against each other. You must remember the ugly politics of the 90's?

Now, your answer.

It was completely wrong. In NRO in real criminals have been allowed to contest elections.

In that case they could only remove politically cases not the Swiss court cases and corruption cases against Zardari and Co. and other corrupt people.

And if Swiss case were politically motivated then why Mushi govt. had spend millions of Rs. to pursue the cases in Swiss courts?

I think you don't know the ABC about NRO even.

 

[Nice2MU]

Laal masjid ka jawaab idhar:

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...gy-Hamid-Mir&p=1432589&viewfull=1#post1432589


Agar usnay kaha to main uska difa nahi kerunga kyunkay aapkay kahay huay ko sach samajh ker jawab dainay lag jaaingay to phir humain Imran Khan ko bhi Allah ka naik aur mukhlis aadmi tasavvur karna parrayga. Laikin zaatiat per utarna mera kaam nahi

Laikin sirf itna kahunga kay Usmani Khilafat ka zawaal tab hua jab ghair mulki aurton say shaadian huien aur unko Valide Sultan kay laqab say nawaza gaya.

Agar Sultan mar jaatay thay, to bachay ko guddi milti thi kyunkay awaam ki muhabbat hoti thi unkay saath (jis tarah Murtaza kay liye thi Bhutto kay baad).

Woh bachay phir apni maa kay kehnay say hakumat chalatay thay.

Yeh hi India main hua kay ittefaaq aisa kay Maa aur beta maaray gaye, laikin Italian Bahu bach gayi aur ab pooray mulk per uska raaj hai.

Kiya Sonia kay baad yahan bhi aik Sonia (ya Jemima) laana chahtay ho? Lay aao, aapka mulk hai, jo marzi keraain.

Aakhri, Zardari waali baat per behes humari alag quote main chal rahi thi. Umeed hai woh behes wahan jaari rakhaingay taakay do ya teen quotes ker kay guftugu na kerni parray

Is there any logic in your post? Man be focus and concise.

 

[gottiII]

Is there any logic in your post? Man be focus and concise.

You were replied to, point by point. This response comes from those who cannot respond and choose not to be concise in the first place, going all over the place, from a Masjid to a man's choice in facial hair to a Zardari government (who was not controlled or dictated by Musharraf).

It was completely wrong. In NRO in real criminals have been allowed to contest elections.

Why didn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

In that case they could only remove politically cases not the Swiss court cases and corruption cases against Zardari and Co. and other corrupt people.

Why didn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

Swiss government turned it down.

And if Swiss case were politically motivated then why Mushi govt. had spend millions of Rs. to pursue the cases in Swiss courts?

Why didn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

Swiss government turned it down.

I think you don't know the ABC about NRO even.

Why doesn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

 

[Nice2MU]

You were replied to, point by point. This response comes from those who cannot respond and choose not to be concise in the first place, going all over the place, from a Masjid to a man's choice in facial hair to a Zardari government (who was not controlled or dictated by Musharraf).



Why didn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?



Why didn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

Swiss government turned it down.



Why didn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

Swiss government turned it down.



Why doesn't the "independent" judiciary do anything about it?

I think you don't know the NRO's history in courts. SC has already turned down NRO but Mushi had already provided the opportunity to Zardari so reach on Presidential House. Now we have to wait for the finishing his term in Sep 2013.

Really discussing with is just waste of time because you know nothing. It looks that you were sleeping for the last 10 years and just woke up to discuss things with me.

 

[gottiII]

I think you don't know the NRO's history in courts. SC has already turned down NRO but Mushi had already provided the opportunity to Zardari so reach on Presidential House. Now we have to wait for the finishing his term in Sep 2013.

Zardari was the only one in this so-called "immunity". Why weren't the others arrested?

There were many more people. Zardari was not the only beneficiary. Why weren't the other beneficiaries jailed?

Even if he leaves by the end of this year, you will not see anything happen.

The fact is that Musharraf kicked both of them out for about 10 years until you came out in the streets cheering for their return.

You never answered my questions (not that you could).

Is this system a democracy, yes or no?

If not, then, why take part in elections if a system is, by itself, not capable of producing any legal or legitimate results.

Also, you were unable to (like everything else) refute that the NRO was what I claimed it was and not what you understand it to mean.

