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[Citizen X]

You may not agree that is your choice and yes, i tried to uphold salah sessions whenever I got the time by reading and researching the Quran.
As i have said before, namaz or salat Muslims perform is not in the Quran.
If the Quran is complete and detailed Then why do we need an outside source to deviate from the only perfect and pristine book of Allah.
I have never stopped my family members from performing namaz. I just put forward what i understand is right may not be right to others.
Keep praying, i still believe that it is an empty ritual where you mix up the Quran with man made stuff. Neither you or society will benefit from it.
Tske care.

Thats not my point, my point here is you cannot reconcile the verses with the salah session definition provided. You cannot fit a square block in a round hole.

My point is also not hadith, till date no one has been able to show me how to pray salah from hadith or find anyone they know from a new muslim convert who just converted 5 seconds ago to even their oldest relative who learned how to pray by reading the hadith.

This is the sunnah of the prophet, just like you ( at one time you must have ) learned how to perform salah from your parents, they from theirs, and they from theirs so on and so forth going all the way back to the time of the Prophet s.a.w. The Sunnah is the living tradition passed on from generation to generation. Which can be easily supported by the fact regardless of how divided the Muslims are today in their own sects and even a few deviant ones. All of the them pray the same way, same number of prayers, same number of rakahs. A shia does not pray 4 rakahs of Fajr while a sunni prays 5. Minor differences are there but the overall practice is the same, so there has to be one root for it all.

If everybody was praying totally different to each other, some laying flat on the ground, some standing on their head some haveing 7 rakahs some have 2 etc etc , then it could easily be dismissed as innovation.

And besides even your salah session video says its glorification of Allah in what every way you chose. And what better way than the ritual way of performing salah, prostrated before your lord in complete submission, rather than the chirstian way of going to church reading a few verses of the bible, a sermon followed by some song and dance. Thats a salah session if there ever was one, only they do it once a week, you need to do it multiple times a day.

 

[Citizen X]

I asked you this question because you in denial of Sunnah. Now u keep asking me my question.
Just go and research. Simply u in denial.
Dont act like a headless chicken.
Qadiani acts like you, they keep argue on the same question asked to them.

Why are you so triggered man? Relax hombre. Let me ask you a question. What is your definition of Sunnah

 

[Truthstands]

May be you nees to hold yourself to be triggered.

Sunnah is to act the true teaching of Prophet Muhammad, each and every action words dua spirituality.
I think you ahould read Salah Chapter, then you would know that we dont follow our parents.we only Follow Quran and Sunnah.
Dont be so stubborn or thick head, just think calmly and then understand.
This is the problem when peoples dont want a teacher in religion but worldly skills they are happy to graduate from school/uni and learn things from teacher.

Why are you so triggered man? Relax hombre. Let me ask you a question. What is your definition of Sunnah

A

 

[There is only 1]

What happened? Can't find one?

I already know but you seems not to digest the truth.
?

 

[There is only 1]

Why are you feeling shy? Say it no, its your 12 prophets Oops I meant Imams, one of which has been hiding for some reason for god knows how many centuries now.

سنو بد زبان ماریہ
تمہارے جسم پر کوئی تھوکتا بھی نہیں ، اور تمہاری رائے پر بھی ​

 

[sangeen]

یہ بات درست ہے کہ اسلامک متھالوجی کے اعتبار سے جہنمیوں میں بھی خدا کے لافانی ہونی کی صفت پائی جائے گی، مگر وہ اپنی خواہش کی تکمیل پر قادر نہ ہوں گے، جبکہ اسلامک متھالوجی کے مطابق جنتی جب چاہیں گے جو چاہیں گے کھا پی سکیں گی، چاہیں تو دودھ کی نہر میں ڈبکیاں لگائیں، چاہیں تو شہد کی نہر میں غوطے کھائیں اور چاہیں تو سارا دن اپنی بہتر حوروں کے طبیلے میں گھس کر کسی نہ کسی حور کے ساتھ لگے رہیں۔یعنی اپنی من مرضی کی زندگی۔ مزید برآں جیسا کہ انجینئر نے کہا کہ نہ تو جنتی کو کوئی بیماری آئے گی، نہ اسے کوئی تکلیف ہوگی، نہ کوئی پریشانی لاحق ہوگی۔ ۔۔ تو ایک طرح سے یہ جنتی منی خدا یا چھوٹا اللہ میاں ہی ہوگیا۔۔ ​

Ap ka Islami aqaaid ko lekar TANZ karna saaf nazar araha hae.....

 

[Wake up Pak]

I already know but you seems not to digest the truth.
?

Funny guy you have no clue as i know your background.

 

[arafay]

mirza sahab ne is bar kuch ziyda engineering krdi ha.

 

[There is only 1]

Funny guy you have no clue as i know your background.

