مسلم ممالک میں وژنری قیادت کی کمی

[Siberite]

Imran Khan’s popularity was undeniable well before 2018. Since 2011, his massive jalsas, youth support, and clean image built genuine public momentum. The math was clear PTI had the people, but the establishment always manipulated elections to convert PTI’s majority into a weak coalition. Even in 2018, Bajwa didn’t “install” IK he just didn’t block him like others before. The rigging still happened, but Khan was allowed to form a fragile government.

Look, how you measure the strength of your popularity without the election. Why IK needed to bring the electable into his party when he didn't need it, continue to refuse it over the last many years?

Yes, some turncoats joined but every party in Pakistan has taken such people. When the entire system is run by the establishment, political survival becomes about choosing the lesser evil. And in that environment, IK still stood out: no offshore billions, no corruption charges proven, and at least a clear narrative of independence and accountability.

Ok, what did cause the demise of his government? Were not these " few" turncoats who were brought in by Khakis and introduced them into his party well before the elections? Have you forgotten the private planes flight of Jhangir Treen? You tend to think everyone is born yesterday, don't you?

We live in a world of global spying, intelligence ops, and economic warfare. Pakistan, being the only Muslim nuclear power, is always under pressure. Our real enemies work through traitors, media, and institutions. That’s why corrupt leaders, whose wealth is stashed abroad, can never truly act independently their hands are tied.

One thing is to keep yapping about traitors and the other thing is to include with them and being ignorant enough to know that you were used. I am dead against the dictatorship. Lots of corrupt system generated politicians in Pakistan ,i.e Sh Rashid and others were also claimed to be against the dictatorship and think they are democratic. Yet, their past tells the different story. The Khurshid Qureshi, Baber Awan and others who are known in PTI are all beneficiaries of this system. One oath to be a downright stupid to expect them to change the system. You still think IK is a leader and visionary?

Imran Khan isn’t perfect, but he’s a better option in a corrupt field. Pakistan needs honesty and strategy, yes but without integrity, no real sovereignty is possible.

Not perfect is not a big issue. Having no political skill and not able to maneuver his way out of a crisis and sit down with even his worst enemies is a skill, IK lacking.

You may not support any party and that’s fair but ignoring the bigger geopolitical reality is dangerous. This isn’t obsession with one man it’s just recognizing the cleaner choice in a polluted system.

I don't support someone blindly. Most of the people here on this forum think that I support NS and family. And I just laugh at that. The problem with the people and the crowd is that they admire their perceived leadership so much that they start to almost worship them. Can't tolerate the criticism of any kind. 80% of the time I fool around on this forum and sometimes, I admit have a very good laugh at bugging PTI supporters. And I think it is kind of entertainment till it gets really nasty and some of the members start using foul and offensive language. I think that is a pert and the parcel of being here on this forum since there are not moderators as it used to be.

 

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Look, how you measure the strength of your popularity without the election. Why IK needed to bring the electable into his party when he didn't need it, continue to refuse it over the last many years?


Ok, what did cause the demise of his government? Were not these " few" turncoats who were brought in by Khakis and introduced them into his party well before the elections? Have you forgotten the private planes flight of Jhangir Treen? You tend to think everyone is born yesterday, don't you?


One thing is to keep yapping about traitors and the other thing is to include with them and being ignorant enough to know that you were used. I am dead against the dictatorship. Lots of corrupt system generated politicians in Pakistan ,i.e Sh Rashid and others were also claimed to be against the dictatorship and think they are democratic. Yet, their past tells the different story. The Khurshid Qureshi, Baber Awan and others who are known in PTI are all beneficiaries of this system. One oath to be a downright stupid to expect them to change the system. You still think IK is a leader and visionary?

Not perfect is not a big issue. Having no political skill and not able to maneuver his way out of a crisis and sit down with even his worst enemies is a skill, IK lacking.

I don't support someone blindly. Most of the people here on this forum think that I support NS and family. And I just laugh at that. The problem with the people and the crowd is that they admire their perceived leadership so much that they start to almost worship them. Can't tolerate the criticism of any kind. 80% of the time I fool around on this forum and sometimes, I admit have a very good laugh at bugging PTI supporters. And I think it is kind of entertainment till it gets really nasty and some of the members start using foul and offensive language. I think that is a pert and the parcel of being here on this forum since there are not moderators as it used to be.

You’ve raised some valid concerns, and I respect your perspective. But if you truly want to understand the difference between Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif, I’d encourage you to dig a bit deeper into their track records and the role the establishment has consistently played in shaping Pakistan’s political landscape.

Let’s not forget it’s not always about who a leader brings in, but often who the gatekeepers allow through. The reality is, the establishment has long influenced who gets political space, and whatever was permitted to reach IK, he had to work with despite many blocks and restrictions. We’ve simply asked the establishment to stay out of politics, but unfortunately, interference continues. That, in itself, explains a lot

 

[Siberite]

You’ve raised some valid concerns, and I respect your perspective. But if you truly want to understand the difference between Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif, I’d encourage you to dig a bit deeper into their track records and the role the establishment has consistently played in shaping Pakistan’s political landscape.

Let’s not forget it’s not always about who a leader brings in, but often who the gatekeepers allow through. The reality is, the establishment has long influenced who gets political space, and whatever was permitted to reach IK, he had to work with despite many blocks and restrictions. We’ve simply asked the establishment to stay out of politics, but unfortunately, interference continues. That, in itself, explains a lot

It is interesting that you still compare IK with NS family. My take is that why go low, why can't we show that IK has done better than NS as far as the licking and buttering is concerned. One thing we oath to understand, when you come through the back door, rightly or wrongly, for the sake of good or otherwise, you won't be able to deliver your agenda, and it will be desired to be fulfil.

I will leave it up to you to ponder. The army is a necessary evil, if you like to call it, for the time being. Pakistan needs it because it is surrounded by allegators who are ready to swallow you. If someone really likes to improve the democracy, human rights etc. etc. in Pakistan, he or she/ will have to have a plan, good plan with a good and honest team. On top of that it requires, patience, tolerance, resolve and vision. With the people like Buzdar, Gunda Pori, all you doing is playing on your adversary's field.