Lastly, did Musharraf tell Zardari and his partners to rule in the corrupt fashion, that they did?

Really discussing with is just waste of time because you know nothing. It looks that you were sleeping for the last 10 years and just woke up to discuss things with me.

I understand your frustration and admit that you are far below a standard required to be in a logical debate.

Also, in your finite and depletable wisdom, are you discounting international pressure in passing the NRO?

Your answers (or the lack thereof) are impatiently being waited for, by the entire Pakistani awam.

 

[Xiggs]

Here is the NOTHING he did.

1. Nine world class engineering universities were developed and 18 public universities further developed.
2. Pakistan was ranked third in world banking profitability.
3. The IT industry was valued at around $2 billion, including $1 billion in exports and employed around 90,000 professionals.
4. The CNG sector attracted over $70 billion in investment in the past five years and created 45,000 jobs.
5. The telecommunications sector attracted around $10 billion in investments and created over 1.3 million jobs.

6. Industrial parks were set up throughout the country for the first time.
7. Mega projects such as the Saindak, Rekodiq, marble production, coal production, mining and quarrying were pursued.
8. Foreign reserves increased from $700 million to $17 billion.
9. The Karachi stock market went from 700 points to 15,000 points.

10. The literacy rate improved by 11 per cent.

11. Poverty decreased by 10 per cent.

12. Four dams were built: Mirani, Subakzai, Gomalzam, Khurram, and Tangi,

13. Seven motorways were completed or were under construction,

14. Gwadar, an advanced sea port, was developed,
15. 650 kilometres of coastal highways were constructed.
16. A historic 100% increase in tax collection (amounting to Rs1 trillion) was observed.
17. Large scale manufacturing was at a 30-year high, and construction at a 17-year high.
18. Copper and gold deposits were found in Chagai, worth about $600 million annually if sold.
19. A new oil refinery with the UAE that could process 300,000 oil barrels a day was established.
20. The industrial sector registered 26 per cent growth.
21. The economy was the third fastest growing economy after China and India .
22. The Institute of Space Technology was established.

23. Sardar Bahadur Khan Women University Quetta was established.

24. The University of Science and Technology, Bannu, was established.
25. The University of Hazara was founded.
26. The Malakand University in Chakdara was established.
27. The University of Gujrat was established
28. The Virtual University of Pakistan was established

29. Sarhad University of IT in Peshawar was established

30. The National Law University in Islamabad was established
31. The Media University in Islamabad was established
32. University of Education in Lahore was established
33. Lasbela University of Marine Sciences, Baluchistan, was established
34. Baluchistan University of IT & Management, Quetta (2002)
35. The Pakistan economy was worth $ 160 billion in 2007
36. GDP Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) was $ 475.5 billion in 2007
37. The GDP per Capita in 2007 was $ 1000
38. Revenue collection in 2007/08 was Rs1.002 billion
39. Exports in 2007were worth $18.5 billion
40. Textile exports in 2007 were worth $11.2 billion
41. Foreign direct investment in 2007 was $8.5 billion
42. Debt servicing in 2007 was 26 per cent of the GDP
43. The poverty level in 2007 was 24 per cent
44. The literacy rate in 2007 was 53 per cent
45. Pakistan development programs in 2007 were valued at Rs520 billion
46. The Karachi stock exchange in 2007 was $70 billion at 15,000 points
47. Exports in 2007: $18.5 billion
48. Pakistan now has a total of 245,682 educational institutions in all categories, including 164,579 in the public sector and 81,103 in the private sector, according to the National Education Census (NEC-2005).
49. There are now more than 5,000 Pakistanis doing PhDs in foreign countries on scholarship. 300 Pakistanis receive PhD degrees every year, in 1999, the number was just 20.
50. In total, 99,319 educational institutions increased in Musharraf’s era!

YEH KUCH BHI NAHI....YEH KUCH NA KERTA, SIRF AAFIA KO WPIS LE AATA...SARAY MULLAH USKO AMEER-UL-MOMINEEN KA KHITAB DE DETE.

yeh sab kuch na kerta...sirf Lal Masjid ki shariat poore mulk mai nafiz kerke khud Ameer-ul-Momineen ban jata.