Today, I debunked your claim of "Quran Alone".
In future, you will always get reply like, "if Quran alone is sufficient, explain a few aayas".
. . . . .
I also know your background very well. You are a Mavia lover. Aren't you?

 

[omkhan]

یہ بات درست ہے کہ اسلامک متھالوجی کے اعتبار سے جہنمیوں میں بھی خدا کے لافانی ہونی کی صفت پائی جائے گی، مگر وہ اپنی خواہش کی تکمیل پر قادر نہ ہوں گے، جبکہ اسلامک متھالوجی کے مطابق جنتی جب چاہیں گے جو چاہیں گے کھا پی سکیں گی، چاہیں تو دودھ کی نہر میں ڈبکیاں لگائیں، چاہیں تو شہد کی نہر میں غوطے کھائیں اور چاہیں تو سارا دن اپنی بہتر حوروں کے طبیلے میں گھس کر کسی نہ کسی حور کے ساتھ لگے رہیں۔یعنی اپنی من مرضی کی زندگی۔ مزید برآں جیسا کہ انجینئر نے کہا کہ نہ تو جنتی کو کوئی بیماری آئے گی، نہ اسے کوئی تکلیف ہوگی، نہ کوئی پریشانی لاحق ہوگی۔ ۔۔ تو ایک طرح سے یہ جنتی منی خدا یا چھوٹا اللہ میاں ہی ہوگیا۔۔ ​

Mythology may not be the correct term here. There could be Greek mythology but not Islamic mythology.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Today, I debunked your claim of "Quran Alone".
In future, you will always get reply like, "if Quran alone is sufficient, explain a few aayas".
. . . . .
I also know your background very well. You are a Mavia lover. Aren't you?

Funny kid, Don't go in circles answer the question. Who is the authority on the Quran you follow.

 

[Citizen X]

May be you nees to hold yourself to be triggered.

Sunnah is to act the true teaching of Prophet Muhammad, each and every action words dua spirituality.
I think you ahould read Salah Chapter, then you would know that we dont follow our parents.we only Follow Quran and Sunnah.
Dont be so stubborn or thick head, just think calmly and then understand.
This is the problem when peoples dont want a teacher in religion but worldly skills they are happy to graduate from school/uni and learn things from teacher.



A

Still triggered I see. I just asked you a simple question man.

 

[There is only 1]

Funny kid, Don't go in circles answer the question. Who is the authority on the Quran you follow.

I only needed to debunk your false claim.
And you said earlier that you know my background.
So go ahead, debunk my belief in front of forum if you can.
You need not qoute me again on this topic.

 

[Wake up Pak]

Thats not my point, my point here is you cannot reconcile the verses with the salah session definition provided. You cannot fit a square block in a round hole.

My point is also not hadith, till date no one has been able to show me how to pray salah from hadith or find anyone they know from a new muslim convert who just converted 5 seconds ago to even their oldest relative who learned how to pray by reading the hadith.

This is the sunnah of the prophet, just like you ( at one time you must have ) learned how to perform salah from your parents, they from theirs, and they from theirs so on and so forth going all the way back to the time of the Prophet s.a.w. The Sunnah is the living tradition passed on from generation to generation. Which can be easily supported by the fact regardless of how divided the Muslims are today in their own sects and even a few deviant ones. All of the them pray the same way, same number of prayers, same number of rakahs. A shia does not pray 4 rakahs of Fajr while a sunni prays 5. Minor differences are there but the overall practice is the same, so there has to be one root for it all.

If everybody was praying totally different to each other, some laying flat on the ground, some standing on their head some haveing 7 rakahs some have 2 etc etc , then it could easily be dismissed as innovation.

And besides even your salah session video says its glorification of Allah in what every way you chose. And what better way than the ritual way of performing salah, prostrated before your lord in complete submission, rather than the chirstian way of going to church reading a few verses of the bible, a sermon followed by some song and dance. Thats a salah session if there ever was one, only they do it once a week, you need to do it multiple times a day.

Not stopping you or anyone to perform the namaz as it may give you the comfort or piece of mind.
My question will remain the same if the Quran is complete then why would Hazrat Mohammad innovate anything outside of it?
Why mixing the Quran with man made stuff?
Quran is the guidance for humanity not to be read back to Allah.
As per your understanding the Prophet's sunnah is to perform namaz and its been happening ever since. Which i disagree as it was brought into Islam by muhaddeseen some the 200 plus years after the demise of Hazrat Mohammad.
What have Muslims achieved by praying 5 times per day? Nothing!
As per survey only 11% of the Muslims pray 5 times a day but they will defend it like it is matter of life and death.
Majority of Muslims don't even know what they are reading in the namaz and thst includes arab as well. Just parroting what was instilled by thier parents and mullahs.
Once again keep performing namaz if it gives you comfort and satisfaction.
That is what my family is doing.

 

[Citizen X]

Today, I debunked your claim of "Quran Alone".
In future, you will always get reply like, "if Quran alone is sufficient, explain a few aayas".
. . . . .
I also know your background very well. You are a Mavia lover. Aren't you?

All you people have are labels, you are a mavia lover, nasibi, etc etc but you have no logical arguments to back up your twisted beliefs. Your current authority on the Quran there is no proof he was even born so you people sent him into hiding and its been centuries and he is still hiding there! If this is not laughable then I don't know what is. Please click laugh/like to confirm you agree with me

 

[Majid Sheikh]

Mythology may not be the correct term here. There could be Greek mythology but not Islamic mythology.

افسانوی اور دیو مالائی داستانوں کیلئے متھالوجی کا لفظ ہی استعمال کیا جاتا ہے۔۔​

 

[Citizen X]

Which i disagree as it was brought into Islam by muhaddeseen some the 200 plus years after the demise of Hazrat Mohammad.

No it wasn't you can read about them in Imam Malik's writting. Whose grandfather was a companion of the Prophet and he himself was a Tabatabieen he was born with in a generation of the Prophets passing. And all of this is mentioned there.

Why mixing the Quran with man made stuff?

Similarly how can we say the Quran is not mixed up also? Infact some shia even claim this.


The point is something that has been so mass transmitted by so many individuals it cannot be denied. Just like lets say you've never been to Russia, but you've learn't about Russia, you heard from people who have been there, you've seen documentaries about it etc etc. So you know there is a country called Russia that exists although you yourself have never seen it but you cannot deny Russia exist. Or something along those lines.

Anyways from your POV, this is just a more organized form of "Salah Sessions".

 

[Wake up Pak]

No it wasn't you can read about them in Imam Malik's writting. Whose grandfather was a companion of the Prophet and he himself was a Tabatabieen he was born with in a generation of the Prophets passing. And all of this is mentioned there.


Similarly how can we say the Quran is not mixed up also? Infact some shia even claim this.


The point is something that has been so mass transmitted by so many individuals it cannot be denied. Just like lets say you've never been to Russia, but you've learn't about Russia, you heard from people who have been there, you've seen documentaries about it etc etc. So you know there is a country called Russia that exists although you yourself have never seen it but you cannot deny Russia exist. Or something along those lines.

Anyways from your POV, this is just a more organized form of "Salah Sessions".

Salat during the time of the Prophet

The prophetic salat sessions In its most occurrences in the Quran, the word SALAT means connection or COMMUNICATION1 – and, more specifically, communication with the message/messenger/guidance. A …

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[Mughal1]

kisi bhi malumaati asal se inkaar karna insaan ki apne anjaan pan ki nishaani hai. lihaaza khud ko is qaabil karo keh is haqeeqat tak pohnch sako.

albataa koi malumaati asal drust hai ya ghalat is per behs ho sakti hai aur honi bhi chahiye. behs baraaye behs nahin balkeh aik doosre se seekhne ke liye keh koi malumaati asal kyun drust ya ghalat hai kisi baare main.

is baat main shak ki gunjaaish bilkul hi nahin hai keh islam sirf aur sirf deen hai aur is ki asal sirf aur sirf quraan hai.

baaqi sab ki sab kitaaben logoon ki apni likhi hui hen aur un main drust aur ghalat dono tarah ki malumaat mojood hen.

deene islam main kutbe ahadees ka aik bahot hi bunyaadi role hai. magar is role ko theek tarah se samajhne ki zarooorat hai.

yaad rakhen quraan laazmi malumaat aur guidelines ki aik mukammal kitaab hai. quraan ki baatun se logoon ne apne apne adwaar main nasal dar nasal kia samjha, ye baat ham ko sirf aur sirf un adwaar ki tawaareekh ki kutab hi bataa sakti hen. yahee hai hadees ki kutab ki asal ehmiyat aur zaroorat.

hadees ki kutab ham ko ye bataa sakti hen keh khudaa ke baa barkat aakhari paighamber ne khudaa ki hidayaat ke mutaabiq kia dastoor banaaya aur us ke liye kia kia qawaneen banaaye. is ke ilaawa aur bhi bahot si baatun ko ham ko in kutab se pata chal sakta hai agar ham khud ko in kitaabun ko theek tarah se samajh ker istemaal kerne ke qaabil ker saken.

quraan insaani taareekh ko bahot hi ziyaada ehmiyat deta hai. agar her insaan ki her baat hi ghalat hoti to phir quraan aisa kyun karta?

lihaaza poori baat ko samajhne ki koshish karo ta keh usse woh faaida haasil ker sako jis ke liye ye sab kuchh kiya gayaa hai. For a detailed explanation of things about the quran, deen of islam and pakistan see HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE.

 

[Truthstands]

Haha???, Mr. Triggered.
Chor ko sub chor nazar aty hain.

Still triggered I see. I just asked you a simple question man.