Yeh sab kuch na kerta...sirf mullaon ko khush kerne ke liye dadhi rakh leta...aur President ke bajaye Ameer-ul-Momineen ban jata.

who cares if he did all that...who cares that public was happy under his reign...who cares if standard of living improved in his era....who cares if his reign was the best ever in the history of Pakistan.....WE DONT CARE...WE ONLY CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY...SEE HOW AMAZING OUR COUNTRY HAS BECOME UNDER 5 CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF DEMOCRACY!!

Everyday when CNN/BBC/MSM have atleast two headlines related to pakistan overwhelms me with pride....Who cares if those headlines are always negative. democracy has done wonders for the general public...roti, kapra, makan aur bijli...aur kia chahiye iss bhooki nangi bai'sahara andhere mai bhatakti awam ko. DEMOCRACY...ANOTHER 50 YEARS OF DEMOCRACY!!! YAAAYY!! :P

 

[Xiggs]

Exactly Musharraf has mentioned at so many places that NRO was his biggest blunder/mistake but blind and deaf cant see and listen like u said...

he has categorically said that NRO, CJP Sacking, Emergency were mistakes he made and he apologized for those. As for Lal masjid operation, he believes the step he took were in the best interest of the country and if a similar situation arises yet again while he is in power. he would take similar actions to curb it.

but...people are blind, deaf...but LOUDMOUTH : P

 

[gottiII]

he has categorically said that NRO, CJP Sacking, Emergency were mistakes he made and he apologized for those. As for Lal masjid operation, he believes the step he took were in the best interest of the country and if a similar situation arises yet again while he is in power. he would take similar actions to curb it.

but...people are blind, deaf...but LOUDMOUTH : P

This information on Hamid Khinzeer might be of some use to you whilst understanding the circumstances that caused the operation.

http://www.siasat.pk/forum/showthre...gy-Hamid-Mir&p=1432589&viewfull=1#post1432589

 

[Nice2MU]

Zardari was the only one in this so-called "immunity". Why weren't the others arrested?

There were many more people. Zardari was not the only beneficiary. Why weren't the other beneficiaries jailed?

Even if he leaves by the end of this year, you will not see anything happen.

The fact is that Musharraf kicked both of them out for about 10 years until you came out in the streets cheering for their return.

You never answered my questions (not that you could).

Is this system a democracy, yes or no?

If not, then, why take part in elections if a system is, by itself, not capable of producing any legal or legitimate results.

Also, you were unable to (like everything else) refute that the NRO was what I claimed it was and not what you understand it to mean.

Lastly, did Musharraf tell Zardari and his partners to rule in the corrupt fashion, that they did?

All your questions reminded me that a stupid will ask so many questions in one minutes that a person would take years to respond.

I don't think you have the ability to judge severity of NRO because Zardari did so much looting and corruption that it broke all the records of the past.

For the 65 years there were around 5,500 billions Rs. loan but in just last 5 years it rose to more than 14,000 billions and this is due to NRO. But people like you can't measure this lost. So be happy with Mushi because he is no more in Pakistani politics but it would be better if he would not meet with Saudi's King before his arrival to Pakistan.

I understand your frustration and admit that you are far below a standard required to be in a logical debate.

Also, in your finite and depletable wisdom, are you discounting international pressure in passing the NRO?

Your answers (or the lack thereof) are impatiently being waited for, by the entire Pakistani awam.

I am not frustrated man but doing discussing with an ignorant person is really hurting.

International Pressure always come on every Leader but easing or rejecting the pressure is the test of a Leader in which Mushi got completely fail. And the same pressure come on other country leaders but they resist and took out of the pressure and now people see them with respect. And what is the difference between the Pakistan in 1999 and 2013?

And what if Mushi would resist Pressure? I think Pakistan would be in far better position than now.

For me Mushi Zero Sum for me in Pakistani politics. He just wasting his time and people like you just wasting our time.

 

[gottiII]

I don't think you have the ability to judge severity of NRO because Zardari did so much looting and corruption that it broke all the records of the past. .

Is it Musharraf's fault that Zardari did it? Did Musharraf tell him or dictate him to do this?

Just answer this much and we'll carry on.

Till then, the entire premise of the arguments that you make are pointless, which would mean your arguments are pointless, too (and do not require any attention by any sane individual).

 

[Nice2MU]

Is it Musharraf's fault that Zardari did it? Did Musharraf tell him or dictate him to do this?

Just answer this much and we'll carry on.

Till then, the entire premise of the arguments that you make are pointless, which would mean your arguments are pointless, too (and do not require any attention by any sane individual).

O man every kid of Pakistan knew that Zardari has been a criminal but your naive Mushi and you didn't know.

Addition to that Why Mushi Waive off the Sins of Zardari. This is the question. Who the hell was Mushi that he waived off the money of the nation?

Ya my arguments are pointless for Naive and ignorant people. Yes you were right. (clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

 

[MYCOUNTRY]

وطن کی محبت میں نہیں بلکہ جو کچھ اس نے حرام کا کمایا ، جائداد بنائی ہے اس کو سنبھالنے آیا ہے ،،،،،،،،،، بزدل یہ کل بھی تھا اور آج بھی ہے ،، امریکا /سعودیہ کی ضمانت ہی سے پاکستان آیا ہے کہ آپ خود دیکھ لیں کہ نواز شریف اور زرداری بلکل خاموش ہیں کچھ بھی نہیں کہ رہے ،،،،،،،،،،کیا یہ اس بات کی گواہی نہیں کہ ان سب کا ماسٹر بیرون ملک ہیں ،،،،،،،،،،،
سیاست کرنے کے لیے اس کو عوام میں جانا ہوگا ،، اور یہ کام اتنا آسان نہیں ہے ،،،پاکستان آنا اسکا حق ہے ، مگر موت بھی تو برحق ہے .کیا یہ موت کے لیے تیار ہے ، فوج اور امریکا کب تک اس کو بچایے گی ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟'
تیرا کیا ہوگا کالیا ------------------یہ سوال پوچھنا چاہئیے آپ کو ........
باقی جو جائداد اس نے بنائی ہے کیا کوئی ، جنرل / صدر اپنی حلال کی کمائی سے وہ بنا سکتا ہے ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟'

 

[gottiII]

O man every kid of Pakistan knew that Zardari has been a criminal but your naive Mushi and you didn't know.

Addition to that Why Mushi Waive off the Sins of Zardari. This is the question. Who the hell was Mushi that he waived off the money of the nation?

Establishment liked Zardari because he said "Pakistan Khappay" when Sindhis were saying we will separate.

Ya my arguments are pointless for Naive and ignorant people. Yes you were right. (clap)(clap)(clap)(clap)

At least we find some place where we can agree.

 

[Nice2MU]

Establishment liked Zardari because he said "Pakistan Khappay" when Sindhis were saying we will separate.

At least we find some place where we can agree.

Wahi Murghi Ki Aik Taang............. All this bullshi.t came after NRO. Accept it as a Blunder of Mushi because he had already accepted it as a Blunder.

 

[gottiII]

Wahi Murghi Ki Aik Taang............. A this bullshi.t come after NRO. Accept it as a Blunder of Mushi because he had already accepted.

I am not Musharraf or have to live by what he says or does. I am an individual with individual ways of analyzing politics.

NRO was not a mistake given the international pressure, vindictive politics of Pakistan that created those cases.

Zardari's corruption was not something Musharraf did or intentionally cause and neither was CJP not taking any action have anything to do with him.

CJP did not take any action because of his own personal affection for the Sharif Brothers (who were also allowed to roam scot-free after the ordinance was passed).

 

[FaisalKh]

he has categorically said that NRO, CJP Sacking, Emergency were mistakes he made and he apologized for those. As for Lal masjid operation, he believes the step he took were in the best interest of the country and if a similar situation arises yet again while he is in power. he would take similar actions to curb it.

but...people are blind, deaf...but LOUDMOUTH : P

Bhai whatever he did to Lal Masjid forget about it. Nobody knows the truth becoz everybody says from both party that they are innocent. Let Allah decide about Lal Masjid and remember He is the best judge. As far as NRO is concerned which is the main topic for me, he did it solely to remain in power hoping that those whom he was favoring and majority knows on whose behest might spare him and let him enjoy presidency but alas he was forced to flee the country.

 

[3rd_Umpire]

مشرف لاکھ برا سہی لیکن بطور ایڈمنسٹریٹر ھمارے سیاستدانوں سے ایک کروڑ درجے بہتر تھا